this guy's got em..........apologies if this has been posted already
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KycZk1M7g24 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KycZk1M7g24)
Yes, it's been posted, but it's fun to watch again. He actually looks like he is having a blast.
Insane!
First time I saw it
Quote from: MTBryan on October 24, 2008, 03:27:06 PM
Yes, it's been posted, but it's fun to watch again. He actually looks like he is having a blast.
Yeah he looks like he is enjoying the entire ride... Bring it on... More rain [thumbsup]
As Rossi would say, "FAK!" [laugh]
I'm sure he does have brass ones, and there probably permanently spot welded to that tank!
Been there - done that [moto]
NOT
I agree Kiyo has a couple of big ones, but he also has traction control.
Why does Bayliss crash twice under similar conditions? No traction control.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zibxeVb2j5I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zibxeVb2j5I)
pause it at 1:11 crazy tread pattern!
Quote from: He Man on October 24, 2008, 06:54:48 PM
pause it at 1:11 crazy tread pattern!
Looks like hand-cut slicks :o
I think I just had an uninterrupted cremaster response for 3 1/2 minutes...
First thing that came to my mind....Only a motocross rider can ride like that.
Quote from: JohnnyDucati on October 24, 2008, 05:54:37 PM
I agree Kiyo has a couple of big ones, but he also has traction control.
Why does Bayliss crash twice under similar conditions? No traction control.
those conditions are hardly similar. kiyo's qualifying lap was in wet, but not raining, conditions. and he DID crash a lap or two after this.
that bayliss race was a torrential downpour. he crashed 3 times that race, iirc.
Quote from: derby on October 24, 2008, 09:55:52 PM
those conditions are hardly similar. kiyo's qualifying lap was in wet, but not raining, conditions. and he DID crash a lap or two after this.
that bayliss race was a torrential downpour. he crashed 3 times that race, iirc.
Nope- no downpour. I was at that race in May '02. It had been raining all morning. The race was delayed for quite a while as we sat in the bleachers, expecting the race to be called off any minute. Finally, the rain stopped and the race was given the go ahead, and the track actually started to dry off, but there was still plenty of standing water. What you see in the '02 video is the spray from the bikes. I got some great photos from my old 35mm Canon that I need to digitally scan.
I wasn't at the Kiyo time trial at Donington, but that video gave me serious deja vu back to the Silverstone race.
I'm sure that Kiyo dude is a great rider, but my point is that traction control must play a huge role in being able to perform like that in the wet. Not even Bayliss (or Edwards) could ride like that sans electronic TC, based on the race I saw in person. The riding that Kiyo is doing just doesn't look . . . unassisted. Just my .02.
best regards,
John
Quote from: JohnnyDucati on October 24, 2008, 10:38:18 PM
Nope- no downpour. I was at that race in May '02. It had been raining all morning. The race was delayed for quite a while as we sat in the bleachers, expecting the race to be called off any minute. Finally, the rain stopped and the race was given the go ahead, and the track actually started to dry off, but there was still plenty of standing water. What you see in the '02 video is the spray from the bikes. I got some great photos from my old 35mm Canon that I need to digitally scan.
i must've rememberd that race wrong... there is significantly more standing water on the track, though.
Quote from: JohnnyDucati on October 24, 2008, 10:38:18 PM
I wasn't at the Kiyo time trial at Donington, but that video gave me serious deja vu back to the Silverstone race.
I'm sure that Kiyo dude is a great rider, but my point is that traction control must play a huge role in being able to perform like that in the wet. Not even Bayliss (or Edwards) could ride like that sans electronic TC, based on the race I saw in person. The riding that Kiyo is doing just doesn't look . . . unassisted. Just my .02.
kiyo does have traction control, but he also raced BSB prior to this year. he's had a
lot of experience racing in the rain. ;D
Bayliss is one of my favorite riders but I dont think that particular crash on the clip was due to the lack of traction control as it looked to be the front that let go.. I dont believe traction control can do anything about losing traction during braking or if the front loses traction...
Quote from: MAXdB on October 30, 2008, 10:20:24 PM
Bayliss is one of my favorite riders but I dont think that particular crash on the clip was due to the lack of traction control as it looked to be the front that let go.. I dont believe traction control can do anything about losing traction during braking or if the front loses traction...
Then what the hell is traction control for ???
Quote from: He Man on October 30, 2008, 11:37:53 PM
Then what the hell is traction control for ???
Correct me if I'm wrong but i believe traction control only controls the amount of power the bike allows to go to the rear.. so pretty much to prevent the rear from losing traction basically on acceleration.
http://superbikeplanet.com/2008/Nov/081121a.htm (http://superbikeplanet.com/2008/Nov/081121a.htm)
Q Did you turn the traction control down, or was it set high for the rain?
At this point, Kiyonari stopped giggling, and really focused on getting his point across. He wanted to impart in no uncertain terms that his incredible machine control was entirely down to the rider, NOT the electronics on the bike. He put his thumb and forefinger perhaps a 1/2 inch apart, and replied:
A .....just a little bit.
The Kiyo clip conjures up images of Supermoto racing... [laugh]
That would feel just soooo satisfying.......but being a mere mortal.....I guess I will never experience that feeling.
IMHO he didn't overcook the front brake (like Bayliss did). Amazing feel and control as far as I can see.
I loved this quote at the end of the news article.
QuoteBut in these days of debate over traction control, rider aids and electronics, he got his point across, through all the giggles and language barriers, about that one Superpole lap:
That was all me out there; not the damned gadgets.
Not that he's biased or anything. ;D
Quote from: deweey on October 24, 2008, 09:20:08 PM
First thing that came to my mind....Only a motocross rider can ride like that.
+1 dude definitely learned in the dirt. [thumbsup]
Quote from: derby on November 21, 2008, 10:19:40 AM
http://superbikeplanet.com/2008/Nov/081121a.htm (http://superbikeplanet.com/2008/Nov/081121a.htm)
Q Did you turn the traction control down, or was it set high for the rain?
At this point, Kiyonari stopped giggling, and really focused on getting his point across. He wanted to impart in no uncertain terms that his incredible machine control was entirely down to the rider, NOT the electronics on the bike. He put his thumb and forefinger perhaps a 1/2 inch apart, and replied:
A .....just a little bit.
Well, well. It's been established that the bike does have traction control. Who woulda thunk it?
What setting was it on at Donnington that day? None of us will never know (only Kiyo and his pit crew will).
Human nature (and racer ego?) being what it is, I'm not surprised that Kiyonari said that it was on "just a little bit" or not at all. I don't buy that. That's some major eau de BS wafting around.
Of course Kiyo's going to down play the role of TC and say it was all him and his studly super duper riding powers. IMO, that journalist needs to go back and review his Skepticism 101 class notes from journo school. ;D
Quote from: deweey on October 24, 2008, 09:20:08 PM
First thing that came to my mind....Only a motocross rider can ride like that.
No, more like a flat-track rider. Flat track is all about control.
Quote from: JohnnyDucati on November 22, 2008, 10:02:02 PM
Well, well. It's been established that the bike does have traction control. Who woulda thunk it?
i don't think that was ever in dispute...
Quote from: derby on October 24, 2008, 10:42:11 PM
kiyo does have traction control, but he also raced BSB prior to this year. he's had a lot of experience racing in the rain. ;D