hey guys, I got a friend of mine and me that are gonna do a trackday with ridesmart on the 27th at MSR in cresson, just the normal 1.7 CC. So I wanted to see if anyone else is interested in going... its only 120 bucks...
I'd like to but it's Family Vacation weekend. Sorry.
I'm planning on one Aug 1 or 15 at ECR. Keep the date open if you can.
Steve
well family is always good (in some cases)
ya well you'll have much more fun there... ECR is awwwwwesome...
unfortunately, im a broke college student, and im barely luckily able to clear this one but think I earned this one.
There's a chance I might be there schedule permitting. What level are you signing up for? If I do it, I will likely be in Level 3/4 (in Ty's class).
I met you at the AMS Track Day in October. I was riding in Intermediate with my Yellow/Red 748. We talked about CMRA.
Quote from: JamesMcCain on June 11, 2009, 03:47:12 PM
hey guys, I got a friend of mine and me that are gonna do a trackday with ridesmart on the 27th at MSR in cresson, just the normal 1.7 CC. So I wanted to see if anyone else is interested in going... its only 120 bucks...
Where can I find out more details - begin/end times, rider levels, requirements (other than $120), etc.?
Thanks.
George
http://ridesmart.info/ (http://ridesmart.info/)
Quote from: cm on June 13, 2009, 06:57:30 AM
There's a chance I might be there schedule permitting. What level are you signing up for? If I do it, I will likely be in Level 3/4 (in Ty's class).
I met you at the AMS Track Day in October. I was riding in Intermediate with my Yellow/Red 748. We talked about CMRA.
hey CM, ya I remember talking to you about all that... did you ever do the LSTD racer licenses class?
umm normally I do expert, but if its like "CMRA" expert as suppose to "novice" racers I'd do amateur because I dont want to feel like I just started off on a bike... so I signed up for level 2, and I'm only hoping/assuming that if its a bit to little for me they'd let me move up? (like I said I dunno, I've never done a ridesmart before)
but you should definitely come out it'll be a blast, I need some more duc's to go to make it feel like a AMS track day.
Quote from: GeorgeInDallas on June 13, 2009, 07:11:43 AM
Where can I find out more details - begin/end times, rider levels, requirements (other than $120), etc.?
Thanks.
George
as slag said check out the website, but I'd really sign up pretty soon because ridesmart does sell out and that be a horrible reason not to make it... I dunno what there refund policy like, but hopefully there nice about it... me and a buddy already signed up... and I think another ducati rider will be out there as well.. the more the better.
James- I did end up getting my CMRA Prov Nov licence. Did my first raceday at TWS in April (4th out of 12 in Formula 2 and 11th out of 17 in Lightweight Twins) and also got one Cornerworking day out of the way. I'm taking my time this year and will try to run more next year (though I will be Endurance racing also with several friends). I bought 2 SV650 racebikes (proper race efforts always have a 2nd bike :)...came in handy in rain/dry conditions) for CMRA and most trackdays.
I do still track the Duc but at the last AMS trackday in late May, I got hit by a 1098 attempting a pass from my blindside at Buzzard's neck in Cresson as I was doing a slow lap following another rider to give them feedback. After getting my first experience getting ejected in front of my bike (brake lever got hit during collision), the bike is now with Randy/Lisa at Motopia waiting on a few things (fairing repair, weld repair for right rearset, and new tires). Key advice I would give anyone on trackdays - it is not a race and the rider attempting the pass needs to have their bike under control at all times especially when the rider in front cannot see them. If in doubt, don't pass and wait another corner... Everyone came out reasonably ok but the expense and hassle were really unnecessary considering there were 8 bikes on track that day...
Ridesmart days are cheap and the price you pay is that it will be crowded and you will have a more diverse crowd. Motorcycles attract certain personalities that don't exactly listen to instruction and guidelines well and you'll see it the most at RS because of the large group size. The AMS trackday had about 20 bikes per group. Ridesmart will run 35-40 bikes per session at Cresson. I do the RS events for experience in tight quarters and to do Ty Howard's class so just know what you are getting into. Level 2 is the craziest group because of the variance in skill. If you can hold a line (and you have a CMRA licence), you should be in Level 3/4. The fact that others are faster shouldn't be a factor on a trackday. From what I remember at the AMS day, you were already faster and more experience than the Intermediate group you rode with for most of the day. You'll be fine in Level 3/4.
LSTD is doing a school at Cresson on Friday, 7/10 also (and it'll be Clockwise so it'll be even more fun). Also, for those with trackday experience, ECR will have a bike-only Member Day on Thu, 7/2. Those interested, PM me. It's a small group of people (probably will have less than 20) and we will have the track to ourselves the whole day (probably at least 6-7 30-minute sessions).
very cool/good to hear... about CMRA that is...
and sorry to hear about the highside... thats how I ended my CRMA last season by a highside...
well hopefully if it is that bad I'll move up... another reason I stay low is to prevent me from making it a competition against myself and others, I'm just gonna fart around track, not set lap records...
I wish I could do more but w/o a job and full-time summer school it'll be ruff to even get this done....
CM,
I hate reading that. People who pull bullshit moves like that should be banned from track days. That is how people get hurt.
Several members of this board said that they would not do the RideSmart days because the AMS days are much safer due to the caliber of the people who attend them. I think that this incident highlights their ignorance on the subject. I have not been to an AMS track day entirely because of the elitist attitude of some of the attendees. I have never had a bad day at ridesmart.
These are just my personal opinions. I'm sure that many of you will think that I am full of shit.
I'm sorry, but this story really irritates me.
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Quote from: Slag on June 13, 2009, 10:16:53 AM
CM,
I hate reading that. People who pull bullshit moves like that should be banned from track days. That is how people get hurt.
Several members of this board said that they would not do the RideSmart days because the AMS days are much safer due to the caliber of the people who attend them. I think that this incident highlights their ignorance on the subject. I have not been to an AMS track day entirely because of the elitist attitude of some of the attendees. I have never had a bad day at ridesmart.
These are just my personal opinions. I'm sure that many of you will think that I am full of shit.
I'm sorry, but this story really irritates me.
If you've never been to an AMS trackday, how are you aware of elitest attitudes? I've been to a handful of AMS days and everyone was as kind and helpful as can be. I'm not sure what you're referring to. /shrug
Sorry Jester, guess I wasn't clear on that part. I was referring to a thread that was on here 6 or 8 months ago where people were slamming ridesmart and Japanese motorcycle riders. Sorry about that. I will try to find it when I get home. PITA on the iphone.
As they say in Jamaica... No Problem [thumbsup]
I just didn't want the folks that attend AMS days to get a bad rap. I haven't really run across anyone unpleasant to be around on those days. :)
Cool! Thanks man. Wasn't trying to say that at all! [thumbsup]
Quote from: Jester on June 13, 2009, 12:15:57 PM
As they say in Jamaica... No Problem [thumbsup]
I just didn't want the folks that attend AMS days to get a bad rap. I haven't really run across anyone unpleasant to be around on those days. :)
speak for yourself, I never liked you. [evil]
can you attend this track day w/ the rest of us?
That would be a negative sir. I'm up to my ears at the moment. I've got the trackday at the end of July pegged as a possibility. This is a tough year all around.
I went to the May 31st Ridesmart trackday for the first time. It was pretty crowded but I still enjoyed it. I wasnt sure about the skill level of the classes. I did the level 1 but probably will do level 2 on the July 27th event. I heard from one of the instructors that the events that go deeper into the summer tend to get less people due to heat. I guess we will see. Me and my step father Stuart will be there so I look forward to seeing you guys.
QuoteI went to the May 31st Ridesmart trackday for the first time. It was pretty crowded but I still enjoyed it. I wasnt sure about the skill level of the classes. I did the level 1 but probably will do level 2 on the July 27th event. I heard from one of the instructors that the events that go deeper into the summer tend to get less people due to heat. I guess we will see. Me and my step father Stuart will be there so I look forward to seeing you guys.
My first trackday ever was August last year and it was crowded so I'm not sure there will be less people in the middle of summer. Having said that, it was still fun (though I was the absolute slowest rider most of the day...).
James- I just signed up. I will be in Level 3 taking the Ty Howard class. I will have a pair of SVs with me (#185). Might be fun to try to get a group paddocked together.
By the way, everyone is aware that we are running CLOCKWISE, right?. First time in that configuration for me. Horseshoe will be lots of fun (pond is in play) and big bend just became a decreasing radius turn!
Quote from: cm on June 15, 2009, 09:07:35 PM
My first trackday ever was August last year and it was crowded so I'm not sure there will be less people in the middle of summer. Having said that, it was still fun (though I was the absolute slowest rider most of the day...).
James- I just signed up. I will be in Level 3 taking the Ty Howard class. I will have a pair of SVs with me (#185). Might be fun to try to get a group paddocked together.
By the way, everyone is aware that we are running CLOCKWISE. First time in that configuration for me. Horseshoe will be lots of fun (pond is in play) and big bend just became a decreasing radius turn!
CM, sweet sounds great, ya I am going to try to get there early to get a good spot... however, I just doubled checked, it says its counter-clockwise (thank god), I despise the clockwise way...
"June 27th 2009
MotorSport Ranch
Cresson, TX.
Original Track 1.7 mile
Counter Clockwise" ridesmart.info
Quote from: cm on June 15, 2009, 09:07:35 PM
James- I just signed up. I will be in Level 3 taking the Ty Howard class. I will have a pair of SVs with me (#185). Might be fun to try to get a group paddocked together.
I'm planning on signing up for the level 3 Ty class in August. Since I got the track day for free, I figured it'd be cool to 'upgrade' and get the video as I think that helps in every aspect of practice.
you mentioned something about "knowing what your getting into" when you sign up for Ty's class. What did you mean by that?
Steve
Quote from: JamesMcCain on June 16, 2009, 03:36:01 PM
CM, sweet sounds great, ya I am going to try to get there early to get a good spot... however, I just doubled checked, it says its counter-clockwise (thank god), I despise the clockwise way...
"June 27th 2009
MotorSport Ranch
Cresson, TX.
Original Track 1.7 mile
Counter Clockwise" ridesmart.info
If you despise clockwise, you will be in for a surprise...
The website has a typo and it'll be fixed in a few days (they didn't notice that).
I only signed up because I wanted to run it Clockwise. My right turns can use more work.
By the way, I confirmed the direction several times with them (including Ty).
Quote from: sdlrodeo on June 16, 2009, 04:20:59 PM
I'm planning on signing up for the level 3 Ty class in August. Since I got the track day for free, I figured it'd be cool to 'upgrade' and get the video as I think that helps in every aspect of practice.
you mentioned something about "knowing what your getting into" when you sign up for Ty's class. What did you mean by that?
Steve
I did not mean to imply about Ty's class. My reference to 'knowing what you're getting into' is the fact that RideSmart will have more people on track at the same time than any other trackday you probably have gone to. That's just the nature of the lower price point-lower price, higher demand. With a lot more people, you can expect the attitudes to be more diverse just playing the percentages. You WILL have someone in your group that thinks he's the next coming of Rossi and will want to prove it to everyone else.
Ty's class is great! It is very high-value considering it only costs an extra $50...I have done private instruction days with Ty and it's a lot more than that (closer to $400+). However, keep in mind that Ty's class runs in the same group as Level 4 which is the Racer practice group. If you are not used to close quarters passing, it will be quite an adventure. There are no passing rules in the group and a lot of the racers believe that they need to practice like they will be racing...and will take a pass in the same manner that they do when doing a sprint race. The speeds also vary since you will have liter-bike racers practicing with SV racers (and even a few minis). If you can hold your line and not freak when someone passes you in a corner where you don't expect it (like inside of rattlesnake) you'll be ok in Level 3/4. I specifically do RideSmart events to get more used to having other bikes close by in corners.
I just didn't want people to have the wrong expectation and then be disappointed. If you're ok with the above you'll have a blast!
Quote from: cm on June 16, 2009, 05:21:44 PM
If you despise clockwise, you will be in for a surprise...
The website has a typo and it'll be fixed in a few days (they didn't notice that).
I only signed up because I wanted to run it Clockwise. My right turns can use more work.
By the way, I confirmed the direction several times with them (including Ty).
Nooooooooooooooo!!!! Im so disappointed!!! I hate going clockwise! :'(
maybe if they dont chnage it in time and enough people complain about it they'll let us do it at CC...
with my bad knee, I realllly can't do a 90% right turn based track... im a nascar racer... left turns only! =(
Quote from: JamesMcCain on June 16, 2009, 09:23:20 PM
Nooooooooooooooo!!!! Im so disappointed!!! I hate going clockwise! :'(
maybe if they dont chnage it in time and enough people complain about it they'll let us do it at CC...
with my bad knee, I realllly can't do a 90% right turn based track... im a nascar racer... left turns only! =(
I won't go if it's normal direction since I've done that many times (and I can go to MSR whenever I want on Member Days) and I wanted Ty to teach me the preferred lines on the reverse. A lot of people are definitely going because it is clockwise. The racers are the same way due to the July 11-12 CMRA weekend when they are running it clockwise. It's not going to be 90% right turns....more like 75% ;D
So, Carlo, are we still to believe you when you say you're just doing all these track days for better rider technique ;D or is there an underlying motive of actually putting all this knowledge on the track, shall we say "semi-pro/hobby wise" ? Hmm Hmmm? [thumbsup] Could it be we'll see you in Europe in the MGP 250 class? ha ha... [laugh] (jk). It's great to follow your track day reports and can't wait to see you in action.
Quote from: RED on June 17, 2009, 06:56:41 AM
So, Carlo, are we still to believe you when you say you're just doing all these track days for better rider technique ;D or is there an underlying motive of actually putting all this knowledge on the track, shall we say "semi-pro/hobby wise" ? Hmm Hmmm? [thumbsup] Could it be we'll see you in Europe in the MGP 250 class? ha ha... [laugh] (jk). It's great to follow your track day reports and can't wait to see you in action.
LOL
It's definitely just for rider improvement and personal satisfaction (still enjoying the fact that I am slow enough to see a sec or 2 of improvement everytime I have a full day at the track). I started this way too late (like several decades too late) for anything besides for fun and even a full CMRA Club racing schedule is a reach due to schedules. If I wanted to do something semi-pro, I'd switch back to cars since that would be more realistic.
I do want to get decent enough where I would be comfortable doing a trackday in Europe (don't know what the rules are)...perhaps some sort of Keith Code type school where I can 'arrive and ride'. Would love to do Portimao, and at least one of the Spanish and Italian tracks...but right now, I'd like to do some of the good ole USA tracks. Laguna Seca, Barber, and Miller are on my short-term list for next year (as well as needing to learn at least 2 new tracks on the CMRA schedule - Oak Hill and Hallett).
I am going to be doing CMRA next year - definitely endurance, and if I feel that my skills merit it, a few sprints.
Got my first taste of a modern 600cc bike last trackday (Dale from Maxim Honda let me ride his '07 CBR600RR for a session) and a 600cc will be in the works later this year. It'll give me a different perspective of the track because of the additonal power/speed and help 'slow down' the track when I'm on the SV.
By the way, I'll be in the MGP 250 class in 2 years (...too bad they're switching to the 600cc engines by that time). ;D
European track days are mayhem from what I can tell in several mags I get fron the U. K. Power Bike is one TWO is another that devote some paperspace to track days. Not all that much different but very competitive. I would think not unlike the ones previously discribed.
OMG Portimao is so fine to watch in MGP but to actually be ON it would be ultimate. Catalunya, maybe even Assen or Mugello. Yeah the legendary tracks for certain.
Bevelhead and I are somewhat planning on a western adventure next to one of the biggies. Maybe we can all put the bikes on a trailer and head out.
Quote from: cm on June 16, 2009, 05:32:22 PM
I just didn't want people to have the wrong expectation and then be disappointed. If you're ok with the above you'll have a blast!
I'm cool with some tight quarters passing as I've done some myself, I just don't need someone Stuffing it up the inside in an unsportsman like way or running into the back of me or slamming on the brakes in front of me. You know 'jerk' stuff. A little challenge is very cool. I would think some of the Level 4 riders understand that trackdays aren't races and would like to keep their equipment shiny for the actual race. That being said, I also understand fully that accidents DO happen.
Thanks for the input though.
Steve
Quote from: sdlrodeo on June 18, 2009, 08:08:06 AM
I'm cool with some tight quarters passing as I've done some myself, I just don't need someone Stuffing it up the inside in an unsportsman like way or running into the back of me or slamming on the brakes in front of me. You know 'jerk' stuff. A little challenge is very cool. I would think some of the Level 4 riders understand that trackdays aren't races and would like to keep their equipment shiny for the actual race. That being said, I also understand fully that accidents DO happen.
Thanks for the input though.
Steve
You're welcome! Anytime you go on the track - you run the risk of an accident. I don't believe that anyone is really out there looking to be 'unsportsmanlike' or plan to run into the back of someone, etc. However, it does happen. I wish everyone would take the same mindset to the track which is - 'be sure you have YOUR bike under control at all times and especially when at risk of contact with another bike'. This would mean they have enough 'skill' left over if something unexpected happens and not use 100% of their skill as they pass someone but the opposite tends to happen. This would also mean people are thinking things through but we all know not everyone does it. I personally don't think close quarters passing should be part of a trackday unless EVERYONE in the group is aware and agrees (by virtue of signing up for the group) that it is going to happen. I know racers that will 'stuff' someone on a trackday because they feel that the person 'deserved it'. Again, personally for me, it's not a race and there really isn't a reason to do that but in the big scheme of things, is there really a reason to go ride a motorcycle around a race track ;)...
I just go out there and try to have some fun and I hope everyone has the same mindset...keeping in mind that it's only fun until someone gets hurt (physically or financially).
See you guys out there!
We are in agreement for certain. Just didn't want to get on with a bunch of guys who just plain don't care what happens.
I may take the Level 2 session on my first trackday out with Ridesmart just to be on the safer side. But there in lies the conundrum. Level 2 probably has the most varied skill level. I'd say I'm at the top of the skill level of Group 2, but not as fast as group 3/4.
I think there is a difference between skill and being fast on a track. Having the skills is one thing, but having the guts/detemination/will to push the envelope in order to be fast is another. I don't have the desire to race big bikes right now so I'm slightly lacking in the 'will to push' area. Doesn't mean I can't go fast, I'm just not as willing to risk injury/bike repair as someone who is practicing for racing.
Hope that makes sense.
Steve
I would always prefer to be in Level 3/4 as long as I am running fast enough where I don't get lapped by the entire field (a few riders will always be faster and I'll see them at least once during a session). Level 2 has too many people with fast bikes and not enough cornering skill so for people like me on a slow bike (SV), they'll blow by on the straight and then park it on corner entry. In Level 3/4, most people will be as fast or faster in the turns so if they pass me on the straight, I won't see them again since they'll be faster in the corners also.
Quote from: cm on June 18, 2009, 08:50:41 AM
I would always prefer to be in Level 3/4 as long as I am running fast enough where I don't get lapped by the entire field (a few riders will always be faster and I'll see them at least once during a session). In Level 3/4, most people will be as fast or faster in the turns so if they pass me on the straight, I won't see them again since they'll be faster in the corners also.
All good stuff. I'll see what I feel like In August.
Steve
ya so im canceling this track day... sorry guys, clockwise bites...
Quote from: JamesMcCain on June 18, 2009, 06:34:32 PM
ya so im canceling this track day... sorry guys, clockwise bites...
Can't believe you're not going...should be a fun track to learn. I will be at ECR on 6/28 so if you'd rather do that, you and your friend (provided he/she has previous track experience) can be my guest. It's a member day though so no vendor support (or corner workers for that matter).
Carlo
ya he's experienced, I can run it by him and see what he says... how much does it cost per guest?
James
Quote from: JamesMcCain on June 18, 2009, 07:58:15 PM
ya he's experienced, I can run it by him and see what he says... how much does it cost per guest?
James
$150 for the day. If you have not been to a member day, it is very different from a trackday. No corner workers, no ambulance, no vendors. There is an EMT on site but people are expected to be courteous and to ride within their limits. Nice thing is that everybody hangs out and since there are only around 8-10 bikes on a 2.5 mile track, you won't feel crowded. 30 minute sessions - usually get around 7 or so for the day (and more if the cars aren't out).
I'm going to be there with Ty Howard taking some private instruction with one of my friends along with one of the guys that will be in my Endurance team next year. All cool guys...
Quote from: cm on June 13, 2009, 09:21:18 AM
but at the last AMS trackday in late May, I got hit by a 1098 attempting a pass from my blindside at Buzzard's neck in Cresson as I was doing a slow lap following another rider to give them feedback.
Feedback? As in being aware of other bikes on the track and staying out of the way of faster riders on "a slow lap"? That kind of feedback?
Quote from: fastwin on June 21, 2009, 07:45:21 AM
Feedback? As in being aware of other bikes on the track and staying out of the way of faster riders on "a slow lap"? That kind of feedback?
Yeah..that's right. It's the bike in front's responsibility to figure out other bikes are behind them (read the sarcasm in case you missed it).
When I saw you at Motopia, I could see where you were going making hints that I should be 'listening' for the other bikes, or knowing someone is behind me. Don't know what tracks you ride or who has been teaching you that stuff but the rules are plain and simple - if you attempt a pass, it is the rider attempting the pass to make sure they do it safely....in any motorcycle traack event. In racing, it gets tighter because everyone is aware that every bike out there is trying to pass. If you don't know how...don't pass or use your 'faster' bike and just power out of the next long straight. Trackdays are NOT about racing.
EDIT: By the way, I was following another rider to figure out why the other rider was still having difficulty getting comfortable around the track right after since before that, we were just discussing her riding. That's the feedback. ;)
Had a great half-day at ECR today even though temperatures were up there! Did 4 sessions and I felt like I had run all day!
I was thinking about cancelling myself. I havent done MSR-C clockwise before but I think I'm going to try it out. We'll see how it goes.
Carlo, the only person I was expecting behind me was Derrick with the camera bike to provide the feedback. I appreciate your efforts, but leave me out of this discussion please ;)
No problem. Edits made. Really has nothing to do about passing anyway.
So, let me get this straight....Carlo, Lisa and Scott were all on the track at the same time. Carlo was discussing with Lisa prior to the session about her comfort on the track and decided to ride behind her to see where she was having the issue. (I'm assuming he took it upon himself to help her out) So out of the 3 riders in mention, we all know the fastest and most experienced rider was Carlo.....So, why is there even discussion here? Carlo was being nice, maybe because there was a lack of AMS instructors there? I don't know, that's only a guess...I heard some of the AMS guys left after the 1st session... Everyone here knows a trackday is not a race. You should only pass if you can do so safely and under control in the corner. The rider in front always has the line that he/she so chooses and the riders behind have to adjust accordingly. The front rider should never have to "listen" for a rider behind them....LMFAO!!! that was actually funny! So Scott rams Carlo, and there are people actually saying that Carlo should have listened for him and adjusted his line to make room for for a rider that was making a pass in an unsafe and uncontrolled way? What the make the beast with two backs is that all about? Carlo, I'm sorry to hear about the wreck.... really sorry. This is just a shame that people are not apologizing..... ???
Quote from: cm on June 22, 2009, 01:15:27 PM
No problem. Edits made. Really has nothing to do about passing anyway.
Thanks [thumbsup] I'm trying to limit my controversy consumption; bad for the liver [drink]
Queen - 'Another One Bites the Dust' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)
Samsonite, Jeff was the only instructor that had to leave, which still left two AMS people to provide the instruction (I think there were only seven or eight riders registered that day... One guy was picking up his new Desmosidici :o ).
Aside from the on-track incident already discussed, I thought it was a good, instructional day. I liked the immediate video feedback and individual attention; a picture is worth a thousand words and all that. I'm still not where I want to be skill level-wise but it's not for lack of instruction [bang] [laugh]
I find it surprising that you guys so willingly just throw Scott under the bus here. I may not have been there, but Scott is definately not the kind of guy to just wrecklessly toss his bike into a corner out of control and hit someone else. There may have been a mistake involved, but this happens on trackdays to be entirely honest. We can take sides based upon either person's "story" of the situation, but thrashing someone on the boards is a bit juvenile in my opinion. We're grown folks and we know what can happen on a track. We know mistakes can happen, because we've all made them before. I've had a few bikes get stuffed underneath me before, one of which works at AMS. I had to adjust line or hit them, but I didn't track them down and chew them out. I trust most of the people around here and I know there isn't malice involved.
In this type of situation, both riders are going to be angry and pointing fingers. Better to let it cool off, meet up somewhere, have a beer, discuss what happened, shake hands, and move on.
Quote from: Slag on June 22, 2009, 02:29:37 PM
Queen - 'Another One Bites the Dust' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)
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Quote from: Jester on June 22, 2009, 02:42:31 PM
I find it surprising that you guys so willingly just throw Scott under the bus here. I may not have been there, but Scott is definately not the kind of guy to just wrecklessly toss his bike into a corner out of control and hit someone else. There may have been a mistake involved, but this happens on trackdays to be entirely honest. We can take sides based upon either person's "story" of the situation, but thrashing someone on the boards is a bit juvenile in my opinion. We're grown folks and we know what can happen on a track. We know mistakes can happen, because we've all made them before. I've had a few bikes get stuffed underneath me before, one of which works at AMS. I had to adjust line or hit them, but I didn't track them down and chew them out. I trust most of the people around here and I know there isn't malice involved.
In this type of situation, both riders are going to be angry and pointing fingers. Better to let it cool off, meet up somewhere, have a beer, discuss what happened, shake hands, and move on.
Meet-up? Have a beer?
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!? Then I won't be able to lurk behind my keyboard and sling pathetic innuendos.
Jesus H. Christ, man, where's the fun in that?
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I didn't talk to Slag about the Another one bites the dust post, but I can only figure it to be about Carlo deleting his account....
[popcorn] Well how 'bout that...
Quote from: Jester on June 22, 2009, 02:42:31 PM
I find it surprising that you guys so willingly just throw Scott under the bus here. I may not have been there, but Scott is definately not the kind of guy to just wrecklessly toss his bike into a corner out of control and hit someone else. There may have been a mistake involved, but this happens on trackdays to be entirely honest. We can take sides based upon either person's "story" of the situation, but thrashing someone on the boards is a bit juvenile in my opinion. We're grown folks and we know what can happen on a track. We know mistakes can happen, because we've all made them before. I've had a few bikes get stuffed underneath me before, one of which works at AMS. I had to adjust line or hit them, but I didn't track them down and chew them out. I trust most of the people around here and I know there isn't malice involved.
In this type of situation, both riders are going to be angry and pointing fingers. Better to let it cool off, meet up somewhere, have a beer, discuss what happened, shake hands, and move on.
My post wasnt to slam Scott, I like the guy.... I do think as much as he has wrecked in the past he might have entered a corner with his bike not in complete control, but he is still a good rider. I am more so referring to the attitude about the situation. I really don't have a side on this one, but if Carlo was honestly asked, "didn't you see me" or weren't you listening for other riders, then that's just a problem... Not trying to stir up shit, just annoyed by some of the recent things I have read....
Quote from: lisaboyd on June 22, 2009, 02:50:19 PM
Meet-up? Have a beer? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!? Then I won't be able to lurk behind my keyboard and sling pathetic innuendos. Jesus H. Christ, man, where's the fun in that?
Quote from: lisaboyd on June 22, 2009, 02:52:58 PM
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Boobies [beer]
The entire issue here is that people are trying to say that the person in front has the responsibility to listen for passing riders. Unbelievable. The circling of the wagons here is unbelievable. Buzzards neck is a nasty corner to pass in at that. Obviously it was an accident. No one would intentionally stuff another rider like that. It was a bad decision. But to say that it was CM's fault? Holy shit guys!! That is damn scary, and a dangerous attitude to have.
Not sure anyone ever said it was Carlo's fault. In fact, everyone that has any connection with this has said there was plenty of blame to go around that day. I also distinctly remember that apologies were made, in person, at the track on the day of the event.
P.S. "Boobies" Now THAT was a good one. Seriously ;D
WTF?! I dont care WHAT THE $#% happened, STFU about this completely.
if no one is pissed off about the incident, then dont bring it up period. And if your pissed, im sorry, take it to PM.
carlo, register back and dont delete your account.
no seriously. dont bring it up again past this point.
Quote from: JamesMcCain on June 22, 2009, 06:24:24 PM
no seriously. dont bring it up again past this point.
Bring what up?
Steve
Quote from: sdlrodeo on June 23, 2009, 05:22:59 PM
Bring what up?
Steve
I think he was referring to the boobies..... :P
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2480/3659638037_6411a584e5_o.jpg)
Did someone say BOOBIES ??
Its going to be one hot biotch out there on Saturday.
our vocabulary is getting more diverse. [beer]
Quote from: jweave on June 25, 2009, 11:33:05 AM
Its going to be one hot biotch out there on Saturday.
let me know how you like clockwise, and tell stuart thanks for the tire help...
So, how did this go yesterday?