My ride M695 has very basic suspension , upgrading both ends with new stuff would cost 2-4k money I would never get back
I have been scouring ebay for cheap stuff with no joy.
My issues are diving front end under heavy braking , scraping the pipes under heavy load through fast corners on uneven roads
and basically to soft and wallowy . I feel I could ride with a lot more confidence with a better equiped suspension.
On the track it wasn't as noticable due to the smooth surface lack of bumps and predictable corners, but on the Old road today it really became a problem with the bumps throwing me off line .
I was advised by a bloke called Terry from a place called Shock Treatment out west that I could have an alternative for a 1/4 of the cost.
1. Introduce a heavier weight oil in the forks and slightly enlarge the flow hole .
2. Introduce a heavier spring to the rear and instal a separation valve.
There is no ride hight adjust on the linkage would this help too and are they $$
Please add your opinion to this alternative especially if you have had any of these done
as 4k I would be better of upgrading the bike which I don't really want to do yet.
thanks
dez
Yep, +1 to the suggest on the front end, but I'd at least throw a good set of springs in also. [thumbsup]
From what I've heard the 695 arse end aint top of the range, so a cheap alternative could be a stock multiadjustable shock from say a GSXR-600 or somesuch, and it its a wee bit longer will give you a but of a lift?? ;)
I've gone the custom springs, new weight oil route.....I was pretty happy....the reduction of brake dive meant that I could brake later into the corner because the bike would settle quicker in time for steering input.
Quote from: dragonworld on March 21, 2009, 10:33:43 PM
Yep, +1 to the suggest on the front end, but I'd at least throw a good set of springs in also. [thumbsup]
From what I've heard the 695 arse end aint top of the range, so a cheap alternative could be a stock multiadjustable shock from say a GSXR-600 or somesuch, and it its a wee bit longer will give you a but of a lift?? ;)
Thanks dragon , just checked fleabay US and there are heaps for cheaps :)
With that shock being longer wouldn't I have to install an adjustable link to take advantage of a longer member ?
I had a similar problem with my S2R 800, I splashed out on a Ohlins shock and spring for the rear from MotoWheels (They had Ohlins USA change the spring and revalved it for me), and then had heavier springs fitted to the front forks and we played around with the fork oil weights.
The rear probably cost all up about $800 and the front about $300.
The change is amazing, it's made my Monster into a totally different beast, no more ducking and diving into corners, the bike was not bouncing and wallowing around.
Money well spent [thumbsup] So you can upgrade the suspension, without breaking the bank.
now all I need is for my Goldline Brembo upgrade kit to arrive ;D Stoppies anyone!?!? [cheeky]
Anyone know if any of these will fit a M695 it is aprox 315 mm eye to eye (used a crapy tape measure )
2006 999 rear shock
748 /749/917/996/998 ohlins rear shock
848 Showa
Or if you have any of these and can measure eye to eye length
thanks
dez
Not sure about the 695 and the shock fitment, but some things to be wary of are:
1. If the shock has a piggyback type comp/rebound reservoir? (Remote types might work) ;)
2. And dont forget the shocks diameter!. [thumbsup]
Quote from: dezmonster on March 22, 2009, 10:09:41 PM
Anyone know if any of these will fit a M695 it is aprox 315 mm eye to eye (used a crapy tape measure )
2006 999 rear shock
748 /749/917/996/998 ohlins rear shock
848 Showa
Or if you have any of these and can measure eye to eye length
thanks
dez
bump. Anyone know the answer to this?
Quote from: dezmonster on March 21, 2009, 10:08:20 PM
My issues are diving front end under heavy braking , scraping the pipes under heavy load through fast corners on uneven roads
and basically to soft and wallowy . I feel I could ride with a lot more confidence with a better equiped suspension.
On the track it wasn't as noticable due to the smooth surface lack of bumps and predictable corners, but on the Old road today it really became a problem with the bumps throwing me off line .
I'm glad i'm not the only one that feels this way. I was starting to think I was the problem. It really does shatter your confidence a bit. I have fixed the exhaust problem with high mounts. Please keep us posted with how it turns out. Some more mods may be in order for my 695.
Kaz [thumbsup]
This is an old thread signora
The little monster has changed muchly
Adjustable forks from am ST2 new seals and 10W oil plus a piggy back shock from a 749 /999 if I remember correctly? purchased from eurobrit spares in Melbourne a little more expensive than ebay but there was no issue with quality, and a ride height adjuster from the US
Completely different bike cant wait to get it back on the track, I was looking for a new second hand bike to get better suspension but now I am really happy with her now 12K of fun riding later and playing with the idea of mono block brakes to complete the package.
Nice one - my research told me that the ST2 front end was too tall for a monster. i would love to see some pics if you could...
There you go ST2 forks on a M695 Vinyl wrapped new seals 10 W oil
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff57/ohana181/P9020519.jpg)
do you have pictures of the 749 shock installed on your bike? and was the ride height adjuster custom or from a ducati bike?
Quote from: ajw85 on February 05, 2010, 09:28:13 AM
do you have pictures of the 749 shock installed on your bike? and was the ride height adjuster custom or from a ducati bike?
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff57/ohana181/P2010585.jpg)
Short answer [laugh]
I think it was 749/999 Showa for $200 haven't been able to find the receipt from eurobrit but if you are really keen P.M. me and I will call them and ask exactly which bike it came from.
Getting a shock with the eye to eye length isn't the issue with the 695 ,matching leverage ratio so you get the correct spring rate can be done but getting one with the piggy back at the correct angle was.
The 1098 OEM (plenty around as a lot of owners upgrade) looks on paper to bolt straight in but after reading on the main board that there are rear wheel clearance issues as it faces south I kept hunting.
There are so many different angle piggy backs the easiest would be I guess a remote like from an ST2.
The shock I went with has the reservoir at around 45 degres south west which fouls the frame tab for some of the wiring , as I installed a crankcase breather which removes lots of hosing and the big black reservoir box under the seat enabled me room to move most of the wiring under the seat.
The tab had to be bent down to fit the shock so I just cut mine off rust treated the cut and painted it .
Originally I had replaced the OEM spring with a heavier Ohlins $100 ish which did help a lot with firming up the ride and making it less wallowy but the improvement in handling with a shock with compression and rebound control was amazing.
There is a small bridge in a corner that I ride over on the way home from work that has a really bad dip which would previously make the bike unstable and be quite un nerving now I cant even feel it even at high speed ;D much safer
The ride heigh adjuster I got from fleabay US for $40 It was from another Ducati and out of the box was 30mm longer [thumbsup] so didn't have to wind out to much thread which apparently can make them fail as in snap if you hit a pothole only issue was it was nearly locked up completely and took a lot of work to crack it open so be aware when buying one that it is not corroded and locked up.
Quote from: dezmonster on February 04, 2010, 11:11:45 AM
This is an old thread signora
Sorry, blonde moment [roll]. Happens quite a bit. Don't know how I missed that.
I need to meet some of you soon and check out your bikes, then I will know what is going on. Very hard to put things into perspective off the forum alone. Plus, seeing these mods in the flesh will make more sense to me and will give me inspiration to jump on the bling wagon.
Cheers, Kaz. (Female and blonde, it's not an excuse, it's a fact!! ;D)
Dez, I'm not sure whether I love you or hate you.
You're a genius, but an evil one, I fear.
I just ordered a 999 shock (at this rate I fear I'm going to end up with a whole 999 rear end) on ebay - US$129, which works out to ~AU$200 including shipping at silly money.
Are you going to bar Italia next week? If so I'd very much like to see how you did the crankcase breather mod, as there's no way the 999 shock will fit without losing the reservoir.
I usually work Thursday night's (just got home and read your post)
always wanted to go for a cuppa and hang out, have to be another time.
EVIL GENIUS? Im flattered LOL
well maybe you got the [evil] part right.
Matty's also done the mod Suzy, perhaps take a look at his bike on Thurs...
Be warned tho..... there's a lot of bling on his bike, and you may end up with more evil ideas... sometimes it's best not to look too close to other's bikes!
Quote from: dezmonster on February 05, 2010, 11:45:49 AM
Short answer [laugh]
I think it was 749/999 Showa for $200 haven't been able to find the receipt from eurobrit but if you are really keen P.M. me and I will call them and ask exactly which bike it came from.
Getting a shock with the eye to eye length isn't the issue with the 695 ,matching leverage ratio so you get the correct spring rate can be done but getting one with the piggy back at the correct angle was.
The 1098 OEM (plenty around as a lot of owners upgrade) looks on paper to bolt straight in but after reading on the main board that there are rear wheel clearance issues as it faces south I kept hunting.
There are so many different angle piggy backs the easiest would be I guess a remote like from an ST2.
The shock I went with has the reservoir at around 45 degres south west which fouls the frame tab for some of the wiring , as I installed a crankcase breather which removes lots of hosing and the big black reservoir box under the seat enabled me room to move most of the wiring under the seat.
The tab had to be bent down to fit the shock so I just cut mine off rust treated the cut and painted it .
Originally I had replaced the OEM spring with a heavier Ohlins $100 ish which did help a lot with firming up the ride and making it less wallowy but the improvement in handling with a shock with compression and rebound control was amazing.
There is a small bridge in a corner that I ride over on the way home from work that has a really bad dip which would previously make the bike unstable and be quite un nerving now I cant even feel it even at high speed ;D much safer
The ride heigh adjuster I got from fleabay US for $40 It was from another Ducati and out of the box was 30mm longer [thumbsup] so didn't have to wind out to much thread which apparently can make them fail as in snap if you hit a pothole only issue was it was nearly locked up completely and took a lot of work to crack it open so be aware when buying one that it is not corroded and locked up.
I wouldn't mind seeing how you mounted your rectifier, if you have any pictures of that off hand...
Hope this is of some help AJ and Suz
Very easy ghetto fix :
Originally I had planned to fab a bracket ,
but after securing it to the original hole for the crankcase breather resevoir (which I replaced with a K&N TPO kit)it felt very secure with no movement ,and it now has unincumbered air flow .
Second photo is to show the tab I cut off to allow the shock piggy back to fit in the frame moving the wire loom up under the seat out of eyesight.
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff57/ohana181/P4270616.jpg)
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff57/ohana181/P4270617.jpg)
This is very similar to what I'm planning, except that I'll probably make a plate to mount the regulator and coil to, using the existing mounts for the breather canister.
I was thinking flipping the regulator upside down and rotating it ninety degrees would probably be useful as well, so that it gets better airflow.
Woohoo, my monoshock arrived.
Dez, it's not identical to yours, but it has the reservoir in the right place, and measures 305mm eyelet to eyelet. From what I've read, that's the same length as my 695 one. Mine allegedly came off an '04 999.
I have no idea what the spring rate is - I'll do a disassemble/clean/reassemble with new oil and work the rate out when I do that.
The main thing is it has adjusters for both compression and rebound :)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3639/4561715327_eebf6def75.jpg)
Suzy, it might help if you take your shock to Terry Hey or Frank Pons as they can re-gas it when you get the oil changed and they will be able to tell you if the spring is in the right range for you.
Mmick
Cool. For reference, the stock spring for a 999 appears to be 70 n/mm (7.14kg/mm), which will be way too light. From what I've read, I'll be wanting something like 95 n/mm...
My desire to disassemble is strong (we use bottled nitrogen at work, so recharging isn't a problem - the main hard bit would be fabricating a tool for compressing the spring).
Dez, did yours need a revalve as well as the spring change, or was the spring change adequate?
Nah Motorcycle weaponary checked it out and no regas or valving needed .
MW have a spring compressor so it was an easy spring swap for me [thumbsup]
For dissassembly,
You can try putting it in a vice and loosening the preload adjusters all the way. If that works, then just remove the retaining spacer at the bottom and drop the spring out. If it doesn't work, then you're back to where you started, but it's worth a shot.
Yay, I got the new shock on tonight, and just went for a ride.
Many thanks to Mike from Desmo Clinic for sourcing the spring for me - an Ohlins 01091-31/95, 95n/mm.
Getting the old spring off was really, really hard. I bought a spring compressor thingy, and had to try a couple of times before I got it right and was able to compress it enough to get the collar off. The new one is shorter, so was a lot easier to put on - I only needed to compress it a little.
It was a bit of a saga - the list of things I had to do was:
- Source a 999 Showa shock from ebay - $200.
- Buy a spring - $220.
- Get a crankcase breather kit from TPO (can't remember exact price, but ~$50).
- Fabricate a plate to put the rectifier/regulator and vertical cylinder coil on.
- Cut the mounting tab for the vertical coil to make room for the reservoir on the shock.
- Fit the crankcase breather and throw away the old plastic reservoir and hoses.
- Remove the old spring (really hard work) and fit the new one.
- Pull the old shock out and fit the new one in its place.
- Adjust preload to suit - I put in 16mm of preload, which gives me 42mm sag (13mm with me off the bike). I'm thinking that once I swap to clipons, it'll come up just a tad to ~40mm.
- Adjust rebound and compression damping. I went in 0.5 turns on rebound to compensate for the stiffer spring, but have thus far left the compression setting at the 999 stock setting.
- Go for a ride [moto] and enjoy. [thumbsup]
Here's some photos: The first is an overall shot:
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4010/4692052812_b8f2c0db7e.jpg)
Next detail of the shock and spring, also showing the cut coil mounting bracket:
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1272/4692052820_a973472e7e.jpg)
And finally detail of the regulator/rectifier mounting:
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4002/4692052826_a3c42b9959.jpg)
The difference is amazing - well worth the effort, and then some. The back end just feels really planted and sure. It's literally like chalk and cheese. Makes the stock front end feel dreadful in comparison.
Mark also got some shiny new Ohlins springs for my 998 forks, so soon (after sourcing clipons and boring my triple) I'll have the front sorted too :)
Chick Ching !!!
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Ahh umm sorry Suzy its all my fault isn't it [evil]
but now wait until you drop it into a corner at speed [drool]
and it will be all worth while
then home for a [beer]
It really is the best thing I have done to my motorcycle ,
it really doesn't matter how many shinny blingy bits we cover a bike with to make it look better if at the end of the day it does not perform where its important.
Now whats next ;D
Quote from: dezmonster on June 11, 2010, 02:00:08 AMNow whats next ;D
Well like Signora says, there's always something :)
I'm thinking a new seat and some new tyres, then some nice four-pot calipers and 320mm rotors, some diy carbon, then maybe new mufflers (I like the sound of Arrows), maybe an ECU upgrade, light weight battery, maybe a big bore kit (I have reason to keep my 695cc monster with the new CTP prices putting my bike in the same category as a 250 [evil].
Hmmmmm big bore kit tell me more [drool]
maybe we could get a group buy and as your handy with the wrenches and I know how to
open beers and watch while nodding with apparent intelligence while actually knowing absolutely
zero , sounds like a perfect team [laugh]
Quote from: dezmonster on June 11, 2010, 02:59:28 PM
Hmmmmm big bore kit tell me more [drool]
maybe we could get a group buy and as your handy with the wrenches and I know how to
open beers and watch while nodding with apparent intelligence while actually knowing absolutely
zero , sounds like a perfect team [laugh]
I was reading about 800 upgrades - one of which is to fit 91mm pistons. The stock 695 is 57.2mm stroke with 88mm bore - if it's possible to fit the pistons used for 750 big bores (91mm), then the displacement goes to 744cc. The pistons are expensive, but not insane - certainly cheaper than a motor swap.
I think we should try it on your bike, and then I'll copy shamelessly. Bear in mind I've never disassembled an engine before though :)
The pile of parts is growing, and my purse is getting ever lighter.
I just pulled the pin on these:
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50/Jasone510/Monster%20Parts%20for%20Sale/DSC_0104.jpg)
and these:
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y54/TheoAftonomos/EBAY/2004%20749s/Woodcraft53mm.jpg)
and of course I've already got these:
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4009/4651102797_9586537723.jpg)
Now all that remains is some hot milling action, and some quality shed time, and I'll be a happy plappy!
go Suzyj go
Nice one Suzyj, i am interested in how you get on with the new brake master. I stayed with the standard one when i upgraded my front brakes & am not that happy with the lever feel.
Mmmm shiney. I love the fact that all the stuff is lovingly laid out on what appears to be a foam set of baby play letters [clap] [clap]
Quote from: suzyj on June 11, 2010, 10:55:01 PM
Bear in mind I've never disassembled an engine before though :)
I've disassembled heaps of stuff. Some of it I have even put back together! I have a pile of left over internal parts as proof. [roll]
Lovely work Suzyj.
Are they 4 pot gold lines? Had them on the 620 and they rocked.
I'm guessing they won't be fitted by the weekend?
I think we are going down the same path. Your just way ahead of me.
I'll just learn from your experience. ;D
Quote from: mattyvas on July 28, 2010, 04:07:50 AM
Lovely work Suzyj.
Are they 4 pot gold lines? Had them on the 620 and they rocked.
I'm guessing they won't be fitted by the weekend?
Aye - they are, with 320mm rotors.
They're currently winging their way across from the US, along with the clipons. I doubt they'll arrive before next week.
great work Suz, I've done some of this to my s2rs and reckon great suspension is.....highly addictive....I keep thinking about tracking some factory Ohlin forks with 7000 series alloy caliper mounts.
we can always go the 20mm cartridge upgrades!!! [thumbsup]
great job!
Oh no! My bike exploded!
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4081/4852463931_44a0d43553_z.jpg)
Being out with Dez on the weekend just proved to be too much for the poor thing.
Looks like someone is getting ready for Superbike School.
Now you're gonna have to learn how to wheelie.
Yeah that's right I was reading your wheelie ways in another thread.