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Title: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: Xerxes1769 on December 03, 2008, 08:47:52 PM
...So long story short Santa is not bringing me a full exhaust system and since I finally get a free weekend...I wanted to chop and core my cans...now I been reading the How-To's and what not but wanted to ask you guys what I needed to look out for (I remember one of you guys saying you had done it before...)

...This is the best How-To I've seen... http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=2312.0  ...so If you know/seen a better one let me know...

This is what I'm going for (Length wise)

(http://i33.tinypic.com/123up8y.jpg)
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: DRKWNG on December 03, 2008, 10:03:03 PM
Dude!!  I was wondering where you had been.  Welcome back.  ;)

That is sort of what we did with my old S2R, but the internals were a touch different.  The main thing you need is a dremel and LOTS of beer.  ;) 

When are you looking at doing this?
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: teddy037.2 on December 03, 2008, 10:20:15 PM
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 03, 2008, 10:03:03 PM
Dude!!  I was wondering where you had been.  Welcome back.  ;)

That is sort of what we did with my old S2R, but the internals were a touch different.  The main thing you need is a dremel and not let me try and cut a straight line.  ;) 

When are you looking at doing this?

fixed 
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: DRKWNG on December 03, 2008, 10:22:12 PM
lol  I blame the beer, even if we hadn't started drinking at that point.  Actually, I blame it on Justin's dull ass hacksaw blade!   ;D



pregnant dog!
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: teddy037.2 on December 03, 2008, 10:23:20 PM
 :-*
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: Xerxes1769 on December 03, 2008, 10:38:43 PM
I've been around but between work (working 12's and being TDY for 2 months) and moving (from Maili to Kunia) I haven't had much free time...I'm probably looking at doing it this weekend (seeing how I finally how one free)...A dremel and beer (awesome!) will definitely have to buy both...Yeah I figure I can't f@#$ this up too bad...And since the bike is down for maintenance (let's just say it involves tipping over and a bent handlebar) I figure now that it finally has been battlescared (not really but you get the point) it's time to start modding....
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: teddy037.2 on December 03, 2008, 10:48:18 PM
even w/ben's help it's an easy mod  [thumbsup] you'll be fine.

but yes,  the dremel makes things alot easier
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: Xerxes1769 on December 05, 2008, 05:43:49 PM
OK....so I took the muffler off (just one...in case I f@%! it up I only need to buy one) and got the sleeve down and the exhaust tip off (what a PITA!!) and have the actual muffler by itself...

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3041/3086086176_5027a59ca4.jpg)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3285/3086086134_fa8ca536eb.jpg)

now the question is how do I cut it?  I know you  guys said a dremel (but that's kind of tiny and it would take til Jesus came back to get through it...) Did you guys mean a sawzall? I could try a hacksaw but my hacksawing skill are not up to snuff....

sorry about the crappy pix they're from my cell...
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: DRKWNG on December 05, 2008, 06:38:51 PM
Sawzall good!
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: Xerxes1769 on December 05, 2008, 07:16:58 PM
So I just noticed sawzalls are like $100 and my wife will not be happy if I buy another tool I'm going to use just once so I'm going to go buy a different cutting disc for the dremel and let you guys now how it goes...
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: teddy037.2 on December 05, 2008, 07:45:03 PM
larger dia. cutting whee will do the trick. those tiny brittle ones won't last a minute on it.

you'll want the one that looks like it has fiber reinforcement running through it
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: Xerxes1769 on December 05, 2008, 08:18:57 PM
Awesome...That's what I got a dremel adaptor with bigger cutting wheels....Hopefully I can finish this one tonight and the left one tomorrow....
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: DRKWNG on December 06, 2008, 09:46:06 AM
Quote from: teddy037.2 on December 05, 2008, 07:45:03 PM
larger dia. cutting whee will do the trick. those tiny brittle ones won't last a minute on it.


Very true, but you might want to get a few spares.  We went through what, six of those fibre-reinforced wheels on my exhaust?
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: teddy037.2 on December 06, 2008, 01:10:26 PM
dang, was it really 6?
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: Xerxes1769 on December 06, 2008, 01:18:14 PM
well here's the left...

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3143/3087873936_568b9b5b80.jpg)

and the finished right...

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3049/3087037227_6c64a5fd1b.jpg)

hopefully I can finish the left tonight....and yes I went through a crapload of cutting wheels...
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: teddy037.2 on December 06, 2008, 01:21:01 PM
there's a bike in them pics?

I'm blinded by orange reflectors  ;D
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: Xerxes1769 on December 06, 2008, 01:28:45 PM
Actually I just noticed how bright those are...Safety First?!?!.... ??? maybe I can take them off?
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: teddy037.2 on December 06, 2008, 01:31:01 PM
all the cool kids take off their reflectors.

don't you want to be cool?
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: MadDuck on December 06, 2008, 01:34:02 PM
I've always thought the short cans look great with the low pipe setup!
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: Xerxes1769 on December 06, 2008, 01:36:54 PM
Only everyday since I was 7 (sheesh....thanks for bringing back horrible memories....) what do I need to do take a flathead to it? figure they're just glued on...right?

...thanks (mac) now I just need the will to start on the second one...(my hands still hurt from yesterday...)
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: teddy037.2 on December 06, 2008, 01:38:38 PM
let it sit out in the sun (go for a ride!) and the adhesive will soften enough that you can pry it away from the fork tube.

screwdriver would work, but I'd use something softer than the fork, so as to not scratch anything. then use WD-40, goo gone, etc. to get rid of the little stickies that remain
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: Xerxes1769 on December 06, 2008, 01:43:21 PM
something softer than the forks but not a screwdriver...I guess I can try to tickle 'em off... ;) 
I guess it'll have to wait then since the bike is outta comission until i get the new handlebar :'(
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: teddy037.2 on December 06, 2008, 01:53:56 PM
I think I used a plastic knife. or one of those plastic paint scrapey things.

just roll your bike out the garage, or use a hair dryer or something. it's real easy
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: Xerxes1769 on December 06, 2008, 01:56:46 PM
Went to the garage and removed reflectors with just my bare hands (I guess sitting in a hot garage will soften glue)...I can feel my coolnes growing...or maybe its just gas?...
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: eltristo on December 06, 2008, 02:13:53 PM
Quote from: Xerxes1769 on December 06, 2008, 01:56:46 PM
Went to the garage and removed reflectors with just my bare hands (I guess sitting in a hot garage will soften glue)...I can feel my coolnes growing...or maybe its just gas?...


same thing  [thumbsup]
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: Xerxes1769 on December 06, 2008, 02:30:12 PM
Hey I have a question what's the purpose of wrapping the exhaust/headers?  I like the look of it but have no idea what it actually does....
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: teddy037.2 on December 06, 2008, 06:02:07 PM
you have earned +2 coolness

the heat wrap insulates the piping... it can keep you from melty boots if the pipes run by your feet.

otherwise, I just know it's a 'racy' kind of thing. not sure what performance bennie it supposedly has. but it does look the biz!
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: Xerxes1769 on December 06, 2008, 08:56:06 PM
cool then at least I'll get the bike to look fast...Does anybody know where I can get the exhaust wrap (I called South Seas and they said they have to order it) is there any other bike shop that carries it or am I going to have to order it?  Also thinking of putting this on instead of the usual front fairing....

(http://www.monsterparts.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/M-WS-AN_large.jpg)

opinions?
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: MadDuck on December 06, 2008, 10:23:33 PM
Exhaust pipe wrap is at Ron's Racing Parts. In Stock item. 2 sizes along with the Black silicon spray paint. No need to order anything. Just go down to the Iwilei store. Open 7 days a week. ------ Fairing? What year is your bike? I 'm working on a carbon nose fairing for the '99 or older Monsters. This thing is genuine Ducati Performance original equip with all hardware. I'm getting all the clear coat done slowly, I repeat, very extreemely slowly, done but it will look absolute tits when finished and it will be up for sale. Brand new. Never installed. It won't be cheap but it will be uber cool.
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: MadDuck on December 06, 2008, 10:26:30 PM
You will need to remove the exhaust to wrap properly and do a good job so it won't look like crap so keep that in mind. Also, you wrap from the rear toward the head. Lessons learned the hard way.
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: Xerxes1769 on December 06, 2008, 10:57:00 PM
My bike is an '07 (so if you ever do anything for that let me know...I'm also looking for a bellypan if your feeling frisky ! ;D ) ...I could not find Ron's Racing Parts on the yellow pages (would you happen to have the address???)...I figured since I have the exhaust off anyway it's just a few more bolts to take off the whole thing anyway so why not....Also I've read about that rear to front but just can't picture what you mean (I figure the wrap should come with instruction...)
Thanks for all the tips!
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: MadDuck on December 07, 2008, 12:40:12 AM
Ron's is located in the middle of the Iwilei sweeper (Nimitz Hwy. just outside of downtown harbor area) -- you have to enter from the Diamond Head direction side and cut through the warehouses alley to the Kalihi bound side. You can see the shop on the left side as you are exiting the sweeper but you have to stay in the left lane and double back as you pass K Mart ---- or stay on the left side of Nimitz coming from Kalihi and cut into the warehouses a block or two before you get to River St.

There are no wrapping directions other than overlapping the wrap by a quarter inch to 3/8 inch. The directions don't even tell you to run hot water over the wrap or that stainless steel safety wire works best to hold it down. The steel tie wrap straps they supply you with are pathetically useless. That's not a misspelling or misuse of phrase.

Since there is no real exhaust pipe heat issue with the Monster the wrap work is near useless as opposed to the Superbikes where the upswept exhaust cooks your right leg.
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: teddy037.2 on December 07, 2008, 09:07:44 AM
I was gonna say Ron's... lol

trick flyscreen, man! I say do it!
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: MadDuck on December 07, 2008, 09:36:22 AM
Rear to front.... I see that wasn't clarified. (I hate when people post and don't answer the basic questions (sheesch) -- Anyway, that means you start the spiral wrap from the end of the pipe closest to the muffler and work toward the end of the pipe that bolts into the cylinder head. Always buy more wrapping tape than you think you need and always allow for at least one to two feet longer than what you think will be long enough to wrap. It is almost invariable that you will come up short and all your work will be for naught. Cut your length of wrap that you are going to use (the one that will be too short) and run it under hot water so it will soften up and stretch (it still won't stretch far enough to make up for not being long enough). If you bought the black wrap then this will cause your hands to turn black and in general makes a big mess. I do not recommend doing this in the kitchen unless you live by yourself. If you do it in the kitchen make sure your significant other will be gone for a while. Remember you will cut too short of a length so you will be back in the sink at least a second time with a new wrap making more of a mess again. It is a huge help to have a friend who is equally crazed to help you with this. (The wrapping part that is, you can wet/wash the wrap and make a mess all by yourself just fine).

These directions are not included in the kit.
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: teddy037.2 on December 07, 2008, 11:32:17 PM
methinks I shall coat my pipes instead of wrapping if I ever get to that
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: DRKWNG on December 08, 2008, 01:14:55 AM
Quote from: mac900 on December 07, 2008, 09:36:22 AM
It is a huge help to have a friend who is equally crazed to help you with this and the MotoGP on afterwards. (The wrapping part that is, you can wet/wash the wrap and make a mess all by yourself just fine).

Fixed!  ;)

Actually, it wasn't all that messy when we did the Daytona: from my degraded memory anyhow...

I still have quite a bit of unused wrap laying around that you are welcome to.  Don't really think it would be enough to do your entire system though, and I don't have any more ties or safety wire.

Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: Xerxes1769 on December 08, 2008, 05:19:13 PM
Thanks for all the help guys (and I apologize for all the n00b questions)...but here goes one more how do I go about wrapping the center of this thing?...

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3149/3094268152_2cfda9b7d3.jpg)

This is a video I found....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55U2ArzgZf4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55U2ArzgZf4)

and I finally got my new handlebar and Rizoma grips

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3201/3093523061_29f62bdd8c.jpg)

(...now to figure out how to install these things)....more questions to come....hope you guys don't mind!
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: teddy037.2 on December 08, 2008, 05:55:15 PM
smells like a mod day is in the works  ;D
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: Xerxes1769 on December 08, 2008, 07:26:39 PM
okay question...the Rizoma grips came with three different throttle thingies.....I figure the one that's almost the same size is the one that should go on it right?  It says 2 strokes (so it sounds right ....right?).......I'm trying to get as much done as I can before I go to work (I go in at 9pm) since I will not have free time until I take leave (hopefully it gets approved) starting the 22nd and I'm itching to ride before then....

BTW here's a pic of the throttle thingies...

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3101/3094637520_b18dfcba87.jpg)

The white one is the one that came off the bike and the rest are the ones that came with the Rizoma...the second one from the left is the one I'm using (it looks smaller because it's an odd angle but they're about the same size) and the black washer (the 3rd thing) where is that suppost to go?

Thanks again...
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: Xerxes1769 on December 08, 2008, 09:07:37 PM
Got the handlebar on with all the stuff that goes with it (signals,grips, brake, clutch, etc....)

My only question is when I tighten the throttle housing (for lack of a better word) all the way the throttle grip will not return to the neutral position...I loosen it just a bit and it works fine...is this right or did I f@#! something up?...here's some pics...

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3191/3094016947_38fa47a70d.jpg)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3217/3094859894_f463d3df4a.jpg)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3117/3094859140_6f6326d771.jpg)

It's sportier than stock so I'm happy...once I finish the exhaust and actually get to ride it (if I didn't f@#! up the throttle and it doesn't kill me) I think I'll be the coolest kid on my block!


Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: MadDuck on December 08, 2008, 10:08:24 PM
Good job! But..... of course you make the beast with two backsed up the throttle.  [laugh]  You have to endure as much pain, frustration and embarrassment as possible once you start modding. Oh, I almost forgot to add that most of us won't be able to help much more than to commiserate with you unless you show up at a group mod thing. That is, if you make it there alive.  [thumbsup]
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: MadDuck on December 08, 2008, 10:13:42 PM
Quote from: Xerxes1769 on December 08, 2008, 05:19:13 PM
Thanks for all the help guys (and I apologize for all the n00b questions)...but here goes one more how do I go about wrapping the center of this thing?...

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3149/3094268152_2cfda9b7d3.jpg)


Guess who gets to be the first to find out?

Have you ever wrapped handlebar tape on a racing bicycle?
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: DRKWNG on December 08, 2008, 11:52:06 PM
Quote from: mac900 on December 08, 2008, 10:08:24 PM
Oh, I almost forgot to add that most of us won't be able to help much more than to commiserate with you unless you show up at a group mod thing. That is, if you make it there alive.  [thumbsup]

The gauntlet has been thrown down!!  Does he accept the challenge?
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: Xerxes1769 on December 09, 2008, 04:51:26 PM
Not 100% professional but damn close  ;D ...

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3134/3096888026_3a76f87477.jpg)

hopefully it'll dry by tomorrow then I can seal it (I even masked them already..) and install exhaust by thursday and maybe be  [moto] by friday?!?!?

Group mod?  I will not have another free weekend until  the weekend of the twentieth but if you guys are down for that weekend I'm in...

BTW one question that might be a little too late....was I suppost to paint/treat/apply anti-rust to the pipes before I wrapped them?....
(why do I always think about this kinda stuff after I'm neck deep....)
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: eltristo on December 09, 2008, 11:35:44 PM
looks pretty good.  i can't answer the anti-rust bit.
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: Xerxes1769 on December 10, 2008, 07:37:28 PM
Ahhhhh man...it looks freakin' sweet and sounds awesome...

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3113/3099606270_ef80d52e54.jpg)

question though now with the new handlebar the controls hit the tank (...when turned all the way) is there somethink I can put on the tank to prevent scratching the tank?

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3248/3099606284_0381eebfee.jpg)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3193/3099606280_f179f58b31.jpg)

now to get ready to go out and ride even if it's drizzling a bit...(I haven't ridden in about two weeks and I'm itching to..)
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: MadDuck on December 10, 2008, 10:50:01 PM
If you look on the backside of the lower triple there should be what is frequently called frame stoppers or steering stoppers. Basically it's a pair of bolts or studs, one on each fork leg clamp with a lock nut, which adjust in or out to set the clearance of the handlebars. Properly set you don't need anything on the tank unless the bike falls over or crashes, in which case all bets are off due to handlebars bending and other physical forces stronger than the adjustment.
Title: Re: Chopping and Coring Cans
Post by: Xerxes1769 on December 11, 2008, 08:31:51 PM
That did the trick!  Thanks and now to wait for the weather to improve (...yesterday by the time I got ready the weather had worsen)...Stupid weather...