So I need to move two bikes. I could rent a trailer, but a one way 500 mile charge is pretty high.
Anybody have a safe way to strap down a 1098 and a Monster in a Ford F150?
Quote from: ducducgooseme on October 14, 2008, 07:01:55 AM
So I need to move two bikes. I could rent a trailer, but a one way 500 mile charge is pretty high.
Anybody have a safe way to strap down a 1098 and a Monster in a Ford F150?
I've loaded a variation of bikes on my '07 Tundra. 2 SBK, SBK & Monster, 2 Monsters, and it's doable albeit it's a tight squeeze. Having the positional sliding side rails really helps with tie down points. I would recommend wheel chocks. You don't have to spring for the $$ condor or baxley either. Some people use the cheapo bolt down type on a board that fits snugly in the width of the truck bed.
I fit a 695 and 848 in the back of my Tacoma, it was a tight squeeze.
I have a couple of those harbor frieght wheel chocks mounted up to help with loading.
Quote from: ducducgooseme on October 14, 2008, 07:01:55 AM
So I need to move two bikes. I could rent a trailer, but a one way 500 mile charge is pretty high.
Anybody have a safe way to strap down a 1098 and a Monster in a Ford F150?
we put T-bird and Shadowchaser's monsters in a 4x8 trailer it worked
and then Krolik and I put our monsters in the same trailer
should be the same size as the bed of a pickup
Rameses and jobu put there bikes in the back of a Tacoma from the looks of the M-roc thread in General
do you tie the two bikes together at all? how do you actually deal with the middle...ie...where the bikes are next each other? doesnt seem to have room for strapping them
Quote from: Mother on October 14, 2008, 08:50:43 AM
Rameses and jobu put there bikes in the back of a Tacoma from the looks of the M-roc thread in General
They fit a Hyper and a monster in the truck without any issues. The bikes weren't tied together but very securely individually strapped down to this contraption that Rameses made. I'd PM him and get some tips.
Two bikes in the back of a F150? Easy. Load the SBK first all the way to one side or the other. You should be able to completely strap it in, then load the monster, releasing and moving the strap from the SBK that's in the way, as you move the Monster into place. Just take it slow, and have help to hold the bikes as you get it all dialed in. Some moving blankets between the swingarms would be a good idea. After both bikes are in you need to inspect each strap to insure it's not touching anything on either bike that will get damaged as the strap rubs the bike on the drive.
Quote from: ducducgooseme on October 14, 2008, 08:52:25 AM
do you tie the two bikes together at all? how do you actually deal with the middle...ie...where the bikes are next each other? doesnt seem to have room for strapping them
Having the adjustable/positional sliding side rails really helps with tie down points. If you just have the bottom corners of the truck bed you may have to find other tie down points to make it work. Again, wheel chocks are really helpful.
Keeping the bikes apart depends on where you have tie down points. I like to wrap a tie down through the rear wheel and over the top of the tire and pull the bike to one side. Make sure you wrap it around a part of the wheel so that the tie-down won't slide down or loosen. Then I do the same with the bike on the other side. It keeps the rear wheel in the bed and stops the bikes from banging into one another. It also leaves space in between the bikes.
When they're loaded, they look a bit a bit pigeon-toed in the truck --> / \ Moving blankets are a good idea too.
I wouldn't tie them to one another. If you want, you can run a second tie down to the rear of each bike, pulling from the opposite direction. You often have to run this tie-down through the wheel of the other bike and to a rear or rear/side tie down point.
If you're going to be hauling bikes on a regular basis, get a bed-buddy.
I've hauled 2 monsters in the bed of my Dakota with one.
I've had both my 1098 and the monster in the bed of my shortbed nissan frontier lot-o-times
an f150 should be easy smeazy
more details please BP!!
I was thinking of making some anchor points on a sheet of plywood (eyelets). what do you think? Bikes on the plywood and strapped to it and the outsides of the bikes strapped to the truck outsides as well.
we had my monster and a sprint st in the back of a tacoma
the tacoma needed to be modded out slightly with a steel rail attached across the front top edge of the bed
the steel rail was longer and overhung the bed by 8 inches on both sides
holes were drilled into the steel rail on each end
no wheel chocks were used, which would have been easier...
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Very nice! Id sooo rather not have to drill holes in my truck for this. hmmmm
I am thinking a little redneck engineering with a plywood base with eyelets might work. I could spend the cash and get some baxley chocks too i guess
Here's the best pic I could find of my setup - 08 Tacoma Longbed
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3274/2548709931_cf8c75e9c9.jpg?v=0)
I have 2 wheel chocks at the front of the bed and I added D-Rings to the bed as well for the straps. The chocks are mounted to a 2" X 10" . I offset the chock sby about 6-8" to avoid any handlebar clearances.
Quote from: ducducgooseme on October 14, 2008, 01:17:39 PM
Very nice! Id sooo rather not have to drill holes in my truck for this. hmmmm
I am thinking a little redneck engineering with a plywood base with eyelets might work. I could spend the cash and get some baxley chocks too i guess
I'd recommend at least a 2x4 or a 4x4 for the eyelets to attach to, plywood's gonna be a bit flimsy.
Quote from: ducducgooseme on October 14, 2008, 01:17:39 PM
Very nice! Id sooo rather not have to drill holes in my truck for this. hmmmm
I am thinking a little redneck engineering with a plywood base with eyelets might work. I could spend the cash and get some baxley chocks too i guess
That's basically what Rameses and I used. Rameses built it.
It is a piece of plywood cut to the shape of the bed with with two 2x6's across it for support (one in the front, one in the back) and mounting of the eye bolts. The front 2x6 is screwed down and has four eye bolts bolted through it for the tie downs. The rear 2x6 is just screwed down and only for bracing.
The front 2x6 setup: 2 eye bolts on the far ends are used to tie down the outside of the bikes. Also, a strap is used between the bike and the tie down point on the bed which keeps the bikes or the platform from moving independently of the truck.
Then there are two eye bolts in the middle of the 2x6 between the bikes. The eye bolts are positioned very close to wheels of the bikes to make sure the angle is sufficient. The straps are crossed in the middle so that the tie-down for the bike on the right goes to the eye bolt on the left and vice-versa.
A strap was also used to tie the bikes together by wrapping it around the inside fork of each bike. This was more of a safety strap in case something cut loose. It really isn't neccessary and doesn't need to be very cranked down much.
We also ran a tie down through the rear wheels of the bikes but it really wasn't nessecary. This was the second time we had used the setup and haven't had a problem. However, we did add a small 2x6 piece to the the outside of the front tires to keep them from moving laterally (on the trip to Indy, we didn't have this and my bike might have moved a little), but with the 2x6 beside the tire, it didn't move at all. A wheel chock would be even better and I would actually recommend it. You can also zip tie the front brake lever.
You could probably get away with less straps and less material than we used, but we don't like to take chances and tend to over engineer everything. With this setup, the bikes aren't going any where.
Shoot Rameses a PM for clarification if needed.
I should also add that we hooked/wrapped the straps around the fork above the bottom triple. We didn't tie them to the bars. The triple gives a much more sturdy point and much better angle.
You guys rock!! perfect description!
Pictures to follow when I am done.
This is what I use...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/aprilmaybe/track%20days/tn_IMG_0852.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/aprilmaybe/track%20days/tn_IMG_0850.jpg)
Those are the best pictures I have on this computer, I might have better at home.
It was specifically built to use in a cargo van but a friend has used it in the back of his Ranger.
Its a solid slab of wood with 2 Harbor Freight Chocks mounted on it, plus a bunch of heavyweight D ring tie-down points.
So, how much do the monsters on the 2x6 slide around since those boards aren't attached to the bottom of the van?
Do they stay put due to the weight of the bikes?
Quote from: MTBryan on October 16, 2008, 11:00:42 AM
So, how much do the monsters on the 2x6 slide around since those boards aren't attached to the bottom of the van?
Do they stay put due to the weight of the bikes?
In my set up the bikes don't slide at all. The piece of wood has a rubber mat on the bottom which helps keep it in place but mainly the whole chock set up is strapped to the van both front and back. That plus the weight of the bikes keeps it pretty stable.
Thanks for the quick reply.
I just got a wheel chock that I want to install in the back of my '05 Taco (Tacoma). I've always just used straps, but sometimes the wheel shifts, and I've dumped a bike or two over the years because when the wheel turns, the tie downs go slack and the bike falls over on it's side. OK for a dirt bike, but not good for a street bike.
But I hate to permanently install the wheel chock since I often use the bed of my truck for other things.
I might try a solution like yours so it is easy to take out when I am done transporting the Foggy.
Man, how did we all get by before the internet? :)
Quote from: MTBryan on October 16, 2008, 12:59:14 PM
Thanks for the quick reply.
I just got a wheel chock that I want to install in the back of my '05 Taco (Tacoma). I've always just used straps, but sometimes the wheel shifts, and I've dumped a bike or two over the years because when the wheel turns, the tie downs go slack and the bike falls over on it's side. OK for a dirt bike, but not good for a street bike.
But I hate to permanently install the wheel chock since I often use the bed of my truck for other things.
I might try a solution like yours so it is easy to take out when I am done transporting the Foggy.
Man, how did we all get by before the internet? :)
Rameses used a Tacoma to haul the bikes. He might be able to help too.
Quote from: MTBryan on October 16, 2008, 12:59:14 PM
Thanks for the quick reply.
I just got a wheel chock that I want to install in the back of my '05 Taco (Tacoma). I've always just used straps, but sometimes the wheel shifts, and I've dumped a bike or two over the years because when the wheel turns, the tie downs go slack and the bike falls over on it's side. OK for a dirt bike, but not good for a street bike.
But I hate to permanently install the wheel chock since I often use the bed of my truck for other things.
I might try a solution like yours so it is easy to take out when I am done transporting the Foggy.
Man, how did we all get by before the internet? :)
i use a baxley sport chock in my '06 tacoma.
Quote from: derby on October 16, 2008, 01:57:42 PM
i use a baxley sport chock in my '06 tacoma.
Hey Derby can you fit 2 baxleys side by side in the tacoma bed?
Quote from: bryant8 on October 16, 2008, 02:04:34 PM
Hey Derby can you fit 2 baxleys side by side in the tacoma bed?
no problem.
the only problem w/ the tacomas is the stock tiedown points on the floor: there are none in the front.
you can easily mount some d-rings and you'll be good to go.
for a single bike, tying to the cleats on the rails is enough to stabilize the bike.
I mounted some rather large tie down points on the front wheel wells, right towards the front wall of the bed. They seem to be holding pretty well. I can't believe Toyota put such nice tie downs in the BACK of that truck. What a bunch of dummies!
I really don't trust the adjustable tie down on the rails. They seem very flimsy. They say they are rated for 200 pounds, but there is so much flex, I just don't see that happening and I don't want to take any chances.
Anyone else worry when they read this topic? I was thinking it really should have been 2ducs1truck or something.
Quote from: MTBryan on October 16, 2008, 02:16:14 PM
I mounted some rather large tie down points on the front wheel wells, right towards the front wall of the bed. They seem to be holding pretty well. I can't believe Toyota put such nice tie downs in the BACK of that truck. What a bunch of dummies!
many people just move the back ones to the front.
Quote from: MTBryan on October 16, 2008, 02:16:14 PM
I really don't trust the adjustable tie down on the rails. They seem very flimsy. They say they are rated for 200 pounds, but there is so much flex, I just don't see that happening and I don't want to take any chances.
well, the baxley locks closed, so you're really only using the tiedowns to stabilize the bike and hold it forward in the chock.
Quote from: derby on October 16, 2008, 02:11:37 PM
no problem.
the only problem w/ the tacomas is the stock tiedown points on the floor: there are none in the front.
you can easily mount some d-rings and you'll be good to go.
for a single bike, tying to the cleats on the rails is enough to stabilize the bike.
I've added 3 D-rings to the front of the bed on my Tacoma. They work great! I have 5 D-rings and the 4 sliding cleats for tiedown points. Great versitility !
Now I have an excuse to go get a baxley [thumbsup]
Quote from: derby on October 16, 2008, 02:41:10 PM
many people just move the back ones to the front.
You know, I tried that. I have the star wrench tool to fit that rear tie-down bolt. But I just couldn't free it. I sprayed WD-40 on it, beat it with a hammer, but it wouldn't budge. Ended up stripping out one of them. AHHHHHH! And it made me mad I even had to go through that.
Quote from: derby on October 16, 2008, 02:41:10 PM
well, the baxley locks closed, so you're really only using the tiedowns to stabilize the bike and hold it forward in the chock.
Yes, good point. I don't trust them when just using tie-downs. But with the wheel chock, they only have to keep it from rocking and keep it from going backwards, out the back of my truck. That would suck! (and that rhymes).
Just lay them ontop of each other, might have to go horizontally per this shot...
(http://www.motoliam.com/photos/2-thumb.jpg)