Hi Everyone,
I've Been a bit of a lurker on this site (and the old board) for quite a while now. I've been riding dirt Bikes since I was a young tacker and have been riding a on the road for a while now (VTR250 - mini jap Monster).I 'm almost off my restrictions and now looking to step up to larger bike.
I fell in love/lust with Monsters after a visit to Bologna a couple of years ago and they were the whole reason I decided to get my road licence.
I 'm looking to buy second hand, I'm thinking a S2R 800 looks the goods but I havn't quite got my head around all the various model incarnations and the Pros and Cons of each, has anyone got a link or info on what the all the various models have been over the years when they switched to Fuel Injection etc etc.
Thanks
Welcome.
Sounds like a S2R800 would be a good choice for you. I've got one and love it.
Not sure whether anyone has collated the info your looking for. You might just have to keep reading the forums and pick it up.
You could try something like this:
http://www.ducati.com/en/bikes/service/archive.jhtml (http://www.ducati.com/en/bikes/service/archive.jhtml)
Doesn't have every year ... will generally be FI on that list (back to 2001) but I think only the biggies were FI then?? The littler Monsters went FI in 2002 I think.
If you are looking at a S2R800 it will be FI. Can't say I have had any problems with mine, apparently the 800 engine had been around a while before the S2R came into being ... but it does have the little kiddy brakes (2 piston calipers).
S'pose it would be a nice step up and the wet APTC (clutch) would be more user friendly than those noise dry clutches. It is my first bike, you may even feel comfortable on something bigger if that is your preference.
My first monster was a M900ie which came out in 2000. It was the first of the FI Monsters. The M900 was available with FI in 00 to 01, S2R and S4R came out until 02. I loved my M900ie, it was the first bike I purchased when I got my unrestricted licence. It was the best monster of the time and had awesome power take up and brakes. I commutted on it every day for 4 years putting on 15,000km/yr. You'll also likely get one with Termi pipes and mods that the owners have done.
The best thing is that you'll pick up a 900ie for around $8.5K with low Km's. They're a lot cheaper than an S2R800.
Regardles the trick is to look for bikes that haven't had too many owners, full service history and been garaged. You can tell this by looking at the motor air cool fins, triple claps and any other alloy parts. If they're pitted, splotchy or generally look weathered then the bikes not been loved as much as it should have.
Your best bet is to get out there and ride some monsters!
Check out these links:
http://bikepoint.com.au/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=2985069&TabID=3424 (http://bikepoint.com.au/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=2985069&TabID=3424)
http://bikesales.com.au/as/search/s.do?currentPage=1&page=0&selectedMakeIndex=25&selectedModelIndex=62&minPrice=&maxPrice=&makeID=21&modelID=382&keywords=&state=&x=55&y=15&categoryID=&minReleaseYear=&maxReleaseYear=&minKilometres=&maxKilometres=&minEngineSize=&maxEngineSize=&numCylinders=&transmissionID= (http://bikesales.com.au/as/search/s.do?currentPage=1&page=0&selectedMakeIndex=25&selectedModelIndex=62&minPrice=&maxPrice=&makeID=21&modelID=382&keywords=&state=&x=55&y=15&categoryID=&minReleaseYear=&maxReleaseYear=&minKilometres=&maxKilometres=&minEngineSize=&maxEngineSize=&numCylinders=&transmissionID=)
Quote from: Betty on February 05, 2009, 12:30:11 AM
If you are looking at a S2R800 it will be FI. Can't say I have had any problems with mine, apparently the 800 engine had been around a while before the S2R came into being ... but it does have the little kiddy brakes (2 piston calipers).
S'pose it would be a nice step up and the wet APTC (clutch) would be more user friendly than those noise dry clutches. It is my first bike, you may even feel comfortable on something bigger if that is your preference.
Yeah I've had two M800's the same engine as the S2R but classic monster dual swingarm...
from memory 2003 was the year they changed from
600 - 750 - 900 in the 2V to
620 - 800 - 1000.
FI is more a grey area - there were "early" FI bikes in the M750 and M900 (as dannog has said)
These were earlier ECU's, no immobiliser etc
The 03 and 04 620 and 800 had goldline brakes, but cheap suspension
There are "s" variants which early only change the swingarm from steel to aluminium.
Basically these are very good bikes to learn roadcraft on - wet clutches, enough power but not too much, OK suspension (esp if you're more the size of an average Italian than me!) and very good brakes.
No dry clutch, so no bling, integrated coffin style masters with non adjustable levers (which can be changed)
In 05, the 620 got the cheaper brakes, and the S2R was released to replace the M800.
someone should write a FAQ (again!)
hope this helps!
Quote from: goldFiSh on February 05, 2009, 01:55:54 AM
from memory 2003 was the year they changed from
600 - 750 - 900 in the 2V to
620 - 800 - 1000.
Jukie is a 2002 620ie, so close.
Wow..sounds like there is quite a few more models and model variations within the Monster ranks than I realised :o
jedit : just found this link which answers some of my questions
http://www.mcnews.com.au/Testing/Ducati/M696/Lineage.htm (http://www.mcnews.com.au/Testing/Ducati/M696/Lineage.htm)
Quote from: Eillo on February 05, 2009, 03:01:51 AM
Wow..sounds like there is quite a few more models and model variations within the Monster ranks than I realised :o
jedit : just found this link which answers some of my questions
http://www.mcnews.com.au/Testing/Ducati/M696/Lineage.htm (http://www.mcnews.com.au/Testing/Ducati/M696/Lineage.htm)
Good find Eillo and welcome to the madhouse.
I have a 2005 1000s DS. I get totally confused with the diversity of monsters - no blonde female quips allowed! It would be really helpful if someone did catalogue all monster models.
And of course I think mine is the best just like everyone else thinks their bike is the best. All you can really do is testride whatever you can and make up your own mind. Budget and body size will also help determine what you will end up with.
Good luck with the shopping.
Hi heatherp,
If you want to know more about the workings of a Duc try this site:
http://www.ducatisuite.com/home.html (http://www.ducatisuite.com/home.html)
Nugget Head
Thanks Nugget Head looks like a good site. [clap] Lots to read tho. Will take some wading through.
Heatherp
Yeh lots to read mate but it helps to be in the know when owning a Duc.
I love my M620ie (2003) and ride everyday. This i now understand requires a lot more maintenence and care than your weekend bike. Unlike Jap bikes Ducs are more expensive to maintain but I am keen to learn the hows and whys of it all - very time consuming.
I am f?*en pissed off. My baby has been knocked over twice in the last month by my housemates in thier 4WD. What? and they give me a case of beer and an apology - Jesus!
Damaged tank - dent , leaking fuel (hair line fracture on mounting hinge), broken brace clip, busted side panel and shatterd pride in my Bike.
Riding around at the moment with a limp.
Why I mention you may ask.? Well $4000 for a new tank. Off course repair is the prefered option but I had no freakin idea I would be up for that - this is pretty standard across all ducati parts and accessories range.
The short story is be prepared to spend a little more when owning a Duc. Apart from my little rant I have enjoyed every second and kilometer on my baby and I would not hesitate in buying another.
The guys/gals on this forum are great. Honest and reliable sources of all types of info regarding the Monsters.
Good luck Champ!
Ah? This was the page I was to post initially... Happy reading
http://www.ducatisuite.com/needtoknow.html (http://www.ducatisuite.com/needtoknow.html)
Nugget Head.
[thumbsup] Good post Nugget Head.
Yes you will get lots of help from the people on this forum both local and from our US cousins.
BTW I think you should get new housemates. The current ones seem like regular spoonheads. [bang]
Cheers
H
Quote from: nuggethead on February 05, 2009, 04:45:27 AM
I am f?*en pissed off. My baby has been knocked over twice in the last month by my housemates in thier 4WD. What? and they give me a case of beer and an apology - Jesus!
Are non of you insured? I'd make them pay, then maybe find new housemates..... dam 4WD'ers (runs and ducks for cover.....)
Hey Eillo, another way of doing research on the various models of monsters is looking at web sites like bikepoint, bikesales and redbook. They will list all models and you'll get familiar with them.
welcome Eillo :-*
Quote from: Betty on February 05, 2009, 02:02:16 AM
Jukie is a 2002 620ie, so close.
sure it's not a MY03? late 2002 manufacture would equate to a Model Year 2003 in duc manufacturing speak.
True dat.
Mine is late 05 but they say it's an 06.
2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009
m620 dark X X
m620 X X X
695 X X
696 X X
m800 X
S2r800 dark X X
S2r800 X X X
m1000s X X
S2r1000 X X X
1100 X
1100s X
this is the beginning (has to be converted to HMTL graphics) of the update for model years and capacity.
here is my update for the 2 valvers:
seat height (") Fuel Dry Weight BHP
695: 30.3 3.6 / 14 370 73
696: 30.3 3.8 / 15 355 80
S2r800 31.5 3.6 / 14 381 77
S2r1000 31.5 3.6 / 14 392 95
1100 31.9 3.8 / 15 370 95
gotta do the 4 valvers tomorrow and send it to Speedog....anyway...then after the dimensions I'm up to the year by year tech changes.
Quote from: Super T.I.B on February 05, 2009, 10:53:59 PM
True dat.
Mine is late 05 but they say it's an 06.
Until you go to trade it in and the salespeople (Ex real estate agents?? ;) ) will tell you its an '05, even though you probably bought it as an '06. [bang]
Shysters all. !! :o
Quote from: goldFiSh on February 05, 2009, 10:52:30 PM
sure it's not a MY03? late 2002 manufacture would equate to a Model Year 2003 in duc manufacturing speak.
She bought it in July 2002 (is that late in the year?)
Also have on file a price sheet from NFI dated Feb 2002 listing the 620ie as a 2002 model.
Spider.
What is the dry weight units (i'm assuming pounds as they sure ain't kilos).
And are you sure they're correct. The 696 is 160kgs (dry) according to the brochure. And my bike is 40kgs heavier which is similar to the 1100's weight. So if your values are in pounds it still doesn't seem right.
pounds, dry weight (without battery, lubricants - that's how I like to enjoy my motorcycle)
it's a continuation of data from the DML model comparison page which we would like to bring forward from 2003.
dry weights are as per ducati site.
there is a year that the weights change from wet to dry...and also a year that it goes from rwhp to hp at crank case to compare with Japs....it's around 2004 I believe. I'll discover it tomorrow when messing with the 4 valvers!
Quote from: Betty on February 06, 2009, 12:07:33 AM
She bought it in July 2002 (is that late in the year?)
Also have on file a price sheet from NFI dated Feb 2002 listing the 620ie as a 2002 model.
well maybe it's a 2002... to be honest I'm more well versed on my M800, and you are more thank likely correct!
I know the M800 was an 03 and 04 only...
The 900 they messed with from 2000 on I think with FI, so who really knows, those crazy Italians..
My 900Sie is a 2000 model.
Gotta love the "S" with the extra goodies ;D