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over the bars before the camera started? how'd he get in front of the thing?
Not sure, it started before I saw it I was shooting someone else coming out of the corner.
So I only caught it from there on, but they are all of my frames of it.
howd the bike stand up to it :o
Quote from: bazz20 on March 30, 2009, 01:46:45 AM
howd the bike stand up to it :o
i saw it its a permanent track bike now :o
ouch thats gunna hurt the pocket , what was it looked new
Quote from: bazz20 on March 30, 2009, 01:46:45 AM
howd the bike stand up to it :o
I'd say he was almost getting away with it until frame 3... Then it started looking _expensive_
big
serves him right for riding a suzuki............... [roll]
nah, just kidding. very easy to fry em up trying to get back on the gas exiting 2, at least he looked ok.
paul.
Quote from: bazz20 on March 30, 2009, 02:09:16 AM
ouch thats gunna hurt the pocket , what was it looked new
I think it was a Suzuki Gixa 600 t'was very blinged to :o
It was a 1000, busted clipon, mashed pipe, fairing and other bits and pieces.
Basically, ouch.
Not worse than the guy who came down at 11-12 yesterday and turned it into a ball of flames for a sec.
That's now a serious track bike.
Oh and does someone know this guy, nice set on the Ozmonster Flickr page.
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i think it was '98, i was at eastern creek for a track day and this guy rolled up with a brand spanking new R1, no klms on it, just picked it up from the dealer. exiting pit lane he lost it and high sided in spectacular style with the bike catching fire, not being on the track proper, just the pit exit at the bend, by the time fire marshalls got there it was a black molten mess. poor bugger, had the longest face i'd seen in a while.
maybe it's just the angle or something, but this guy looks a little out of shape in the corner :o I'm pretty sure when leaned over your arse should be on the seat!
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Yeah he had a really funny style, he always lifted himself off the bike each time on exit.
Strange way to shift your weight from side to side.
Quote from: goldFiSh on March 30, 2009, 03:31:59 AM
maybe it's just the angle or something, but this guy looks a little out of shape in the corner :o I'm pretty sure when leaned over your arse should be on the seat!
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nar goldy hes riding it supermoto style , i hope [laugh]
Quote from: mattyvas on March 30, 2009, 02:52:36 AM
It was a 1000, busted clipon, mashed pipe, fairing and other bits and pieces.
Basically, ouch.
Not worse than the guy who came down at 11-12 yesterday and turned it into a ball of flames for a sec.
That's now a serious track bike.
Oh and does someone know this guy, nice set on the Ozmonster Flickr page.
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is it jay leno on a diet [cheeky] no ive seen the bike some where before just cant make out the leathers , looking good vince hoping your still enjoying that awesome machine [bow_down]
Quote from: mattyvas on March 30, 2009, 04:07:05 AM
Yeah he had a really funny style, he always lifted himself off the bike each time on exit.
Strange way to shift your weight from side to side.
from what I understand, that's a recipe for instability.
how do you say it dock, knee to knee and slide, not lift (see I have been studying up!)
Quote from: mattyvas on March 30, 2009, 02:52:36 AM
Oh and does someone know this guy, nice set on the Ozmonster Flickr page.
Yeh I know him ,Its this guys Twin ;D
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Quote from: bazz20 on March 30, 2009, 04:27:36 AM
is it jay leno on a diet [cheeky] no ive seen the bike some where before just cant make out the leathers , looking good vince hoping your still enjoying that awesome machine [bow_down]
Yeh Loving it bazz [thumbsup]
Quote from: goldFiSh on March 30, 2009, 04:34:08 AM
from what I understand, that's a recipe for instability.
how do you say it dock, knee to knee and slide, not lift (see I have been studying up!)
I have been letting to many secrets out ,Better watch out may end up being the back runner.
Since i have been working at the track,I have been on recovery duty as in carnage recovery.On recovery of a crashed we do a questionair to evaluate what happened.
Most of the times the crashee has not done any school days or have done less than 5 track days, and the crash was due to rider input .every other time it has been because of stupidity .
The Track is a relay safe place to enjoy your machine,it is only when you hooligans trying to be the next Moto GP wanna be in the levels way to fast for rider ability and bike preparation.
My suggestion for first timers is if you can ride your bike through any twisties and have absolutely no doubt of your ability and are confident with leaning into a corner and holding a line, Yellow group is for you.If you are realistic and still have that on edge feeling when cornering and leaning, white group is for you . Let it be known that it is your first time Yellow or White you will have a fore better day knowing that there will be no expectations from you and mostly others egging you on.
if you're going to find your limits the track is the best place to do it. stupidity is only a point of view, if someone is wringing it's neck through a school zone at 3.00pm? that's stupidity, letting loose at the track, regardless of how much ability you have or whether you're a victim of your own red mist is cool, it's the safest place to make the beast with two backs up. Don't be rubbishing guys and girls who want to be the next moto GP star, we all started somewhere, maybe their ego or ignorance won't let them admit what little experience they really have, but the track marshalls can see it easily and it's not hard to move them to another group. I remember my very first track day, i thought i knew it all and my bike was the fastest thing out there!! didn't take me long to come crashing back to earth, luckily, not literally, a marshall had a chat with me, moved me to a more appropriate group and i got some training before i came for a 2nd go. we ("you hooligans") are finding our limits and the limits of our poorly prepared bikes in the relative safety of a racetrack, owning a flash S4RS or desmosedici (who wants to be the moto gp star???) might be good for posing but i doubt you will ever come close to the limits of the bikes for fear of crashing. your limits i see you have found by the attached photos. Just cause you work at the track doesn't mean you rule it, save the attitude.
paul.
Quote from: Dockstrada on March 30, 2009, 03:07:36 PM
My suggestion for first timers is if you can ride your bike through any twisties and have absolutely no doubt of your ability and are confident with leaning into a corner and holding a line, Yellow group is for you.
Thanks you all for the words of wisdom. Doing my first track day on May 9th and speaking to "other" track riders they concure with your thoughts Dock. Hence I'm in the Yellow group.
Looking forward to a fun day where I can push the S4RT and me a little more knowing that there are no [leo], Volvo drivers, pot holes, dogs, etc, etc round the next corner....
And nope I'm not looking to be the next Moto GP champ.......
Trev you are always my BIG CHAMP
Jukie your usual "smooth" treat will be available Saturday..... ;D ;D
YES YES YES CANT WAIT HMMMMM
Quote from: loony888 on March 30, 2009, 11:42:58 PM
if you're going to find your limits the track is the best place to do it. stupidity is only a point of view, if someone is wringing it's neck through a school zone at 3.00pm? that's stupidity, letting loose at the track, regardless of how much ability you have or whether you're a victim of your own red mist is cool, it's the safest place to make the beast with two backs up. Don't be rubbishing guys and girls who want to be the next moto GP star, we all started somewhere, maybe their ego or ignorance won't let them admit what little experience they really have, but the track marshalls can see it easily and it's not hard to move them to another group. I remember my very first track day, i thought i knew it all and my bike was the fastest thing out there!! didn't take me long to come crashing back to earth, luckily, not literally, a marshall had a chat with me, moved me to a more appropriate group and i got some training before i came for a 2nd go. we ("you hooligans") are finding our limits and the limits of our poorly prepared bikes in the relative safety of a racetrack, owning a flash S4RS or desmosedici (who wants to be the moto gp star???) might be good for posing but i doubt you will ever come close to the limits of the bikes for fear of crashing. your limits i see you have found by the attached photos. Just cause you work at the track doesn't mean you rule it, save the attitude.
paul.
i think it should be compulsory that that people getting there bike license should do a track school or program , i thought i could ride unto i went and started doing track days i soon learnt just how far you can push a bike and most of all how easy it is too lose it , never hurt my self on a track but have had a couple of painfull spills on the road cheers bazz
Quote from: loony888 on March 30, 2009, 11:42:58 PM
if you're going to find your limits the track is the best place to do it. stupidity is only a point of view, if someone is wringing it's neck through a school zone at 3.00pm? that's stupidity, letting loose at the track, regardless of how much ability you have or whether you're a victim of your own red mist is cool, it's the safest place to make the beast with two backs up. Don't be rubbishing guys and girls who want to be the next moto GP star, we all started somewhere, maybe their ego or ignorance won't let them admit what little experience they really have, but the track marshalls can see it easily and it's not hard to move them to another group. I remember my very first track day, i thought i knew it all and my bike was the fastest thing out there!! didn't take me long to come crashing back to earth, luckily, not literally, a marshall had a chat with me, moved me to a more appropriate group and i got some training before i came for a 2nd go. we ("you hooligans") are finding our limits and the limits of our poorly prepared bikes in the relative safety of a racetrack, owning a flash S4RS or desmosedici (who wants to be the moto gp star???) might be good for posing but i doubt you will ever come close to the limits of the bikes for fear of crashing. your limits i see you have found by the attached photos. Just cause you work at the track doesn't mean you rule it, save the attitude.
paul.
letting loose at the track, regardless of how much ability you have or whether you're a victim of your own red mist is cool, it's the safest place to make the beast with two backs up Loony you seem to have taken my point of view personally ??? what about the poor victims you will take with you on your demise [roll] I regret to say but its words like that relay make a statement to you view of your fellow mans safety :-\
Some go out to enjoy their machines with safety in mind regardless of the cost of it ,these are the people i want to ride with, not some testosterone filled try hard with no experience trying impress his mates or his women [roll]
I do value your opinion Loony, but in this case i am a little disappointed :'(
My observation of the morning out there really shows you that it's not what you ride but how you ride it.
There was a VTR 250 out there with cheese cutter tyres on that was not only keeping up with but
riding around many litre bikes through turn 2-3-4.
It took 4 laps or more for the group to out pace the little machine, most likely because the rear rubber
had had enough.
I love stories like this Matty...
I've heard there are old blokes out there who troll the race circuit, get a shitter bike and then school all the young'uns by riding the wheels off of them.
Quote from: Spider on March 31, 2009, 07:26:56 PM
I love stories like this Matty...
I've heard there are old blokes out there who troll the race circuit, get a shitter bike and then school all the young'uns by riding the wheels off of them.
In the olden days my brother and I ( mounted on our trusty XL 250s) used to take great delight in carving up the boy racers on the Kew Boulevard.
(of course the old kwaka 9s, cb 750s etc. that we were up against weren't exactly great handlers either. We just had the big advantage of when
our frames flexed in the middle, we had more ground clearance to the pegs.
Quote from: Dockstrada on March 31, 2009, 02:58:04 PM
letting loose at the track, regardless of how much ability you have or whether you're a victim of your own red mist is cool, it's the safest place to make the beast with two backs up
Loony you seem to have taken my point of view personally ??? what about the poor victims you will take with you on your demise [roll] I regret to say but its words like that relay make a statement to you view of your fellow mans safety :-\
Some go out to enjoy their machines with safety in mind regardless of the cost of it ,these are the people i want to ride with, not some testosterone filled try hard with no experience trying impress his mates or his women [roll]
I do value your opinion Loony, but in this case i am a little disappointed :'(
no, not really, i don't take things personally but your criticisms are a little out of touch. first and foremost, the big picture looks like this, on the road if you get carried away you could fall off, you could also run wide, say straight into the path of a station wagon with a young family on board, and lets say you're lucky enough to live, mangled, maybe, but you live. now lets say the family wasn't so lucky, the wife in the passenger seat is DOA, the 5year old in the back is a paraplegic and his older sister is so traumatised she goes into shock and needs serious counselling but really, she'll never get over it. They didn't sign up for that, they planned on a nice drive and a picnic with the kids. At the very least, you would have to admit that everyone who attends a track day and intends on participating attends a rider briefing, in that briefing everyone is reminded how dangerous our sport/hobby is, so everyone knows full well what the risks involved are, and that includes being taken down by another rider. those experienced enough to understand the need for bike preperation also have enough experience to spot wobblers and give them a wide berth. As i said previously, marshalls usually spot them and with a kind word suggest maybe a different group. my point is, on a track day everyone shares the risks, everyone goes in the same direction and plays under mutually understood guidelines, that sort of level playing field is a pipe dream on the road. Regardless of anyones motives for doing a track day, and regardless of their skill level, maturity or experience the track is the best place to play and elitist bullshit about who may be worthy to ride with you is a joke. everyone who attends pays the same admission fee, and riders of ALL levels should be encouraged to use the track, to learn the limits of themselves and their bikes.
paul.
Quote from: loony888 on April 01, 2009, 12:44:56 AM
no, not really, i don't take things personally but your criticisms are a little out of touch. first and foremost, the big picture looks like this, on the road if you get carried away you could fall off, you could also run wide, say straight into the path of a station wagon with a young family on board, and lets say you're lucky enough to live, mangled, maybe, but you live. now lets say the family wasn't so lucky, the wife in the passenger seat is DOA, the 5year old in the back is a paraplegic and his older sister is so traumatised she goes into shock and needs serious counselling but really, she'll never get over it. They didn't sign up for that, they planned on a nice drive and a picnic with the kids. At the very least, you would have to admit that everyone who attends a track day and intends on participating attends a rider briefing, in that briefing everyone is reminded how dangerous our sport/hobby is, so everyone knows full well what the risks involved are, and that includes being taken down by another rider. those experienced enough to understand the need for bike preperation also have enough experience to spot wobblers and give them a wide berth. As i said previously, marshalls usually spot them and with a kind word suggest maybe a different group. my point is, on a track day everyone shares the risks, everyone goes in the same direction and plays under mutually understood guidelines, that sort of level playing field is a pipe dream on the road. Regardless of anyones motives for doing a track day, and regardless of their skill level, maturity or experience the track is the best place to play and elitist bullshit about who may be worthy to ride with you is a joke. everyone who attends pays the same admission fee, and riders of ALL levels should be encouraged to use the track, to learn the limits of themselves and their bikes.
paul.
Wow you have obviously taken it to heart [roll] Do you concider your self one of those hooligans ???
Quote from: Dockstrada on April 01, 2009, 01:53:19 AM
Wow you have obviously taken it to heart [roll] Do you concider your self one of those hooligans ???
my god! just how self absorbed are you? [bang] did you even get my point? there's so many new riders around these days you're bound to find a few "hooligans" everywhere. what makes you think the track is just for middle aged wannabe's with expensive toys?
paul.
oh, i can post little faces that roll their eyes too. [roll] [roll] [roll] see?
p.s, i am a middle aged wannabe with expensive toys as well.
Paul,
why do you want these people near you at all? young, inexperienced but arrogant and dangerous (everyyone is the first two but it's the second two thrown into the mix that we are discussing)....I understand your point about getting them off the road and completely agree (it's the reason I held a licence for 7 years before buying a bike, I knew the attitude was all wrong)...
but I also understand Vince's point about not having them next to him on the track either (we have the same 'elitist' attitude in bicycle racing/training - it's not snobbery - it's self preservation of the entire group).
If their attitude and approach is wrong...they shouldn't get the privilege of participation.
Quote from: Spider on April 01, 2009, 02:27:03 AM
Paul,
why do you want these people near you at all? young, inexperienced but arrogant and dangerous (everyyone is the first two but it's the second two thrown into the mix that we are discussing)....I understand your point about getting them off the road and completely agree (it's the reason I held a licence for 7 years before buying a bike, I knew the attitude was all wrong)...
but I also understand Vince's point about not having them next to him on the track either (we have the same 'elitist' attitude in bicycle racing/training - it's not snobbery - it's self preservation of the entire group).
If their attitude and approach is wrong...they shouldn't get the privilege of participation.
i didn't say i wanted them near me, i get nervous watching some guys ride around the streets, i certainly don't want them taking some strange line as i'm about to overtake them at track speeds! but, i have enough experience to steer clear of inexperienced riders and from previous track days the marshalls have been very good at moving them to a group that more suited their ability, and i have no argument about that, for the good of everybody who wants to enjoy their day. that said, i find it galling that vince seems to think they have no place there, because he's worried about their actions affecting him. again, the bottom line is we all pay the same track day fees and we're all aware of the risks to those of us there, the organisers _should_ keep riders of similar skills in similar groups (maybe that's vince' problem? he's in the right group for his skill level) but even if they don't,that's life. and how can they assess a riders arrogance or danger level until they see his behaviour on track? they can't can they. Add to that that riders can and do get thrown out for consistent dangerous behaviour, which i also agree with by the way, some people never learn, but most are ignorant of on track etiquette even after a briefing and the best way to learn is to make mistakes and have them corrected, that's how we all learn, and most of us remember that. most of us.
paul.
both all good points but all im worried about is that neither of my boys here get hurt, so we should just leave it at that ok. [thumbsup]
Quote from: loony888 on April 01, 2009, 03:46:46 AM
Add to that that riders can and do get thrown out for consistent dangerous behaviour, which i also agree with by the way, some people never learn, but most are ignorant of on track etiquette even after a briefing and the best way to learn is to make mistakes and have them corrected, that's how we all learn, and most of us remember that. most of us.
paul.
agreed [thumbsup]
same with a licence...they have access until they consistently do the wrong thing....and then they are eliminated by the road marshalls ( [leo] ) or accident.