I'm thinking of cutting, selling or simply replacing my exhaust and here is what I have in mind http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myproducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=660|Ducati%20Exhaust&productID=4688&showDetail=1&categoryID=671|Monster%20Exhaust&vendoridtodisplay=0&filterFor=&collection=168|European%20Motorcycle%20Parts
Can anyone vouch for the power, scavanging or anything other than sound? Offer up any suggestions you may have to alternatives to please. I love the open look on the single-sided arm. And yes I do have the Power Commander III and it's tuned for the Termis that are on it right now.
Thanks.
i've only heard good things about the ex-box, but have yet to even see it in person. everyone seems to be happy with it though...and it sounds killer from the clips i've heard.
Quote from: ♣ McKraut ♣ on November 12, 2008, 01:19:57 PM
i've only heard good things about the ex-box, but have yet to even see it in person. everyone seems to be happy with it though...and it sounds killer from the clips i've heard.
heard the same and have been all over youtube. They do sound great but I would love to have it in my face before making the final decision.
Aren't the 2006 models closed loop systems with an O2 sensor?
If I recall, the ECU will undo the PCIII map
Quote from: bryant8 on November 12, 2008, 04:55:47 PM
Aren't the 2006 models closed loop systems with an O2 sensor?
If I recall, the ECU will undo the PCIII map
that's a language I don't understand. I bought the bike with Termi's and PC III already installed and had it dyno tuned. Are you saying the stock ECU disallows this setup?
I think what he is saying is that your Ex-Box muffler bearings are not compatible with the PCIII's framastat and H2O sensor therefore you're screwed. [bang] [laugh]
Quote from: fastwin on November 12, 2008, 08:38:19 PM
I think what he is saying is that your Ex-Box muffler bearings are not compatible with the PCIII's framastat and H2O sensor therefore you're screwed. [bang] [laugh]
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so sell the PCIII and lose the performance kick for the cool exhaust? Gotta be something else right?
What you need to do is to create a tachyon pulse with the main deflector array.
look! I'm helping!
I can't remember if there was actually a "Full Termi" kit for the S2R.
If I recall correctly,the closed loop system means that the bike has an O2 sensor that "sniffs" the exhaust from the header pipe and adjusts the A/F ratio. If you don't have the DP ECU (which eliminates the sensor) or a measure to fool the sensor (unplug/FatDuc plug/etc) , the ECU will adjust the trim on the A/F to null the effect of a piggyback map such as a PC3.
On my 848 for example, the Full Termignoni kit included the cans, collector midpipes, headers, airfilter, DP ECU, and a null O2 sensor harness. The O2 sensor is removed from the equation and the map on the ECU was tuned for my bike at AMS.
I could be completely wrong but this is what I remember from hours of reading on TOB and here. My 2005 M620 was an open loops system and it didn't have an O2 sensor, a PC3 would plug up no problem had I bought one.
Don't just take my word on this subject. Do a good amount of research and you'll find a solution to your liking.
There's a thread dedicated to the Closed Loop bikes
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=655.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=655.0)
Quote from: fastwin on November 12, 2008, 08:38:19 PM
I think what he is saying is that your Ex-Box muffler bearings are not compatible with the PCIII's framastat and H2O sensor therefore you're screwed. [bang] [laugh]
Well there's that, but I'm sure we ALL know the effects of the brownian motion coupling and its isomolecular cohesiveness as it pertains to said subsystems. (http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0017.gif)
Quote from: The Svoloch on November 12, 2008, 08:43:34 PM
What you need to do is to create a tachyon pulse with the main deflector array.
look! I'm helping!
[laugh]
just what the doctor ordered.
now, are you making lunch on Friday?
Just check your horizontal cylinder header for sensor plug. If you have one it's a closed loop ECU, if not open loop. Call Motowheels and they'll be able to help you with your order. [thumbsup]
Oh and yeah, check your flux capacitor. Since you have a S2R it'll be a wet flux capacitor [laugh]
Quote from: bryant8 on November 12, 2008, 08:46:46 PM
I can't remember if there was actually a "Full Termi" kit for the S2R.
If I recall correctly,the closed loop system means that the bike has an O2 sensor that "sniffs" the exhaust from the header pipe and adjusts the A/F ratio. If you don't have the DP ECU (which eliminates the sensor) or a measure to fool the sensor (unplug/FatDuc plug/etc) , the ECU will adjust the trim on the A/F to null the effect of a piggyback map such as a PC3.
On my 848 for example, the Full Termignoni kit included the cans, collector midpipes, headers, airfilter, DP ECU, and a null O2 sensor harness. The O2 sensor is removed from the equation and the map on the ECU was tuned for my bike at AMS.
I could be completely wrong but this is what I remember from hours of reading on TOB and here. My 2005 M620 was an open loops system and it didn't have an O2 sensor, a PC3 would plug up no problem had I bought one.
the spark arrester and Termi's are what's on....no cow utter. Is this what you mean? I don't see an O2 sensor.....wait, let me go check (just love an excuse to look at my toys).
Quote from: bryant8 on November 12, 2008, 09:02:16 PM
Just check your horizontal cylinder header for sensor plug. If you have one it's a closed loop ECU, if not open loop. Call Motowheels and they'll be able to help you with your order. [thumbsup]
Oh and yeah, check your flux capacitor. Since you have a S2R it'll be a wet flux capacitor [laugh]
sensor plug would be on the top behind the oil cooler right? if so, I have one. CRAP [bang]
Looks like a spark plug going into your exhaust header? Then yes you do. Read up on that close loop ECU thread and get FHE from other that have dealt w/ that ECU system
Quote from: bryant8 on November 12, 2008, 09:12:09 PM
Looks like a spark plug going into your exhaust header? Then yes you do. Read up on that close loop ECU thread and get FHE from other that have dealt w/ that ECU system
nothing is ever easy. study study study.
thanks Bryant
No worries, I'd hate for you to buy an exhaust system just to find that it wasn't what you thought would work well w/ your bike. [thumbsup]
Quote from: bryant8 on November 12, 2008, 09:26:46 PM
No worries, I'd hate for you to buy an exhaust system just to find that it wasn't what you thought would work well w/ your bike. [thumbsup]
interesting response from the ECU forum you sent me to, here it is:
"if you have a PCIII working, you can just fiddle with the PCIII when you install the exbox. You cant ever say that a map will work for a certain setup until you do it. It may run great, it may not. Either way, if you have PCIII working with out issues, you should be able to get a dyno tune if your termi map doesnt run right with the exbox."
Now if my PCIII runs well and I have no issues with my bike other than better performance how can I spend $1k on exhaust that is non-returnable???? Now I'll be up all night
That's the big "if".
Are theses guys unplugging the O2 sensor? I remember that Doug had his S2R1k's unplugged and it was running better since he had the Staintunes on it.
Just FYI AMS won't tune your bike if you have a PC3 installed. Jeff doesn't like them and won't work on it. I asked him when I had my M620.
Call Martin over at Motowheels and ask him about your options.
there are *always* people on here looking for an exbox system. so worst-case scenario, if it doesn't work out, you just knock a few dollars off, and sell it to someone on here as good as new condition.
Quote from: bryant8 on November 13, 2008, 05:55:04 AM
That's the big "if".
Are theses guys unplugging the O2 sensor? I remember that Doug had his S2R1k's unplugged and it was running better since he had the Staintunes on it.
Just FYI AMS won't tune your bike if you have a PC3 installed. Jeff doesn't like them and won't work on it. I asked him when I had my M620.
Call Martin over at Motowheels and ask him about your options.
Now I'm curious why he doesn't like them. No matter, I have my guy in McKinney who does a great job on this.
Thanks.
Jim Sabin of sabin performance in dallas also works on them regularly and gets good feedback...he worked on my S2R800 a couple years back. very cool to do business with, he didn't even want me to pay full price because he felt like he was taking too long to set up the maps.
So when does the new exhaust hit your front porch? I'd like to check out the install of it. I hear it used to be a pain in the ass, but that was about 3 years back.
Quote from: bryant8 on November 13, 2008, 07:29:30 PM
So when does the new exhaust hit your front porch? I'd like to check out the install of it. I hear it used to be a pain in the ass, but that was about 3 years back.
not sure just yet. my buddy came over who owns and S2 and helped me chop my tail. everything I do turns into a nightmare. the blinkers now hit the cowl...yes I kept the stockers for now. anyway, if he buys my setup then before Christmas if they are in stock.