Temp is starting to drop here in NYC as I noticed this early morning riding in. Probably have another week or two in my summer gloves before it gets uncomfortable.
Looking for recommendations on cold weather gloves. Bang for the buck would be optimal.
Thanks.
I know most companies make a winter glove, such as Alpinestars and Dainese that are almost like a snow glove. Another option are grip warmers, but I don't know very much about these. I believe Somegirl has them along with a few other people who could give you price and effectiveness.
The only cold weather glove I've used is the Joe Rocket Ballistic gloves, which are comfortable and warm in the upper 30 degree temps I've used them in, but I never worn them in below zero temps or wet conditions so I couldn't say if the were good in really cold or wet conditions. I'm pretty sure there are better gloves out there if you are looking for the best for the coldest and wettest conditions.
Another NYC rider that i never see in the NYMMC Forums!
This morning was pretty cold. My hands were deffintely feeling it. I wear perfed leather shortys.
Im not sure what im looking to pick up this summer yet. THere are two options for me. Heated grips + the scorpion XDR recon gloves, or the Fieldsheer carbon heated gloves.
Heated grips are good, but the main problem is the back of the fingers and finger tips. Your best bet, if you dont want to spend a shitload, is to get some handguards to keep that wind from stealing your heat. Not unless you are looking at heated gloves. but taht mess comes with wires that you may or may not want to deal with.
Whatever you get, make sure they're big enough -- I tend to like motorcycle gloves almost snug, but that's been a huge mistake the couple of times I've done it with winter gloves. I've got lousy circulation in my fingers to begin with, and any constriction at all doesn't help one bit. Err on the "too big" side, rather than "too tight, maybe they'll stretch" side with winter gloves.
I lust after a pair of heated gloves, but haven't been able to swing the price, yet.
these are the ones that im getting...
http://www.revzilla.com/product/firstgear-heated-carbon-gloves (http://www.revzilla.com/product/firstgear-heated-carbon-gloves)
they have the non carbon ones for about $50 less.
Olympia "Cold throttle" gloves are the best I've seen. They're thin enough that they don't feel like ski gloves, waterproof (well, very water-resistant), have good armor, and cost about $60.
Pair them with some heated grips and you're good to go. But they seem to be better than most even without grips.
http://www.olympiagloves.com/viewgloves.html (http://www.olympiagloves.com/viewgloves.html)
(they're in the "all-season" section)
Quote from: He Man on September 17, 2009, 01:06:37 PM
Another NYC rider that i never see in the NYMMC Forums!
He Man, I post to the NYMMC forums, just not as often as the others. I'm the one who recently alerted everyone to the UN mess for traffic next week.
Heated grips, a whole other issue and probable topic thread. So new to this, bear with me.
Rev'IT winter gloves work pretty well. They aren't bulky enough to feel like ski gloves, but they aren't summer gloves either. Make sure you can try them on , or return them. Some of their gloves vary in size across diff models.
Quote from: scoprire on September 17, 2009, 04:09:13 PM
Rev'IT winter gloves work pretty well. They aren't bulky enough to feel like ski gloves, but they aren't summer gloves either. Make sure you can try them on , or return them. Some of their gloves vary in size across diff models.
Was looking at the H2O, both the Unix and Fahrenheit. Both on closeout on Revzilla.
If you do 'closeout' at Revzilla, make sure you've got the sizing right... you can't return them.
I have the farenheit H2O (think I even got them at Revzilla). I liked the Unix, but found the farenheit cheaper. I ended up w/ an XL that felt too big at 1st. That's when I found out about their closeout policy. For the cold, it's better a bit loose so you aren't cutting off circulation, so I kept them. Glad I did. If I put a liner under them, they feel too tight.
For comparison... I bought a pair of Dainese gloves when I was at the Indy MotoGP. They're mediums.
One thing I DON'T like... even though they are waterproof, they don't have a visor wiper on them. Neither do my Rev'IT rain gloves. It's just not something they put on their gloves. Quality is really good though.
Quote from: scoprire on September 17, 2009, 04:26:12 PM
If you do 'closeout' at Revzilla, make sure you've got the sizing right... you can't return them.
Yeah, thanks for the reminder, had that happen when I bought Rev'it Dakar Pants (still trying to be sold in gear to sell forum here). I bought a medium thinking I'd need the room underneath for layering. Waste is way too big. I might have to get them altered if I can't sell them with suspenders and wear them like firemen bunker pants.
Do Rev'it's run small, big? Thinking medium should be ok (I have small hands) and I can wear a liner underneath.
They seem to run small in their winter gloves. I thought my hands were fairly small till I was looking at gloves. Mine are right at 9in measured just behind the knuckles. The size chart on Revzilla shows a LG for me, but I have the XL. I haven't tried on the LG, so I don't know how it compares.
I saw your pants up for sale. What size waist do you normally wear?
Quote from: scoprire on September 17, 2009, 04:44:11 PM
They seem to run small in their winter gloves. I thought my hands were fairly small till I was looking at gloves. Mine are right at 9in measured just behind the knuckles. The size chart on Revzilla shows a LG for me, but I have the XL. I haven't tried on the LG, so I don't know how it compares.
I saw your pants up for sale. What size waist do you normally wear?
Hmmm, than a medium might work...
I'm a 30 normally in jeans, figured the Medium (32) would be fine with jeans and the insulating liner under. The pants throughout are fine. Waist is huge. Knee pads don't really line up either.
I picked up a pair of the Fieldsheer Attack gloves this spring that I'm really happy with. Good quality, warm enough down to around the 40s, and under $50.
Quote from: Bun-bun on September 17, 2009, 06:55:05 PM
I picked up a pair of the Fieldsheer Attack gloves this spring that I'm really happy with. Good quality, warm enough down to around the 40s, and under $50.
How is the sizing? Run big, small?
Quote from: Triple J on September 17, 2009, 02:51:34 PM
Olympia "Cold throttle" gloves are the best I've seen. They're thin enough that they don't feel like ski gloves, waterproof (well, very water-resistant), have good armor, and cost about $60.
Pair them with some heated grips and you're good to go. But they seem to be better than most even without grips.
http://www.olympiagloves.com/viewgloves.html (http://www.olympiagloves.com/viewgloves.html)
(they're in the "all-season" section)
Nice suggestion .... I wear & like the Accordion, and these (All Weather Cold Throttle) seem smart - thinner palm, more insulated back.
I've got some old Grandhoe ski gloves I use for coldest morning so far, warm plenty but not ideal for the moto.
I was surprised when trying gloves on - how tough getting a good fit is.
Got to try on the Olympia Cold Throttle in a small today. They fit good, not big. Wondering if I should buy a medium to be a little bigger and to possibly fit a glove liner or silk glove underneath when it really gets cold. Think the Olympia may be a little more to the real cold days and not for the next couple of months. Tried a pair of Fieldsheer's on too, but don't know which ones, liked how they fit also. Will have to try to find more to try on.
Quote from: JasonV on September 17, 2009, 04:48:50 PM
Hmmm, than a medium might work...
I'm a 30 normally in jeans, figured the Medium (32) would be fine Waist is huge.
most (or some) moto pants are in "overpant size" which runs 2 inches bigger, IE a 32 is actually a 34
you should ask the vender if they are true size or overpant size before ordering in my experience
i just picked up the Scorpion XDR AWe pants in size medium.
im a 30 inch waist. thing fits perfect. just that the legs are bit to long. but you cant do anything about that unless u tailor it. What do you expect to ride in as "real cold". Anything below 30, almost requires heated gear.
edit: I swapped for a small. since the smallest setting on the pants were just right but not snug enough to wear without the liners.
Lee Parks Design Deer Sports Insulated with phase change lining.
Freakin' awesome winter gloves that work on a Monster. [thumbsup]
Quote from: 10/10ths on October 05, 2009, 12:07:09 PM
Lee Parks Design Deer Sports Insulated with phase change lining.
Freakin' awesome winter gloves that work on a Monster. [thumbsup]
These?: http://www.leeparksdesign.com/eshopprod_cat_530-3637_product_148850.DeerSports_PCi_Black.htm (http://www.leeparksdesign.com/eshopprod_cat_530-3637_product_148850.DeerSports_PCi_Black.htm)
Holy crap that's a ton of money!
it is. Defintely not worth it IMHO. There are much cheaper gloves out there that will give you the same performance. at the cost of $170 i expect that thing to be powered by a mini nuclear reactor and give off heat
Although the site had other pairs, saw one for $100. Would love to see them in person first.
I have a pair of his uninsulated Deer Tours gloves (shorties), and wear them about 90% of the time.
They are cool when it's hot and warm when it's cold. I also have given up on my rain gloves, in favor of the deer sports. They get wet, but not cold and clammy.They dry up well, and remain soft.
The seams are on the outside making the glove smooth and comfy on the inside. The seam also makes a great visor squegy in the rain.
Definately worth the investment IMO. If I rode when it was colder, I would definately pony up for the PCI insulated gloves. YMMV
Lee is at most of the IMS Moto shows and racing events in the US.
i was looking for claw/index mittens, but settled for a pair of fieldsheer eskimo gloves...
i can't speak towards how well it keeps the cold out yet (seems quite warm), but they are really nice quality. pre-formed grip, soft leather, built in rain covers, visor wipe.
a little pricier than the attack gloves, but on clearance from motorcycle closeouts for $60.
http://www.motorcyclecloseouts.com/hot+deals/special+promotions/fieldsheer_eskimo+gloves (http://www.motorcyclecloseouts.com/hot+deals/special+promotions/fieldsheer_eskimo+gloves)
I just ordered a pair of Eskimos. It's been pretty chilly here, so I'll post a review after they get here.
One thing you can do is get a pair of silk liner gloves for next to nothing and they will help keep your hands warmer whatever outer gloves you get.
Even though they are very thin.
Dolph :)
I just bought a pair of Firstgear TPG Glacier gloves at my local Cycle Gear. They were on the bargain shelf at 60% off...paid less than $40...fortunately in my size! Very nice glove!
++ on the silk liners! My other gloves are perforated leather, but if I had a solid leather glove, I would have gone with a liner.
New cool weather jacket is a Fieldsheer Aqua Tour and a pair of Xelement weather proof over-pants from Leatherup. Feets covered by Tourmaster Solution. Need a decent neck cover balaclava thing.
I bought waterproof lobster claw overgloves today and went for a 100 miles test ride, 40 F.
They made my hands comfy/ok for an additional 30/40 miles compared to riding without them.
The comfort/warmth with these on, was about the same as riding in weather 10 degrees warmer without them.
I'm going to try the battery heated liners, I think.
Quote from: stopintime on October 10, 2009, 10:19:56 AM
I bought waterproof lobster claw overgloves today and went for a 100 miles test ride, 40 F.
They made my hands comfy/ok for an additional 30/40 miles compared to riding without them.
The comfort/warmth with these on, was about the same as riding in weather 10 degrees warmer without them.
I'm going to try the battery heated liners, I think.
which ones are you looking at getting? If anything, make sure they are powered by Lithium Ion.
If they advertise to run on NiMH, stay away, NiMh batteries dont work in the cold, or when they are vibrated.
Quote from: He Man on October 10, 2009, 01:06:34 PM
which ones are you looking at getting? If anything, make sure they are powered by Lithium Ion.
If they advertise to run on NiMH, stay away, NiMh batteries dont work in the cold, or when they are vibrated.
I ordered the ones you linked to here http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=30401.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=30401.0)
If they don't perform as expected, I'll blame you [evil]
The battery pack can be used with NiMH or AAA. Upgrade option was rechargeable Lithium.
I can't use the US charger, so it's AAA for me. They will probably be used only a few times a year, so the cost of AAA is OK. If the cost or battery box becomes a negative I can hook them up directly to 12V.
That wasnt me who posted that, it was my twin!
Seriously though, AAA NimH will NOT work in the cold. They discharge extremely quick. Unless you have it up against your body keeping it warm.
And for $160 you can get a nice set of Gerbings, but the controller would set you back another 70US shells.
Third day using my new Firstgear Glaciers and the sewing on one of the cuff velcro tabs tore. I only paid $40, but there are supposed to be $100 gloves. :(
Quote from: He Man on October 10, 2009, 01:06:34 PM
which ones are you looking at getting? If anything, make sure they are powered by Lithium Ion.
If they advertise to run on NiMH, stay away, NiMh batteries dont work in the cold, or when they are vibrated.
I'm a bit of a battery nut (or at least, so says my GF [laugh]) so I wanted to add my $0.02. NiMH are quite good in low temp situations. You'll take a hit of approx. 10% for freezing temps, but it's not bad, particularly compared with other cell types like alkaline that have higher internal resistance.
Here's a link to low temp specs for one of the current best NiMH batteries in the AA and AAA form factor: http://www.eneloop.info/home/performance-details/low-temperature.html (http://www.eneloop.info/home/performance-details/low-temperature.html)
Confusingly, there are a bunch of different battery types all under the lithium category: primary lithium batteries (e91, CR123A), lithium ion, and lithium polymer to name a few common ones. These are all different with different characteristics not to be confused with one another. The specific one mentioned, lithium ion, is actually known for its poor low temp performance (see http://www.osti.gov/bridge/servlets/purl/7203-trKhAA/webviewable/7203.pdf (http://www.osti.gov/bridge/servlets/purl/7203-trKhAA/webviewable/7203.pdf) for more details). The others work well. Given this is a AA form factor, if you want to go lithium, I'd stick with a lithium primary AA battery like the Energizer Lithium series.
I'm not familiar with any literature on vibration with NiMH, but given these are dry cell vs. wet cell like our 6v motorcycle batteries, if the wet cell with its fragile plates can withstand the vibration, I'd be very surprised if the NiMH batteries were problematic. NiMH is the common battery technology well tested in both hybrid cars and for bicycle lighting which are both exposed to shock without many issues.
thats some good info. But then why does do my Go Pro camera with NiMh only work for ~30 mins on the motorcycle but ~2-3 hours when i have it mounted on my bicycle? When the GoPro is mounted on my motorcycle it vibrates as much as my bike's engine is revving at...
The energizer Lithium Batts are GREAT. But they are $$$.
Quote from: He Man on October 14, 2009, 04:46:31 PM
thats some good info. But then why does do my Go Pro camera with NiMh only work for ~30 mins on the motorcycle but ~2-3 hours when i have it mounted on my bicycle? When the GoPro is mounted on my motorcycle it vibrates as much as my bike's engine is revving at...
Short answer: I'm not sure without more information. ;D
Long answer: Often I find low runtine on NiMH issues are typically due to one of three factors:
- Improper low voltage cutoff
- Bad contacts
- Bad batteries - typically due to poor care and feeding
Since you're using the same device and the batteries are the same, I'd focus on the second option. As just a guess, I find my motorcycle's bumpiness finds more issues with contacts as it is repeated high amplitude vibration vs. on my bike. So if you have a spring or contact that is not pressing with suitable force against the battery or if the battery is not snug within the battery compartment to reduce movement (different batteries have different thinknesses as the form-factor standard provides for some variation -- you can try fixing this by using tape to increase diameter), this can bring out low battery behavior.
The real way to test this is to connect a multimeter to your camera as you ride around to see if there's a difference in voltage and current draw. But short of that, the other thing you might want to try to see if it really is a NiMH issue is another brand of NiMH battery or even alkalines to see if there's a difference there. If so, it's likely the contacts vs. the battery chemistry.
Quote from: He Man on October 14, 2009, 04:46:31 PM
The energizer Lithium Batts are GREAT. But they are $$$.
Definitely -- main benefits to them are they have amazing shelf life (10-15 year), are extremely light (50% that of NiMH), and work in extreme conditions (-40C). But they are terrible on the wallet! [cheeky]
Good info!
I have a multimeter,ill mount the cam and let the bike idle at varying RPMs and see if there is a voltage drop as i rev along...
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Quote from: redxblack on October 07, 2009, 03:53:29 PM
I just ordered a pair of Eskimos. It's been pretty chilly here, so I'll post a review after they get here.
I've not ridden with these yet as they arrived today. They feel thick - like decent winter snow gloves. I had tried a pair of RevIt H2Os and liked them a lot because they had a lot of feel. These don't seem to. They do have a lobster claw over-glove that can pull from a wrist pouch. They would make excellent snowmobile gloves, but don't have the tactile response of the RevIt gloves (that are the same pricepoint when the fieldsheer are not on clearance).
post up when you get a chance to try them out. Its 40 degrees tomorrow, i got ALL of my gear minus gloves. Im still using my Firstgear hipora gloves....yea they dont work that good, but my hands can take a bit of morning frost, so they will have to make due.
If anyone is thinking heated grips, think about heading down to your BMW dealer. Some of their winter gloves are designed to work with heated grips.
just ordered some Tour Master Winter Elite gloves ( because of the review in Motorcycle Classics review .."The warmest non heated gloves we have ever tried ")
will let you know what there like
got them off e-bay on a buy it now ..make an offer for $82
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=69.msg536646#msg536646 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=69.msg536646#msg536646)
Quote from: He Man on October 18, 2009, 09:54:17 PM
Just picked up G3 Microwire gloves and a $15 on off switch from Gerbing at 20% off DIRECTLY FROM
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Subtotal: $154.90
Promotional Discount (GM20): -$30.98
Shipping (FedEx Ground): +$11.10
Grand Total: $135.02
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cheers
Nah i ordered it when i posted it. It should ship soon and i should get it shortly afterwords. The discount is great and I searched last time when i tried to order but couldnt find anything so im glad i waited.
Microwire is suppose to heat up instantly compared to copper wires and all reviews say these suckers are HOT at 40 degrees and very warm in 20s. :) perfect!
The T5 gloves are new, and the few remarks i found online says they arent worth the extra $30 bucks. Im pretty broke after buying my Scorpion XDR gear so i stuck with an on/off switch that ill ziptie to my frame (like a side mounted damper).
You should pick them up if you are thinking about heated gear before the coupon expires (dont know when... dealers are also offering 20% off in their winter presale so if you have one local check it out). gerbing has a 30 day satisfaction guarentee as well!
I rode in this morning with the Fieldsheer eskimo gloves. It was 42 degrees f and I have a 38 mile commute, mostly freeway. My average freeway speed was 70 mph, total commute was 40 minutes.
They were a HUGE improvement over my regular short cuff summer gloves, but not a big difference from my $12 ski gloves. After half an hour, my fingers were beginning to feel the chill. By the time I got to my destination, my hands were cold. The gloves are bulky and it was a little strange using them on the clutch and brake. I felt like I had Mickey Mouse's hands on my wrists.
I'm going to give them another AM commute run later this week w/ the overlining in use. I don't think it will make much difference, but we'll see.
just got back from a ride today ...........bike temp never got out of the 70's ...outside temp about 8-10
the Tour Masters were amazing !!!! very warm .........i could even undo my helmet after i was done ...lol
i recommend these gloves
which tour masters do you have?
The Elite
http://www.tourmaster.com/xcart/product.php?productid=109&cat=9 (http://www.tourmaster.com/xcart/product.php?productid=109&cat=9)
got my gerbings today will write up a review when i test them out.
meanwhile here is a teaser review.
This pic was taken 3 minutes after turning it on.
(http://kuixihe.com/sites/default/files/images/IMG_7963.preview.JPG)
its pretty consistent so with the wind ripping heat away, i think it will have no problems staying at 130degrees as advertised.
the only thing i dont like is the fact that there is 100grams of thinsulate. its too thick.... i wish they were more liek summer gloves that had a stupid amount of heat. but im happy. the palm is cold though... thats my main complaint.
I'm going to look into some RevIt Fahrenheit gloves. I tried a pair at the shop and loved them, but they didn't have my size. These were too small.
Quote from: redxblack on October 28, 2009, 04:40:47 PM
I'm going to look into some RevIt Fahrenheit gloves. I tried a pair at the shop and loved them, but they didn't have my size. These were too small.
I was looking at a pair of Farenheit or Tempest gloves. I ended up going for the Tempest H2O but it's not water proof like I had hoped. :-\ They've got the super absorbent liner and are nearly impossible to put back on if your hands get wet like when you tank up. Even sweating a lot makes them difficult to put back on. They are decent for cold though. I wanted rain and cold weather gloves so these didn't work out for me.
I wwear silk liners under my Held Galaxy gloves and I'm absolutely warm and toasty without being too club-handed. I can stick the liners in my jacketpocket and put it on when the temp drops unexpectedly..