Hopefully none of the haters have made it over here yet...
it's the tires.
haha!
oh, and those 125 and 250 titles don't count.
8)
...does that make Stoner his son?
i don't hate, i've always liked rossi, but i do think stoner deserves more credit than he gets. wt:
Quote from: sqweak on May 05, 2008, 04:32:53 PM
i don't hate, i've always liked rossi, but i do think stoner deserves more credit than he gets. wt:
...and i think some people give him more credit than he deserves.
Quote from: ducpainter on May 05, 2008, 04:17:06 PM
...does that make Stoner his son?
En el nome del patris, il filhi, y il Desmosedici...
Quote from: sqweak on May 05, 2008, 04:32:53 PM
i don't hate, i've always liked rossi, but i do think stoner deserves more credit than he gets. wt:
I agree...but the credit that is deserved for acknowledgement should be for Jorge Lorenzo....to take the spill he did and do as much damage as he did to himself on that Friday and still qualify as fast as he did AND finish where he did....THAT deserves recognition!...and to Dr Costa to help them all make it happen!
This past weekend just showed how impressive his skills are with regards to being a technician on the track. He gains as much respect as one could possibly give, I only wish now that he was an American so that he could be my favorite racer. :D
Quote from: darylbowden on May 05, 2008, 03:59:25 PM
Hopefully none of the haters have made it over here yet...
make the beast with two backs Rossi!
just checkin in.
The vets are back...
Hopefully it is nothing but downhill from here on out for Melandri mo:t:
China was a sweet race, and seeing Rossi run Predrobot ragged was fantastic to watch.
Oh yeah, and Jorge is THE MAN so far. Too bad he's in such rough shape after that highside.
Quote from: jagstang on May 06, 2008, 08:35:15 PM
Oh yeah, and Jorge is THE MAN so far. Too bad he's in such rough shape after that highside.
According to the latest reports, Lorenzo is stuck in a wheelchair til Le Mans.
Quote from: darylbowden on May 06, 2008, 11:30:43 PM
According to the latest reports, Lorenzo is stuck in a wheelchair til Le Mans.
Hey, as long as he can still ride when they tape him to the M1, ala "Breaking Away"
CUTTERS RULE
whatever, shorty.
;D
#46 RULEZ!!!!
be::
+1 on Rossi is God!
Rossi hints he will stay at Yamaha (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67165)
interesting article. he's open about the M1, bridgestone, loss of confidence in michelin and the fact that of course now they want to prove him wrong.
just wish those stupid journalists would stop referring to him as "The seven-time world champion".... ;D
Quote from: gm2 on May 07, 2008, 10:55:21 AM
Rossi hints he will stay at Yamaha (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67165)
just wish those stupid journalists would stop referring to him as "The seven-time world champion".... ;D
co:: Must resist the bait... Don't take it......ah make the beast with two backs....
If I wanted to be considered the GOAT and was down on my comparative championship count I'd have my PR guys insist on including my Class championships too. I'm surprised they don't use his carting wins as well. ;D
And if there is a "father" in racing's holy trinity it would have to be Agostini.
There we go. Now I feel like we've moved in. dr::
Since we are in a new place let me go on the record right at the start before the haterade starts to flow...
1. I like Rossi, I admire Rossi, I pull for Rossi. I just don't idolize him, need to find excuses for him or denigrate the field when he loses. He is an amazing talent whose riding and record speaks for itself.
2. I enjoy our banter and am glad to have found a place that likes the races as much as I do.
CHEERS
be::
CWBY
Rossi is a whiner :P
hello fellas :)
Quote from: Pakhan on May 07, 2008, 11:27:51 AM
Rossi is a whiner :P
hello fellas :)
glad ya found us. ;D
Quote from: COWBOY on May 07, 2008, 11:14:43 AM
If I wanted to be considered the GOAT and was down on my comparative championship count I'd have my PR guys insist on including my Class championships too. I'm surprised they don't use his carting wins as well. ;D
rossi's PR guys write for autosport?
let me ask you this: how many titles does Lorenzo have?
(and, hi, welcome! be:: ;D )
The PR firm certainly has input into what goes into an article if their man is going to agree to participate in an interview. Standard practice and is part of the negotiation up front for any celebrity let alone athlete.
ZERO World Titles and 2 Class Championships. I know FanBoys like to dismiss them but the 2006 and 2007 World Champions were Hayden and Stoner respectively.
I won't continue this though "world champion" argument until someone answers the simple question that has yet to be addressed.
"Name one other major racing circuit which counts feeder class championships WITH it's premier class when counting/describing its drivers/riders/etc. Hell I'll expand the pool name one other SPORT who even mentions feeder class/league performance when talking about a players championship credentials."
Even with the class championships Rossi is only half way to the dominance that was Agostini. Over similar time frames (8-10 years) Agostini won 8 Premier Class Championships (500cc) and 8 more Class championships (350cc) for a total of 16.
5 in a row is certainly nothing new in GP nor for Burgess -- see Mick Doohan.
Glad to see y'all here. Appreciate the break from the tedium of work.
so freddy spencer only won one world championship in 1985? :P
Quote from: COWBOY on May 07, 2008, 11:55:45 AM
I won't continue this though "world champion" argument until someone answers the simple question that has yet to be addressed.
"Name one other major racing circuit which counts feeder class championships WITH it's premier class when counting/describing its drivers/riders/etc. Hell I'll expand the pool name one other SPORT who even mentions feeder class/league performance when talking about a players championship credentials."
This could go on forever if you're going to name any rider who has won at 250cc and gone on to win 500cc.
Let's just face the reality that all the GP riders, past and present, inhabit a riding realm we can only vaguely imagine. No one gets to the level of a World Championship ride, in any displacement, with merely pedestrian talent or ability. Of course if you ever saw Kenny Roberts or Kevin Schwantz ride you just might agree you've seen something very otherworldly. There are things I saw them do that are forever burned into my memory and send chills down my neck when I think of them. Now on to other things.
Quite an interesting season now. The Ducati isn't as dominant and hasn't seemed to find its setup yet. Lorenzo has been amazing as a class rookie. Rossi is Rossi, which means it was only a matter of time before he cracked the nut and started winning. We'll see how the Bridgestones play out over the full season. People laughed and snorted when he went to Yamaha, then he shut them all up, twice. I don't know if you can ever crown a GOAT, but he's a contender. And Hayden, poor Hayden. If only Honda would make a bike for him instead of Pedrosa he might stand a chance. Meanwhile let's all crack a coldie and drink a toast to Colin Edwards. Here's hoping he wins one before it's all said and done! Cheers!
Oh yeah, DePuniet, quit crashing. West, what happened to you? Hopkins, get your ass going! Melandri, are you done yet? Pedrosa, eat something you scrawny little mutant! Capirossi, a tip of the hat, old man. I think it's time for another sedative . . .
Quote from: mxwinky on May 07, 2008, 12:49:11 PM
Melandri, are you done yet?
did you watch last weekend's race?
Maybe you haven't heard...Melandri is back baby ;D
Hopefully
Let's wait and see if it's real or just el flash-o en el pan-o. He seemed like the real deal only a couple of seasons ago and then just fzzzzzzzz . . . poof, gone. Perhaps the 800s haven't been his cup of espresso.
Quote from: mxwinky on May 07, 2008, 03:43:32 PM
Let's wait and see if it's real or just el flash-o en el pan-o. He seemed like the real deal only a couple of seasons ago and then just fzzzzzzzz . . . poof, gone. Perhaps the 800s haven't been his cup of espresso.
huh?
he didn't get along with the 800cc Honda as well as the 990cc.. but then again, no one did. 5th in the championship last year aint bad.
I still have loads of faith in Melandri's abilities. He has it in him, now lets hope Ducati continues to tune the electronics for riders other than Stoner. Melandri was seriously at an all time low. He said himself on his website he was merely a "luxury spectator". Things are looking up for him, and it can only get better wt:.
Hopefully
What happened with West, he seemed promising last season. ???
So you thought you could lose me eh boys? ;)
I had to come back so that Derby would have someone to disprove. ;D
BTW, I love Rossi, but I still reckon he was smiling behind his towel when Lorenzo went flying.
Quote from: tufty on May 08, 2008, 12:51:56 PM
So you thought you could lose me eh boys? ;)
;D
welcome to the new playground!
Quote from: tufty on May 08, 2008, 12:51:56 PM
So you thought you could lose me eh boys? ;)
I had to come back so that Derby would have someone to disprove. ;D
BTW, I love Rossi, but I still reckon he was smiling behind his towel when Lorenzo went flying.
Sweet. Gangs all here and accounted for. Now I can fully look forward to our many WTF moments the monday following raceday. :e:v
welcome be::
CWBY
Quote from: ducpainter on May 05, 2008, 04:17:06 PM
...does that make Stoner his son?
and hayden an angel?
where the hell is that angel smiley >:(
<---sighs, feels sick then throws up at the thoughts of all those who would apparently clean Rossi's hairy bean bag with their tongues if they could.
I won't mention names. They know who they are.....Derby ;)
Keep it going boys and girls-
Enjoying the repartee - great to see ya'll at each other in our new place wt:
Your all wrong DuPuniet is the god of GP, he will sweep all the remaining races, mark my words!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Pakhan on May 08, 2008, 06:07:05 PM
Your all wrong DuPuniet is the god of GP, he will sweep all the remaining races, mark my words!!!!!!!!!!
Hopefully, NOT with his leathers r:e)
I predict Bayliss is going to get so far in front in WSBK that he'll have to strap Pedro to the Duc as a dead weight.
He'll lock up WSBK and then take Melandri's seat and sweep the remaining races to earn both the WSBK and MotoGP titles in his fairwell tour. :e:v
Quote from: Pakhan on May 08, 2008, 06:07:05 PM
Your all wrong DuPuniet is the god of GP, he will sweep all the remaining races, mark my words!!!!!!!!!!
marked. ;:|
Quote from: Pakhan on May 08, 2008, 06:07:05 PM
Your all wrong DuPuniet is the god of GP, he will sweep all the remaining races, mark my words!!!!!!!!!!
sweep up? like with his leathers?
Ohhhhh, just three replies too late.
;D
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj219/Putz37/depuniet2006portrait.jpg)
;:| ;:| ;:| ;:|
Quote from: ducati_steve on May 09, 2008, 10:26:51 AM
Ohhhhh, just three replies too late.
;D
That is worth a giggle!
Quote from: COWBOY on May 08, 2008, 06:15:42 PM
I predict Bayliss is going to get so far in front in WSBK that he'll have to strap Pedro to the Duc as a dead weight.
He'll lock up WSBK and then take Melandri's seat and sweep the remaining races to earn both the WSBK and MotoGP titles in his fairwell tour. :e:v
Bayliss's stroller only had two wheels 8) He could do it. Guy is my hero....Aussie power!
Oh yea, in case you didn't know which side of the fire I'm camping on.............go Stoner!
" Valentino Rossi arrives in Le Mans, the scene of the eponymous 1971 film starring his hero Steve McQueen, hoping to emulate another of his idols with a ninetieth Grand Prix victory. The Fiat Yamaha rider is within just one win of equalling the career total of Angel Nieto, the second-highest number of race triumphs in the World Championship´s history.
It seems inevitable that Nieto will relinquish second place in the all-time standings to the current MotoGP star, leaving Rossi in pursuit of another legend -perhaps the most legendary of all- Giacomo Agostini. The 29 year-old is aiming first for Agostini´s premier class total, an achievable figure that could be reached this season.
`Ago´s record is 68 in the premier class, so that´s just five more than me. We have the record of 90 Grand Prix wins to aim for, then the 68 MotoGP wins.´
The all-time high water mark is 122 wins, also that of Agostini and something that will be achievable at the earliest in the final race of 2009... should Rossi win every race of this and a further 18-race season.
For the 122 mark, that will be 33 more than now, so it might be difficult... but not impossible,´ he grinned. "
Go Rossi!!!!!
Honestly though, Lorenzo is a beast omgosh. :o
I think Rossi's biggest problem in regaining with is rightfully his this year is his next door neighbor.
I'm happy for Yamaha and very happy for Colin. [thumbsup]
Even though I love Ducati, the looks on their faces when questioned about Rossi is priceless. I remember the smirks on their faces last year. Nicky was a poser, he didn't win the championship, Yamaha lost it. Ducati with Stoner on it truly kicked every other bikes ass last year and I respect him as the true champion of last year. But that's last year and now that the other manufacturers bikes are closer to being on the same level rider skill is what will determine the championship. In that regard, nobody is better than the King of MotoGP.
Go Lorenzo for 2nd! :P
Quote from: Chococat on May 20, 2008, 06:50:28 AM
Go Rossi!!!!!
Honestly though, Lorenzo is a beast omgosh. :o
I think Rossi's biggest problem in regaining with is rightfully his this year is his next door neighbor.
I'm happy for Yamaha and very happy for Colin. [thumbsup]
Even though I love Ducati, the looks on their faces when questioned about Rossi is priceless. I remember the smirks on their faces last year. Nicky was a poser, he didn't win the championship, Yamaha lost it. Ducati with Stoner on it truly kicked every other bikes ass last year and I respect him as the true champion of last year. But that's last year and now that the other manufacturers bikes are closer to being on the same level rider skill is what will determine the championship. In that regard, nobody is better than the King of MotoGP.
Go Lorenzo for 2nd! :P
If not Stoner/Ducati, then I'm glad Rossi is having a nice come back and not by small margins - he deserves it for sure.
So does Colin finally out from under boss-man!
Lorenzo, however can kiss my ass.
Um, hello? Did anyone see DePuniet at LeMans? He was amazing! Would've had 1st place if all those other riders weren't in his way!
I noticed no one is disputing the above statement, that's because you all know I'm right. 8)
Quote from: Pakhan on May 21, 2008, 08:43:33 AM
I noticed no one is disputing the above statement, that's because you all know I'm right. 8)
Wait, who?
Quote from: Stucky on May 07, 2008, 01:02:04 PM
Maybe you haven't heard...Melandri is back baby ;D
Hopefully
Say what? who? back? back where?
back from last place.
Quote from: gm2 on May 21, 2008, 03:32:14 PM
back from last place.
What-ever he beat Casey Stoner fair and square as they came in together just like the Yamaha Team did. Except the end of the race :P Like book ends. I'm sure they meant to do that.
Quote from: Desmostro on May 21, 2008, 03:58:30 PM
What-ever he beat Casey Stoner fair and square as they came in together just like the Yamaha Team did. Except the end of the race :P Like book ends. I'm sure they meant to do that.
I'm not sure what 80% of that means [roll] :)
and on or off topic.. not sure.. nothing about my comment is really about marco. his problem is/was the bike.
Quote from: gm2 on May 21, 2008, 04:53:46 PM
I'm not sure what 80% of that means [roll] :)
and on or off topic.. not sure.. nothing about my comment is really about marco. his problem is/was the bike.
Just joking - Melandri & Stoner came in 15th and 16th place at the last GP race respectively. That means Melandri actually beat Stoner to the finish line. Yamaha's team was at the front, Ducati's team at the back like bookends.
ok dumb joke.
You think Melandri hasn't figured out his GP8? What's his deal?
I can't say I understand why he's doing so badly with Ducati.
i approve of this thread gentlemen, please do continue :)
Quote from: Desmostro on May 22, 2008, 05:44:16 AM
You think Melandri hasn't figured out his GP8? What's his deal?
I can't say I understand why he's doing so badly with Ducati.
if you think about it, since the 800cc GP machine was introduced, only 1 rider out of 7 have had any measure of success with it. the other 6 can barely get around the track (ok, save 1 race: loris @ motegi). if 86% of those that attempt to ride it basically can't, it's fair to say it's the bike that's the problem. not the riders.
read mamola's review after riding the GP7 last year.. something like '
a fire-breathing dragon, barely under control by electronics'. so far, much to his credit, the only person vaguely comfortable riding that style is casey.
...oh, and he came from dirt tracking. which is why, to tie this back to a different thread, lots of people have said nicky should be on that bike. hmmmm.
Quote from: gm2 on May 22, 2008, 09:16:28 AM
if you think about it, since the 800cc GP machine was introduced, only 1 rider out of 7 have had any measure of success with it. the other 6 can barely get around the track (ok, save 1 race: loris @ motegi). if 86% of those that attempt to ride it basically can't, it's fair to say it's the bike that's the problem. not the riders.
read mamola's review after riding the GP7 last year.. something like 'a fire-breathing dragon, barely under control by electronics'. so far, much to his credit, the only person vaguely comfortable riding that style is casey.
...oh, and he came from dirt tracking. which is why, to tie this back to a different thread, lots of people have said nicky should be on that bike. hmmmm.
Ya I absolutely agree with you in theory - not having any communication with those who ride it...
Though its quite clear to us all by now a bike fits one like a shoe. Some you fit, some you don't. It's a good guess Nicky may do better with this Italian rocket having done well on the 1000cc and miserable on the 800cc. Watching Casey back it in through countless corners, getting back into the race after finding dirt off the track etc. shows his comfort with sliding around a bit.
Can't say I know all the issues, But sounds like a good guess.
Melandri just may tragically be an in-line-4 kind of guy like Rossi. :-\
Quote from: Desmostro on May 22, 2008, 09:41:54 AM
Melandri just may tragically be an in-line-4 kind of guy like Rossi. :-\
nah, i think marco is just a stable in the corners kinda guy. he doesn't trust that duc as far as he can throw it. china notwithstanding.
rossi... to bring us back on topic ;D... i'm sure could ride the ducati just because he's rossi. and b/c JB would figure it out.
Quote from: Desmostro on May 22, 2008, 09:41:54 AM
Melandri just may tragically be an in-line-4 kind of guy like Rossi. :-\
How is Rossi and in-line-4 kind of guy? He did pretty well on two-strokes and the RC211V if my memory serves me correctly. [thumbsup]
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67611
Quote from: gm2 on May 22, 2008, 12:17:38 PM
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67611
Wow, some very honest words from their head of racing in that article, I love it.
Everyone loves a winner.
Quote from: gm2 on May 22, 2008, 09:16:28 AM...oh, and he came from dirt tracking. which is why, to tie this back to a different thread, lots of people have said nicky should be on that bike. hmmmm.
I, too, have wondered about that. I suppose nothing's impossible, but I seriously doubt we'll ever see Nicky on the 'sedici. :-\
Quote from: jswledhed on May 22, 2008, 03:45:07 PM
I, too, have wondered about that. I suppose nothing's impossible, but I seriously doubt we'll ever see Nicky on the 'sedici. :-\
whyso? ducati offered it to him once, why not a second time?
there ARE rumors floatin' around that he's already signed with the italians for '09.
Really. That'd be interesting indeed. I figured he was Honduh through and through. I'd love to see it, if only to satisfy my own curiosity. Linkage? :)
Quote from: jswledhed on May 22, 2008, 04:00:01 PM
Really. That'd be interesting indeed. I figured he was Honduh through and through. I'd love to see it, if only to satisfy my own curiosity. Linkage? :)
he's been on hondas since 1999 (suzuki before that) and loyalty is one of the reasons he re-signed with big red 2 years ago when ducati offered him a ton of money and the gp7.
I would like to see Hayden on the Ducati but I don't think he would want to switch rides. No one can compete on the Ducati except Stoner. I think Stoner wins in spite of the Ducati. If Stoner was on a Yamaha - look out.
Hayden isn't competing on the Honda right now...and he's playing second fiddle to Pedrosa it seems.
I'd love to see Hayden on the Duc next year! [thumbsup]
Quote from: Armor on May 22, 2008, 07:16:40 PM
I would like to see Hayden on the Ducati but I don't think he would want to switch rides. No one can compete on the Ducati except Stoner.
when you count the folks who haven't ridden it at all, you really can't know that can you
I would love to see hayden on a duc as well, if honda doesn't get him where he wants to be this year I could see him leaving them.
Quote from: ducpainter on May 22, 2008, 01:55:28 PM
Everyone loves a winner.
no truer words have been spoken [thumbsup]
Quote from: Armor on May 22, 2008, 07:16:40 PM
No one can compete on the Ducati except Stoner. I think Stoner wins in spite of the Ducati. If Stoner was on a Yamaha - look out.
If he's that good than what happened to him on the RC211? Because if he's so good that he wins in spite of the Ducati, and look out if he hops on a Yamaha, then he should have certainly won on the RC211V.
I think Lorenzo is the heir to Rossi's throne........that kid is already competitive in his rookie season. And riding his last two races injured he was still competitive. He's the friggin' man to watch.
Quote from: mikeb on May 23, 2008, 11:09:41 AM
then he should have certainly won on the RC211V.
um. he did.
Quote from: mikeb on May 23, 2008, 11:47:51 AM
Stoner?
oh sorry, i was responding to hayden.
nah, stoner was "sabotaged" on the honda ;) (tho he really did start out '06 very strong)
Quote from: gm2 on May 23, 2008, 11:50:24 AM
oh sorry, i was responding to hayden.
Figured you got mixed up someplace.
Quote from: COWBOY on May 08, 2008, 06:15:42 PM
I predict Bayliss is going to get so far in front in WSBK that he'll have to strap Pedro to the Duc as a dead weight.
He'll lock up WSBK and then take Melandri's seat and sweep the remaining races to earn both the WSBK and MotoGP titles in his fairwell tour. :e:v
thats because aussie have bigger balls and shit roads [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: Armor on May 22, 2008, 07:16:40 PM
I would like to see Hayden on the Ducati but I don't think he would want to switch rides. No one can compete on the Ducati except Stoner. I think Stoner wins in spite of the Ducati. If Stoner was on a Yamaha - look out.
Even if Hayden were to move into the Duc team, I don't think he'd be competitive. Todays bikes are more finesse rides than before, with speed and timing critical. The older 990 and 2 stroke 500's were a ballsy ride where you could power your way out of a mistake.
That why all the good riders in the older 990 class have been struggling. And the newer 250 riders succeeding. IMO
Quote from: printman on May 25, 2008, 06:37:08 AM
Even if Hayden were to move into the Duc team, I don't think he'd be competitive. Todays bikes are more finesse rides than before, with speed and timing critical. The older 990 and 2 stroke 500's were a ballsy ride where you could power your way out of a mistake.
That why all the good riders in the older 990 class have been struggling. And the newer 250 riders succeeding. IMO
you need take another look at casey's riding style and they way he controls the bike. it's anything but finesse.
That doesn't seem to apply to all, obviously. Some have been able to overcome the change better than others is my point.
And names that you'd see up top in the past are having problems staying there now.
I think when you look at the performances of Ducati and Honda and the riders who can or can not make them go fast, it shows that the"winning factor" is a true combination of variables. It's not enough to have a fast bike, or a brilliant rider. You have to have a bike that's tailored to an individual riders style and can be set up in a manner that makes them confident enough to push 110% and beyond. To push the boundaries and ride the machine past it's limit and onto the top of the podium.
I think Hayden is going to have to leave Honda, simply because his riding style is so different from Pedrosa's. It's simpy going to be too difficult to develop a bike that can compliment both riders. That said, I think his riding style would be complimented by the Ducati. He likes big power, and somewhat loose riding, which seems to be what characterized the Ducati.