Didn't ride last week due to weather concerns, went racing go carts instead. This weekend I'd actually like to go out.
As with my last posting, this ride will be OPEN CALL. All skills levels are welcome to join in.
S.O.P. applies.
Wear your gear!!
Who's in?
IN-
-me
I`m in. My bike should be back any day now, so I`m anxious to get back on it. It`s been gone for a few weeks now. GC let me know the details if there are any yet, departure time, etc. [moto]
Quote from: mookieo2 on October 01, 2008, 09:33:55 AM
I`m in. My bike should be back any day now, so I`m anxious to get back on it. It`s been gone for a few weeks now. GC let me know the details if there are any yet, departure time, etc. [moto]
Mook - no solid plans yet but I'll let you know the details once they're set.
IN-
- me
- Mook
I should be in. I have a wedding on Saturday, so I'll be unable to get my tires put on (again [bang] )
If my solo trip idea falls through I'd like to tag along. I'm a noob that just got his license [beer]
Quote from: corpthug on October 01, 2008, 10:56:10 AM
If my solo trip idea falls through I'd like to tag along. I'm a noob that just got his license [beer]
Cool, you're welcome to come along but to be fair (and so I have clear conscience)...
Speed limits will be obeyed EVERYWHERE, unless we're on a back road, in the twistys, or I think it's ok to be breaking the law. In these situations, the pace can get very fast but I'll wait at appropriate intersections or junctions for the group to reform. The roads themselves will be fairly technical so remember to look where you want your bike to go and make sure that you DO NOT ride above your skill level trying to play catch up.
Full gear - while it's not required, it's highly recommended. The route isn't set yet but it'll be long, expect to get home late. Lastly, for the convenience of everyone, no "maybes", you're either "in", or in the way [cheeky]. That being said...
100% IN-
- me
- Mook
- Cru
I'm probably in.. depending on what gear I can get a hold of ;)
Quote from: patricks2r on October 01, 2008, 02:00:58 PM
I'm probably in.. depending on what gear I can get a hold of ;)
The forecast for the area/s we'll be riding is calling for sunny skies with high's in the low to mid 60°'s during the day and down to the mid 40°'s after sunset...
I believe I'll be breaking out the teddybear outfit™ for this ride. For those that don't have a teddybear outfit™, I'd suggest bringing extra layers and maybe even a warm pair of gloves!
Pat, as you probably already know, I have a ton of gear that you're welcome to borrow but it might be a bit loose on your skinny hipster ass though [cheeky].
i got some gear if you need pat, just gimme the word my doot
Quote from: patricks2r on October 01, 2008, 02:00:58 PM
I'm probably in.. depending on what gear I can get a hold of ;)
Pat - I'll wear my teddy bear outfit, so you're welcome to my leathers if you'd like.
Bump.
100% IN -
- me
- Mook
- Cru
- Pat
Beattie were you at?!
Anybody else?
I'm in for this Sunday. [moto]
Quote from: rcpete on October 02, 2008, 08:50:56 AM
I'm in for this Sunday. [moto]
[thumbsup]
IN -
- me
- Mook
- Cru
- Pat
- Pete
Got my bike back today. So I`m ready. Guess I`ll be the one you`ll be waiting for on this ride, not too far behind I hope.
I can't go anywhere, my weekend is screwed. Have a good time. [thumbsup]
Quote from: Pakhan on October 03, 2008, 04:20:59 PM
I can't go anywhere, my weekend is screwed. Have a good time. [thumbsup]
:(
I can't wait for the ride report on this one...
Quote from: tommys67 on October 05, 2008, 06:44:24 PM
I can't wait for the ride report on this one...
I had one written but it was too morbid and too self loathing, you guys don't need to see that. Instead I'll let the pics do the talking -
Incident #1
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Incident #2
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No animals or humans were injured in the making of the photos thanks to wearing proper riding gear. All the US's wear gear from head to toe including CE level 2 back protectors in addition to the stock back protectors in our jackets. Yes it's bulky, yes it's uncomfortable, yes it's hot but you know what? Guardrails and trees hurt. You're a fool if you wear anything less than full gear when out riding, plain and simple and I mean no offense to anyone.
I'm glad you're ok Mookie.
At this point in time I have decided to stop posting up for rides here in the NYMMC. This includes open calls and otherwise. People keep on crashing on these rides and I need to figure out what I can do or not do to help this situation. Hopefully sometime in the near future I can start posting up for rides again but until I wrap my head around this phenomenon, I'm done, you all are safer this way (not that I feel the boys and I ride dangerously cause we don't).
If you all remember the following, you will be much healthier and happier -
- wear your gear
- DO NOT ride over and above your skill level
- DO NOT over and above your comfort zone
- DO NOT try to play catch up with the riders in front of you
- listen to your instincts
- follow rule #1 according to the Usual Suspects - "Just because you
can, doesn't mean you
should." This of course goes hand in hand with our other motto - The Usual Suspects - clever? Yes! Common sense? Not so much.
Oh no...
Mook - glad to hear you're OK personally.
The bike... :'(
Damn! Glad you are OK, Mookie.
OMG
Good to know mookie is fine
that looks really bad
I cannot see the pics!
Damn work filters
Glad to hear you are OK Mook
Glad your ok mook, hit me up if you need to bro hang in there
Mook hope everything's alright with you.
Glad you're ok
"bikes are replaceable life is not"
take it easy for now
thank guys. sorry if I was the straw that broke the camels back. the pace wasn't bad when I fell gc. I was a little out of it after the whole soccer mom trying to run pat off the road for passing her. came into theturn to hot, add a little water, a quick glance at the woods, and u know the rest. 1st time not too bad. lost a peg borrowed one from the rear. should of listened to GC but thought I would be fine. second time came in too hot into a 15 miler, went a little wide and hit the dirt. should of been able to handle that one. I've practiced those w/a knee down numerous times at that speed. head wasn't in to it.
as of now I guess im out for the season. I am fine thanks to full gear and good people.more upset about GC and how he is fealing. my new tank is unrepairable. I didn't even get to go a whole day w/her looking as good as she did. I was so happy in the morning about it and was looking forward to this ride for a while.I always say I can never have anything nice w/out it getting ruined.
I'm going to do some more formal instruction next season, as I was going to do track day next week. I think it will let me progress properly. I can't really pay to fix her now going to check insurance. tank,midpipe,muffler may total it.
I think about how many of us went down this year and came out w/out a scratch. lucky so far. also of all the times I got hurt doing other sports. the concussions from snowboarding, how many times I went over the bars raceing mtn bikes, pulling a ligament surfing, 15 stitches in my face and another head injury dowhill skateboarding li's biggest hills.almost capsizing my boat fishing moriches inlet which I know very well. those were all learning experiences and this was one too. hope there aren't any more.
thanks GC for taking me out. sorry if I ruined your rep. see you at the kart track.
(written from cell forgive grammar)
First and foremost Mooks glad to hear you are OK.
GoldenChild, I feel as if you can't stop posting rides. This forum is set-up for people to be able to meet with and ride with new people who have the same bike, interests, etc. That said people gotta accept responsibility for their own actions, it's not your fault that shit went down. But for the forward progress of this site, NYMMC, and the US's you gotta post up rides. People gotta rid at their own limits. Anyway, I don't know what went on out there. But thank God everyone is alright.
Hey Mookie--
I was where you are very recently. All I can tell you is please don't be too hard on yourself, and instead figure out what you need to learn from this. My crash a few weeks ago was a very valuable reminder that I'm a VERY new rider and I need a couple more years and a lot more good habits under my belt before I do the kind of riding I was doing. It was entirely my fault, and it happened because my confidence was getting bigger than my skills.
GC, unless Mookie or someone else contradicts me, this was NOT your fault. To everyone else, go back and reread GC's warnings. You all know this stuff, and I'm not trying to make anyone quit riding (like my dad is trying to make me). However, what we are doing is dangerous, and it's pretty fortunate that none of us have gotten more seriously hurt.
Ride within your abilities! When I get back on a bike, I'm self-imposing what I'm calling an 80% limiter. If I notice that I'm getting anywhere near my limits, I'll back off. If I'm surprising myself with how well or fast I'm riding, I'll back off. Notice that I say "surprising myself." Riding well is the goal, of course, but if I'm suddenly feeling better than I've ever felt on the bike, that's when the ego kicks in and I start feeling like I can do anything...
Wear your gear! I slid about 30 feet on asphalt and gravel, and hit a guardrail post instead of going over a cliff. I was going 30MPH at most! I don't think it was even that fast, probably more like 25. I was wearing my brand new Arai helmet and my trusty Teknic stormtrooper suit. The helmet has a nickel-size scrape, and may still be usable. The suit has a scuff on the sleeve and a gouge on the shoulder slider. Neither is very noticeable. I stood up (after being told not to by about five people) with a bruise on my elbow that went away after three days. Can you imagine what I would have looked like in jeans and a t-shirt? Again, this is at roughly 25mph. I would have been missing (by my rough estimate) about two square feet of skin and an ear. Did my gear cost me some money? Hell yes! About $1500 for the outfit I was wearing that day. Am I glad I paid that? Sho' you right!
I'm sorry for threadjacking, Mookie, but this is stuff that's been on my mind for a few weeks and it seemed like a good time to write it up. I'm glad to hear you're OK physically, and I hope you're doing OK mentally too... that took me a little longer. Don't sweat it too much, just know what you need to know, you know?
Diz
Mook... I'm just glad you're OK. You gave me 2 heart attacks yesterday! It's such a bad feeling to see your buddy sliding off the road.. and those seconds when you're turning around, hoping everything is ok. The bike parts are replaceable, you're not.
And not to worry, the day wasn't a bust. After throwing down some delicious pancakes & bacon, we went out to catch some more daylight and hit some of our favorite roads.
Cru... +1 for letting me borrow your gear yesterday [as most of mine is in Oregon].
- maybe I should have worn underwear, now I have a crazy rash on my business... is there something you need to tell me?
Just kidding... I really missed riding with you guys ;)
Quote from: patricks2r on October 06, 2008, 06:53:34 AMCru... +1 for letting me borrow your gear yesterday [as most of mine is in Oregon].
- maybe I should have worn underwear, now I have a crazy rash on my business... is there something you need to tell me?
Mookie - Sorry to see you go down yesterday. The important thing, of course, is that you're ok. What was also amazing is that you're bike was still rideable after the second crash. :o
Pat - You'd better not be free-balling in my leathers! You gots to wear undies, son!
GC - Muchas gracias amigo for leading yet again. Also, I can understand you feeling a sense of responsibility regarding the recent surge of get-offs (I know I would too), but you've got to remind yourself that you give many warnings, both posted on the DMF & pre-ride and that people are responsible for their actions.
Oh, I've got some vid of the ride to post up, but after spending 4 hrs trying to figure out how the FLIP video made my Movie Maker stop working, I didn't get the vid editted until 3.00AM. I tried to upload it, but it timed out at 95%. I'll try again later & post up the link.
Pat glad to see you are back
I'm glad you're ok Mookie.
dizzle, I think you hit the nail on the head
Quote from: dizzle on October 06, 2008, 06:14:26 AM
it happened because my confidence was getting bigger than my skills.
*damn, there's more I want to write but I need to go get my car inspected (expired sept 30) ..... bbl
Mookie glad your OK. As already said before, don't be too hard on yourself. Just take it easy and comfortable. It's all part of riding.
GC as said before too, don't be too hard on YOURSELF. This is dangerous fun, bottom line. People will dump and it's ridiculous to hold yourself responsible every time, I understand why you do though. If you need to take a breather from posting rides to collect yourself I can understand that, but to cancel altogether because of this makes no sense.
I`m not being hard on myself. I`m fine. Gonna get back next season w/ a new whip. Like I said, I`m going to pursue some more professional lessons. I am a very technical person and like to learn that way. I think a few track days w/ instruction from the pros will help. Dizzle got it right, overconfidence is not good.
I feal worse for GC as I know he takes it personally. It wasn`t his fault and shouldn`t stop posting rides. Take a break from it maybe but not to end it. I think he and the U.S. are a main staple of this board and I look forward to hearng about there adventures( even if they aren`t posted for outsiders to join) I had my family over the other day and was showing them tommy`s videos on youtube through my apple tv. That`s how much i lkie hearing about there travels.
Quote from: CountGreffi on October 06, 2008, 06:09:40 AM
GoldenChild, I feel as if you can't stop posting rides. This forum is set-up for people to be able to meet with and ride with new people who have the same bike, interests, etc. That said people gotta accept responsibility for their own actions, it's not your fault that shit went down. But for the forward progress of this site, NYMMC, and the US's you gotta post up rides. People gotta rid at their own limits.
+1
For now fishing season is underway my adrenaline fix will be coming from a big striper on my line and some winter surfing. Nothing like big winter barrels in the freezing rain.
When we going karting?
Rocky point closes the 31st GC if you wanna go let me know.
Well well well, I for one am VERY HAPPY to see all the recent activity on this board lately, especially since the season is winding down.. keep it up folks as it does my heart good.
Here's the thing - I've spent some time doing some self evaluation as a rider and as a ride leader, I had this long manifesto written out but I decided against posting it up for my own reasons. I also wanted to spare you all the headache of reading it all. Instead, I'll post up the important points -
- My standards of safety and my levels of comfort are very different than most of yours. I will push myself to my limits and I will try to push the bike to it's limits. I don't do this on every ride, in fact, it's rare that I do it at all but it does happen. Given these facts, you all need to know that you should not try to follow me. Not because your riding ability may be different than mine, not because you feel like you should. You shouldn't follow me because my brain lacks the all important "self preservation" component. In a nutshell, there it is.
- When leading a group I care a lot about everyone behind me and I feel like everyone's safety is my responsibility but what it really comes down to is that everyone needs to be responsible for themselves as there's only so much I can do. I can warn you not to follow me, I can warn you about certain sections of road but when we're in the heat of the moment, one's first intention is to keep up and not get dropped by the rider in front of them. This is when folks start riding over their head and beyond their abilities which brings me to the conundrum - knowing that this will inevitably happen, what's my responsibility in all of it? Is it my fault for going at what I would call a "fun" pace, or is it the individual's fault for not recognizing their limits? Personally, I think it's both which is why I'm being hard on myself.
What this basically means has already been said - recognize your personal limits and stay within them. Allow me the pleasure and honor of leading you, but for cripes sake, don't try to follow. In a nutshell, there it is.
I'd really HATE to have to stop posting up for rides since I love riding with new people and sharing the same experiences. This is how the US's "found" each other, through this forum and through these rides and when I see the look on people's faces after a fun road, it really does means a lot to me. If people can wear their gear, stay within their skill and comfort level, AND have a shit ton of fun riding their motorcycles with a bunch of friends, then we can make this happen.
Quote from: goldenchild on October 06, 2008, 12:12:57 PM
Well well well, I for one am VERY HAPPY to see all the recent activity on this board lately, especially since the season is winding down.. keep it up folks as it does my heart good.
Here's the thing - I've spent some time doing some self evaluation as a rider and as a ride leader, I had this long manifesto written out but I decided against posting it up for my own reasons. I also wanted to spare you all the headache of reading it all. Instead, I'll post up the important points -
- My standards of safety and my levels of comfort are very different than most of yours. I will push myself to my limits and I will try to push the bike to it's limits. I don't do this on every ride, in fact, it's rare that I do it at all but it does happen. Given these facts, you all need to know that you should not try to follow me. Not because your riding ability may be different than mine, not because you feel like you should. You shouldn't follow me because my brain lacks the all important "self preservation" component. In a nutshell, there it is.
- When leading a group I care a lot about everyone behind me and I feel like everyone's safety is my responsibility but what it really comes down to is that everyone needs to be responsible for themselves as there's only so much I can do. I can warn you not to follow me, I can warn you about certain sections of road but when we're in the heat of the moment, one's first intention is to keep up and not get dropped by the rider in front of them. This is when folks start riding over their head and beyond their abilities which brings me to the conundrum - knowing that this will inevitably happen, what's my responsibility in all of it? Is it my fault for going at what I would call a "fun" pace, or is it the individual's fault for not recognizing their limits? Personally, I think it's both which is why I'm being hard on myself.
What this basically means has already been said - recognize your personal limits and stay within them. Allow me the pleasure and honor of leading you, but for cripes sake, don't try to follow. In a nutshell, there it is.
I'd really HATE to have to stop posting up for rides since I love riding with new people and sharing the same experiences. This is how the US's "found" each other, through this forum and through these rides and when I see the look on people's faces after a fun road, it really does means a lot to me. If people can wear their gear, stay within their skill and comfort level, AND have a shit ton of fun riding their motorcycles with a bunch of friends, then we can make this happen.
In a Nutshell, well said [thumbsup]
Quote from: GLantern on October 06, 2008, 12:36:39 PM
In a Nutshell, well said [thumbsup]
[laugh]
+1 Couldn't have said that better.
Quote from: goldenchild on October 06, 2008, 12:12:57 PM
Is it my fault for going at what I would call a "fun" pace, or..............
NO, it's not your fault, as we all know you will wait for everyone at the end of the road or next turnoff, so no one is being left behind.
GC, I appreciate that you acknowledge that you don't have that "self-preservation" mode. This is something that I have to struggle with every time I ride on the track. I'm going to speak for myself here, but as a female I think I have had a lot of fear instilled in me, I think it's a mix of nurture and nature. I think males don't have that same level of fear that I have. Personally I think it's genetic and remnants of our ancient ways of life (males being the hunters (which can usually be life threatening), and the women being the gatherers, a relatively safe activity). My problem I've been having as late are mental. Every time I get out on the track, I've been riding worse and worse. I feel like I've taken TOO many classes and have had soo much instruction, if this makes any sense?, that my head is filled with soo much shit, I don't feel relaxed anymore. I have 2 trackdays this coming weekend, and I'm hoping I can get over this mental hump. :-\ But I feel like what's always holding me back is fear, I think I need a psychologist lol. (BTW Lee Parks is the only one that I've seen write about this.)
Also, earlier you've posted that (your) group rides aren't testosterone fests, but it happens naturally, to no fault of any one person. You start to feel that well if the rider in front of me can take that turn that fast, I can do it to. Unfortunately sometimes you don't have the same skill to follow the rider in front of you, but at the same time, it's confidence inspiring and helps you become a better rider as well. And so there's a catch-22 there.
Thanks for your insightful words IG, they're a big help and I appreciate it :).
Mook, hope you're certainly feeling better after yesterday, I know your back got banged up and all...
As promised...a little video for your enjoyment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUkxuKqt5r4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUkxuKqt5r4)
Quote from: goldenchild on October 06, 2008, 04:37:19 PM
Thanks for your insightful words IG, they're a big help and I appreciate it :).
Mook, hope you're certainly feeling better after yesterday, I know your back got banged up and all...
I`m ok, a little sore. Went to the Dr. just in case. I may have bruised a kidney. They said it should heal in a few days. Getting sonogram tomorrow to double check. Going to look into a back protector w/ kidney belt for next time. Gotta fight w/ the Gf to keep riding. She didn`t want me to have the bike in the first place and hated everytime I went on it. It took me three years to get because everytime I got close someone would get hurt on the corner or in the newspaper. Just going to let it blow over and wait till next season. Video looks cool. At least you guys still got to ride a little after i bailed. It was the ride home of shame. It was pretty obvious what happened to me if you saw me on the highway, Bike all banged up and me covered w/ dirt on one side w/ a scratched helmet. I`m ok and looking forward to next season.
Quote from: mookieo2 on October 06, 2008, 08:10:27 PM
Going to look into a back protector.
http://www.newenough.com/armor/back_protector_worn_on_the_body/joe_rocket/speedmaster_motorcycle_back_protector.html (http://www.newenough.com/armor/back_protector_worn_on_the_body/joe_rocket/speedmaster_motorcycle_back_protector.html)
http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myProducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=953|T-PRO%20Body%20Armor%20Collection&productID=3887&showDetail=1&categoryID=954|Back%20%26%20Chest%20Protectors&vendoridtodisplay=0&filterFor=&collection=953|T-PRO%20Body%20Armor%20Collection (http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myProducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=953%7CT-PRO%20Body%20Armor%20Collection&productID=3887&showDetail=1&categoryID=954%7CBack%20%26%20Chest%20Protectors&vendoridtodisplay=0&filterFor=&collection=953%7CT-PRO%20Body%20Armor%20Collection)
These are the two i'm looking at they are both CE2 rated and have been getting great reviews. Glad everything so far checks out alright. Next season Mook when your ready again i'm ready. If you want to pickup something to ride in the winter ill be there too [thumbsup] In the meantime how about some snowboarding?
Quote from: GLantern on October 06, 2008, 08:16:08 PM
These are the two i'm looking at...
I use the Joe Rocket one, it's the same one as the Tpro and I'm also pretty sure it's may even be made by them for JR. Dizz uses the same one. Pak and Pete both use the Tpro also. While it can get pretty hot during the summer (what doesn't) after a few minutes of wearing it I literally forget it's there. Cru and Pat use a level 2 protector from A* and over the course of the day it tends to creep out of place making it uncomfortable. My 2¢.
Quote from: goldenchild on October 06, 2008, 08:46:22 PM
I use the Joe Rocket one, it's the same one as the Tpro and I'm also pretty sure it's may even be made by them for JR. Dizz uses the same one. Pak and Pete both use the Tpro also. While it can get pretty hot during the summer (what doesn't) after a few minutes of wearing it I literally forget it's there. Cru and Pat use a level 2 protector from A* and over the course of the day it tends to creep out of place making it uncomfortable. My 2¢.
I'd go with the T-Pro/Joe Rocket. Like GC just mentioned the A* is very rigid & the waist strap continually moves up my chest as the day goes on. It's bearable, but a PITA.
Cool vid btw Cru, I like your misshift near the end of the video. Shame we didn't get to film the rest roads.
Quote from: goldenchild on October 06, 2008, 08:53:06 PM
Cool vid btw Cru, I like your misshift near the end of the video. Shame we didn't get to film the rest roads.
Yeah, that was a funny misshift actually...I felt like a squid trying to pop a wheelie down Flatbush only to make a mess of it. [laugh] Sometimes I forget that clutch-less upshifts actually require a little bit of effort between 1st & 2nd. :-[
Next time out I'll make sure I actually have fresh batteries in the camera, so as to get more than just 20 minutes of riding.
The thing I don't like about the Joe Rocket back protector is that the belt feels too low compared with the rest of it. This makes the protector gradually slide up my back until it settles about 2 or 3" higher than I'd want it--it doesn't cover my tailbone. Also when it does this, the top end gets in the way of my neck/helmet. On one of my last rides I hacked off the top two inches and while it's now comfortable, I still wish it did more for my lower spine.
That video is awesome for me because I'm so used to hearing GC's bike in Cru's videos. Your bike sounds loud again, son! [laugh]
Mike sorry to hear about your crash...
Quote from: dizzle on October 07, 2008, 08:05:40 AMThat video is awesome for me because I'm so used to hearing GC's bike in Cru's videos. Your bike sounds loud again, son! [laugh]
Yeah, to think my bike was the loudest last winter. [laugh] We didn't even know what loud was.
Quote from: Cru Jones on October 07, 2008, 08:45:31 AM
Yeah, to think my bike was the loudest last winter. [laugh] We didn't even know what loud was.
Don't hate!
+1 to the TPro. I like how flexible it is and seems to be reviewed as the best protection out there. The Joe Rocket protector from what I've heard/ seen seems to be identical. Make sure you get the right size protector, TPro offers various sizes depending on your build. Sometimes mine will ride up but usually only if I didn't put it on right.
http://johnsonleather.com/armor_main.htm (http://johnsonleather.com/armor_main.htm)
As requested by Mookie...
random and not so random pics from this particular ride...
Cutie
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An empty 5th Ave
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'nother cutie
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Fools
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more O'keefe.(http://i431.photobucket.com/albums/qq37/redblackmonster/IMG_0629.jpg)
moonrise over PJ
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