I'm just abøut to hit 2000km's on my m695 and the stay below 7k rpm ban is lifted according to the manual. Just wondering when you guys are riding around, how far do you rev the engine before shifting. Both general everyday riding and sportier riding.
Thanks,
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It kinda depends on the gearing and the type of riding and the engine type. On my m1000 in town, I tend to shift at around 5-5.5K unless I'm being a make the beast with two backstard (which is a lot of the time ;D). In the twisties, it's closer to 6.5 or 7 unless I'm really running it up. Those are just the natural shift points for my bike with my current gearing. On my 620 with a 14 tooth sprocket, my shift points were about the same, cept that I might have run it up a bit more on the high end when in the twisties.
I rode an '04 S4r (I think with stock gearing) this last weekend. I found myself running it up about about 1k higher before shifting (between 7.5-8k) The liquid cooled 4V engine makes more power up on top and likes to run higher up in the range.
find the rev limiter so you know where it is....
then shift anywhere before it that feels most comfortable to you.
some days for me it's 11K
some days for me it's 8.
etc.etc.
I tend to shift between 6 and 7, It seems as if the bike likes it there so that's what I do. Sometimes when we go up the mountain I go a little over but the majority of my riding stays between 6 and 7. ( 2007 695 with 14 tooth sprocket) [thumbsup]
I just shift where it feels natural [thumbsup]
The best place to shift is anywhere from 4,000-redline. 8k for me since i have a twovalver
the max hp for the 696 hits at 9k according to the book and i assume redline about 800 after that. is it the same for the 695?
check out your HP/tq charts and use that as a guide.
If I'm riding the S4Rs in an agressive style, I shift at somewhere around 7,500 RPMS in the tight spots so that I am still on the power curve in the next up gear ,or if I am on straighter road I take it to more like 10,000 RPMs before I shift up.
If I'm riding my 1098 R on the same roads, I don't need nearly as many RPMs as the S4Rs. In the tight spots I may shift at 5,500 RPMs up and w/ the huge amount of Torque at low RPMs ,I have plenty of power for curves at 5,500 RPMs ,coming out at the beginning of the apex of the curve I will roll on the throttle and if I have more curves to negotiate I will repeat the previous process usually letting of the gas w/ a little pull of the front brake ,down shift ,lean ,turn,roll on the throttle and the bike will straighten up and if I have a straightaway of at least 1/2 mile I will (now that I have it broken in ) run up to 8,000 RPMs and shift up, then it's time to brake , down shift , and setup for the next turn or if there are more straights I will cruise around 100 mph in 6th gear.
When I get above 7,000 RPMs or speeds over 100 I am concentrating so much on the road and my surroundings that often I won't take my eyes off the road to see my RPMs or my speed.
Too much can happen in a split second while my eyes are not focused on the road or what is going on around me to chance glancing away from the road.
I have to feel comfortable w/ my speed so that if something unexpected happens it's not a Survival Response but a correct response to the situation where I can deal w/ it in such a way as to not make a bad situation worse and work myself through it in a calm rational way. Dolph
Quote from: Raux on September 08, 2008, 08:40:04 PM
the max hp for the 696 hits at 9k according to the book and i assume redline about 800 after that.
I have an 05 S2R800 and that sounds about right. I didn't actually mean to hit it the first time, but the subsequent times that I've run her really high I've made it up to around 9 when I shifted (but that's only when I'm really on it). I think it's just a case of feeling. You're going to get better gas mileage at lower rpms (around town I hover from 3-almost 4 if I'm just cruising) and you're going to get a ton more pull from 5-6 and up. If you run too low, your bike will tell you in the form of sputters and a lack of balls. If you run too high.....well, it's your gas money, not to mention I feel like my bike is a lot more touchy at the higher revs so I tend to keep it low key in town. Your bike knows what it's doing. Ride enough and she'll tell you.
After babying my monster for about 1,000 miles I decided to push her limits a bit and got her up to about 8K on 2nd gear going a bit above 60mph. At that RPM what I noticed was significant vibrations and my no-muffler exhaust was loud as heck. Now my question is this: If you don't need to gun it and hence need the extra power that you get at higher RPMs, why on earth would you run the bike at such high RPMs when it's 1. uncomfortable due to vibrations 2. eats up gas and 3. more unstable? To qualify #3 a bit more, if you have the bike in high RPM it seemed to me the throttle feedback was much greater, necessitating much more precise control. For example, if I am in 2nd gear at 8K RPM and engine break due to some reason the bike is gonna abruptly slow down, as opposed to if I do that at 5K RPM it'll slow down much less abruptly.
Any thoughts? Then again, I'm a complete noob and would appreciate any corrections to my impressions/thoughts.
If you dump the throttle at 8K, engine braking could cause the rear to lock for a second. You have to be smooth on the throttle. My 750 is VERY abrupt, so I have to be gentle with my throttle inputs or Molly get angry and tries to buck me off ~
JM
Just around town 5-5.5 . On a side note on the freeway i am usually cruising at 5.5-6.5 between 70mph-85mph
14t front
Quote from: corpthug on September 11, 2008, 11:01:18 AM
Now my question is this: If you don't need to gun it and hence need the extra power that you get at higher RPMs, why on earth would you run the bike at such high RPMs when it's 1. uncomfortable due to vibrations 2. eats up gas and 3. more unstable?
1 - Because it gives me the tinglies
2 - I didn't buy the bike to save on gas. Not entirely anyway (Do you buy a Porsche for the mileage?)
and 3 - It is a bit more touchy yeah, but that's where your power band will give you the most umph.
Like I said, around town I run pretty low rpms just to save gas and avoid getting ticketed for being a moron on the throttle (because that NEVER happens). But if I wanna make my neck strain a bit, there's gonna be some throttle involved and THAT is the fun in having a sportbike.
Quote from: Jarvicious on September 11, 2008, 12:31:02 PM
1 - Because it gives me the tinglies
2 - I didn't buy the bike to save on gas. Not entirely anyway (Do you buy a Porsche for the mileage?)
and 3 - It is a bit more touchy yeah, but that's where your power band will give you the most umph.
Like I said, around town I run pretty low rpms just to save gas and avoid getting ticketed for being a moron on the throttle (because that NEVER happens). But if I wanna make my neck strain a bit, there's gonna be some throttle involved and THAT is the fun in having a sportbike.
I guess I can understand your point. A big part of the fun of riding is yanking the throttle and letting her rip every once in a while. But technically, if you were going on 2nd gear at 6K RPMs (so around 50mph) and you gunned it to 8K RPM would you feel more power than if you were to gun it on 3rd gear at 50mph at a lower RPM? I can prob find this out later by actually trying but don't think I'll be able to ride before Saturday.
Quote from: corpthug on September 11, 2008, 12:45:18 PM
I guess I can understand your point. A big part of the fun of riding is yanking the throttle and letting her rip every once in a while. But technically, if you were going on 2nd gear at 6K RPMs (so around 50mph) and you gunned it to 8K RPM would you feel more power than if you were to gun it on 3rd gear at 50mph at a lower RPM? I can prob find this out later by actually trying but don't think I'll be able to ride before Saturday.
Yes, you'd feel less pull in a higher gear.
Then again, one of the things i like about my bike is that even when i gun it, i never feel like the bike is going to pull itself out from under me.