Tried to start the bike today.
It made a buzzing noise like a happy little shopper bee.
It made a popping noise like a press on nail dropping to the floor.
There was smoke.
Then there was nothing.
Suggestions?
Don't let the magic smoke out
it wont work if you let the smoke out
I would bet a fuse or a relay popped
When I let the smoke out.. it was the voltage regulater
Jenna, I'd suspect the starter, starter solenoid, main fuse, or voltage regulator. Check the fuse first, it's the easiest to get to. the others are fairly easy to take out. See if your mechanic can test them off the bike. That way you don't have to get the whole bike hauled to the shop. Smoke usually means something needs to be replaced. If it was blue-ish and smelled like electronics you can bet on the regulator.
Scott
i don't know if you changed your messed with you plugs but that sounds exactly like what my bike did when i reversed the plugs.
You should probably sell it and get a VFR. ;D
I'm waiting for a big strong manly type to buy me a VFR. I'll wear Daisy Dukes and a teeny tiny tube shirt and bend over a lot in appreciation. Just remember - lesbian - so you can look but not touch :P
Loose wire was the sound and I'm assuming the melted bit of plastic coating was the smoke. Fuse was blown from shorting out the line on the frame.
Life is good.
So it runs now or you have identified the problem.
I am still confused.
Both. I identified the problem.
Put the loose wire back where it belonged.
Replaced the blown fuse.
Vroom vroom. [moto]
well very good, you rock
OK . . . here's another one.
Stop for gas. Put key back in and try to start. The anti-theft light keeps blinking and I get nothing.
Off/on again and try - nothing again.
off/on once more - this time the light doesn't stay on and it starts.
Random or indication of pending doom?
Quote from: Jenna Talia on July 09, 2009, 11:12:26 AM
OK . . . here's another one.
Stop for gas. Put key back in and try to start. The anti-theft light keeps blinking and I get nothing.
Off/on again and try - nothing again.
off/on once more - this time the light doesn't stay on and it starts.
Random or indication of pending doom?
Sounds like she is telling you to trade her in for something newer. ;D
This happens....
It really sux when this happens before a race/track time session
There is a part in your owners manual about using the throttle to unlock it.
However, this takes far more time than off/on retrys....
Oh yeah... didn't that happen at the MotoCorsa track day?
i think it was a CTT during race skool
It may be the computer or just the key. Do you have another key? Try using that one for a while. Otherwise, maybe you can get your immobilizer de-activated. Someone on this board is offering the service.
Scott
Yah, I got the other black key and the red key.
I believe its Monstermash thats doing the flashing of the ECUs if you end up needing it.
Quote from: Jenna Talia on July 09, 2009, 12:04:00 PM
Yah, I got the other black key and the red key.
Jenna, This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the black key - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red key- you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes
Quote from: desmosome on July 09, 2009, 12:22:40 PM
Jenna, This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the black key - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red key- you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes
Listen to John Banderas. He knows kung fu. And probably some other crazy european shit, like bullfighting and making rice.
This is the one big thing that makes me hesitate about buying a Multistroodle. It has all that d**n electronic garbage on it.
My SS has EFI, but it's pretty basic, and it's not linked into the rest of the bloody bike. The tacho is old-skool, the speedo is mechanical, rest of the wiring harness is unintegrated, etc. Carbs would be even better still.
And the irony is: I work on electronically controlled aviation stuff for a living, but I don't want any of it near my cars or motorcycles.
Sorry Jenna, I have no useful advice other than: get rid of your current Monster, and go buy an old-skool M900 carby.
ugh
needles and jets
icky
the only thing worse would be a diaphramed mech fuel injection and a points ignition.
points are going to suck on my CB3fidy,
bah
I personally love my 750 carby, It made me a weekend mechanic. It does involve most of my free time if it starts to mess up but I'm impatient and don't want to wait for two weeks to get her back on the road.
This is is from someone who has only ridden a carbed bike and has no idea what a fuel injected bike would run like.
I'll find that out once I can afford a 848.
Quote from: Joshua on July 10, 2009, 02:15:14 PM
I personally love my 750 carby, It made me a weekend mechanic. It does involve most of my free time if it starts to mess up but I'm impatient and don't want to wait for two weeks to get her back on the road.
This is is from someone who has only ridden a carbed bike and has no idea what a fuel injected bike would run like.
I'll find that out once I can afford a 848.
Completely, utterly, totally interesting . . . ummmm . . . can I see the full size avatar?
Pretty, pretty, please?
Carb reliability and ultimate control for the win.
FI prolonged wheelies, economy, and adaptability for an equal win.
FI bikes seem a bit more digital, in my experience. Gas is on or off. Perhaps a more responsive throttle, but more "sudden" in comparison. Most are just TBI anyway, right?
Folks will cite that FI equals easier tuning without acknowledging that tuning is done very infrequently. In my opinion, 'running' is more important, and carbs have fewer variables to cause error. Believe you me, wire chasing sucks.
I really enjoy being able to plug into a dozer with a laptop, but for personal toys, I have to prefer a long common screwdriver. I grew up turning screws, and may have a professional mechanic bias. Keep It Simple, Stupid.
And don't forget FI works better than carbs when subjected to wildly changing g-forces.
Quote from: desmosome on July 10, 2009, 05:17:18 PM
And don't forget FI works better than carbs when subjected to wildly changing g-forces.
True
but...
My SS is no aerobatic aeroplane.
Nor is it a warbird/dogfighter.
So your point, while true and interesting, has little practical bearing on my motorcycle.
Sounds like Bendy and I are on a similar wavelength. I particularly concur with the assessment of FI throttle. On or off. Man, the 2001 SS does NOT like to be ridden at any kind of steady cruise under, say, 70 mph (where aerodynamic forces require some positive throttle application). The newer bikes with the later FI that I've test ridden ('stroodle 1000DS and Sport 1000S) actually had a more severe "on/off" feeling with the throttle. If anything, I would expect a later system to be smoother.
Anyway... I'm tired and need to not be writing an opinion piece on mechanical things. Carry on.
Hey Dan-o
I saw your company in an article in the Oregonian today. [thumbsup]
that is all in the tune
same for a carb
you get the stoich off on a carb and it is an accel/decel button as well
you calm the map down a bit with a PCIII and lower the gears and a FI bike will cruise at constant speed no problem
although mine doesn't :-\
The lightweight flywheel seems to have shitwrecked that novel plan all to hell
Who would want to cruise on a Monster? [moto]
Yeah Veektor, that's my new gig. [thumbsup] Sellin' those little planes and their control systems like hotcakes. It's really cool! Commute starts with a postcard view of Mt. Hood, then I get to work with cool people, on cool stuff. Also really neat to be at a smaller company, where my input actually matters. Collins was so big, as a junior engineer I was just a cog in the works. At Insitu, I have a lot more responsibility. Makes for a far less boring workday. :)
Anyway, figured out why I'm such a curmudgeon about these newfangled electronic-driven vehicles. Simply put: I wouldn't have designed them they way. Doing engineering in the Aero world, I'm used to stuff that goes through a "reliability & maintainability" group. If it's not both reliable and maintainable, then it does not pass go. Newer consumer vehicles (cars & motorcycles) were not designed for maintainability, and they take shortcuts that lead to unreliability. The maintainability is one or two things: A) they're too stupid to design something that can actually be worked on by human beings after it's been assembled, or B) they've deliberately designed things so that you have to go to the dealer. So they're either greedy pigs, or they're incompetent.
And to expand on a comment Bendy made about trying to troubleshoot wiring... it's the PCBs that are a real bizatch, especially when they're embedded in plastic housings that weren't designed to come back apart.
Otherwise, Mudder makes a good point about the state of tune. That does make a difference, and my SS could probably use a good TB sync and fuel mapping. After test riding it with stock pipes and seeing that it purred like OEM (still had the on/off syndrome), my guess is it was never tuned or chipped for the Remus pipes. Need to get it on the dyno at EDR and see what's up.
So anyway, I'm just bizatching about the electronic stuff because it isn't built to aero industry standards, it's not designed the way I'd do it, and much of it is disposable (and bloody expensive to replace). I probably wouldn't mind the electronically controlled motos as much if the user could actually work on them.
Locomotion is a mechanical process. Electronic adultery just ain't right, son. Shit ain't right.
Also, because Marv has yet to comment on this thread: boobies.
Quote from: krolik on July 11, 2009, 08:51:28 AM
Who would want to cruise on a Monster? [moto]
Sometimes I like to maintain a constant speed without the motor shitting all over itself
the day I installed the lightwieght flywheel
that plan flew the coop
although I suppose I could adjust the valves and tune it
but
who has the time or money to do that when there is billet to buy
My bike is stock FI and runs just fine, the throttle is not an on off switch. Once I read Brad Black's article on FI several times it was no longer a mystery and maintenance is easy. Now the immobilizer and the people who get screwed by that, that sucks. However, whether for mechanical or electronic reasons, reliability has never been the strong suit of Italian machinery.
Scott
Quote from: scott_araujo on July 13, 2009, 06:06:02 AM
My bike is stock FI and runs just fine, the throttle is not an on off switch. Once I read Brad Black's article on FI several times it was no longer a mystery and maintenance is easy. Now the immobilizer and the people who get screwed by that, that sucks. However, whether for mechanical or electronic reasons, reliability has never been the strong suit of Italian machinery.
Scott
Dp you have a link to Brad Black's article? I searched for it, but no luck...thanks!
The articles were originally posted on the Moto One site. It seems that shop has closed. It looks like Brad has his own shop now. The articles are now posted here:
http://www.bikeboy.org/fuelinjection.html (http://www.bikeboy.org/fuelinjection.html)
http://www.bikeboy.org/open_closed_loop_efi.html (http://www.bikeboy.org/open_closed_loop_efi.html)
Brad is a really knowledgeable and nice guy. He has posted here and TOB many times to help people out. Good luck with your new shop Brad!
Scott