Had this research posted on TOB and didn't want to lose it.
Updated it to include the last few races. 2008 Result My prediction
March 9 Losail, Qatar +2.838 -- Stoner Stoner Stoner +
March 30 Jerez, Spain +1.246 Rossi Pedrosa Pedrosa +
April 13 Estoril, Portugal +0.175-- Rossi Lorenzo Rossi x
May 4 Shanghai, China +3.03 -- Stoner* Rossi Stoner x
May 18 Le Mans, France -- Rossi Stoner x
June 1 Mugello, Italy +3.074 -- Rossi Rossi Rossi +
June 8 Catalunya, Spain +0.069 -- Stoner Pedrosa Lorenzo x
June 22 Donington Park, GB +11.768 -- Stoner Stoner Stoner +
June 28 Assen, Holland +1.909s -- Rossi Stoner Lorenzo x
July 13 Sachsenring, Germany Stoner Rossi x
July 20 Laguna Seca, USA +9.865 -- Stoner Rossi Stoner x
August 17 Brno, Czech Republic +7.903 -- Stoner Rossi Stoner x
August 31 Misano, San Marino+4.851s -- Stoner Rossi Stoner x
September 14 Indianapolis, USA Rossi Stoner x
September 28 Motegi, Japan Rossi Rossi
October 5 Phillip Island, Australia +6.763s -- Stoner Stoner Stoner
October 19 Sepang, Malaysia +1.701s -- Stoner Rossi Stoner
October 26 Valencia, Spain Stoner Lorenzo
Red = Stoner 2007 win
Yellow = Rossi 2007 win
* = won race last year but lost 2008
So is it due to Stoner, Stoners Crew, Bike Setup or Rossi getting the Tires he wanted?
Quote from: Ducatiloo on May 19, 2008, 11:00:18 AM
So is it due to Stoner, Stoners Crew, Bike Setup or Rossi getting the Tires he wanted?
All that and more. We can sit here and debate ad nauseam why, but none of us actually know that answer and neither do the teams most likely. But, you also forgot the Yamaha - it's a better bike with a MUCH better engine and a better electronics package.
Quote from: darylbowden on May 19, 2008, 01:52:44 PM
All that and more. We can sit here and debate ad nauseam why, but none of us actually know that answer and neither do the teams most likely. But, you also forgot the Yamaha - it's a better bike with a MUCH better engine and a better electronics package.
This post hurt the Ducati Red of my ego :-[
Both are true as Daryl states IMO. The Duc does have some issues AND the Yamis are dialed in. However, there has only been one race so far that Stoner won last year and didn't win this (China, he finished 3rd this year). It's a long season and the wins will be split among 4 riders at least IMO. So anything can happen. This will be as good a year as 2006 and potentially even better.
Quote from: Ducatiloo on May 19, 2008, 01:56:47 PM
This post hurt the Ducati Red of my ego :-[
Well, I didn't mean it quite that way. I meant that relative to last year's Yamaha. However, I would still say the Yammy is a better bike because all four riders have shown promise on it, while only Stoner has shown any promise on the Duc (and we know that Melandri and even Elias are better riders than their results suggest). I think this is most likely because the Yamaha has the best chassis in GP, but I would still say the Duc has the best engine and they both use Marelli electronics, so that's a toss up.
Quote from: COWBOY on May 19, 2008, 02:05:42 PM
The Duc does have some issues AND the Yamis are dialed in. However, there has only been one race so far that Stoner won last year and didn't win this (China, he finished 3rd this year). It's a long season and the wins will be split among 4 riders at least IMO. So anything can happen. This will be as good a year as 2006 and potentially even better.
I think you are definitely right about that - this year is gonna go down to the wire.
Like I've said all along, Stoner is an amazing rider and he will win races for sure. I just am of the opinion that last year was an anomaly and I think he will be lucky to win 4 races this year (which is still great by any standard, but far shy of last year's total).
Quote from: COWBOY on May 19, 2008, 02:05:42 PM
This will be as good a year as 2006 and potentially even better.
something we can agree on! [beer]
;D
Quote from: darylbowden on May 19, 2008, 02:27:13 PM
I just am of the opinion that last year was an anomaly
Totally true. Not to take anything away from Casey. It's just that with the new tire rule and the move to 800's last season was like no other season. It was certainly a learning experience for a lot of teams......and Michelin.
updated results.
Through these 9 races
Both have 3 wins - Rossi matching his results of last year through these 10 tracks. Stoner is -1 through these 10 tracks.
Rest of the season should be very interesting.
obviously stoner and rossi and pedrosa are the best riders right now in the season and all are on a hot streak, rossi with his crash yesterday but still he is going well.
i have to agree the ducati bike really does look like a beast of a bike that for some reason only stoner can get to go fast, maybe that is a testament to his riding abilities? that bike looks like its barely staying upright coming out of turns yet stoner is managing to throw out insane lap times.
so i would say the bikes right now are pretty equal as far as speed as ducati seems to have worked out for now a way to get at least stoner's bike competitive with the honda and the yamaha, so that they are now on somewhat equal footing.. obviously all 3 of those guys are great riders its going to come down from now on who DOESN"T have mechanicals.
might want to mark the thread as spoilerific, just in case...
Quote from: darylbowden llink=topic=2493.msg32323#msg32323 date=1211232433
I think you are definitely right about that - this year is gonna go down to the wire.
Like I've said all along, Stoner is an amazing rider and he will win races for sure. I just am of the opinion that last year was an anomaly and I think he will be lucky to win 4 races this year (which is still great by any standard, but far shy of last year's total).
After the last round Stoner has now matched his win total through those 10 tracks with 4. The schedule now turns to 5 of his most dominating wins from last year.
Will he pull away or will Rossi and Pedro steal one? I believe if he wins the 5 tracks he won at last year he will repeat regardless of what Rossi/Pedro do behind him.
The wild card here is Indy and the race there could end up being the difference. How cool is that!
I've also added SPOILER to the title to protect those that get confused when they click on a topic marked CURRENT RESULTS from hurting themselves.
Quote from: darylbowden on May 19, 2008, 02:27:13 PMI think he will be lucky to win 4 races this year.
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Quote from: darylbowden on May 19, 2008, 02:27:13 PM
I think you are definitely right about that - this year is gonna go down to the wire.
Like I've said all along, Stoner is an amazing rider and he will win races for sure. I just am of the opinion that last year was an anomaly and I think he will be lucky to win 4 races this year (which is still great by any standard, but far shy of last year's total).
The first post says he already has won 4, the last 3 on the trot.
Quote from: Capo on July 13, 2008, 03:26:20 PM
The first post says he already has won 4, the last 3 on the trot.
The OP updates the opening post after every round.
Quote from: jswledhed on July 13, 2008, 03:28:09 PM
The OP updates the opening post after every round.
That is correct sir.
I wish I was that good predicting races; I wouldn't have to work and I'd have a stable of bikes.
Quote from: jswledhed on July 13, 2008, 02:42:32 PM
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#1. That's hilarious you would pick that because I have that bookmarked under EPIC FAIL at work.
#2. He still has only won 4 (which is a great year and many times enough to win the championship).
#3. Yeah, he probably will win more than 4 (and if he does, congrats cause that's a good year for anyone).
#4. As long as the racing and the championship stay this exciting, I'm gonna be a happy man.
Oh, and someone kick Toni Elias' ass - he ruined what could've been an epic last lap battle between Rossi and Stoner cause he was riding around like Johnny Rock Page in last place not paying attention to the flags. And he almost make the beast with two backsed up Vermuelen too right at the end there...
I just wanted something that would say neener-neener without being taken too seriously. ;) [laugh]
He could go the rest of the season without a win, but don't think that'll happen.
Of course, I thought Melandri was going to really whomp ass this year, too. :P
Quote from: darylbowden on July 13, 2008, 09:10:24 PM
Oh, and someone kick Toni Elias' ass - he ruined what could've been an epic last lap battle between Rossi and Stoner cause he was riding around like Johnny Rock Page in last place not paying attention to the flags. And he almost make the beast with two backsed up Vermuelen too right at the end there...
Actually I don't think it mattered not the Elias didn't have his head up his ass.
Once Rossi got into second he was never able to cut more than .5 second into the lead and never made it stick for a lap. By the last lap Stoner had extended it from 3.5 seconds to just shy of 7 until backing off on the last 1/2 lap winning by 3.6 or so.
Pedrosa would have dominated if he hadn't grabbed too much brake though so Stone's and Rossi both lucked out there points wise.
Quote from: COWBOY on July 14, 2008, 01:14:14 AM
Actually I don't think it mattered not the Elias didn't have his head up his ass.
Once Rossi got into second he was never able to cut more than .5 second into the lead and never made it stick for a lap. By the last lap Stoner had extended it from 3.5 seconds to just shy of 7 until backing off on the last 1/2 lap winning by 3.6 or so.
Pedrosa would have dominated if he hadn't grabbed too much brake though so Stone's and Rossi both lucked out there points wise.
Check this out: http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/xx/2008/MotoGP/GER/RAC/analysis+by+lap.pdf
Now, it might not have made a difference, but Rossi likely would've had the gap down to < 4 seconds if it weren't for this lap (he was on a hot lap til he got held up). Not saying he could've passed him, but he would've prolly had Stoner in sight and we know how much it helps to be able to see the rider you're chasing. Of course, catching Stoner and passing him are two very different things, but it would've been nice to see what battle might have been.
Anyhow, the real point here is you never want to see a backmarker influence the race and if you're putting around like Elias, you damn well better be looking for those flags, especially in those kind of conditions.
OMFG!
Stoner's bike won again!
Quote from: Super T.I.B on July 14, 2008, 03:32:57 AM
OMFG!
Stoner's bike won again!
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
(BTW - ^^ comes from an Aussie ;D)
Quote from: darylbowden on July 14, 2008, 01:30:54 AM
Check this out: http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/xx/2008/MotoGP/GER/RAC/analysis+by+lap.pdf
Now, it might not have made a difference, but Rossi likely would've had the gap down to < 4 seconds if it weren't for this lap (he was on a hot lap til he got held up). Not saying he could've passed him, but he would've prolly had Stoner in sight and we know how much it helps to be able to see the rider you're chasing. Of course, catching Stoner and passing him are two very different things, but it would've been nice to see what battle might have been.
Anyhow, the real point here is you never want to see a backmarker influence the race and if you're putting around like Elias, you damn well better be looking for those flags, especially in those kind of conditions.
5 laps to go and Elias cost him 1.2 seconds according to the announcers on the GP feed. I think that could've have made a serious difference. Whose to say that if Rossi got closer Stoner wouldn't make a mistake from the pressure?
I feel really bad for Hayden. That guy can not get a break this year.
Quote from: Pakhan on July 14, 2008, 08:54:28 AM
I feel really bad for Hayden. That guy can not get a break this year.
no kidding.
but maybe at laguna we'll find out he got a break, of sorts, for next year. or a new red bike anyway.
Quote from: Super T.I.B on July 14, 2008, 03:32:57 AM
OMFG!
Stoner's bike won again!
Yeah, the bike was just lucky that it didn't have a rider making numb nut decisions in the wet, grabbing too much brake in the wet causing it to go down. It was all the bike being super smooth in the wet and maintaining total control. I am quite certain Casey was just asleep on the back for most of the race knowing that the bike was going to do everything right without him. :rolleyes:
Quote from: gm2 on July 14, 2008, 09:44:03 AM
no kidding.
but maybe at laguna we'll find out he got a break, of sorts, for next year. or a new red bike anyway.
Seems Gibernau will be taking the spot on the red bike, at least for the remainder of this year. But I hope Hayden makes it to Duc next year.
BTW did anyone hear about Guintoli on the Duc? He got 6 place in the rain after he lost all TC on the bike within the first 5 laps. That's impressive! [thumbsup]
Quote from: Templar on July 14, 2008, 09:52:06 AM
Yeah, the bike was just lucky that it didn't have a rider making numb nut decisions in the wet, grabbing too much brake in the wet causing it to go down. It was all the bike being super smooth in the wet and maintaining total control. I am quite certain Casey was just asleep on the back for most of the race knowing that the bike was going to do everything right without him. :rolleyes:
Do we need to start a separate thread for everyone who loves to beat the same dead horse?
Quote from: Templar on July 14, 2008, 09:52:06 AM
Yeah, the bike was just lucky that it didn't have a rider making numb nut decisions in the wet, grabbing too much brake in the wet causing it to go down. It was all the bike being super smooth in the wet and maintaining total control. I am quite certain Casey was just asleep on the back for most of the race knowing that the bike was going to do everything right without him. :rolleyes:
sar·chasm ('sär-"ka-z&m) : The giant gulf (chasm) between what is said and the person who doesn't get it.
Quote from: derby on July 14, 2008, 10:02:38 AM
sar·chasm ('sär-"ka-z&m) : The giant gulf (chasm) between what is said and the person who doesn't get it.
Thank you for posting this, I was under the impression you were being serious before I read it. [thumbsup]
Quote from: darylbowden on July 14, 2008, 01:30:54 AM
Check this out: http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/xx/2008/MotoGP/GER/RAC/analysis+by+lap.pdf
Now, it might not have made a difference, but Rossi likely would've had the gap down to < 4 seconds if it weren't for this lap (he was on a hot lap til he got held up). Not saying he could've passed him, but he would've prolly had Stoner in sight and we know how much it helps to be able to see the rider you're chasing. Of course, catching Stoner and passing him are two very different things, but it would've been nice to see what battle might have been.
Anyhow, the real point here is you never want to see a backmarker influence the race and if you're putting around like Elias, you damn well better be looking for those flags, especially in those kind of conditions.
We agree that the backmarker shouldn't be a factor. We just disagree on it's impact.
Rossi took second in lap 9 and never got closer than 2.4 seconds back on lap 10. By lap 18 he's 4.7 seconds back. Even with the disruption the gap grows by a second or more twice in the last 10 laps. 22/23 and 25/26. Elias was only involved once (not sure of which lap.) The race for the most part was run with between a 4.5 and 5.0 gap between them until Stoner eased up on the last 6 laps (1.34s v low 1.33s for the bulk).
Elias or no Elias Rossi didn't have it in him to run Stoner down this race.
BTW Thanks for posting that pdf. That was awesome to read.
Quote from: COWBOY on July 14, 2008, 10:16:07 AM
BTW Thanks for posting that pdf. That was awesome to read.
No problem, you can find them for all the races on motogp.com (just their terrible UI makes everything a PITA to find). After the race has completed, you can click on "results" and then you'll be taken to a page like this: http://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics/2008/GER/MotoGP/RAC and from there they have all the pertinent stats form the race. And, you don't even need to be a member to access the info.
Quote from: Templar on July 14, 2008, 09:52:06 AM
Yeah, the bike was just lucky that it didn't have a rider making numb nut decisions in the wet, grabbing too much brake in the wet causing it to go down. It was all the bike being super smooth in the wet and maintaining total control. I am quite certain Casey was just asleep on the back for most of the race knowing that the bike was going to do everything right without him. :rolleyes:
Huh? Asleep on the back? In the rain? Dude, you need to get your head examined. And please stop doing this [bang] It'll help, trust me.
The back traffic didn't make a difference in my opinion. Stoner was setting most of the fast laps, and each time Rossi gained a half second, Stoner gained .6 seconds. Rossi just had a public tantrum to complete his whiner boy status obligation for the race.
mitt
Quote from: mitt on July 14, 2008, 12:00:05 PM
The back traffic didn't make a difference in my opinion. Stoner was setting most of the fast laps, and each time Rossi gained a half second, Stoner gained .6 seconds. Rossi just had a public tantrum to complete his whiner boy status obligation for the race.
mitt
Must be his tires again... [roll]
Seriously Rossi is as amazing rider, love or hate him. But he needs to put on his big girl panties and grow up. Oh bo hoo I didn't win because bla bla bla. Put up or shut up.
i'm as big a fan of rossi that logic would (imo) dictate. which therefore is pretty big. but i don't really care what he does at the end of the day. like, not personally or emotionally care.
that said, i honestly almost never read him whining or complaining about anything at all. talking about what happened or why he didn't win or what he/they need to do in order to win isn't pregnant doging.
maybe you guys only read the headlines.
Quote from: mitt on July 14, 2008, 12:00:05 PM
The back traffic didn't make a difference in my opinion. Stoner was setting most of the fast laps, and each time Rossi gained a half second, Stoner gained .6 seconds. Rossi just had a public tantrum to complete his whiner boy status obligation for the race.
mitt
Quote from: Ducatiloo on July 14, 2008, 12:57:09 PM
Seriously Rossi is as amazing rider, love or hate him. But he needs to put on his big girl panties and grow up. Oh bo hoo I didn't win because bla bla bla. Put up or shut up.
For the record, I didn't see Rossi make any statement about Elias after the race at all - that was my personal opinion. In fact, if you read Rossi's post-race comments, you'd see the exact opposite of what you are both describing...
"I'm really happy with this result, even if racing in the rain today wasn't quite as much fun as I've had in some of my past races here! For the championship this is very, very important; I made a mistake last week in Assen and today Dani did the same. It's unlucky but this is racing and now we are back in front and this is a very good feeling. Dani is tough and we know he will be back fighting at the front, but sincerely at the moment we need to think about how to catch Casey because he has been very fast now for a few races. Once again here we lost some time during the practice trying to find the right setting and we can't afford to keep doing this. Today we started from the third row and this meant that I had to deal with some confusion at the start and lost some time on the front riders. By the time I got behind Casey my M1 was working very well and I had very good grip with my Bridgestone rain tyres; I felt very confident and I tried hard to push but there was no way to catch him at that stage, so our aim must be to start at the front from now on. Thanks to all my team and engineers; now we have to try to extend this lead in Laguna."Please just make sure your accusations are based on something Rossi (or anyone) actually said...
speaking of put up or shut up did anyone hear Edwards choice words about Michelin?
if anyone is qualified to take michelin to task if/when they need it, it's colin.
Quote from: Ducatiloo on July 14, 2008, 12:57:09 PM
Put up or shut up.
Umm. Isn't he leading the championship right now? And he's won 3 races so far this year... I'd say he's put up plenty - enough to keep him 20 points clear of his closest competitor even after his wreck in Assen.
Quote from: Pakhan on July 14, 2008, 01:15:13 PM
speaking of put up or shut up did anyone hear Edwards choice words about Michelin?
Apparently he wasn't the only one. Dovi was having issues as well and we all know how Dani's day turned out (that should not have wrecked him, he was straight up and down and had just gotten on the brakes).
I guess Michelin felt they needed to repay Bridgestone for the favor last year.
one of these days.... they need to do an IROC type of race where the riders all ride the same bike, same tyres, same everything. only weigh restrictions based on rider weight. make everything the same.
Quote from: bobspapa on July 14, 2008, 01:24:52 PM
one of these days.... they need to do an IROC type of race where the riders all ride the same bike, same tyres, same everything. only weigh restrictions based on rider weight. make everything the same.
Problem with that is that these bikes are developed around a particular rider's style. If you were to do that, the rider whose style most closely matched the one of the person that developed the bike would have a huge advantage.
For instance, Rossi uses an INCREDIBLY hard front tire - one that no one else can ride or wants to ride, but he makes it work because he likes it that way. And Stoner is able to rely on electronics more than others are comfortable doing. Nicky likes the bike to slide, etc, etc.
So, in the end, it would probably prove about nothing, but would make for an exciting race I'm sure.
Quote from: darylbowden on July 14, 2008, 01:08:50 PM
Please just make sure your accusations are based on something Rossi (or anyone) actually said...
The Dr. didn't say anything, he passed Elias and shook his fist at him. That probablely caused him more time than Elias accelerating along with him during his pass.
mitt
Quote from: mitt on July 14, 2008, 01:31:36 PM
The Dr. didn't say anything, he passed Elias and shook his fist at him. That probablely caused him more time than Elias accelerating along with him during his pass.
mitt
he'd already been balked. i think it's perfectly natural to be frustrated with a backmarker not paying attention to the blue flags and yielding track position like they're supposed to.
Quote from: derby on July 14, 2008, 01:38:40 PM
he'd already been balked. i think it's perfectly natural to be frustrated with a backmarker not paying attention to the blue flags and yielding track position like they're supposed to.
CBS either didn't show all of the blocking, or at least I didn't see all of it.
mitt
Quote from: darylbowden on July 14, 2008, 01:16:53 PM
Umm. Isn't he leading the championship right now? And he's won 3 races so far this year... I'd say he's put up plenty - enough to keep him 20 points clear of his closest competitor even after his wreck in Assen.
He has, but Stoner's won 4 with his best tracks ahead of him. I like my horse's chances the rest of the way. Great season so far.
Quote from: COWBOY on July 14, 2008, 01:47:08 PM
He has, but Stoner's won 4 with his best tracks ahead of him. I like my horse's chances the rest of the way. Great season so far.
Man, I like everyone's chances the rest of the way... Stoner, Rossi, Dani, any one of them could win the title and it will likely come down to the last race which is all I could ask for.
Quote from: darylbowden on July 14, 2008, 01:29:58 PM
Problem with that is that these bikes are developed around a particular rider's style. If you were to do that, the rider whose style most closely matched the one of the person that developed the bike would have a huge advantage.
make them ride a Buell ;)
Quote from: bobspapa on July 14, 2008, 01:24:52 PM
one of these days.... they need to do an IROC type of race where the riders all ride the same bike, same tyres, same everything. only weigh restrictions based on rider weight. make everything the same.
We could eliminate a lot of the leg humping without going to a new series if Rossi would just take Melandri's seat next season. He'd then be on the same bike and tires as Stoner and truly be on equal footing. Let the best guy win.
I'd love to see that regardless of who ended up winning.
Quote from: COWBOY on July 14, 2008, 01:56:19 PM
We could eliminate a lot of the leg humping without going to a new series if Rossi would just take Melandri's seat next season. He'd then be on the same bike and tires as Stoner and truly be on equal footing. Let the best guy win.
Or you could put Casey on an M1. That way if he wins it would not only prove who the best rider is it'd prove Casey doesn't need the Duc to win.............
LMAO, another Leg Humper.
Take the short bus to this thread to fit in...
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=7030.0
Quote from: derby on July 14, 2008, 10:02:38 AM
sar·chasm ('sär-"ka-z&m) : The giant gulf (chasm) between what is said and the person who doesn't get it.
Considering the horse manure that all of the Rossisexuals have laid out in the last year about it all being the bike and the tires and not a single one of them, that I have read anyway, giving Casey an ounce of credit at having one of the best GP seasons in history, I would think that my own sarcasm would be recognized. And while the original poster, whom I quoted, gave no indication, nor have they done so since, that they were being sarcastic.
Quote from: Monstermash on July 14, 2008, 10:50:49 AM
Huh? Asleep on the back? In the rain? Dude, you need to get your head examined. And please stop doing this [bang] It'll help, trust me.
And apparently this person doesn't understand the sarcasm in my post.
Quote from: Templar on July 14, 2008, 02:53:04 PM
Considering the horse manure that all of the Rossisexuals have laid out in the last year about it all being the bike and the tires and not a single one of them, that I have read anyway, giving Casey an ounce of credit at having one of the best GP seasons in history, I would think that my own sarcasm would be recognized. And while the original poster, whom I quoted, gave no indication, nor have they done so since, that they were being sarcastic.
Do we need to go through this again and show you all the "respect" that Stoner's has gotten? If you actually had read any of the threads you said you had, you would know that isn't true at all.
Your sarcasm isn't recognized because you came to the party about 10 months too late and decided to give the horse a few more licks for what reason no one knows.
So, just to change the subject a bit, I read somewhere (SOUP I think) that Pedrobot might have blown a hydraulic broken an ankle in his get-off and was questionable for Laguna. Anyone read anything further on that?
Quote from: jswledhed on July 14, 2008, 03:15:13 PM
So, just to change the subject a bit, I read somewhere (SOUP I think) that Pedrobot might have blown a hydraulic broken an ankle in his get-off and was questionable for Laguna. Anyone read anything further on that?
I read the exact same thing. I believe he's seeing his surgeon today to have it looked at and I assume we'll know more by tonight or tomorrow.
Quote from: jswledhed on July 14, 2008, 03:15:13 PM
So, just to change the subject a bit, I read somewhere (SOUP I think) that Pedrobot might have blown a hydraulic broken an ankle in his get-off and was questionable for Laguna. Anyone read anything further on that?
I was just reading that Clicky (http://insidemotorcycles.blogspot.com/2008/07/pedrosa-questionable-for-laguna.html)
Quote from: Ducatiloo on July 14, 2008, 12:57:09 PM
Seriously Rossi is as amazing rider, love or hate him. But he needs to put on his big girl panties and grow up. Oh bo hoo I didn't win because bla bla bla. Put up or shut up.
I would like to apologize for this post, I will look for the truth before posting now. No more National Enq posts from me [thumbsup]
Quote from: COWBOY on July 14, 2008, 02:02:46 PM
LMAO, another Leg Humper.
Take the short bus to this thread to fit in...
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=7030.0
Ok, dude, whatever. In your lust for Stoner you completely missed my point..........
Quote from: darylbowden on July 14, 2008, 01:54:03 PM
Man, I like everyone's chances the rest of the way... Stoner, Rossi, Dani, any one of them could win the title and it will likely come down to the last race which is all I could ask for.
+1
This is shaping up to be a good year. [thumbsup] Now all we can hope for are some serious podium battles at the ends of a few of the last races. ;D
QuoteAfter diagnosis of a fractured wrist & finger and sprained ankle -followed by a small arthroscopic procedure- Dani Pedrosa will make a decision on his involvement in the Red Bull U.S. Grand Prix shortly.
I don't see how he can afford to sit one out, injured or not. With Stoner only a few points away and on a serious hot streak and Rossi in his groove, Pedrobot pretty much
has to ride Laguna to stay in the chase. He's never been strong on the brakes, I wonder how a fubared wrist and finger are going to affect him.
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2008/Pedrosa+Laguna+Seca+participation+verdict+due+before+Wednesday+afternoon (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2008/Pedrosa+Laguna+Seca+participation+verdict+due+before+Wednesday+afternoon)
Quote from: Ducatiloo on July 14, 2008, 03:20:13 PM
I was just reading that Clicky (http://insidemotorcycles.blogspot.com/2008/07/pedrosa-questionable-for-laguna.html)
P-bot had a hell of a wreck - it didn't look like he was ever going to stop sliding.
mitt
Quote from: mitt on July 14, 2008, 04:29:30 PM
P-bot had a hell of a wreck - it didn't look like he was ever going to stop sliding.
mitt
Yeah he did. He and Edwards both went down
hard.
Quote from: mitt on July 14, 2008, 04:29:30 PM
P-bot had a hell of a wreck - it didn't look like he was ever going to stop sliding.
mitt
well, he
did have some help with the stopping part:
(http://forums.13x.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=32912&d=1215978795)
Quote from: derby on July 14, 2008, 04:36:18 PM
well, he did have some help with the stopping part:
(http://forums.13x.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=32912&d=1215978795)
Wow, I hadn't seen that. I don't doubt he broke something hitting that hard and tumbling like he did.
in the replay you can see the exact moment his left hand got broken. he was sliding ok but then it was the first thing that hit the curbing. then he went rag doll.
Quote from: mikeb on July 14, 2008, 04:17:34 PM
Ok, dude, whatever. In your lust for Stoner you completely missed my point..........
I got your point. Stoner's wins (all 13 in the last 26 -27 races) are invalid and he still needs to prove his riding ability to you by winning on a different package. [roll]
Rossi has for 2 years now looked to "even" things with Stoner, tires, pace, electronics, etc. My point was simply that there is a seat open on the Duc team for 2009 and if he wants to truly even things up all he needs to do is take it.
As far as Stoner needing to go to Yamaha to prove something ... [bang]
Quote from: gm2 on July 14, 2008, 04:50:32 PM
in the replay you can see the exact moment his left hand got broken. he was sliding ok but then it was the first thing that hit the curbing. then he went rag doll.
My wife said the exact same thing when she saw the replay. He was doing fine until he hit the curbing.....
Go to this vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac1hejmFE68&feature=related
Right about sec 24 he's sliding on his butt, with his left hand leading *and* on the pavement, and he hits the corner of the grass next to the kitty litter.
Surprised it wasn't worse.
Quote from: gm2 on July 14, 2008, 04:50:32 PM
in the replay you can see the exact moment his left hand got broken. he was sliding ok but then it was the first thing that hit the curbing. then he went rag doll.
Yea as soon as I saw his hand bend like that, I knew it was bad.
Quote from: darylbowden on July 14, 2008, 03:06:30 PM
Do we need to go through this again and show you all the "respect" that Stoner's has gotten? If you actually had read any of the threads you said you had, you would know that isn't true at all.
Your sarcasm isn't recognized because you came to the party about 10 months too late and decided to give the horse a few more licks for what reason no one knows.
[laugh]
that about covers it.
Quote from: COWBOY on July 14, 2008, 04:53:46 PM
I got your point. Stoner's wins (all 13 in the last 26 -27 races) are invalid and he still needs to prove his riding ability to you by winning on a different package. [roll]
Wasn't my point at all.
Quote from: Speeddog on July 14, 2008, 04:54:38 PM
Go to this vid:
you coulda warned us about the soundtrack. :P
Quote from: derby on July 14, 2008, 05:14:43 PM
you coulda warned us about the soundtrack. :P
Sorry, all I heard was just some wah WAH wah wah in the background... what was it?
Quote from: Speeddog on July 14, 2008, 05:20:57 PM
Sorry, all I heard was just some wah WAH wah wah in the background... what was it?
Not good - not really sure how else to describe it.
mitt
Quote from: darylbowden on July 14, 2008, 01:54:03 PM
Man, I like everyone's chances the rest of the way... Stoner, Rossi, Dani, any one of them could win the title and it will likely come down to the last race which is all I could ask for.
I'm with you there. I liked 2006 for that reason. Still don't want the dwarf to win and I wish Lorenzo hadn't almost killed himself 3 or 4 times over (I still think he's the future not Pedro) which would have made this a 4 way battle.
I think Indy though could play a huge role. Even if Stoner wins at the tracks he dominated last year if Rossi finishes second each time that would leave them tied. Valencia will be Pedro's or Lorenzo's IMO. That leaves Motegi and Indy as the open races. Indy having no race data available makes it the wild card.
Quote from: mikeb on July 14, 2008, 04:59:10 PM
Wasn't my point at all.
Quote from: mikeb on July 14, 2008, 02:01:03 PM
Or you could put Casey on an M1. That way if he wins it would not only prove who the best rider is it'd prove Casey doesn't need the Duc to win.............
I've reread this a couple times now and don't see anything here but a backhanded way of saying Casey can't win without the Duc.
I certainly don't want to mislabel someone a leg humper. In an effort to 1st understand rather than be understood please help me with the point you were attempting to make.
Quote from: COWBOY on July 14, 2008, 06:03:53 PM
I've reread this a couple times now and don't see anything here but a backhanded way of saying Casey can't win without the Duc.
I certainly don't want to mislabel someone a leg humper. In an effort to 1st understand rather than be understood please help me with the point you were attempting to make.
That's because you've read too much into it.
My point was if the main charge against him is he can't win on the Duc than how does racing on Ducs shut up the critics?
I was being sincere in my post. I wasn't trying to back hand Stoner.
Quote from: mikeb on July 14, 2008, 06:43:37 PM
That's because you've read too much into it.
My point was if the main charge against him is he can't win on the Duc than how does racing on Ducs shut up the critics?
I was being sincere in my post. I wasn't trying to back hand Stoner.
Fair enough.
Most of the leg humpers er critics on here have assumed/argued that being on equal rubber, electronics or bikes Rossi would win - the Duc is almost secondary to that argument especially this year. With a seat open it is theoretically possible for it to happen and for us to see that argument put to rest and that horse buried. It's not likely as we all know, but one can dream.
Your post came in the wake of 1.5 seasons of that argument - hence the leghumper jab. It's all in good fun anyway so no harm no foul, but I apologize for mislabeling you.
For the newbies to this on going drama carrying over from TOB; for the record I pull for Americans's, Ducs and Rossi in that order. If I had to chose a rider to pull for it would be old man Bayliss. I am ardently anti-excuses and anti-leg humpers though and do enjoy the occasional tweaks and shit talking that racing and race fans engender.
Quote from: COWBOY on July 14, 2008, 05:58:24 PM
Still don't want the dwarf to win and I wish Lorenzo hadn't almost killed himself 3 or 4 times over (I still think he's the future not Pedro) which would have made this a 4 way battle.
Lorenzo's year this year kinda reminds me of Rossi's 2000 season when he crashed a bunch and was just really trying to come to grips with the 500, but still showed flashes of his future greatness. I was really hoping for the 4-way battle to last, but I think that's a bit much to ask of any GP rookie. I agree that he is the future of GP and I'm glad for it 'cause I think he's a nice guy who "get's it."
As for Pedro, much like Stoner, I give him credit for being a great rider/racer (and champion in Stoner's case), but I just don't like them and I don't want to cheer for them. Maybe they need new PR people or maybe they just need to wake up and realize that they race at the absolute pinnacle of the sport and they are two of the best riders on the planet, so maybe a little humility is in order. Either way, Viva la Lorenzo!
Cool we'll get to root for the same guy. Lorenzo has the heart/attitude/confidence of a champion. I hope he lives up to it or probably more accurate, hope he is around to do so.
I just wish Stoners' wife was hotter.
Odd...I don't like Lorenzo...but agree he'll be 'the man' in years to come.
Quote from: COWBOY on July 14, 2008, 07:01:42 PM
Fair enough.
Yeah, no worries. I can see how it could be taken in the wrong way.
I feel for the Stoner fans though. I'm a Nicky fan so I know what it's like when your guy gets no respect.
But rivalries and smack talk are what racing is all about! ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on July 15, 2008, 04:23:34 AM
I just wish Stoners' wife was hotter.
Me too, then all the tongue wagging would make sense to me...
Quote from: darylbowden on July 15, 2008, 08:39:52 AM
Me too, then all the tongue wagging would make sense to me...
you just don't like white girls... adriana isn't "ethnic" enough for ya. ;D
Quote from: derby on July 15, 2008, 09:18:57 AM
you just don't like white girls... adriana isn't "ethnic" enough for ya. ;D
Nah, I just don't like white boys... she's not feminine enough for me ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on July 15, 2008, 04:23:34 AM
Odd...I don't like Lorenzo...but agree he'll be 'the man' in years to come.
+1 I just don't like the guy, but I think he will be in the top 3 next year and is a fantastic rider. I see Dovizioso (sp?) making serious gains next year too. I am disappointed in JT, I had high hopes for him this season.
Quote from: Pakhan on July 15, 2008, 09:57:57 AM
I am disappointed in JT, I had high hopes for him this season.
There's a lot of that going around :(
Quote from: Pakhan on July 15, 2008, 09:57:57 AM
I see Dovizioso (sp?) making serious gains next year too.
esp if he starts wearing black/orange/white leathers.
Quote from: darylbowden on July 15, 2008, 09:33:24 AM
Nah, I just don't like white boys... she's not feminine enough for me ;D
wait'll she hits puberty. she'll probably fill out just fine.
Quote from: derby on July 15, 2008, 10:53:24 AM
wait'll she hits puberty. she'll probably fill out just fine.
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: darylbowden on July 15, 2008, 08:39:52 AM
Me too, then all the tongue wagging would make sense to me...
dude....
diss him all you want.
He
is the reining world champion. ;)
Quote from: ducpainter on July 15, 2008, 06:38:25 PM
dude....
diss him all you want.
He is the reining world champion. ;)
Exactly, he could do a lot better than her.
Quote from: darylbowden on July 15, 2008, 08:08:19 PM
Exactly, he could do a lot better than her.
Well, I think they look good together:
(http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/08/16/svSTONER_wideweb__470x458,0.jpg)
Perhaps he's one of those freaks that thinks looks aren't the most important thing. [roll]
Quote from: Speeddog on July 15, 2008, 08:24:28 PM
Well, I think they look good together:
(http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/08/16/svSTONER_wideweb__470x458,0.jpg)
Perhaps he's one of those freaks that thinks looks aren't the most important thing. [roll]
Why have one when you can have both? Personally (and this may just be me), but I'm glad that I have a girlfriend who is not only beautiful, but also, intelligent, caring and thoughtful. So, I see no reason to eschew one in favor of the others (and I know for a fact you don't either ;) )
Dunno, I think he did just fine.
Not everyone likes the same form...
Maybe she's really good at Scrabble, and that's what's important to him?
He obviously thought that she was a big enough part of his life to marry her.
As long as she makes him happy, that's all that matters.
Quote from: darylbowden on July 15, 2008, 08:08:19 PM
Exactly, he could do a lot better than her.
Picky, picky, picky!
I would crawl a mile over broken glass just to.....nah, I wouldn't do that.
I think she is a very pretty young lady....
What are we supposed to be talking about again?
Oh, that's right, Stoner's bike won again!
I don't believe it!
[cheeky]
Quote from: Speeddog on July 15, 2008, 08:24:28 PM
Well, I think they look good together:
(http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/08/16/svSTONER_wideweb__470x458,0.jpg)
Perhaps he's one of those freaks that thinks looks aren't the most important thing. [roll]
Anyone notice that they wear the same pants size? That's why he loves her: he can borrow her clothes!
QuoteDunno, I think he did just fine
+1
Maybe she's not a supermodel, but she's a pretty young girl. I don't see what the fuss is about.
Stoner taking Laguna again?
Quote from: JesterDFW on July 16, 2008, 04:58:54 AM
Stoner taking Laguna again?
+1. I'll be there tomorrow [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [thumbsup]
Quote from: JesterDFW on July 16, 2008, 04:58:54 AM
Stoner taking Laguna again?
Its quite possible. Maybe even probable given his last three races.
I'm more interested in the Americans though. Particularly Edwards. He, and the Yamaha, are running well this season. He could do well.
Quote from: darylbowden on July 15, 2008, 08:08:19 PM
Exactly, he could do a lot better than her.
what the heck is 'wrong' with her?
Quote from: gm2 on July 16, 2008, 05:54:09 AM
what the heck is 'wrong' with her?
She scores poorly on the Official Bowden Trophy Wife Standard.
<ludicrous race result prediction>
1. Nicky Hayden
2. Casey Stoner
3. Dani Pedrosa
...
...
16. Valentino Rossi
American winner, points race tied up. [thumbsup]
</ludicrous race result prediction>
Quote from: gm2 on July 16, 2008, 05:54:09 AM
what the heck is 'wrong' with her?
Nothing is wrong with her. However, the way people on teh webs talk about her, you'd think he married Gisele Bundchen (sorry, don't know how to type umlauts).
Anyhow, onto more important matters...
1. Edwards
2. Rossi
3. Stoner
4. Hayden
5. Lorenzo
.
7. Spies
.
.
10. Hacking
.
.
.
.
DFL. Melandri (even though he's gone well there in the past, he wrecks a lot at laguna)
I don't think Pedro will race laguna, he might try but a broken finger and broken wrist with a severe ankle sprain might be too much to conquer. This really sucks cause I don't wanna see the championship turn into a 2-horse race. (although the summer break is coming thankfully).
QuoteThis really sucks cause I don't wanna see the championship turn into a 2-horse race. (although the summer break is coming thankfully).
+1
Dani says he'll try, but I just don't know how he'll handle the braking with a broken wrist. Even if he loses more points this weekend, he'll still be in striking distance. The championship isn't gonna turn into a 2 horse race just yet!
Quote from: JesterDFW on July 16, 2008, 02:53:24 PM
+1
Dani says he'll try, but I just don't know how he'll handle the braking with a broken wrist. Even if he loses more points this weekend, he'll still be in striking distance. The championship isn't gonna turn into a 2 horse race just yet!
Yeah, he's already a pretty crappy braker, this isn't gonna help matters.
1. Stoner
2. Hayden
3. Rossi
4 Chris the V
10. Spies
12 Hacking
Colin heartbroken again, Hayden and Rossi fight for 2nd...8 seconds down to Stoner, Jay Leno craps himself riding pregnant dog w/Mamola...
TOB on the race this weekend.
(http://www.newmexiconuts.net/catalog/tumbleweed.jpg)
Quote from: gm2 on July 17, 2008, 04:54:01 AM
it's gonna rain?
He almost won in the dry 2 years ago. If it weren't for his bike, he woulda been sitting pretty.
i think he'll be sitting pretty in WSBK soon enough... ;)
Quote from: gm2 on July 17, 2008, 08:42:34 AM
i think he'll be sitting pretty in WSBK soon enough... ;)
Yep. He can go back to wearing those stupid hats in the WSBK paddock soon enough.
1. stoner
2. hayden
3. rossi
4. spies
5. edwards
Quote from: darylbowden on July 17, 2008, 10:19:50 AM
Yep. He can go back to wearing those stupid hats in the WSBK paddock soon enough.
http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2008/Chris+Vermeulen+aiming+for+another+podium+at+Laguna+Seca (http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2008/Chris+Vermeulen+aiming+for+another+podium+at+Laguna+Seca)
guess I was wrong about Hacking [drink]
Anyone seen Leno yet?
Casey has been christened Casey Moaner in the MCN
Quote from: Capo on July 31, 2008, 01:11:36 PM
Casey has been christened Casey Moaner in the MCN
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Jul/080731a.htm
now he can't make up his mind as to whether it was michelin or ohlins who was sabotaging him in '06. it was someone goddammit!
also can't really decide why he also does the left foot/left corner entry thing. comes up with two reasons then settles on 'i don't know' inside a couple sentences. =)
Quote from: Capo on July 31, 2008, 01:11:36 PM
Casey has been christened Casey Moaner in the MCN
LOL. 2006 and 2007 Rossi put the blame everywhere but himself for his troubles. Despite that he had a chance in 2006 to "own" the poser Hayden and win the championship and he binned it - still doesn't acknowledge Hayden as the real champ. 2007 there are pages of whining, moaning, excuses and arguments here and on TOB. Please go read and share your insights there.
Didn't hear Casey "moaning" or "blaming" anyone this year when the bike wasn't working He consistently praised his team for their hard work, acknowledged they had issues and continually stated he was confident they'd right it and he'd win (many of you here laughed and wrote him off after week 5/6). He didn't question his commitment to (nor future with) his manufacturer or blame anyone outside himself and the team (ahem tires, dorna, the pope, the italian rev service, the paparazzi, etc).
He didn't like how the old lion showed his claws last race. Most young ones don't the first time. Big deal.
Forum Mod. We're so off topic it's not funny. If you could please split the topic at an appropriate point so we can maintain the original purpose of the thread (note, compare and discuss the results between this and last year) and not lose the posts and post Laguna discussion of the past few pages it would be helpful. Thanks.
Quote from: COWBOY on July 31, 2008, 02:56:30 PM
LOL. 2006 and 2007 Rossi put the blame everywhere but himself for his troubles. Despite that he had a chance in 2006 to "own" the poser Hayden and win the championship and he binned it - still doesn't acknowledge Hayden as the real champ. 2007 there are pages of whining, moaning, excuses and arguments here and on TOB. Please go read and share your insights there.
his tires were crap and his motor kept breaking. what do you expect him to say?
on the same tires he's currently 25 points ahead of casey in this year's championship.
fwiw, i distinctly remember rossi owning up to his mistake when he threw it down in '06.
furthermore, can you link me to where rossi says hayden isn't a real champ?
Quote from: derby on July 31, 2008, 03:21:41 PM
....on the same tires he's currently 25 points ahead of casey in this year's championship.
Although a neophyte wrt this topic/thread, I can only feel that the race at Laguna Seca clearly demonstrated the superior rider won. Despite all his efforts, Stoner could not beat Rossi on that track where the faster bike's advantage was neutralized. Furthermore, I suspect that if they ran that race ten more times Rossi would win the vast majority of them...
Quote from: derby on July 31, 2008, 03:21:41 PM
his tires were crap and his motor kept breaking. what do you expect him to say?
on the same tires he's currently 25 points ahead of casey in this year's championship.
fwiw, i distinctly remember rossi owning up to his mistake when he threw it down in '06.
furthermore, can you link me to where rossi says hayden isn't a real champ?
He's up 25 points because Stoner's bike kept breaking at the beginning of the year and Rossi outpointed him, ironic since that's how Rossi lost and you LHs moaned throughout 06 about it. they both have 4 wins. difference between stoner this year and rossi last is stoner didn't threaten to switch teams if it didn't improve, blame his tires, cry to Dorna or make it an issue in the press. to the contrary he tried to deflect it in the press and maintained his confidence that they'd straighten out and he'd win.
the only "whining" this year was following Laguna and that has been beat to death.
I'll still put beer on Stoner winning it this year.
let the "neophyte" leg humping begin.
Quote from: COWBOY on July 31, 2008, 07:38:46 PM
He's up 25 points because Stoner's bike kept breaking at the beginning of the year and Rossi outpointed him.
yup, that's generally the way you end up with more points.
Quote from: COWBOY on July 31, 2008, 07:38:46 PMthey both have 4 wins.
ok
Quote from: COWBOY on July 31, 2008, 07:38:46 PM
difference between stoner this year and rossi last is stoner didn't threaten to switch teams if it didn't improve,
where is he going to go, back to honda?
Quote from: COWBOY on July 31, 2008, 07:38:46 PMblame his tires,
...or switch to michelins? the tire manufacturer that doesn't listen to their top tester (colin) who, when he requests 3 specific sets of tires for the laguna race, gets overruled by tire engineers only to be told after the race that his tires would've been perfect for the conditions.
michelin is doing better than they did last year, but they're nowhere near the powerhouse they were for the previous 2 decades.
Quote from: COWBOY on July 31, 2008, 07:38:46 PMcry to Dorna or make it an issue in the press.
what's dorna have to do with this?
Quote from: COWBOY on July 31, 2008, 07:38:46 PMto the contrary he tried to deflect it in the press and maintained his confidence that they'd straighten out and he'd win.
again, there's not much else he
could say. he's not going to go to another team and he's not going to switch tires.
fwiw, i agree for the most part that "happy, confident casey" has been his public persona... but at the same time, i've seen some very heated moments in the ducati garage that did not look like confidence that they'd just "work it out."
Quote from: COWBOY on July 31, 2008, 07:38:46 PM
the only "whining" this year was following Laguna and that has been beat to death.
...and the loose camera deal in portugal. that might've annoyed me, too, but i doubt i would've blamed the whole race on it.
Quote from: COWBOY on July 31, 2008, 07:38:46 PM
I'll still put beer on Stoner winning it this year.
he just might. at a minimum, i hope he doesn't run away with the last half of the season. that'd make for some really boring races.
i guess you added this while i was composing my previous post...
Quote from: COWBOY on July 31, 2008, 07:38:46 PM
ironic since that's how Rossi lost and you LHs moaned throughout 06 about it.
actually, we didn't... or, at least, the majority of us didn't.
Quote from: COWBOY on July 31, 2008, 07:38:46 PM
He's up 25 points because Stoner's bike kept breaking at the beginning of the year and Rossi outpointed him, ironic since that's how Rossi lost and you LHs moaned throughout 06 about it. they both have 4 wins. difference between stoner this year and rossi last is stoner didn't threaten to switch teams if it didn't improve, blame his tires, cry to Dorna or make it an issue in the press. to the contrary he tried to deflect it in the press and maintained his confidence that they'd straighten out and he'd win.
the only "whining" this year was following Laguna and that has been beat to death.
I'll still put beer on Stoner winning it this year.
let the "neophyte" leg humping begin.
+1. [thumbsup]
Bring it ONNNNN!
I still reckon Stoner's bike/tyres will win this year.
[popcorn]
Quote from: COWBOY on July 31, 2008, 07:38:46 PM
ironic since that's how Rossi lost and you LHs moaned throughout 06 about it.
Show me one post on TOB or elsewhere where I (and I know I'm one of the ones you're referring to) moaned about it. Also, I wanted Hayden to win in '06 and was damn happy when he did. And, for you to compare the issues that Rossi had mechanically in '06 to Stoner's this year is laughable, not even close. If Stoner has 2 more mechanicals this year then we can talk.
Also, FWIW, I consider Stoner a much better rider than Hayden and I like Nicky a lot.
Quote from: derby on July 31, 2008, 03:21:41 PM
furthermore, can you link me to where rossi says hayden isn't a real champ?
Still waiting for this link btw...
Quote from: COWBOY on July 31, 2008, 07:38:46 PM
difference between stoner this year and rossi last is stoner didn't threaten to switch teams if it didn't improve, blame his tires, cry to Dorna or make it an issue in the press. to the contrary he tried to deflect it in the press and maintained his confidence that they'd straighten out and he'd win.
And what about Stoner in '06 where he blamed Ohlins, his team AND Michelin? Now who's playing favorites?
I gotta be honest with you, generally your replies are somewhat even and at least the very least informed, but this time you're coming off like the biggest LH of them all.
Quote from: darylbowden on July 31, 2008, 08:13:33 PM
Show me one post on TOB or elsewhere where I (and I know I'm one of the ones you're referring to) moaned about it. Also, I wanted Hayden to win in '06 and was damn happy when he did. And, for you to compare the issues that Rossi had mechanically in '06 to Stoner's this year is laughable, not even close. If Stoner has 2 more mechanicals this year then we can talk.
First, I've never named names or got personal. If you feel called out - look in the mirror because I haven't done so. The LH remark is a catch all for all the Rossi GOAT boys who can't come to grips when their hero doesn't win. The only one who could possibly feel called out with that comment would be someone else due to our back and forth on TOB, but that isn't my intent here and if he or one of his friends took it that way, I apologize.
To answer your specific question: I just did a quick search (I admittedly only looked at 3 threads) and you are correct in one respect and that is that you were pulling for him. There are also some backhanded compliments from some active in this thread about winning due to consistency rather than by winning races. Those quotes are there for Rossi too. He acknowledged the championship and was a good sport but lucky is still there in more than a few articles, which is why I said "real" champion.
The overriding theme of 2006 was that Rossi was the best rider and that Nicky got "lucky." For anyone to claim that wasn't a story both on the forum and in the media in 2006 is absurd which is why I use it as a point of reference.
QuoteAnd what about Stoner in '06 where he blamed Ohlins, his team AND Michelin? Now who's playing favorites?
Are you seriously equating Stoner's rookie season on a satellite team with less than ideal support to a factory ride and series darling/veteran/icon 6 years in? A better comparison would be Lorenzo as far as performance, crashes, etc goes and as much as I think Lorenzo is the future of the sport Casey stacks up well in that comparison.
QuoteI gotta be honest with you, generally your replies are somewhat even and at least the very least informed, but this time you're coming off like the biggest LH of them all.
Thanks i think for the first part. I try to be as level and fair as I can. My horses aren't really running this race since none of the Americans are placing. I do pull for Stoner over Rossi due to the Ducati team, but I'm far from a Rossi hater (I actually admire his racing and riding very much and enjoy watching him). The anti-Stoner crap does get my goat and the flip flop arguments from year to year drives my sense of fairness nuts. LOL.
If Stoner wins it this year I will admittedly become a LH though if that will make anyone feel better. [beer]
My points are simple -- Rossi fans can't complain about losing due to consistency in 2006 and then say it isn't a factor this year. Rossi fans calling Stoner a whiner after Laguna given 2007 is more than the pot calling the kettle black.
As far as whether the problems with the bike are as severe - it's about the impact on the points. Doesn't matter why mechanically you finished behind just that you have. The clock doesn't care.
Back on the thread's topic -- 4 tracks remain where Ducati/Stoner performed very well. His best tracks still remain in front of him and I like his chances. The rest of the season is going to be interesting.
Cheers
CWBY
P.S. i refered to Dorna due to Rossi and Pedro lobbying Dorna last year.
Quote from: COWBOY on July 31, 2008, 09:31:41 PM
Are you seriously equating Stoner's rookie season on a satellite team with less than ideal support to a factory ride and series darling/veteran/icon 6 years in? A better comparison would be Lorenzo as far as performance, crashes, etc goes and as much as I think Lorenzo is the future of the sport Casey stacks up well in that comparison.
Yes, if only for the reason that Stoner reiterated the blame (on the team and Michelin) in an interview less than 2 weeks ago.
Quote from: COWBOY on July 31, 2008, 09:31:41 PM
Thanks i think for the first part.
As far as whether the problems with the bike are as severe - it's about the impact on the points. Doesn't matter why mechanically you finished behind just that you have. The clock doesn't care.
I do mean that, the sentiment is genuine.
and...
I was talking # of incidents as well as magnitude. In 2006 (I'll have to check this), I'm pretty sure that Rossi had 3 DNFs and a terrible finishing position in another race all due to mechanical issues (both by Yamaha and Michelin).
2006 season results (http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/xx/2006/MotoGP/VAL/world+standing.pdf)
rossi with 3 DNFs, a 14th, a 13th, and an 8th.
nicky's two worst finishes were a DNF and a 9th.
(casey with 7 DNFs)
Quote from: derby on July 31, 2008, 10:49:26 PM
2006 season results (http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/xx/2006/MotoGP/VAL/world+standing.pdf)
rossi with 3 DNFs, a 14th, a 13th, and an 8th.
nicky's two worst finishes were a DNF and a 9th.
(casey with 7 DNFs)
Oh yeah, he was also taken out at Jerez by DePuniet right?
For the most part, this season is just about dead even and I'm excited to see how the end of it plays out. Rossi and Stoner have both fallen off their bikes at different times, but have both rejoined those respective races. They both share victories and Casey has really only had one race where his bike had any true breakage.
I'm a Rossi leg humper, but regardless of how we feel about how Casey rides that Ducati or how the bike squirms/slides/bucks underneath him, he can ride it at a championship level /shrug. Rossi has the racecraft to possibly pull it off, but I expect this to be his crowning achievement if he does end up with the championship this season.
Pedrosa should be back healthy and may play a significant part in the front running of the races. We can't forget about him, regardless if he slipped back in points. Everyone isn't gonna clear out for Stoner and Rossi to duke it out up front.
Its been a solid season for both Rossi and Stoner, with few mistakes and some hard racing. I don't like Stoner personally, or like how his bike works, but it does work and the championship isn't a runaway like last year and shouldn't be unless something crazy happens. We should be thankful for this! [thumbsup]
Bring on Brno.
further off topic, but who cares...
IMO rossi lost in '06 rather than nicky won. but i was damn glad nicky got it.
however you can't be in the position to win unless you put up something like 9 podiums in a season. so i'm half contradicting myself: it was nicky alone who put himself in the position to be able to win. he did win the championship but there was some measure of luck involved. esp after the cobra kai leader gave dani the sweep the leg order in portugal.
rossi's "complaints" in '07 were warranted. so were all the other michelin riders. he was by FAR not the only michelin rider making a lot of noise. but if you're in a position where a fart is going to get you front page paparazzi coverage (7 championships will do this..) and your tires suck AND your bike sucks, be vocal about it. the guy just wants to win. no one can blame him for demanding a package that will let him use his racecraft to do so.
Found on the WERA board...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DUCATI_W0QQitemZ260269037778QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item260269037778
[laugh]
wow Rossi fans will buy anything of his. Is his chewing gum for sale too?
LOL
Quote from: COWBOY on August 01, 2008, 10:32:08 PM
wow Rossi fans will buy anything of his. Is his chewing gum for sale too?
LOL
Rossi chews...
but gum?
seriously...
I'd really like to see Nicky on the Duc.
/bump
bump for what, 50 points? ;)
Since you haven't updated it in a while...
Quote from: COWBOY on May 19, 2008, 10:35:26 AM
Had this research posted on TOB and didn't want to lose it.
Updated it to include the last few races. 2008 Result My prediction
March 9 Losail, Qatar +2.838 -- Stoner Stoner Stoner +
March 30 Jerez, Spain +1.246 Pedrosa Pedrosa +
April 13 Estoril, Portugal +0.175-- Rossi[/color] Lorenzo Rossi x
May 4 Shanghai, China +3.03 -- Stoner* Rossi Stoner x
May 18 Le Mans, France -- Rossi Stoner x
June 1 Mugello, Italy +3.074 -- Rossi Rossi Rossi +
June 8 Catalunya, Spain +0.069 -- Stoner Pedrosa Lorenzo x
June 22 Donington Park, GB +11.768 -- Stoner Stoner Stoner +
June 28 Assen, Holland +1.909s -- Rossi Stoner Lorenzo x
July 13 Sachsenring, Germany Stoner Rossi x
July 20 Laguna Seca, USA +9.865 -- Stoner Rossi Stoner x
August 17 Brno, Czech Republic +7.903 -- Stoner Rossi Stoner
August 31 Misano, San Marino+4.851s -- Stoner Rossi Stoner
September 14 Indianapolis, USA Stoner
September 28 Motegi, Japan Rossi
October 5 Phillip Island, Australia +6.763s -- Stoner Stoner
October 19 Sepang, Malaysia +1.701s -- Stoner Stoner
October 26 Valencia, Spain Lorenzo
Red = Stoner 2007 win
Yellow = Rossi 2007 win
* = won race last year but lost 2008
Oh, and btw Cowboy, I just want to remind you of the $100 AFF bet we have on the championship...
I haven't forgotten. I haven't seen the race yet but thanks to RSS I know the results so I'll hold my comments specific to the race until I do.
The past 3 weeks goes to show though that it's not the fastest rider or bike who wins it is the fastest one that finishes. What a waste - 7 straight poles, 3 wins, 2 podiums and 2 DNF. To quote GM2 a few posts up "I think <insert Stoner> lost it rather than <insert Rossi> winning it....however you can't be in the position to win unless you put up something like 9 podiums in a season." He's only 22 though so you'd think (hope) that he learns from the experience and gets better as a result.
Props to Rossi for finishing races and taking home what is almost a certain championship, but I can't help but think race fans will miss what could have been as far as the battle royal at the end of the season races.
Quote from: COWBOY on September 01, 2008, 01:11:44 PM
Props to Rossi for finishing races and taking home what is almost a certain championship, but I can't help but think race fans will miss what could have been as far as the battle royal at the end of the season races.
Yeah, and it may still be - this is still a ways from over.
Stoner blamed it on his front end and I certainly hope this doesn't put him back where he was in 2006 when he lost confidence in the front end. When he had the confidence, he could run with the best of the best, as soon as he lost it, he was DePunieting all over the place - which is what seems to be happening here.
I really hope he can pull it together, but it's not looking so good at this point.
eurosport coverage had some interesting comments about the bridgestone tire development.
basically, rossi and stoner are using a specific front tire "that works" (for them) and bridgestone has now discontinued development on the tires that everybody else has been using. they apparently figure that if stoner and rossi can get the tire to work, it's up to everybody else to get their bikes to work with the rossi/stoner tire than bridgestone trying to make a tire for everybody's bike.
it makes sense, though i did find that statement kinda funny since stoner has thrown is scooter down the last 3 races in a row.
Well, Stoner would have needed a knobby to save it at Laguna, but the other two binnings were front tire related... whether it was pilot error or bad tires we'll never know.
I think Stoner's just psyched out, needs to back off about 1% and he'll stay on the bike and make it hard on Rossi.
Quote from: Speeddog on September 02, 2008, 11:08:38 AM
needs to back off about 1%
exactly.
i think last year one of the most amazing things he did was not let his success on that bike and what everyone in the world was saying affect his riding. more success you have, the more the expectations go up. this year, with the loss of form early on, then the regaining it, and then the pre-laguna rossi mindmake the beast with two backs, i think he's cracking.
ahem.
[laugh]
"With his championship chances now gone," Stoner could undergo early surgery (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70685)
Quote from: gm2 on September 16, 2008, 12:49:41 PM
"With his championship chances now gone," Stoner could undergo early surgery (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70685)
well, cowboy is at 4 for 14 now... early surgery would
really throw off his predictions. ;D
Quote from: darylbowden on May 19, 2008, 02:27:13 PM
I think he will be lucky to win 4 races this year (which is still great by any standard, but far shy of last year's total).
Hmm. I remember getting some heat from this reply. Maybe I should order up a plate of crow for a few peeps?
"Casey keeps quiet because he doesn't want to be labeled a whiner
How fitting is that quote?
Wow step away from a thread and get hammered....LOL.
As I said on page 10 after Misano, congrats to Rossi. Here's the full text for those unable to find it...
"The past 3 weeks goes to show though that it's not the fastest rider or bike who wins it is the fastest one that finishes. What a waste - 7 straight poles, 3 wins, 2 podiums and 2 DNF. To quote GM2 a few posts up "I think <insert Stoner> lost it rather than <insert Rossi> winning it....however you can't be in the position to win unless you put up something like 9 podiums in a season." He's only 22 though so you'd think (hope) that he learns from the experience and gets better as a result.
Props to Rossi for finishing races and taking home what is almost a certain championship, but I can't help but think race fans will miss what could have been as far as the battle royal at the end of the season races. "
Nothing at Indy changed that so there's not much more to say. Stoner continues to be the fastest rider on the grid, but winning races involves more than fast laps .... like staying on the bike.
Quote from: derby on September 16, 2008, 01:09:26 PM
well, cowboy is at 4 for 14 now... early surgery would really throw off his predictions. ;D
LOL. You wanna throw stones at the record then provide me the link to your
preseason predictions. [evil]
I made and posted my predictions before Qatar and left them up for the full season even the Lorenzo picks....
Stoner actually hurt my hit rate since he won 2 races I picked Rossi to win. Even with Stoner out I can finish batting .333 if Rossi wins in Japan and Lorenzo wins Valencia both good possibilities. I'll take a 1/3 hit rate with the injuries and crashes up front this season.
Quote from: darylbowden on September 16, 2008, 01:15:04 PM
Hmm. I remember getting some heat from this reply. Maybe I should order up a plate of crow for a few peeps?
I looked and the only thing I saw was a sound file and some back and forth with another guy. I'll chime in though...
I'll give you credit not reserved for others in that you called 4 wins early or even before the season and stuck with it. You weren't as confident sounding about it going into Laguna but you stuck to your guns. If he calls it quits you'll be right. If he doesn't you'll probably be wrong. I don't see him crashing on his home track and he is still the fastest (in the dry at least, ahem) going around most of these tracks whether it be on Qualifying or Race Rubber.
Given the context though, you also assumed Rossi would be running the fastest times and riding around the Duc -- not Stoner having his version of 2006 crashing out of the lead in 2 races with 3 second plus leads either. Lucky for you, Unlucky for me. Stoner's not a flash in the pan, 2007 wasn't an aberration and I believe his best riding is still ahead of him. He'll win another title or 2 before he's through.
Quote from: mikeb on September 16, 2008, 04:54:58 PM
"Casey keeps quiet because he doesn't want to be labeled a whiner
How fitting is that quote?
For all your whiner labels I've not heard/read Casey whine once about his front tire or bike or suspension regarding his 2 crashes, which cost him the Championship. He's either taken responsibility or said he doesn't know what happened. That stands in stark contrast to others on the grid...
Celebrate your boys win and hump away but leave that dead horse alone.
Quote from: COWBOY on September 17, 2008, 11:53:42 AM
LOL. You wanna throw stones at the record then provide me the link to your preseason predictions. [evil]
i didn't call 'em race by race, but i
did say stoner wouldn't repeat and rossi on stones would better him.
Quote from: derby on September 17, 2008, 12:15:38 PM
i didn't call 'em race by race, but i did say stoner wouldn't repeat and rossi on stones would better him.
A fanboy predicted his GOAT would win --- no way! Seriously dude if that's the best you got, just stop. Don't throw 4/14 stones if you're not even in the game....
Rossi has his "Hayden" championship. Stoner has his "Rossi 06" season. We'll see next year.
QuoteStoner's not a flash in the pan, 2007 wasn't an aberration and I believe his best riding is still ahead of him. He'll win another title or 2 before he's through
I agree with that, and I haven't seen anyone on the grid disagree with Stoner being the fastest rider. However, I do think Stoner's approach to riding is the reason he fails, and also wins. I think it will be the difference in him retiring with 2-4 titles instead of more.
He pushes the limit past being smart at times, and while it takes him to dominating victories, it also fails him when there is no reason to push quite as hard as he's pushing. The other riders on the grid have eluded to that about Casey, such as when Hayden remarked he doesn't understand how Stoner doesn't crash more due to pushing his bike at 100% limit all the time. There are so many times his bike is sideways or on the brink of crashing, and he doesn't.... unfortunately the law of averages caught him this year. He plays with fire, and it will burn you such as his time with Honda, and at the end of this season. He'll string some more stretches together and take a few more championships, but I think his style will also lead to a few more lost championships as well.
Hayden taught us one thing with his championship run. First place doesn't always win you top prize in racing. Consistent finishing is usually more important.
Quote from: JesterDFW on September 17, 2008, 12:36:11 PM
I agree with that, and I haven't seen anyone on the grid disagree with Stoner being the fastest rider. However, I do think Stoner's approach to riding is the reason he fails, and also wins. I think it will be the difference in him retiring with 2-4 titles instead of more.
He pushes the limit past being smart at times, and while it takes him to dominating victories, it also fails him when there is no reason to push quite as hard as he's pushing. The other riders on the grid have eluded to that about Casey, such as when Hayden remarked he doesn't understand how Stoner doesn't crash more due to pushing his bike at 100% limit all the time. There are so many times his bike is sideways or on the brink of crashing, and he doesn't.... unfortunately the law of averages caught him this year. He plays with fire, and it will burn you such as his time with Honda, and at the end of this season. He'll string some more stretches together and take a few more championships, but I think his style will also lead to a few more lost championships as well.
Hayden taught us one thing with his championship run. First place doesn't always win you top prize in racing. Consistent finishing is usually more important.
He's also 22 in the early stages of his career. Age and experience tend to temper some of that.
Quote from: COWBOY on September 17, 2008, 12:29:58 PM
A fanboy predicted his GOAT would win --- no way!
fanboy? hardly.
Quote from: COWBOY on September 17, 2008, 12:29:58 PM
Seriously dude if that's the best you got, just stop. Don't throw 4/14 stones if you're not even in the game....
Rossi has his "Hayden" championship. Stoner has his "Rossi 06" season. We'll see next year.
lighten up, francis... if you can't take a little ribbin', don't put yourself out there. ;D
Quote from: derby on September 17, 2008, 12:56:57 PM
fanboy? hardly.
lighten up, francis... if you can't take a little ribbin', don't put yourself out there. ;D
Was just a lighthearted bar room smackdown no harmful intent here junior. I just didn't like any of the available smileys....
Fanboy was a general statement although from our posts most would say it applies to each of us respectively. LOL.
I'm a Cubs fan too and have been predicting the Cubs world championship every spring since 1978. I've been wrong every year but this one....
Quote from: COWBOY on September 17, 2008, 12:29:58 PM
A fanboy predicted his GOAT would win --- no way! Seriously dude if that's the best you got, just stop. Don't throw 4/14 stones if you're not even in the game....
Rossi has his "Hayden" championship. Stoner has his "Rossi 06" season. We'll see next year.
Hardly a Hayden championship. Rossi won 7 so far, and Hayden in 06? Apple and oranges my friend.
Stoner is classic Kevin Schwantz. He rides the hell out of that bike and he pushes it to the absolute limit. Unfortunately, a lot of the time, he also goes past the limit and ends up crashing. He got his title, he MAY get one more, but he'll never be a Doohan, a Rossi, or a Rainey because he simply can't control himself.
Quote from: darylbowden on September 18, 2008, 08:19:56 AM
Stoner is classic Kevin Schwantz.
i've never thought about it that way but that is spot on.
Quote from: darylbowden on September 18, 2008, 08:19:56 AM
Stoner is classic Kevin Schwantz. He rides the hell out of that bike and he pushes it to the absolute limit. Unfortunately, a lot of the time, he also goes past the limit and ends up crashing. He got his title, he MAY get one more, but he'll never be a Doohan, a Rossi, or a Rainey because he simply can't control himself.
[clap]
QuoteStoner is classic Kevin Schwantz. He rides the hell out of that bike and he pushes it to the absolute limit. Unfortunately, a lot of the time, he also goes past the limit and ends up crashing
Going back to my opinions on Stoner, and Cowboy's response that age and experience will ultimately temper Stoner's riding style. If Stoner tempers his style, then he falls back those tenths to the other front runners, i.e. Rossi, Pedrosa, Lorenzo, etc. At that point, I don't think he comes out of the battles often enough to take championships. His approach is, "well I'll just go faster and they won't catch me." There is only so far you can push the bike.
Stoner's greatest gift is his ability to turn what I loosely term qualifying pace for an entire race. Qualifying pace is run on the ragged edge. High risk, high reward. I think he maintains his style, but it will also be the reason he'll never ascend to true greatness. He'll be looked back upon as "damn that dude was fast, but could have done so much more with his talent."
My 2 cent pieces.
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45028000/jpg/_45028639_stonergetty203.jpg)
Quote from: JesterDFW on September 18, 2008, 09:37:17 AM
Going back to my opinions on Stoner, and Cowboy's response that age and experience will ultimately temper Stoner's riding style. If Stoner tempers his style, then he falls back those tenths to the other front runners, i.e. Rossi, Pedrosa, Lorenzo, etc. At that point, I don't think he comes out of the battles often enough to take championships. His approach is, "well I'll just go faster and they won't catch me." There is only so far you can push the bike.
Stoner's greatest gift is his ability to turn what I loosely term qualifying pace for an entire race. Qualifying pace is run on the ragged edge. High risk, high reward. I think he maintains his style, but it will also be the reason he'll never ascend to true greatness. He'll be looked back upon as "damn that dude was fast, but could have done so much more with his talent."
My 2 cent pieces.
lets not get crazy here. I said temper it down not roll off the throttle. What I meant was he'll learn to manage his races and improve his racecraft. For instance, when you're up by 3 plus seconds with half the race left you need to maintain your already killer pace not find another .3 by pushing it.
One thing that's certainly changed is at least y'all are acknowledging that the kid can ride like a bat out of hell as opposed to claiming he's along for the ride. LOL.
Quote from: NAKD1 on September 18, 2008, 08:11:57 AM
Hardly a Hayden championship. Rossi won 7 so far, and Hayden in 06? Apple and oranges my friend.
Right year wrong perspective/argument, LOL. It has more to do with being defaulted wins as opposed to being the fastest rider. (ie Rossi/Hayden 06).
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Quote from: COWBOY on September 18, 2008, 10:30:34 AM
One thing that's certainly changed is at least y'all are acknowledging that the kid can ride like a bat out of hell as opposed to claiming he's along for the ride. LOL.
I don't think that was ever a question. Everyone knows the kid can ride like hell, but that doesn't mean his bike/tires combo wasn't MUCH better than many others on the grid as well (talking last year here) - they aren't mutually exclusive.
However, while he may be a great rider, he has yet to prove that he's a very good racer. When he can win going away he's fine, when he has to battle we've seen what happens.
If he can somehow pull himself back off the ledge just enough so that he isn't crashing, but not so much that he can't keep up and then also learn some better racecraft, he has a chance to win some more.
Do I think he can do all that? No. He'll win races, MAYBE another championship, but no more than that (which is still a hell of an accomplishment by any means).
Quote from: COWBOY on September 18, 2008, 10:30:34 AM
One thing that's certainly changed is at least y'all are acknowledging that the kid can ride like a bat out of hell as opposed to claiming he's along for the ride.
"we" acknowledged that many, many times.
I love revisionist history. [laugh]
it's all good at least you are getting there. for a little insight into how the paddock views his skills (in line with most on the edge comments here) watch the video on nickyhayeden.com where he talks about teaming up with Casey. "nobody can ride the edge longer or better than Casey. Yeah it bites him sometimes, but he certainly gets the most out of the bike." Go to around the 40 second mark of the 4th clip here http://www.nickyhayden.com/index.cfm/p/video
yeah, i don't see a Doohan type legacy (5 titles) but tying Rainey (3 titles) is a possibility.
Of course in 2009 he'll have to first beat Nicky, yo. <hat too big smiley inserted >
(http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=1625;type=avatar)
Quote from: COWBOY on September 18, 2008, 11:12:05 AM
I love revisionist history. [laugh]
How is that revisionist? Do you really need me to quote all of the times it has been stated (IN THIS VERY THREAD EVEN!) ?
I understand that you need to have someone to try and make look like the bad guy, but right now your credibility is up there with Ken Lay.
Quote from: COWBOY on September 18, 2008, 11:12:05 AM
I love revisionist history. [laugh]
i know this is all in good fun-poking... but show me, here or TOB, where i ever said it was strictly
...oh, nevermind. [thumbsup]
i'm also super excited about nicky. Marco agrees, too. (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/mcn/2008/September/15-21/sep1808-melandri-backs-hayden-at-ducati/)
Quote from: darylbowden on September 18, 2008, 11:17:02 AM
How is that revisionist? Do you really need me to quote all of the times it has been stated (IN THIS VERY THREAD EVEN!) ?
I understand that you need to have someone to try and make look like the bad guy, but right now your credibility is up there with Ken Lay.
credibility? bad guys? make the beast with two backs dude you looking for someone on the grassy knoll??? [laugh]
(http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/4018/hulkavl3.jpg)
Quote from: COWBOY on September 18, 2008, 11:23:46 AM
credibility? bad guys? make the beast with two backs dude you looking for someone on the grassy knoll??? [laugh]
In order for you to play your role of "good guy," you need a "bad guy" or you would just be a "guy."
Credibility in that your arguments, while I may not agree with them sometimes, are at least based in reality (for the most part ;) ). When you make shit up, it makes people like me, who enjoy bench racing with you, just kinda deflated and it loses the enticement for dialogue. Kinda like "what's the point if he's gonna beat a horse that died 1.5 years ago?"
Quote from: darylbowden on September 18, 2008, 11:32:28 AM
In order for you to play your role of "good guy," you need a "bad guy" or you would just be a "guy."
Credibility in that your arguments, while I may not agree with them sometimes, are at least based in reality (for the most part ;) ). When you make shit up, it makes people like me, who enjoy bench racing with you, just kinda deflated and it loses the enticement for dialogue. Kinda like "what's the point if he's gonna beat a horse that died 1.5 years ago?"
If we're role playing let me tell you right now in no uncertain terms I am not playing the role of the nurse, french maid or towel boy... you're on your own there.
I will also always be the "guy" so ........ [cheeky]
OK serious face now......LOL
As far as credibility and being deflated.
1. "revisionist history" was tongue in cheek hence the laughter.. [laugh]
2. the first comment "bat out of hell" was a real comment acknowledging that many (didn't name names so if you feel slighted there look in the mirror first -- you did call him an amazing rider on page 1 right?) have come a long way in how they view the "lucky SOB." Shows that there is a capacity for growth and evolution of thought on DMF - who'd have thought ;D
3. If you don't beat a dead horse you'll never make glue. [evil]
Lighten up man. You're favorite rider has all but clinched the Championship. The most popular American rider is now on our favorite brand of bike. You have much to be happy about. If the glass isn't half full for you right now then it will never be.
[beer]
Quote from: COWBOY on September 18, 2008, 11:38:16 AM
Lighten up man. You're favorite rider has all but clinched the Championship. The most popular American rider is now on our favorite brand of bike. You have much to be happy about. If the glass isn't half full for you right now then it will never be.
Not until Ben Spies is MotoGP champion on an Ilmor ;)
Time to reminisce.....
http://www.ducatimonster.org/forums/racing-track-days/177052-2008-motogp-predictions.html
http://www.ducatimonster.org/forums/racing-track-days/183658-who-will-finish-higher-2008-motogp-championship-rossi-stoner.html
How did you compare?
http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/xx/last/MotoGP/world+standing.pdf
So, here was my prediction from that old thread:
QuoteI think they'll both be top 5, but I think it will be Rossi, Pedro, Lorenzo, Stoner, Hopkins. How's that for a prediction?
And here's reality as of now:
1. Rossi
2. Stoner
3. Pedro
4. Lorenzo
.
.
.
17. Hopkins
So, I wasn't all THAT far off at all (except for Hopkins' pathetic ass - I shoulda known better than to ever trust in him) and if Stoner has surgery, there's a very good possibility I'll nail the top 4. I rule.
On another note: How am I a premium member over there? I never was a titanium member and I haven't even logged in once since VS took over.
Quote from: darylbowden on September 18, 2008, 12:50:33 PM
So, here was my prediction from that old thread:
And here's reality as of now:
1. Rossi
2. Stoner
3. Pedro
4. Lorenzo
.
.
.
17. Hopkins
So, I wasn't all THAT far off at all (except for Hopkins' pathetic ass - I shoulda known better than to ever trust in him) and if Stoner has surgery, there's a very good possibility I'll nail the top 4. I rule.
On another note: How am I a premium member over there? I never was a titanium member and I haven't even logged in once since VS took over.
What I find very funny is that I predicted JT would be doing better and you said he wouldn't make the
TOP 11 and right now he's 12th [laugh] [clap]
QuoteI'd be happy with that. I'd also be happy with the Americans on the grid kicking some ass. I wouldn't even mind seeing Rossi return to the top. Since it's been 3 years now (2 seasons) it qualifies as a comeback story and who can't help but pull for the underdog.
As far as predictions go
4 things IMO that will lend themselves to a great year of racing...
1. Honda and Yamaha redoubling their efforts given Ducati's success,
2. Rossi either being completely focused or completely insane (depending on how you read the shaved head look -- be like Mike or is it Britney?)
3. An influx of top flight new talent -- Lorenzo, Toseland, et al.
4. The tire tech battle -- Michelin should be investing heavily and Bridgestone won't give anything back willingly.
Top 10 Stoner, Rossi, Hayden, Lorenzo, Pedro, Melandri, Hopkins, DePuniet, Toseland, Capirossi
Results
1. Yamaha -- yes. Honda -- work in progress
2. completely focused
3. new talent has been very solid
4. big let down. Michelin has all but folded, losing Pedro in process. Spec Tire for 2009?
Top 10
4 out of 5 for top 5 isn't bad. let's not look at the rest though, lol. other than hayden my 6-10 riders are 11-17 LOL.
I highlighted a piece of the quote to prove I'm a fan of good racing; Rossi included...
Quote from: Pakhan on September 18, 2008, 01:09:19 PM
What I find very funny is that I predicted JT would be doing better and you said he wouldn't make the TOP 11 and right now he's 12th [laugh] [clap]
HA! I missed that. Damn, if it weren't for my Hopkins gaffe, I'd be anointing myself the king of racing ESP.
Quote from: darylbowden on September 18, 2008, 12:50:33 PM
On another note: How am I a premium member over there? I never was a titanium member and I haven't even logged in once since VS took over.
They made all existing members premium members for a certain period of time...not sure how long it lasts.
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I think he will be lucky to win 4 races this year (which is still great by any standard, but far shy of last year's total).
Quote from: darylbowden on September 16, 2008, 01:15:04 PM
Hmm. I remember getting some heat from this reply. Maybe I should order up a plate of crow for a few peeps?
;D
Quote from: derby on September 16, 2008, 01:09:26 PM
well, cowboy is at 4 for 14 now... early surgery would really throw off his predictions. ;D
Glad he didn't have surgery.
I'm 6 for 16 now (37.5%).
if Stoner and then Lorenzo can pull through in the last 2 races I can up that to 8 for 18 (44.4%).
Interesting prerace article btw if you haven't seen it.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24438507-39478,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24438507-39478,00.html)
Highlights include
-- Rossi claims Stoner is his toughest competitor even over Sete.
-- Ducati is already testing a "revolutionary" bike with a carbon fibre frame for 2009.
-- The GP9 has been in testing since June and Stoner asked to race it this year but they opted not to.
-- Rossi's goal is (was) to win 11 races matching his career best
-- Rossi claims to be fitter and faster than he has ever been.
Quote from: COWBOY on October 05, 2008, 12:57:41 PM
;D
Even if he won the last two races, my predictions would still be light years ahead of yours ;)
Wow get called for prematurely making Crow pies and get cranky about it.... i keed, i keed so relax.
And light years? :o
Actually if he wins the next 2 races we will be exactly the same in our wrongness.
10 - 7 = 3
7 - 4 = 3
[thumbsup]
Quote from: COWBOY on October 05, 2008, 01:27:16 PM
-- Rossi claims Stoner is his toughest competitor even over Sete.
-- Ducati is already testing a "revolutionary" bike with a carbon fibre frame for 2009.
-- The GP9 has been in testing since June and Stoner asked to race it this year but they opted not to.
-- Rossi's goal is (was) to win 11 races matching his career best
-- Rossi claims to be fitter and faster than he has ever been.
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[cheeky]
Quote from: gm2 on October 06, 2008, 08:23:10 AM
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[cheeky]
Nice. Share an article from GP weekend and get trashed for summing it up.
The GP9 has been discussed here that's true. BUT
-- The Rossi quotes are all new.
-- I had not read elsewhere that Stoner had requested to use the bike this year at the midway point.
-- The fact the bike is far enough along in dev and settings that they even considered it is also new.
Thanks for sharing though ...
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[cheeky] [bacon]
Quote from: COWBOY on October 06, 2008, 09:58:00 AM
Nice. Share an article from GP weekend and get trashed for summing it up.
The GP9 has been discussed here that's true. BUT
-- The Rossi quotes are all new.
-- I had not read elsewhere that Stoner had requested to use the bike this year at the midway point.
-- The fact the bike is far enough along in dev and settings that they even considered it is also new.
Thanks for sharing though ...
(http://utopiagaming.org/WebPics/ScottsPics/asshole.jpg)
NOW, who's getting all defensive?
What is that you always say?
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Quote from: darylbowden on October 06, 2008, 10:09:38 AM
NOW, who's getting all defensive?
What is that you always say?
Actually it (the a hole comment) was in good fun. You just replied before I could get the cheeky bacon smileys added.
Besides I wanted to show I could attach a funny image too. LOL.
i'm not sure asshole is really in good fun. but i wasn't trashing you; hence the cheeky smiley thingamabob. and i was following your lead from many other threads, which daryl already alluded to.
Quote from: gm2 on October 06, 2008, 10:16:36 AM
i'm not sure asshole is really in good fun. but i wasn't trashing you; hence the cheeky smiley thingamabob. and i was following your lead from many other threads, which daryl already alluded to.
if cheeky smiley thingamabobs equate to a good natured jab then that's the intent. The tone is more that of a bar conversation with a friend as opposed to a debate with a foe.
following my lead? In what way?
Quote from: COWBOY on October 06, 2008, 10:21:04 AM
The tone is more that of a bar conversation with a friend as opposed to a debate with a foe.
ok, cool. [drink]
800cc Era of MotoGP
Stoner 17 wins out of 36 races. (11,6)
Rossi 13 wins out of 36 races. (4,9)
Rest of the Field 6 wins out of 36 races.
Looking forward to 2009
Go Nicky, Go Casey, Go Ducati!!
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Quote from: COWBOY on October 27, 2008, 10:20:03 AM
800cc Era of MotoGP
Stoner 17 wins out of 36 races. (11,6)
Rossi 12 wins out of 36 races. (3,9)
Rest of the Field 9 wins out of 36 races.
Looking forward to 2009
Go Nicky, Go Casey, Go Ducati!!
I thought Rossi won 4 races in 07 (SPA, ITA, NED and POR) making it 13 to 17.
I really hope next year we have more races like Laguna (with Stoner winning [cheeky]), and less like Valencia (omg what a snooze) I'm almost ready to give up and watch WSBK even with Bayliss being gone!
thanks for spotting that.
i have a broken color link on the front. i counted 3 yellows and missed portugal which is the broken one.
post above updated.