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This does it. I was putting off on an 848 for a 1098, but now...
Seems like a lot of money just to make a bike into something you want.
Quote from: wbeck257 on November 25, 2008, 09:29:16 AM
Seems like a lot of money just to make a bike into something you want.
Considering a slipper is already 1000, 500 more doesn't seem like that big a deal. I already have a literbike and I've been wanting a middleweight for a while. It seems like an awesome option...
Quote from: wbeck257 on November 25, 2008, 09:29:16 AM
Seems like a lot of money just to make a bike into something you want.
I agree - with the current price spread between a 1098 and an 848 being only $1500 or $2000 it would seem a better bargain to just go with the 1098, especially as custom parts are almost a write off when you go to sell the bike.
an 848 with some mods I wanted versus a stock 1098 would be a tough choice for me for equal cash. Hell you know you'd be changing some things on the 1098 anyway.
I'm not in a position to question anyone else's modification/dollar value.
Now why can't they make kits like that for other wet clutch bikes. I know they would sell.
Quote from: SA_S2R on November 25, 2008, 09:44:48 AM
I agree - with the current price spread between a 1098 and an 848 being only $1500 or $2000 it would seem a better bargain to just go with the 1098, especially as custom parts are almost a write off when you go to sell the bike.
Call me crazy, but for personal use, I would take the 848 over the 1098 anyday, add a slipper, and it justs seals the deal even further.
Go for it! [evil] [thumbsup]
That's pretty cool. [thumbsup] I'll keep my wet clutch though. ;D
The 848 wet clutch is a slipper of sorts already. It may not be as effective as a true slipper...but I know it is pretty difficult to lock the rear on it...much more so than my MTS1000 with its dry clutch.
Quote from: Statler on November 25, 2008, 09:54:32 AM
I'm not in a position to question anyone else's modification/dollar value.
no one is...ever
Modification is a concept that belies logic
and
therefor an idea that is unattainable for any person who believes motorcycles and financial return should exist in the same
sentence forum
Isn't the wet clutch on the 848 a slipper already?
Yes I realize this changed it to dry too.
Another thing to consider about the 1098 vs 848 arguement. The 1098 comes with a few things like better brakes, the seat cowl, steering damper, and color matched front fender for the additional $1500 or so increase in price.
So when you start factoring in all the extras you get does it really make sense to buy an 848 and then spend an additional $1500 or a slipper/dry clutch?
Quote from: Monstermash on November 25, 2008, 11:24:17 AM
Another thing to consider about the 1098 vs 848 arguement. The 1098 comes with a few things like better brakes, the seat cowl, steering damper, and color matched front fender for the additional $1500 or so increase in price.
So when you start factoring in all the extras you get does it really make sense to buy an 848 and then spend an additional $1500 or a slipper/dry clutch?
While technically the 1098 monoblock brakes are better than the 848 brakes...the 848 brakes are friggin' awesome...even on the track. I've even heard some say they prefer the 848 brakes because the 1098 ones are just too much for everything except the track. I've done a few track days on my 848 and have never needed more than 2 fingers on the front brake.
The seat cowl, steering damper, and fender are good points. The cowl and damper alone will set you back $700-$900, depending upon which damper you get.
Anyone taking bets on the 848S being a dry clutch?
Well hell, from this thread we should all be riding gixxers because you get more for the money. [roll]
Besides, 1098 is gone. (sure there are leftover 1098 around but there are some 848 around too so the haggling would almost equal out). The difference between an 1198 and an 848 now is 2,500. That's a lot of mods.
And some people just want the smaller lighter motor.
motorcycles are not minivans...you buy what you want, not what is practical and value for dollar to others.
Quote from: IdZer0 on November 25, 2008, 11:55:27 AM
Anyone taking bets on the 848S being a dry clutch?
Are they even making an 848S? I haven't heard any indication that they will.
Quote from: Triple J on November 25, 2008, 11:58:35 AM
Are they even making an 848S? I haven't heard any indication that they will.
Last year there where rumours of an 848S :
(http://www.ducati-upnorth.com/images/misc/1098R.jpg)
Quote from: Triple J on November 25, 2008, 11:30:38 AM
While technically the 1098 monoblock brakes are better than the 848 brakes...the 848 brakes are friggin' awesome...even on the track. I've even heard some say they prefer the 848 brakes because the 1098 ones are just too much for everything except the track. I've done a few track days on my 848 and have never needed more than 2 fingers on the front brake.
The seat cowl, steering damper, and fender are good points. The cowl and damper alone will set you back $700-$900, depending upon which damper you get.
+1
There are many threads on 1098 vs 848 on the web. They were meant to be different bikes, not really one, "better" than the other. They ride very differently.
It's all about what is 'better' for you IMHO. The minimal $ difference wasn't enough to sway my decision. I was actually going to get the 1098. I went for the 848 for the way it rides/the way I want to ride.
+ IMHO the OEM 848 wet slipper clutch is awesome. No need for a clutch slave at all. To get rear wheel skid down shifting, you got to be doing something pretty extreme. Especially with the stock Pirellis. The light engine spins up so damn fast. This dry slipper clutch is a lot of cash for little gain IMO. Seems more like a Ducati purest thing to have a dry clutch.
The wet OEM clutch is many pounds lighter than the 1098's dry clutch.
blah blah blah
Quote from: Desmostro on November 25, 2008, 12:54:22 PM
Seems more like a Ducati purest thing to have a dry clutch.
The wet OEM clutch is many pounds lighter than the 1098's dry clutch.
You're telling me that Ducati deliberatly puts a much heavier clutch on their top of the line bikes just because it is a Ducati thing?
I'm just having a hard time believing that. Do you have any proof that the wet clutch is lighter?
Quote from: SA_S2R on November 25, 2008, 01:46:54 PM
Do you have any proof that the wet clutch is lighter?
Other than DUCATI says it is?
Quote from: SA_S2R on November 25, 2008, 01:46:54 PM
You're telling me that Ducati deliberatly puts a much heavier clutch on their top of the line bikes just because it is a Ducati thing?
I'm just having a hard time believing that. Do you have any proof that the wet clutch is lighter?
I think a wet clutch requires much more pressure to work reliably. The spring tension is much greater (one reason why people remove a couple springs to get a lighter pull).
With an oil bathed clutch, I guess you can get away with lighter string pull and a little more slipping between the plates as the clutch engages since the oil cools and lubricates said plates.
Quote from: Statler on November 25, 2008, 11:55:42 AM
Well hell, from this thread we should all be riding gixxers because you get more for the money. [roll]
And some people just want the smaller lighter motor.
Hey! Don't knock those gixxers until you spend some time with them. ;D
The smaller, lighter engine is just plain easier to ride. Some think that's more fun too. [thumbsup]
Quote from: Triple J on November 25, 2008, 11:30:38 AM
The seat cowl, steering damper, and fender are good points. The cowl and damper alone will set you back $700-$900, depending upon which damper you get.
That really depends. If you want the stock damper, I'm sure someone with a 1098 will sell you theirs after they upgrade...
Quote from: NAKID on November 25, 2008, 03:24:34 PM
That really depends. If you want the stock damper, I'm sure someone with a 1098 will sell you theirs after they upgrade...
Stock 1098 damper doesn't work on an 848. Ducati was kind enough to not weld the arm onto the frame that the damper plunger hooks to . >:(
As such, you can buy the DP damper kit, which includes a bolt on arm and a replacement plastic key shroud to replace the stock one...for the low low price of $780 (if I remember correctly). Or you can buy a GPR damper which doesn't need the arm...for $550. Those are the only 2 options I'm aware of for the 848.
I went the GPR route.
One thing to consider in the 848 v. 1098 debate. For club racers, an 848 puts you in an intermediate size class. A 1098 puts you with the big bike class. If you want to run intermediate bikes, you don't care if the 848 is the same price as the 1098. You just want the 848 and all the go-fast bits you can get for it, including a dry slipper, which will allow easy clutch plate replacement at the track (not uncommon).
BTW, I don't get how this works (in part because I don't remember what the 848 cases look like). Do you need a new case for the 848 along with the dry slipper clutch?
Quote from: Spidey on November 25, 2008, 04:04:50 PM
BTW, I don't get how this works (in part because I don't remember what the 848 cases look like). Do you need a new case for the 848 along with the dry slipper clutch?
The link he provided shows a new case
Quote from: SA_S2R on November 25, 2008, 04:42:13 PM
The link he provided shows a new case
Hmmmm you're right. I looked at that pic this morning and somehow didn't see the case. Weird. Too much bourbon in my Cheerios, I guess. [drink]
In the spring I'll probably do the switch to the dry clutch slipper. I figure it'll be cheaper than buying another Duc.
After I installed the full Termi kit there wasn't really much else I wanted to add. Just want the Speedymoto triple and the Dan Kyle Öhlins damper kit. The dry clutch would finish the bike for me. Just my $.02
Quote from: mac900 on November 25, 2008, 02:59:37 PM
Hey! Don't knock those gixxers until you spend some time with them. ;D
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+1 I just fell in love with the twins. I can never go back to those i4's
i wonder, simply for the sake of argument, if this conversion makes the bike compatible with all the ducati dry clutches?
could you just slap in a standard clutch pack after your slipper wore out, if you were so inclined?
Quote from: zarn02 on November 27, 2008, 06:16:06 AM
i wonder, simply for the sake of argument, if this conversion makes the bike compatible with all the ducati dry clutches?
could you just slap in a standard clutch pack after your slipper wore out, if you were so inclined?
Yes all dry clutch slippers will work. The kit includes the Ducati Performance slipper which is made by Bucci and is the same design as many out there like STM and Yoyodyne. It has ball bearings on ramps.
Call me crazy, but I'd take and 848 over a 1098 any day - even if it was more expensive. I simply cannot use the power of a 1098 so that extra motor is lost on me. I can use a fair amount of the 848s power on the track therefore that bike is much more fun for me.
Personally I like the wet clutch better too!
Quote from: desmoworks on November 27, 2008, 06:38:07 AM
Call me crazy, but I'd take and 848 over a 1098 any day - even if it was more expensive. I simply cannot use the power of a 1098 so that extra motor is lost on me. I can use a fair amount of the 848s power on the track therefore that bike is much more fun for me...
+1. I love what the 1098 (and now 1198) represents, but the fact is it's too much power for 9 out of 10 riders. Just Bragging rights. I'd be more likely to wad it up!
The main reason to get a dry clutch: I can stop carrying around this damn tambourine! [cheeky]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhYnAeKiTq4
Quote from: Desmostro on November 29, 2008, 07:18:25 AM
The main reason to get a dry clutch: I can stop carrying around this damn tambourine! [cheeky]
THAT was really clever! [thumbsup]
I like my 848 as it is. I picked up a matching white seat cowl for $100 used on some dudes wadded 848... and I am happy. She is faster than I can go. No need to dry clutch it for me.