Thanks guys. I appreciate the information.
Got another question... I never hear anyone talking about Steering Dampeners. Does the Duc get a wobble at higher speeds? Or is this just a better design?
I have noticed that my bike definitely prefers 4K over 3K, at any speed. This isn't going to eat my gas up and cause higher wear on the motor during in town riding?
alright I'm going to jack my own thread with a few newbie questions I would be too embarrassed to post as a thread...
1. How do you carry your key? I got a little detachable key thing... but I'm still afraid it's going to flop around and scratch the tank.
2. How does the Handling on the S4R change when you go 2up? It's seems like that front tire wants to come off the ground as it is.
3. I like the riding position but my hand hurts if I have to use the Clutch. My friend says that I need a 2'' riser. Thoughts?
4. I would like to remove the bikini fairing. anything to this? or is it just a couple of screws and your good to go? Wind pressure not going to mess with the gauges?
5. Anyone else get a vibration at 65 - 70 mph?
A search using the phrase "octane" might help. Also, I'm sure people with post up with their opinions in this thread as well.
I run 91, but I have hi-comp pistons. I ran 87 in my monsters before going to hi-comps. I started to write a "which octane" FAQ, but haven't finished it. Sorry. :-\ Here's what I've got so far:
Do not use 95 octane. 95 (specificied by the manual) is a Europen measurement. It converts to about 90-91 US. You can read about the different octane measurements here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating).
So, what should you use? There are two primary schools of thought.
1) Use 87 unless you get any pinging. Many--if not a majority--of monster owners use 87 as long as the bike operates fine. Lower octane will likely give you more power, and people report better gas mileage with lower octane. It's cheaper too. That said, high compression pistons will require higher octane.
2) Follow the manual, particularly if you have a higher compression engine. As explained above, the manual recommendation of 95 converts to about 90-91.
This thread (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=739.0) is an example of the ongoing debate/discussion about octane use.
As far as brand of gas, different people find that certain brands of gas work better on their bikes than others. Because of the different in gas composition depending on geography, there's no rule-of-thumb. Keep track of your mileage and note if you bike feels better or worse. If you get noticeably better performance or mileage with one brand of gas, stick with that.
European versus our measuring system for octane ratings. Running premium here will meet the recommended octane requirements you read about.
The bigger can of worms will be all the people who will now swamp this thread saying you don't need to/shouldn't run premium.
(my RS is happy on premium)
gas threads degenerate into pissing matches pretty quickly. run 91 and be happy. try something lower if you want to. If it knocks, pings, or throws you off, go back to 91.
European octane ratings and USA octane numbers are not quite the same. I'm sure someone else can do a more in depth analysis, but in a nutshell 91 octane in the USA is more than enough for your Duc.
I found this in a wiki for octane ratings. It kind of explains it:
In the US, octane ratings in unleaded fuels can vary between 86-87 AKI (91-92 RON) for regular, through 89-90 AKI (94-95 RON) for mid-grade (European Premium), up to 90-94 AKI (95-99 RON) for premium (European Super).
One thing I have heard from a few sources is that the bucking and stalling problem that the oxygen sensor equipped Ducatis some times suffer from is a result of using a gasoline blended with ethanol. You might want to try and search out some "real" gasoline for your Monster. I don't know what the deal is in the U.S. but I use premium here in Canada because it's the only grade that doesn't contain any ethanol (yet).
Quote from: Statler on September 08, 2008, 05:27:34 PM
gas threads degenerate into pissing matches pretty quickly. run 91 and be happy. try something lower if you want to. If it knocks, pings, or throws you off, go back to 91.
Isn't that the truth. Everyone has different opinions/knowledge on Octane and it is silly for it to get ugly.
I have always run hi octane on my bikes and just ignore others that say it isn't necessary. I just say, "you can't make me, you can't make me". And when they say I am wasting my money, I am happy to say, "It's my money!".
However, I am more than happy to run mid grade on my pickup, even though the owners manual says to run hi octane.
So, my advice to others when they ask me personally what to run in their bikes is to run hi octane. If they argue, I tell them to do whatever the want! :)
Quote from: Statler on September 08, 2008, 05:27:34 PM
European versus our measuring system for octane ratings. Running premium here will meet the recommended octane requirements you read about.
The bigger can of worms will be all the people who will now swamp this thread saying you don't need to/shouldn't run premium.
(my RS is happy on premium)
gas threads degenerate into pissing matches pretty quickly. run 91 and be happy. try something lower if you want to. If it knocks, pings, or throws you off, go back to 91.
...but I disagree.... ;D
use 87 if you bike does not have high comp pistons.
haha........
ok, so both camps have been heard from (high vs. low octane)
anyone wanna guess how many pages this will go?
IB4TL
[laugh]
use whatever you feel best using....
just avoid the ethanol like the bloody plague !!!!!!
Quote from: ducpainter on September 08, 2008, 06:06:56 PM
...but I disagree.... ;D
I disagree too!!
I just haven't decided what I disagree with.... ;D ;D ;D
I disagree with ALL OF YOU!!!
The octane you need depends on the kind of oil you run...
You ARE using the right oil ...right? [evil]
;D
The one on the left is 87 the right is 91
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3163/2840972565_e1fa21531c_o.jpg)
I thought that in owner's manual they quote a "original octane number" of 95. It seems they are specifying the Research Octane Number.....when you go to a gas station the octane of the gasoline in the average of the Research Octane Number (RON) and the Motor Octane number (MON). In Europe, I believe the grades are listed by the RON. For most gasoline blending components the MON is less than the RON.
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For clarity it is useful to provide a general overview of an octane number. An octane number is a quantitative, but imprecise measure of the maximum compression ratio at which a particular fuel can be utilized in an engine without some of the fuel /air mixture "knocking" or self igniting. This self ignition of the air/fuel mixture in the cylinder results in a loss of peak power. Directionally as the compression ratio of the engine increases so does the required octane number of the gasoline if engine knocking is to be avoided.
The performance of an engine is dependent upon many factors, one of which is the severity of operation. Accordingly the performance of a fuel is also dependent upon engine severity. To account for differences in the performance quality of a fuel two engine octane numbers are routinely used. Thc Research Octane Number (RON, or F1) simulates fuel performance under low severity engine operation. The Motor Octane Number (MON, or F2) simulates more severe operation that might be incurred at high speed or high load. In practice the octane of a gasoline is reported as the average of RON and MON or R+M/2.
Classically, both numbers are measured with a standardized single cylinder, variable compression ratio engine. For both RON and MON, the engine is operated at a constant speed (RPM's) and the compression ratio is increased until the onset of knocking. For RON engine speed is set at 600 rpm and MON is at 900 rpm.
Quote from: Le Pirate on September 08, 2008, 06:28:31 PM
just avoid the ethanol like the bloody plague !!!!!!
If only I could. The well intentioned government here in the People's Republik of Hawaii have seen fit to dictate that ALL fuels (well, maybe not diesel) will be blended with ethanol.
And on a slightly more informative note, I ran 87 in my S2R all the time and it ran great. Got significantly better milage that way too compared to when I used 92.
well crap! If it wasn't for all the good information I would say I was sorry I asked. Religion, politics, sex and what octane to run in a monster.
Any one have any clue why some people report better mpg with 87?
Quote from: Clickjack on September 08, 2008, 07:16:05 PM
Any one have any clue why some people report better mpg with 87?
Because they are liars. [evil]
Just kidding! ;)
I use 87. ;D
Quote from: Clickjack on September 08, 2008, 07:16:05 PM
<snip>
Any one have any clue why some people report better mpg with 87?
It has something to do with quantum physics...
or fluid dynamics...
or petro-chemical engineering.
I think.... ;D
You get more bang with 87. Lower octane means more boom. Higher octane is less combustible (which is why it is good for high compression motors. It prevents pre-detonation), but has less "oomph".
It's just like 87 proof v. 91 proof booze. 'cept that it's exactly opposite. So it's not like that at all. :-\ Feck.
I use to do yard work for people. I had a dieing Lawn mower and couldn't afford a new one. Somebody told me to run premium in it.... damn thing came back to life and was still running when I sold my contracts and move on to the next job.
Everything seems to run better on higher octane. Everything except my buddies 80-some odd 550 Secca. It runs like crap on anything but 87.
I was getting some occasional intermittent sputters in my bike running 87. I ran a tank of 93 through it before tearing everything apart to troubleshoot the issue and the issue "magically" went away. I'm running 89 now and so far, so good.
<engineer hat on>
The *only* difference between octanes are their resisitance to pre-ignition (pinging). They do not burn cleaner, longer, or have more power. NO difference whatsoever.
If you have a high compression motor, you most likely need a higher octane.
I do not know if it's true for the more modern bikes, however if you run a lower octane in a modern car that was set up for a *higher* octane, the little car computer will retard the timing of the motor. This will prevent pre-ignition. It also means you are not running are an optimal engine state, and are probably getting worse mileage.
Dependent on how refined our ducs are, this may also be the case. So as an FYI, a lack of ping does not necessarily mean you are running the proper octane.
A difference in mileage is most likely attributable to any number of other factors, however, the octane, should not be one of them (save for the timing retardation if it takes place).
</engineer hat off>
Quote from: someguy on September 09, 2008, 02:30:46 PM
<engineer hat on>
I do not know if it's true for the more modern bikes, however if you run a lower octane in a modern car that was set up for a *higher* octane, the little car computer will retard the timing of the motor. This will prevent pre-ignition. It also means you are not running are an optimal
</engineer hat off>
[laugh]
Ducati can't even make their bikes run right with an O2 sensor, or make a fuel gauge that works. What makes you think they could get the computer to prevent pinging? ;D
Quote from: someguy on September 09, 2008, 02:30:46 PM
the computer will retard the timing of the motor.
Crikeys.... I don't want my motor to retard... better use 11ty billion octance.
Quote from: Statler on September 08, 2008, 05:27:34 PM
(my RS is happy on premium)
As discussed at DIMBY, I and my burning eyes, still think you are a bit rich ;D
The reason octane matters is this:
In a high compression motor >12:1
too low of an octane will predetonate as mentioned which means that the explosion taking place inside the engine will occur before the piston is at TDC which means that the piston is actually being slowed as it travels up to TDC and then down through the stroke.
In a normal engine <12:1 (just about all engines which have not had internal work done.)
Too high an octane will cause the explosion to take place after the piston has reached TDC and is on it it's way down. Think of it as the explosion is taking place in a larger space and therefore more energy is transferred to the cylinder walls and less is transferred to the piston itself and down to the crankshaft.
gage
Quote from: someguy on September 09, 2008, 02:30:46 PM
<engineer hat on>
The *only* difference between octanes are their resisitance to pre-ignition (pinging). They do not burn cleaner, longer, or have more power. NO difference whatsoever.
</engineer hat off>
It is true that the measure of octane does not have a direct correlation to energy density and other factors but depending on the formulation used to achieve a certain octane there may be a difference between different grades of gasoline.
Quote from: gage on September 09, 2008, 03:36:22 PM
As discussed at DIMBY, I and my burning eyes, still think you are a bit rich ;D
what's a little unburnt gas out the back amongst freinds?
(as long as I'm not sweeper)
Quote from: Statler on September 09, 2008, 06:31:27 PM
what's a little unburnt gas out the back amongst freinds?
(as long as I'm not sweeper)
weren't you the one that broke down and we had to wait for? ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on September 09, 2008, 06:34:54 PM
weren't you the one that broke down and we had to wait for? ;D
I do believe you are right, I didn't realize he had broke down though [cheeky]
loose rearset bolt nothing to do with octane, you threadjackers.
Quote from: gage on September 09, 2008, 07:04:43 PM
I do believe you are right, I didn't realize he had broke down though [cheeky]
my laptimes are slow but not
that slow. :'(
Quote from: Statler on September 09, 2008, 07:06:30 PM
loose rearset bolt nothing to do with octane, you threadjackers.
are you sure of that? [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
I'll run 87 (and no loctite) at next DIMBY as an experiment.
smartass.
see...this is where gas threads go to die....I warned everyone.
I'm doing my part to kill it. ;)
Consider local state governemetn and their fuel additive. CA additives fvcked up my tuning.
eating beans will give you gas
alright I'm going to jack my own thread with a few newbie questions I would be too embarrassed to post as a thread...
1. How do you carry your key? I got a little detachable key thing... but I'm still afraid it's going to flop around and scratch the tank.
2. How does the Handling on the S4R change when you go 2up? It's seems like that front tire wants to come off the ground as it is.
3. I like the riding position but my hand hurts if I have to use the Clutch. My friend says that I need a 2'' riser. Thoughts?
4. I would like to remove the bikini fairing. anything to this? or is it just a couple of screws and your good to go? Wind pressure not going to mess with the gauges?
5. Anyone else get a vibration at 65 - 70 mph?
Quote from: Clickjack on September 09, 2008, 11:42:18 PM
alright I'm going to jack my own thread with a few newbie questions I would be too embarrassed to post as a thread...
1. How do you carry your key? I got a little detachable key thing... but I'm still afraid it's going to flop around and scratch the tank.
Pocket, no fob, due to scratch concerns. Often, I just forget it's there and leave it in the bike. This is not recommended.
2. How does the Handling on the S4R change when you go 2up? It's seems like that front tire wants to come off the ground as it is.
The front tire wants to come off the ground due to the massive amounts of torque it makes. ;D The handling isn't terrible with a passenger-I can still spank mine through the twisties just fine, except the cupcake in this case is all of a hundred pounds and an experienced rider. So, YMMV. FYI, if you blip the throttle *really* unexpectedly, you can basically throw your passenger off the back.
3. I like the riding position but my hand hurts if I have to use the Clutch. My friend says that I need a 2'' riser. Thoughts?
Is it just the clutch hand? If so, I'd guess it's not the position so much as the clutch handle which is stiff as all getout. We can elaborate on that one if that might be the case.
4. I would like to remove the bikini fairing. anything to this? or is it just a couple of screws and your good to go? Wind pressure not going to mess with the gauges?
Coupla screws and you're fine. The wind pressure won't bother the gauges, but depending on yer surface area, it may bother you. Believe or not, the wee fairing does do some shielding.
5. Anyone else get a vibration at 65 - 70 mph?
Typically, yes, but you'll find the bike is happiest at 80, minimum.
Thank you. I honestly expected to be made fun of, at least for the key question.
It's just my clutch hand. After riding a while, that wrist gets tired as well. But the hand, at the base of the thumb strait up hurts when i use the clutch. I use to get this with my old bike if I was stuck at light after light. But this is, instantaneous pain, that's taking away the pleasure of zipping around town.
Quote from: Clickjack on September 09, 2008, 11:58:01 PM
Thank you. I honestly expected to be made fun of, at least for the key question.
It's just my clutch hand. After riding a while, that wrist gets tired as well. But the hand, at the base of the thumb strait up hurts when i use the clutch. I use to get this with my old bike if I was stuck at light after light. But this is, instantaneous pain, that's taking away the pleasure of zipping around town.
I think it's the strain of using the clutch more than the position.
Couple of things you can do.
1) swap out the levers for something aftermarket and adjustable (CRG makes these, as does Pazzo), bringing the clutch in closer, making life easier or
2) replace the slave cylinder (yoyodyne makes these) which will give you a much easier pull.
another free potential fix: get your clutch lever rotated down and see if having a straighter angle in your wrist doesn't help a bit. This is more a cure for wrist pain on both sides, but it does give you a bit more leverage on the control.
Quote from: Statler on September 09, 2008, 07:06:30 PM
loose rearset bolt nothing to do with octane, you threadjackers.
yeh, stop clouding up all this new, important information
[laugh] [laugh]
I too think the adj. lever closer to the bar helps on the clutch.
The vibration in 6th gear is from too low rpm. The S4R/4V Ducatis don't like to run below 4000 rpm. They will do it, but if they could, they'd ask for the other 500 rpm. This is yet another reason a 14T front sprocket is so beneficial for making 6th gear good at 4000 rpm and 62 mph.
And so far as the gas goes? I enjoy hearing what everybody has to say on the subject, but I tend to rely on the FACTORY for reliable info on Ducati specifications. Like said 95 Euro number octane equals 4 or 5 less in US spec. numbers (R+M/2) = 90 or 91 octane. You can't hear the beginnings of incipient knock. At the point that you are hearing real knock you may already be doing some damage.
LA
Quote from: LA on September 10, 2008, 06:26:27 AM
And so far as the gas goes? I enjoy hearing what everybody has to say on the subject, but I tend to rely on the FACTORY for reliable info on Ducati specifications. Like said 95 Euro number octane equals 4 or 5 less in US spec. numbers (R+M/2) = 90 or 91 octane. You can't hear the beginnings of incipient knock. At the point that you are hearing real knock you may already be doing some damage.
LA
Threadjacker.
Ethenol causes my Taurus with 175,000 miles to lose about 4mpg ~
JM
Quote from: the_Journeyman on September 10, 2008, 07:15:25 AM
Ethenol causes my Taurus with 175,000 miles to lose about 4mpg ~
JM
Now if only we knew what made such an ancient heap continue to run! ;D [cheeky]
For the low low fee of $10, I'll take it out back and shoot it for you, putting it out of it's misery.
Quote from: someguy on September 10, 2008, 07:46:35 AM
Now if only we knew what made such an ancient heap continue to run! ;D [cheeky]
IT's probably connected to the think layer of grease/oil & road dust/grim caked on the underside of the motor. It's probably all that's holding it together [laugh]
JM
Thanks guys. I appreciate the information.
Got another question... I never hear anyone talking about Steering Dampeners. Does the Duc get a wobble at higher speeds? Or is this just a better design?
I have noticed that my bike definitely prefers 4K over 3K, at any speed. This isn't going to eat my gas up and cause higher wear on the motor during in town riding?
Quote from: Clickjack on September 10, 2008, 10:58:00 AM
Got another question... I never hear anyone talking about Steering Dampeners. Does the Duc get a wobble at higher speeds? Or is this just a better design?
I have noticed that my bike definitely prefers 4K over 3K, at any speed. This isn't going to eat my gas up and cause higher wear on the motor during in town riding?
Sorry, but pet peeve: damper, not dampener. Yes, Ducs can get wobbles at high speed, like any other bike. Many people choose to run a damper, particularly because the Duc is so tailheavy and it's easy to get headshake. Somewhere in Acc & Mods is a thread with a whole bunch of different damper options listed (along with pics). Personally, I think of a damper as necessary insurance, and put one on every one of my bikes, but that's just me.
4k over 3k isn't going to make a difference. It's actually better for the engine to rev higher than it is to lug it. 4k is not high revs, however.
Quote from: Spidey on September 10, 2008, 11:09:42 AM
Sorry, but pet peeve: damper, not dampener.
I typed Damper... but spell check didn't like it. I always assume Spell check is better at spelling then I am.
4k over 3k isn't going to make a difference. It's actually better for the engine to rev higher than it is to lug it. 4k is not high revs, however.
This is a reference to a previous reply. SO where do you run your bike? In town, abiding the speed limits, where are your RPMs?
I *generally* don't abide by speed limits in town cuz it's 25 most places. My revs tend to hang between 4-5.5k for in-city riding unless I'm riding like an idiot, which is common. There's a thread about "shift points" further down the forum that might be worth reading. Everyone is different and a lot of it depends on your riding style and what make you comfortable.
Quote from: Spidey on September 10, 2008, 11:32:08 AM
Everyone is different and a lot of it depends on your riding style and what make you comfortable.
I enjoy going fast... but I try to abide the speed limits in town. Can't afford speeding tickets on a couple different levels. Cash and career wise.
Quote from: Clickjack on September 10, 2008, 11:17:40 AM
This is a reference to a previous reply. SO where do you run your bike? In town, abiding the speed limits, where are your RPMs?
my bike (and i) both prefer to hang in the 5-6k range whenever possible
although i will let her spin down in the 4k range when i feel like i should be quieter.... [thumbsup]
Quote from: herm on September 10, 2008, 12:31:33 PM
i will let her spin down in the 4k range when i feel like i should be quieter.... [thumbsup]
I'm running stock pipes until I can save for a full Termi kit (Could be a while). How loud are these bikes with out the baffles? I like loud. But I don't wanna wear ear plugs, and literally let someone two miles away know I started my bike.
Quote from: Clickjack on September 10, 2008, 01:17:49 PM
I'm running stock pipes until I can save for a full Termi kit (Could be a while). How loud are these bikes with out the baffles? I like loud. But I don't wanna wear ear plugs, and literally let someone two miles away know I started my bike.
You should be wearing earplugs anyways-the wind noise *will* make you deaf.
Typically this only applies to highway speeds, but once one gets used to them, they're nice for local jaunts, too.
Quote from: Spidey on September 08, 2008, 05:22:41 PM
I run 91...
...
As far as brand of gas, different people find that certain brands of gas work better on their bikes than others. Because of the different in gas composition depending on geography, there's no rule-of-thumb. Keep track of your mileage and note if you bike feels better or worse. If you get noticeably better performance or mileage with one brand of gas, stick with that.
Since we're in the middle of the largest hand over of wealth in human history, that is giving it all up for the Arabs,
Might be interesting for you to know which oil companies are the best to buy gas from and which major companies
import Middle Eastern oil.
These companies import Middle Eastern oil:
Shell..................... ... 205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco.... ..... 144,332,000 barrels
Exxon/Mobil...... ......... 130,082,000 barrels
Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels
Amoco............................62,231,000 barrels
Citgo gas is from South America , from a Dictator who hates Americans.
Here are some large companies that do NOT import Middle Eastern oil:
Sunoco..................0 barrels
Conoco..................0 barrels
Sinclair..................0 barrels
BP/Phillips.............0 barrels
Hess.................... ..0 barrels
ARC0.....................0 barrels
All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and each is required to state where they get their oil and how much
they are importing.
Otherwise you can help them continue building this Dubai (http://images.google.com/images?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=dubai&um=1&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&resnum=1&ct=title)
Interesting how only the names which import oil from the mid-east are present here in the PRH.
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 10, 2008, 02:14:51 PM
Interesting how only the names which import oil from the mid-east are present here in the PRH.
PRH? --- peoples republic of hawaii?
reminds me of the peoples republic of boulder [laugh]
Not too sure of the politics involved in this one but Arco is the only gas station I have access to near my house on that list. Can anyone make a shortlist of companies that don't mix their gas with ethanol in CA? I'd like to know that.
Quite frankly, I care how my bike runs, but at the end of the day I'm not going to lose sleep over gas. I've used 89 and 91 so far, I don't notice a difference at all. Maybe if I broke out a calculator, but at about 10 bucks per tank fill, about once a week unless i ride a lot I'm not complaining too much. It's when I have to take my $80 a tank car that I used to be able to fill for $40 that I feel like throwing up a little. Good job I never drive.
alright I'm going to jack my own thread with a few newbie questions I would be too embarrassed to post as a thread...
1. How do you carry your key? - I carry a key clip and detach it so it's just the key in the bike when I ride.
2. How does the Handling on the S4R change when you go 2up? - I don't like to change gearing unless it's on a track bike and even then I can do without it.
3. I like the riding position but my hand hurts if I have to use the Clutch. - The clutch on a lot of Ducs is tough as a bastard to pull, use neutral a lot, it'll prolong the life of your clutch anyway. If it's really too painful see a physician, could be some tendonitis.
4. I would like to remove the bikini fairing. - I don't know, but good on you, it looks horrible if you ask me.
5. Anyone else get a vibration at 65 - 70 mph? - Select your gear appropriately and keep it above 5 on the freeway if you can. Same in town, it was already stated but it's better to rev high than low. Your bike will thank you for it.
Quote from: herm on September 10, 2008, 02:33:17 PM
PRH? --- peoples republic of hawaii?
Very close my good sir. It's the People's Republik of Hawaii. It's all in the spelling you see. ;)
Quote from: VeryMetal on September 10, 2008, 02:33:40 PM
2. How does the Handling on the S4R change when you go 2up? - I don't like to change gearing unless it's on a track bike and even then I can do without it.
I think he meant him in a passenger, not changing the gearing....
Quote from: Desmostro on September 10, 2008, 01:42:58 PM
Citgo gas is from South America , from a Dictator who hates Americans.
Except Hugo Chavez isn't a dictator, he's a popularly elected president who has faced recall elections that the international community has certified as free and fair. He also faced a short-lived CIA backed coup in 2002, but overcame that without a civil war as the PEOPLE backed him and the MILITARY backed their constitution.
Chavez "hates" America so much that he's tried to send subsidized heating oil to places like Boston for America's poor. He's got an axe to grind against the Bush administration, no question, but to say he "hates America" is sadly misinformed and more than a little xenophobic. I sincerely hate the Bush administration, but I don't hate America at all. A lot of my friends are Americans.
If you all want to discuss world petroleum politics we have a section for it...
this isn't it.
Thanks.
My gas makes the cat leave the room.
So... I got this idea that I was going to take off the Bikini fairing on my 07 S4R....
I look at it and it looks like it is attached at four places. Two screws through the fairing, and then it looks like it is held on by a couple bolts at the back of the blinkers... if that makes since.
Anyone done this? Wanna give me some pointers on how to take it off? Or even get at the bolts on the back of the blinkers?
I really appreciate all the help. I realize I have basically turned this thread into my personal Monster support line...
Well i would assume all the bikini fairings are the same and when i put mine on there were only 2 bolts and then it had hooks sort of that just slid on. But it was pain to get wrenches in there to tighten the 2 bolts and i took off the windscreen to do it. So you might want to try taking off the windscreen first to try to get to the 2 bolts.
Quote from: Clickjack on September 10, 2008, 11:27:39 PM
So... I got this idea that I was going to take off the Bikini fairing on my 07 S4R....
I look at it and it looks like it is attached at four places. Two screws through the fairing, and then it looks like it is held on by a couple bolts at the back of the blinkers... if that makes since.
Anyone done this? Wanna give me some pointers on how to take it off? Or even get at the bolts on the back of the blinkers?
I really appreciate all the help. I realize I have basically turned this thread into my personal Monster support line...
Where ya located?
Quote from: invinc3ib3 on September 10, 2008, 11:30:38 PM
Well i would assume all the bikini fairings are the same and when i put mine on there were only 2 bolts and then it had hooks sort of that just slid on. But it was pain to get wrenches in there to tighten the 2 bolts and i took off the windscreen to do it. So you might want to try taking off the windscreen first to try to get to the 2 bolts.
+1
I busted up my knuckles tryin to get mine off. But IIRC, its two bolts and then the hooks.
1. How do you carry your key?
- I carry my keys on a locking carribeaner (D-ring) hooked to my belt loop which has three benefits; keeps they keys from stabbing me in my leg through my pocket, keeps them securely attached to me, and it's easy to remove the keyring i want to use at any given moment (Home, car, bike, work)
Quote from: someguy on September 10, 2008, 06:27:30 PM
I think he meant him in a passenger, not changing the gearing....
;D Thanks Someguy - there's just so much talk of that I was just on the wrong wavelength. That made me laugh.
as per this thread, i filled up some 87 instead of my routine 93 like on every other bike and monster.
didnt notice any difference in power or anything, still got most of the gas in there so im not sure about better gas mileage as of yet.
Quote from: Desmostro on September 10, 2008, 01:42:58 PM
Since we're in the middle of the largest hand over of wealth in human history, that is giving it all up for the Arabs,
Might be interesting for you to know which oil companies are the best to buy gas from and which major companies
import Middle Eastern oil.
These companies import Middle Eastern oil:
Shell..................... ... 205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco.... ..... 144,332,000 barrels
Exxon/Mobil...... ......... 130,082,000 barrels
Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels
Amoco............................62,231,000 barrels
Citgo gas is from South America , from a Dictator who hates Americans.
Here are some large companies that do NOT import Middle Eastern oil:
Sunoco..................0 barrels
Conoco..................0 barrels
Sinclair..................0 barrels
BP/Phillips.............0 barrels
Hess.................... ..0 barrels
ARC0.....................0 barrels
All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and each is required to state where they get their oil and how much
they are importing.
Otherwise you can help them continue building this Dubai (http://images.google.com/images?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=dubai&um=1&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&resnum=1&ct=title)
That list is not accurate - or uses out dated information.
It should be noted that gasoline is a fungible commodity and companies "swap" gasoline on a routine basis. When the nearest Shell refinery is 1,000 miles away do you really think the local Shell station got their gasoline from that refinery? Nope, they bought it from the closest whole saler and it could have been made in an Exxon or BP refinery.