Event Schedule Brno
TIMING (GMT+2)
DUR. CATEGORY PROGRAMME
Friday
08.30-10.00 90' SUPERSTOCK 600 / 1000 TECHNICAL/SPORTING CHECKS
10.00-12.00 120' WSBK / WSS TECHNICAL/SPORTING CHECKS
12.45-13.45 60' WSBK FREE PRACTICE
14.00-14.45 45' SUPERSTOCK 1000 FREE PRACTICE
15.00-16.00 60' W SUPERSPORT FREE PRACTICE
16.15-17.15 60' WSBK QUALIFYING PRACTICE
17.30-18.00 30' SUPERSTOCK 600 FREE PRACTICE
Saturday
09.00-09.30 30' SUPERSTOCK 1000 FREE PRACTICE
09.45-10.30 45' W SUPERSPORT FREE PRACTICE
10.45-11.30 45' WSBK QUALIFYING PRACTICE
11.45-12.15 30' SUPERSTOCK 600 FREE PRACTICE
12.25-12.50 25' PIT WALK PIT WALK
13.00-13.45 45' W SUPERSPORT QUALIFYING PRACTICE
14.00-14.45 45' WSBK FREE PRACTICE
15.00-15.12 12' WSBK SUPERPOLE (1)
15.19-15.31 12' WSBK SUPERPOLE (2)
15.38-15.50 12' WSBK SUPERPOLE (3)
16.10-16.40 30' SUPERSTOCK 1000 QUALIFYING PRACTICE
16.55-17.25 30' SUPERSTOCK 600 QUALIFYING PRACTICE
Sunday
09.00-09.10 10' SUPERSTOCK 1000 WARM UP
09.20-09.40 20' WSBK WARM UP
09.50-10.10 20' W SUPERSPORT WARM UP
10.40 SUPERSTOCK 1000 RACE (12 LAPS KM. 64.836)
11.10-11.30 20' PIT WALK PIT WALK
12.00 WSBK RACE 1 (20 LAPS KM. 108.060)
13.25 W SUPERSPORT RACE (18 LAPS KM. 97.254)
14.30 SUPERSTOCK 600 RACE (9 LAPS KM. 48.627)
15.30 WSBK RACE 2 (20 LAPS KM. 108.060)
FP1
1 Biaggi M. (ITA) Aprilia RSV4 Factory 2'01.353
2 Hopkins J. (USA) Honda CBR1000RR 2'01.399
3 Spies B. (USA) Yamaha YZF R1 2'01.573
4 Fabrizio M. (ITA) Ducati 1098R 2'01.616
5 Corser T. (AUS) BMW S1000 RR 2'01.733
6 Kiyonari R. (JPN) Honda CBR1000RR 2'01.761
7 Checa C. (ESP) Honda CBR1000RR 2'01.829
8 Xaus R. (ESP) BMW S1000 RR 2'01.881
9 Kagayama Y. (JPN) Suzuki GSX-R 1000 K9 2'01.951
10 Lanzi L. (ITA) Ducati 1098R 2'02.032
11 Rea J. (GBR) Honda CBR1000RR 2'02.071
12 Tamada M. (JPN) Kawasaki ZX 10R 2'02.087
13 Nakano S. (JPN) Aprilia RSV4 Factory 2'02.136
14 Parkes B. (AUS) Kawasaki ZX 10R 2'02.331
15 Lagrive M. (FRA) Honda CBR1000RR 2'02.393
16 Byrne S. (GBR) Ducati 1098R 2'02.395
17 Smrz J. (CZE) Ducati 1098R 2'02.570
18 Haga N. (JPN) Ducati 1098R 2'02.668
19 Haslam L. (GBR) Honda CBR1000RR 2'02.689
20 Nieto F. (ESP) Ducati 1098R 2'02.710
21 Sykes T. (GBR) Yamaha YZF R1 2'03.168
22 Polita A. (ITA) Suzuki GSX-R 1000 K9 2'03.549
23 Salom D. (ESP) Kawasaki ZX 10R 2'03.847
24 Scassa L. (ITA) Kawasaki ZX 10R 2'03.865
25 Iannuzzo V. (ITA) Honda CBR1000RR 2'04.077
26 Checa D. (ESP) Yamaha YZF R1 2'04.250
27 Resch R. (AUT) Suzuki GSX-R 1000 K9 2'05.556
28 Cihak M. (CZE) Suzuki GSX-R 1000 K9 2'06.820
Qualy 1 Results
1 3 Biaggi M ITA Aprilia RSV4 Factory PIT IN 1'59.982 22
2 84 Fabrizio M ITA Ducati 1098R PIT IN 2'00.066 0.084 17
3 7 Checa C ESP Honda CBR1000RR PIT IN 2'00.205 0.223 21
4 100 Tamada M JPN Kawasaki ZX 10R PIT IN 2'00.547 0.565 17
5 19 Spies B USA Yamaha YZF R1 PIT IN 2'00.558 0.576 23
6 57 Lanzi L ITA Ducati 1098R PIT IN 2'00.581 0.599 19
7 11 Corser T AUS BMW S1000 RR PIT IN 2'00.603 0.621 21
8 56 Nakano S JPN Aprilia RSV4 Factory PIT IN 2'00.648 0.666 20
9 111 Xaus R ESP BMW S1000 RR PIT IN 2'00.731 0.749 18
10 23 Parkes B AUS Kawasaki ZX 10R PIT IN 2'00.887 0.905 16
11 71 Kagayama Y JPN Suzuki GSX-R 1000 K9 PIT IN 2'00.958 0.976 18
12 67 Byrne S GBR Ducati 1098R PIT IN 2'01.017 1.035 18
13 121 Hopkins J USA Honda CBR1000RR PIT IN 2'01.021 1.039 16
14 65 Rea J GBR Honda CBR1000RR PIT IN 2'01.023 1.041 20
15 96 Smrz J CZE Ducati 1098R PIT IN 2'01.031 1.049 20
16 41 Haga N JPN Ducati 1098R PIT IN 2'01.062 1.080 18
17 66 Sykes T GBR Yamaha YZF R1 PIT IN 2'01.070 1.088 18
18 91 Haslam L GBR Honda CBR1000RR PIT IN 2'01.403 1.421 19
19 9 Kiyonari R JPN Honda CBR1000RR PIT IN 2'01.439 1.457 18
20 14 Lagrive M FRA Honda CBR1000RR PIT IN 2'01.720 1.738 18
21 99 Scassa L ITA Kawasaki ZX 10R PIT IN 2'02.155 2.173 19
22 77 Iannuzzo V ITA Honda CBR1000RR PIT IN 2'02.346 2.364 15
23 10 Nieto F ESP Ducati 1098R PIT IN 2'02.644 2.662 17
24 25 Salom D ESP Kawasaki ZX 10R PIT IN 2'02.691 2.709 18
25 94 Checa D ESP Yamaha YZF R1 PIT IN 2'02.785 2.803 18
26 53 Polita A ITA Suzuki GSX-R 1000 K9 PIT IN 2'02.940 2.958 20
27 88 Resch R AUT Suzuki GSX-R 1000 K9 PIT IN 2'04.041 4.059 18
28 51 Cihak M CZE Suzuki GSX-R 1000 K9 PIT IN 2'04.905 4.923 16
Top 10 within a second of each other. Yeehaw!
I'm interested to see how Hopper is gonna do in Superpole. First, it'll test whether he really has the speed. And second, it's a totally new format for him (strategically). I'm not a Hopper fan, but I'd like to see him up front to make the fight even more engaging. As long as he doesn't take points away from The Ben.
in general, he has the speed. whether or not he can win races is another matter.
This will be one hell of weekend WSBK...MotoGP and F1. [popcorn]
http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/news/150253/1/haga_im_gritting_my_teeth.html (http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/news/150253/1/haga_im_gritting_my_teeth.html)
oh, and cal is slow: http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/news/150221/1/crutchlow_on_superbike_pace_at_brno.html (http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/news/150221/1/crutchlow_on_superbike_pace_at_brno.html)
Do the Supersports run the same tires as Superbikes?
I know both series are spec Pirellis, but I don't know whether it's the same rubber. Either way, it's pretty damn impressive. It's not Brno is a short circuit.
:(
Free Practice 2
Superbike - Results Free Practice 2nd Session
Brno, 24-25-26 July 2009
No. Rider Nat Team Bike Time Gap Rel. Laps Avg Speed Max
1 19 B. SPIES USA Yamaha WSB Yamaha YZF R1 2'00.119 14 161,929 279,1
2 84 M. FABRIZIO ITA Ducati Xerox Team Ducati 1098R 2'00.132 0.013 0.013 19 161,912 278,4
3 96 J. SMRZ CZE Guandalini Racing Ducati 1098R 2'00.244 0.125 0.112 14 161,761 276,2
4 7 C. CHECA ESP HANNspree Ten Kate Honda Honda CBR1000RR 2'00.264 0.145 0.020 14 161,734 279,1
5 3 M. BIAGGI ITA Aprilia Racing Aprilia RSV4 Factory 2'00.447 0.328 0.183 17 161,488 284,2
6 67 S. BYRNE GBR Sterilgarda Ducati 1098R 2'00.495 0.376 0.048 16 161,424 273,4
7 11 T. CORSER AUS BMW Motorrad Motorsport BMW S1000 RR 2'00.504 0.385 0.009 8 161,412 274,8
8 23 B. PARKES AUS Kawasaki World Superbike R.T. Kawasaki ZX 10R 2'00.825 0.706 0.321 15 160,983 274,8
9 111 R. XAUS ESP BMW Motorrad Motorsport BMW S1000 RR 2'00.851 0.732 0.026 11 160,949 276,2
10 71 Y. KAGAYAMA JPN Suzuki Alstare BRUX Suzuki GSX-R 1000 K9 2'00.884 0.765 0.033 13 160,905 279,1
11 56 S. NAKANO JPN Aprilia Racing Aprilia RSV4 Factory 2'00.936 0.817 0.052 16 160,835 281,3
12 57 L. LANZI ITA DFX Corse Ducati 1098R 2'00.992 0.873 0.056 19 160,761 275,5
13 14 M. LAGRIVE FRA Honda Althea Racing Honda CBR1000RR 2'00.993 0.874 0.001 14 160,760 277,6
14 65 J. REA GBR HANNspree Ten Kate Honda Honda CBR1000RR 2'01.051 0.932 0.058 15 160,683 279,1
15 9 R. KIYONARI JPN Ten Kate Honda Racing Honda CBR1000RR 2'01.087 0.968 0.036 14 160,635 279,1
16 66 T. SYKES GBR Yamaha WSB Yamaha YZF R1 2'01.124 1.005 0.037 15 160,586 276,9
17 100 M.TAMADA JPN Kawasaki World Superbike R.T. Kawasaki ZX 10R 2'01.220 1.101 0.096 17 160,459 276,9
18 10 F. NIETO ESP DFX Corse Ducati 1098R 2'01.326 1.207 0.106 15 160,318 274,1
19 91 L. HASLAM GBR Stiggy Racing Honda Honda CBR1000RR 2'01.458 1.339 0.132 12 160,144 277,6
20 41 N. HAGA JPN Ducati Xerox Team Ducati 1098R 2'01.603 1.484 0.145 11 159,953 276,9
21 99 L. SCASSA ITA Team Pedercini Kawasaki ZX 10R 2'01.995 1.876 0.392 17 159,439 266,7
22 53 A. POLITA ITA Celani Race Suzuki GSX-R 1000 K9 2'02.225 2.106 0.230 15 159,139 272,7
23 77 V. IANNUZZO ITA Squadra Corse Italia Honda CBR1000RR 2'02.275 2.156 0.050 12 159,074 270,0
24 121 J. HOPKINS USA Stiggy Racing Honda Honda CBR1000RR 2'02.313 2.194 0.038 12 159,025 272,0
25 25 D. SALOM ESP Team Pedercini Kawasaki ZX 10R 2'02.483 2.364 0.170 16 158,804 270,0
26 94 D. CHECA ESP Yamaha France GMT 94 Ipone Yamaha YZF R1 2'03.174 3.055 0.691 16 157,913 270,0
27 88 R. RESCH AUT TKR Suzuki Switzerland Suzuki GSX-R 1000 K9 2'04.960 4.841 1.786 12 155,656 267,3
28 51 M. CIHAK CZE ProRace Suzuki GSX-R 1000 K9 2'05.659 5.540 0.699 15 154,790 262,1
Superpole 1
1 19 B. SPIES USA Yamaha WSB Yamaha YZF R1 1'59.729 2 162,457 277,6
2 96 J. SMRZ CZE Guandalini Racing Ducati 1098R 1'59.792 0.063 0.063 3 162,371 276,2
3 11 T. CORSER AUS BMW Motorrad Motorsport BMW S1000 RR 1'59.891 0.162 0.099 3 162,237 274,8
4 84 M. FABRIZIO ITA Ducati Xerox Team Ducati 1098R 1'59.969 0.240 0.078 3 162,132 276,2
5 100 M.TAMADA JPN Kawasaki World Superbike R.T. Kawasaki ZX 10R 1'59.970 0.241 0.001 4 162,131 276,2
6 3 M. BIAGGI ITA Aprilia Racing Aprilia RSV4 Factory 1'59.991 0.262 0.021 4 162,102 282,7
7 41 N. HAGA JPN Ducati Xerox Team Ducati 1098R 2'00.054 0.325 0.063 3 162,017 276,9
8 14 M. LAGRIVE FRA Honda Althea Racing Honda CBR1000RR 2'00.065 0.336 0.011 2 162,002 275,5
9 7 C. CHECA ESP HANNspree Ten Kate Honda Honda CBR1000RR 2'00.081 0.352 0.016 3 161,981 279,8
10 66 T. SYKES GBR Yamaha WSB Yamaha YZF R1 2'00.233 0.504 0.152 4 161,776 275,5
11 111 R. XAUS ESP BMW Motorrad Motorsport BMW S1000 RR 2'00.243 0.514 0.010 5 161,762 272,7
12 65 J. REA GBR HANNspree Ten Kate Honda Honda CBR1000RR 2'00.267 0.538 0.024 4 161,730 279,8
13 67 S. BYRNE GBR Sterilgarda Ducati 1098R 2'00.305 0.576 0.038 4 161,679 273,4
14 57 L. LANZI ITA DFX Corse Ducati 1098R 2'00.323 0.594 0.018 5 161,655 274,1
15 71 Y. KAGAYAMA JPN Suzuki Alstare BRUX Suzuki GSX-R 1000 K9 2'00.427 0.698 0.104 5 161,515 277,6
16 56 S. NAKANO JPN Aprilia Racing Aprilia RSV4 Factory 2'00.629 0.900 0.202 5 161,245 279,8
-------------------------------------------------- Not Qualified to Superpole 2 --------------------------------------------------
17 91 L. HASLAM GBR Stiggy Racing Honda Honda CBR1000RR 2'00.718 0.989 0.089 5 161,126 275,5
18 9 R. KIYONARI JPN Ten Kate Honda Racing Honda CBR1000RR 2'00.811 1.082 0.093 5 161,002 276,9
19 23 B. PARKES AUS Kawasaki World Superbike R.T. Kawasaki ZX 10R 2'03.819 4.090 3.008 1 157,091 276,9
20 121 J. HOPKINS USA Stiggy Racing Honda Honda CBR1000RR 2'14.727 14.998 10.908 3 144,372 273,4
Superpole 2
1 19 B. SPIES USA Yamaha WSB Yamaha YZF R1 1'58.965 2 163,500 277,6
2 3 M. BIAGGI ITA Aprilia Racing Aprilia RSV4 Factory 1'59.224 0.259 0.259 4 163,145 281,3
3 11 T. CORSER AUS BMW Motorrad Motorsport BMW S1000 RR 1'59.475 0.510 0.251 5 162,802 272,0
4 84 M. FABRIZIO ITA Ducati Xerox Team Ducati 1098R 1'59.498 0.533 0.023 4 162,771 276,9
5 66 T. SYKES GBR Yamaha WSB Yamaha YZF R1 1'59.575 0.610 0.077 3 162,666 278,4
6 65 J. REA GBR HANNspree Ten Kate Honda Honda CBR1000RR 1'59.635 0.670 0.060 3 162,585 278,4
7 67 S. BYRNE GBR Sterilgarda Ducati 1098R 1'59.674 0.709 0.039 3 162,532 272,0
8 111 R. XAUS ESP BMW Motorrad Motorsport BMW S1000 RR 1'59.679 0.714 0.005 3 162,525 276,9
-------------------------------------------------- Not Qualified to Superpole 3 ---------------------------------------
9 57 L. LANZI ITA DFX Corse Ducati 1098R 1'59.730 0.765 0.051 4 162,456 272,0
10 7 C. CHECA ESP HANNspree Ten Kate Honda Honda CBR1000RR 1'59.748 0.783 0.018 5 162,431 271,4
11 100 M.TAMADA JPN Kawasaki World Superbike R.T. Kawasaki ZX 10R 1'59.873 0.908 0.125 3 162,262 276,2
12 96 J. SMRZ CZE Guandalini Racing Ducati 1098R 2'00.159 1.194 0.286 2 161,876 276,2
13 71 Y. KAGAYAMA JPN Suzuki Alstare BRUX Suzuki GSX-R 1000 K9 2'00.223 1.258 0.064 5 161,789 275,5
14 41 N. HAGA JPN Ducati Xerox Team Ducati 1098R 2'00.235 1.270 0.012 4 161,773 275,515 56 S. NAKANO JPN Aprilia Racing Aprilia RSV4 Factory 2'00.262 1.297 0.027 4 161,737 279,1
16 14 M. LAGRIVE FRA Honda Althea Racing Honda CBR1000RR 2'00.498 1.533 0.236 4 161,420 277,6
Superpole 3 & Grid Positions
1 19 B. SPIES USA Yamaha WSB Yamaha YZF R1 2'00.558 2'00.043 37 1'58.868 1'58.868 163,634
2 84 M.FABRIZIO ITA Ducati Xerox Team Ducati 1098R 2'00.066 2'00.101 34 1'58.950 0.082 1'58.950 163,521
3 3 M.BIAGGI ITA Aprilia Racing Aprilia RSV4 Factory 1'59.982 2'00.707 37 1'59.055 0.187 1'59.055 163,377
4 65 J. REA GBR HANNspree Ten Kate Honda Honda CBR1000RR 2'01.023 2'00.702 36 1'59.740 0.872 1'59.740 162,442
5 67 S. BYRNE GBR Sterilgarda Ducati 1098R 2'01.017 2'00.355 33 1'59.787 0.919 1'59.787 162,378
6 11 T. CORSER AUS BMW Motorrad Motorsport BMW S1000 RR 2'00.603 2'00.636 36 2'00.046 1.178 2'00.046 162,028
7 111 R. XAUS ESP BMW Motorrad Motorsport BMW S1000 RR 2'00.731 2'00.973 29 2'00.096 1.228 2'00.096 161,960
8 66 T. SYKES GBR Yamaha WSB Yamaha YZF R1 2'01.070 2'00.600 33 2'00.240 1.372 2'00.240 161,766
-------------------------------------------------- Superpole 2 --------------------------------------------------
9 57 L. LANZI ITA DFX Corse Ducati 1098R 2'00.581 2'01.118 32 1'59.730 1'59.730 162,456
10 7 C. CHECA ESP HANNspree Ten Kate Honda Honda CBR1000RR 2'00.205 2'00.408 37 1'59.748 0.018 1'59.748 162,431
11 100 M.TAMADA JPN Kawasaki World Superbike R.T. Kawasaki ZX 10R 2'01.385 2'01.287 33 1'59.873 0.143 1'59.873 162,262
12 96 J. SMRZ CZE Guandalini Racing Ducati 1098R 2'01.031 2'00.052 35 2'00.159 0.429 2'00.159 161,876
13 71 Y. KAGAYAMA JPN Suzuki Alstare BRUX Suzuki GSX-R 1000 K9 2'00.958 2'01.410 33 2'00.223 0.493 2'00.223 161,789
14 41 N. HAGA JPN Ducati Xerox Team Ducati 1098R 2'01.062 2'01.857 32 2'00.235 0.505 2'00.235 161,773
15 56 S. NAKANO JPN Aprilia Racing Aprilia RSV4 Factory 2'00.648 2'01.537 35 2'00.262 0.532 2'00.262 161,737
16 14 M.LAGRIVE FRA Honda Althea Racing Honda CBR1000RR 2'01.720 2'01.199 32 2'00.498 0.768 2'00.498 161,420
-------------------------------------------------- Superpole 1 --------------------------------------------------
17 91 L. HASLAM GBR Stiggy Racing Honda Honda CBR1000RR 2'01.403 2'01.012 36 2'00.718 2'00.718 161,126
18 9 R. KIYONARI JPN Ten Kate Honda Racing Honda CBR1000RR 2'01.439 2'01.033 30 2'00.811 0.093 2'00.811 161,002
19 23 B. PARKES AUS Kawasaki World Superbike R.T. Kawasaki ZX 10R 2'00.887 2'00.623 28 2'03.819 3.101 2'03.819 157,091
20 121 J. HOPKINS USA Stiggy Racing Honda Honda CBR1000RR 2'01.021 2'01.777 31 2'14.72 7 14.009 2'14.727 144,372
-------------------------------------------------- Others in Grid --------------------------------------------------
21 10 F. NIETO ESP DFX Corse Ducati 1098R 2'02.644 2'01.510 30 2'01.510 160,076
22 25 D. SALOM ESP Team Pedercini Kawasaki ZX 10R 2'02.691 2'01.643 34 2'01.643 159,901
23 99 L. SCASSA ITA Team Pedercini Kawasaki ZX 10R 2'02.155 2'01.816 34 2'01.816 159,674
24 77 V. IANNUZZO ITA Squadra Corse Italia Honda CBR1000RR 2'02.346 2'02.496 29 2'02.346 158,982
25 53 A. POLITA ITA Celani Race Suzuki GSX-R 1000 K9 2'02.940 2'02.718 36 2'02.718 158,500
26 94 D. CHECA ESP Yamaha France GMT 94 Ipone Yamaha YZF R1 2'02.785 2'03.092 33 2'02.785 158,413
27 88 R. RESCH AUT TKR Suzuki Switzerland Suzuki GSX-R 1000 K9 2'04.041 2'04.824 29 2'04.041 156,809
28 51 M.CIHAK CZE ProRace Suzuki GSX-R 1000 K9 2'04.905 2'05.099 30 2'04.905 155,725
Fastest Lap (Superpole 3) No. 19 SPIES Ben Time 1'58.868 Avg. 163,634 Km/h
Spies does it again, but the story in mind is Hopper and those BMWs. Wow! Hopper, after showing speed earlier in the weekend, doesn't even get to SP2. And those BMWs--which have seriously struggled all year with qualifying--finally both get to SP3. We've heard them say over and over again (or at least Xaus) that they have the pace to run up front but just need a good starting position. Well, here you go, Xaus.
We'll see if Haga gets one of his rocket starts and gets through the field in a few laps. But there's been not much indication he's on pace this weekend.
P.S. 4th place is nearly a second off the leader!?! :o
Spies sniffs the championship lead.
Quote from: Speeddog on July 24, 2009, 04:09:44 PM
Do the Supersports run the same tires as Superbikes?
I want to say that the Superbikes are on full slicks, while the Supersports are on grooved tires.
Quote from: pennyrobber on July 25, 2009, 10:06:02 AM
I want to say that the Superbikes are on full slicks, while the Supersports are on grooved tires.
correct. WSS run DOTs
Oh dear. Fabrizio, what were you thinking. :o
Not sure Michel was thinking...
Spies made it up in race 2.
Quote from: desmoquattro on July 26, 2009, 09:05:58 AM
Not sure Michel was thinking...
I was waiting for a fistfight after that crap.
I liked Spies' comment in the Cycle News on line after action report. Something about Michel trying to apologize but Spies would have none of it... he was "not happy at the time". No s#@t! Talk about self restraint in an interview! I would love to have the post crash "discussion" on tape! [clap] Mama mia, I bet that Italian has never even heard some of those Texas cuss words before!!! [laugh] At least he tried to apologize, I'll give him credit for that... then I'll deduct 20 points for pulling off a dumbass maneuver.
Anyone expect any repercussions for Fabrizio for the next race? Any penalty (i.e., loss of grid position for being a 'tard?)
I'd doubt it. To be fair to Michel, he had incredible drive out of the last corner and then coming into the corner where he wrecked Ben. Ben braked a little earlier and then closed off the line late. Michel really had nowhere to go but lean it more ( and lowside ) or probably stand it up and hit Ben anyway. Its Fabrizio's fault, but I'd chalk it up to hard racing more than anything. Stupid move considering what they both had to gain on the championship, but it did seem as if he had a way through when they both went into the corner.
Quote from: swampduc on July 26, 2009, 04:51:25 PM
Anyone expect any repercussions for Fabrizio for the next race? Any penalty (i.e., loss of grid position for being a 'tard?)
you get penalized for doing something intentional, not stupid
Rubbin' is racin' son. ;D
Tough break for Ben, but at Michel apologised promptly.
Nice rides by Biaggi! [bow_down]
Sucks that Fabrizio took them both out in race 1. He should have just tucked in behind Spies and waited until the end of the race to try for the pass.
Great ride by Spies in race 2 holding off Biaggi. He had a couple moments! :o
Quote from: tufty on July 26, 2009, 06:04:49 PM
Rubbin' is racin' son. ;D
Can't resist since you opened up the Days of Thunder can. Xerox team orders: Put the rookie into the wall. ;D
Quote from: Jester on July 26, 2009, 08:24:04 PM
Can't resist since you opened up the Days of Thunder can. Xerox team orders: Put the rookie into the wall. ;D
You really think that?
Pedrosa-ed
Quote from: El Matador on July 26, 2009, 08:40:02 PM
You really think that?
Doubt anyone really thinks that was intentional, but perhaps stupid riding should get penalized too, not just the intentional stuff. Unsafe is unsafe.
I don't want to see the extreme of regulation that we see in F1, but damn, that was a moronic move by Fabrizio.
If Michel gets taken out in another race, I hope someone says to him,"Fabrizio, Don Spies sends his regards."
...the "ben, i love you" sign was pretty cute.
he also took full responsibility http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/news/150384/1/fabrizio_my_fault_i_need_to_stay_calmer.html (http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/news/150384/1/fabrizio_my_fault_i_need_to_stay_calmer.html)
Quote from: swampduc on July 27, 2009, 06:14:41 AM
Doubt anyone really thinks that was intentional, but perhaps stupid riding should get penalized too, not just the intentional stuff. Unsafe is unsafe.
I don't want to see the extreme of regulation that we see in F1, but damn, that was a moronic move by Fabrizio.
If Michel gets taken out in another race, I hope someone says to him,"Fabrizio, Don Spies sends his regards."
I don't know if it was THAT stupid of a move. He had pulled alongside Spies, but Spies looked like he was squaring off the corner more than everyone else throughout the race...so Fabrizio ducked inside and then realized he was gonna run out of track or hit Spies, and tried to slow down a little tucking the front.
Agreed...it was a dumb move trying to force it in there, but if it had happened on the last lap we might be saying that's racing. Surely doesn't deserve a penalty.
Quote from: gm2 on July 27, 2009, 07:17:18 AM
...the "ben, i love you" sign was pretty cute.
How long did it take you to make it? [laugh]
Quote from: Triple J on July 27, 2009, 07:19:17 AM
I don't know if it was THAT stupid of a move. He had pulled alongside Spies, but Spies looked like he was squaring off the corner more than everyone else throughout the race...so Fabrizio ducked inside and then realized he was gonna run out of track or hit Spies, and tried to slow down a little tucking the front.
Agreed...it was a dumb move trying to force it in there, but if it had happened on the last lap we might be saying that's racing. Surely doesn't deserve a penalty.
Which is basically what the announcers were calling too. Just hard racing. Had Ben run a little wider they could have made it but things are happening very fast and you only have so much time and so much room. I don't think it was exactly like the Pedrosa move where Danny was accelerating up from underneath and inside of Hayden. In this case the speeds were matched.
Quote from: tufty on July 27, 2009, 07:33:45 AM
How long did it take you to make it? [laugh]
huh? i can't understand you when you try to speak from inside shakey's bum...
[cheeky]
...and did you see the sign i'm talking about?
Quote from: swampduc on July 27, 2009, 06:14:41 AM
Doubt anyone really thinks that was intentional, but perhaps stupid riding should get penalized too, not just the intentional stuff. Unsafe is unsafe.
I don't want to see the extreme of regulation that we see in F1, but damn, that was a moronic move by Fabrizio.
If Michel gets taken out in another race, I hope someone says to him,"Fabrizio, Don Spies sends his regards."
This move right here was a lot worse, in stupidity terms, but he gets praised instead?
(http://www.automotophoto.com/misc/1488_ROSSI_LSGP_ALW_O8.jpg)
It's just racing man, shit happens.
Quote from: swampduc on July 27, 2009, 06:14:41 AM
Doubt anyone really thinks that was intentional, but perhaps stupid riding should get penalized too, not just the intentional stuff. Unsafe is unsafe.
I don't want to see the extreme of regulation that we see in F1, but damn, that was a moronic move by Fabrizio.
If Michel gets taken out in another race, I hope someone says to him,"Fabrizio, Don Spies sends his regards."
do you recall the last corner of Valencia last year? checa went for it, took out Neukirchner, lanzi was gifted the win. shit like that happens... the bonehead factor in Brno was
when it happened.
Now that I think about it, it's Spies fault! If he wasn't so damn fast Fabrizio could have put a clean pass on him! [popcorn]
[cheeky]
Quote from: gm2 on July 27, 2009, 08:41:56 AM
huh? i can't understand you when you try to speak from inside shakey's bum...
[cheeky]
...and did you see the sign i'm talking about?
Mmmmf, mmmf... Make that
Haslam's bum.
I didn't see the sign, where you watching Eurosport or Speed? (I watched Eurosport)
Quote from: gm2 on July 27, 2009, 07:17:18 AM
...the "ben, i love you" sign was pretty cute.
he also took full responsibility http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/news/150384/1/fabrizio_my_fault_i_need_to_stay_calmer.html (http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/news/150384/1/fabrizio_my_fault_i_need_to_stay_calmer.html)
I think I haven't learned to appreciate Fabrizio's sense of humor. That sign made we wanna jam a breaker bar up his ass.
Quote from: tufty on July 27, 2009, 09:36:25 AM
Mmmmf, mmmf... Make that Haslam's bum.
I didn't see the sign, where you watching Eurosport or Speed? (I watched Eurosport)
oh so you've finally given up on shakey too..? ;D
i watched Speed this time... as the coverage for race 2 was starting the first time the camera went to fab he was holding up a little sign that said, "Ben, I love you."
Quote from: Spidey on July 27, 2009, 09:54:16 AM
I think I haven't learned to appreciate Fabrizio's sense of humor. That sign made we wanna jam a breaker bar up his ass.
given the very apologetic look on his face and the inherent language problem, it seemed genuine to me
Quote from: gm2 on July 27, 2009, 09:59:37 AM
given the very apologetic look on his face and the inherent language problem, it seemed genuine to me
You have to appreciate the sentiment...but Fabrizio running over to apologize as Spies was trying to see if he could continue had to be the last thing Spies wanted. [laugh]
I also liked the camera following Spies as he walked by the Ducati pit...and how he waved his finger at them. ;D
Quote from: gm2 on July 27, 2009, 09:59:37 AM
given the very apologetic look on his face and the inherent language problem, it seemed genuine to me
I don't doubt that he was being genuine. I still think he comes across dickishly. Between the sign and the wave, I just don't find his attempts to be playful and/or funny to be either playful or funny. <shrug> It doesn't really matter. Maybe
I'll change my tune later and I'll think he's a character.
Glad Ben got the second win. This'll make it even more interesting for the rest of the season cuz it's gonna stay close. And Haga should come back in good form. Damn, he can ride injured. :o
Looking over the rider results, in the top 20 only Checa, Nakano, Corser also have 4 retirements like Ben. And that doesn't count the 16th place in Australia when he was booted off the track twice or the gas problem at Monza where he got 15th place but was basically a DNF.
Quote from: Spidey on July 27, 2009, 10:13:35 AM
I don't doubt that he was being genuine. I still think he comes across dickishly. Between the sign and the wave, I just don't find his attempts to be playful and/or funny to be either playful or funny.
oh i'm not saying he isn't... Roman. i'm sure it took a tremendous amount of effort to admit he'd done anything wrong. =)
Max is really coming on and was giving it all he had in the end, even if he did do the interview with something hanging off his face [laugh]
Quote from: El Matador on July 27, 2009, 08:45:05 AM
This move right here was a lot worse, in stupidity terms, but he gets praised instead?
(http://www.automotophoto.com/misc/1488_ROSSI_LSGP_ALW_O8.jpg)
It's just racing man, shit happens.
Ben is from Texas. Therefore, anyone who gets between him and domination must die. As a transplanted Texan, you should know this ;D
That said, I admit my strong pro-Ben bias colors my view of that incident.
And I know that this puts me in the minority, but I was not a fan of the above pass either.
Quote from: swampduc on July 27, 2009, 04:59:38 PM
Ben is from Texas. Therefore, anyone who gets between him and domination must die. As a transplanted Texan, you should know this ;D
That said, I admit my strong pro-Ben bias colors my view of that incident.
And I know that this puts me in the minority, but I was not a fan of the above pass either.
Born in H-town baby. And I also agree with you on the Rossi pass.
I was just pointing out that just because a move is stupid it shouldn't be penalized. Stupid moves are a big part of why we pay these guys so much to do what they do, it makes things interesting.
Quote from: swampduc on July 27, 2009, 04:59:38 PM
And I know that this puts me in the minority, but I was not a fan of the above pass either.
Well, actually the off road portion of that incident wasn't a pass. Rossi had already completed the pass at the top of the corkscrew, otherwise he probably would have been penalized for the dirttracking. He ran too deep, but didn't break any rules per se. ;)
Quote from: swampduc on July 27, 2009, 04:59:38 PM
And I know that this puts me in the minority, but I was not a fan of the above pass either.
that suggests you think that was intentional. which is pretty funny. :)
Quote from: gm2 on July 28, 2009, 02:28:37 PM
that suggests you think that was intentional. which is pretty funny. :)
It was more the contact with Stoner and his bike on return to the pavement that bothered me. Guess it was within the rules though.
Quote from: swampduc on July 28, 2009, 02:39:40 PM
It was more the contact with Stoner and his bike on return to the pavement that bothered me. Guess it was within the rules though.
...are you certain there was contact?
Rossi-Stoner Laguna Seca 2008 battle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfPM77TsGaA#noexternalembed-lq-lq2-hq-vhq)
DAMN YOU BOTH! [laugh]
Guess I remembered it how I wanted to - I was pissed Casey didn't take that one :-[
;D
does anyone know where i can get a pic of frabrizio holding the "i love u ben" sign?
maybe its just me and im computer retarded [laugh]
Quote from: gm2 on July 27, 2009, 08:53:03 AM
do you recall the last corner of Valencia last year? checa went for it, took out Neukirchner, lanzi was gifted the win. shit like that happens... the bonehead factor in Brno was when it happened.
ding ding ding
Does Ben's mother still hang around the track/races "guiding his career"?
Quote from: OT on August 02, 2009, 06:54:33 PM
Does Ben's mother still hang around the track/races "guiding his career"?
yup, she's still there...