I landed head first on my Scorpion EXO-700. I thought the helmet fit good. I could feel my cheek against my teeth, nothing uncomfortable. The front of the helmet didnt push into my teeth and the strap was on tight.
I'm pretty sure I high sided and landed on the top left corner of my helmet.
I feel like i have a small concussion, since my right brain lobe feels like its throbbing a bit. and my right jaw is sore as hell. I couldnt bite down without my teeth mislaigning due to the swelling for a few hours after the getoff.
So my question is, is a properly fitting helmet suppose to leave you feeling like that? The impact was probably the speed of gravity over the course of second or two. so it was not high speed at all...
I'm not sure if I should go for a nicer helmet, such as an AGV (i've heard some good stuff about them and my friend is going ot bring his over for me to try since we are the same size) or stick with the cheaper Scorpion EXO line up.... I dont mind the noise or weight. But ive crashed in both a Shoei RF-1000 and Scorpion EXO700. The scorpion was a size too large and left me feeling like crap. But i also didnt land directly on it.
Any words of wisdom?
if all your grey matter stayed where it belongs, i think the helmet did its job
Quote from: He Man on September 21, 2009, 06:09:23 PM
So my question is, is a properly fitting helmet suppose to leave you feeling like that? The impact was probably the speed of gravity over the course of second or two. so it was not high speed at all...
It's so hard to say. I've solidly whacked my helmet a couple of times (once with a highside and once tumbling lowside as a Buell plowed into me. f'n Buells). My helmet fit really well and other than some very slight bruising on the bridge between my eyes, it was fine. No concussion or jaw soreness (OTOH, I did feel like I'd been hit by a Buell). Not to say that you can't get your bell wrung even if your helmet fits well, but I'm pretty sure that I would have felt it a bunch more in both of those crashes if my helmet had been a size too large.
Your helmet did its job this time, but I'd go through the extra effort to get on that fits well. It doesn't have to be expensive like and AGV or Shoei or Arai. Just try a bunch and find one that works with your giant-sized brainiac head.
How many times have you seen a racer knocked unconscious after a highside hit to the head? Helmets aren't the end all of protection. They drastically increase the odds, but nothing is perfect.
Ill look into a different brand and try some helmets.
I dont think i hit my head all that fast, dispite the fact, my head still hurts a bunch, which is really why im asking.
i didnt think i hit my head much at all when i dumped last spring....until i looked at my helmet.
it was toast from a max 15mph crash (and i think i hit elbow, shoulder, head)
Quote from: herm on September 22, 2009, 05:44:59 PM
i didnt think i hit my head much at all when i dumped last spring....until i looked at my helmet.
it was toast from a max 15mph crash (and i think i hit elbow, shoulder, head)
Describe toast...
i barely had a mark on my helmet. The only other time i got my head rung was being TKO'ed by a fist. that one hurt a hell of a lot more though. :P
(http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt288/go_bones/SU%20outing/P1000150.jpg)
after i bounced on my head and rolled over, my leathers too kthe rest of the beating.
I agree that as long as your head is still in one piece that it did do its job. I always think of my head likened to the yoke of an egg and that the hard egg shell represents the helmet. So as long as your yoke isn't all messed up then you're in good shape. Just bear in mind that your helmet is toast now and not to wear it anymore even though the damage isn't fully visible.
When I went down my neck and jaw were sore for a few days, but I took 90% of my impact in the jaw bar of my helmet.
Alive = Check!
Face Intact = Check!
Helmet = Toast, but Check for doing it's job!
Quote from: He Man on September 22, 2009, 06:01:15 PM
Describe toast...
i barely had a mark on my helmet. The only other time i got my head rung was being TKO'ed by a fist. that one hurt a hell of a lot more though. :P
(http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt288/go_bones/SU%20outing/P1000150.jpg)
after i bounced on my head and rolled over, my leathers too kthe rest of the beating.
Well there's your problem right there.. You've got a huge Giants logo on your helmet, no wonder your brain hurts.. [laugh]
Seriously though, you'd be surprised the forces you're absorbing in any crash. Again, I'd go for fit first. All of the manufacturers have to pass a series of tests before their products are approved. The most important thing is that you're ok afterwards.
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Well there's your problem right there.. You've got a huge Giants logo on your helmet, no wonder your brain hurts.. laughingdp
Watch it there buddy. Your hitting close to home. >:( [laugh] [thumbsup]
I picked up a soft tape...turns out im suppose to be a small in Scorpion. The medium is advertised for 22 3/8". My head is 21 7/8" thats a whole 1/2 inch! no wonder my freaking head hurts. [bang] I wonder what made my head shrink!
I went to look for a size small...but then i found a Shark RSI...they run 1 size larger than advertised....so i should buy a XS. Lucky for me XS is on sale for $120 marked down from $350!!!! Ill give this helmet a try. the shape is on par with other helmets ive worn based on revies. so it should be a nice fit!
So I'm wondering myself on proper fit b/c the front of my helmet (under the visor) does rest on my chin a bit during higher speeds. normally it can sit a 1/2 inch or so away from my jaw, but I am concerned that in an impact, it may break my jaw/teeth or something of the sort.
I have a couple of other helmets, so perhaps I should see how that part of the helmet fits on them......
when i first bought my new helmet it was tight. but after wearing it for awhile it started to loosen up.
next helmet will be a tighter fit new.
I got my RSI helmet today. Size X-small fits great. ONly 1 complaint. the front of the helmet, if i push hard enough lands on my lips. :( guess this helmet doenst fit my shape head. Cant even return it casue it was on close out. >:(
He Man,
Have you seen this?
http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-helmets/motorcycle-helmet-shapes.htm (http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-helmets/motorcycle-helmet-shapes.htm)
no i did not. thanks for the link though. Scorpion EXO700 fits me the best out of all the helmets ive tried on. The Shoei RF1000 was the worst.
I have to really push really freaking hard and strain my neck to get my lips to touch it....id have to have a real nasty impact for it to really happen...but the threat is still there. :(
The EXO700 is Snell-certified, right? If so, they're harder and will transfer more energy to your head. Try a helmet that is ECE2205 certified.
Quote from: pompetta on October 01, 2009, 03:10:02 AM
The EXO700 is Snell-certified, right? If so, they're harder and will transfer more energy to your head. Try a helmet that is ECE2205 certified.
Or Snell2010 which is softer than Snell2005
I dont think there is a Snell 2010 helmet out there yet. but even then, the standards of the M2010 arent close to the ECE22-05.
Im looking only for helmets that have a DOT and ECE2205 cert. Snell hurts my head....litterally. My Scoprion EXO700 was M2000. So its even harder yet.
edit: Just called up Revzilla, even though its on close out, they are accepting returns and exchanges, so im sending the RSI back.
Does anyone know how the RSR2 fits? I really like shark helmets. Lightweight and the padding inside looks like it can really help when i crash again.
I have an RSR2. It fits me fine.
Quote from: pompetta on October 02, 2009, 03:28:34 PM
I have an RSR2. It fits me fine.
compared to?
I called up Sportbiketrackgear.com, the guy said that, with the RSI, he can pucker his lips and touch the chin bar. with the RSR2, he cant. So I'm more than likely going to pick up an RSR2. They have a nice black one at motorcyclecloseouts.com for $229, and I submitted a price match with Revzilla.
Is the RSR2 as light as they claim it to be? Cause the RSI is INSANELY light weight!
Quote from: He Man on October 02, 2009, 05:00:50 PM
compared to?
I called up Sportbiketrackgear.com, the guy said that, with the RSI, he can pucker his lips and touch the chin bar. with the RSR2, he cant. So I'm more than likely going to pick up an RSR2. They have a nice black one at motorcyclecloseouts.com for $229, and I submitted a price match with Revzilla.
Is the RSR2 as light as they claim it to be? Cause the RSI is INSANELY light weight!
Shoei RF1000, Scorpion EXO-700/1000, Shoei flip-up, Caberg Brutus, Caberg Justissimo,...
But how a helmet fits me has little to do with how it fits you.
Sportbiketrackgear.com has good service/communication FWIW.
Good luck with the lid!
Quote from: pompetta on October 03, 2009, 04:25:14 AM
Shoei RF1000, Scorpion EXO-700/1000, Shoei flip-up, Caberg Brutus, Caberg Justissimo,...
But how a helmet fits me has little to do with how it fits you.
Sportbiketrackgear.com has good service/communication FWIW.
Good luck with the lid!
Scorpion EXO700 is a perfect fit for me. Shoei RF1000 is a little roomy in the cheeks. So it sounds like the RSR2 will fit me fine. I exchanged my RSI for a Pilot Road 2 front, and im going to get the RSR2. SBTG said it would fit me much better than the RSI too. So lets see!
Quote from: He Man on October 02, 2009, 09:11:54 AM
I dont think there is a Snell 2010 helmet out there yet. but even then, the standards of the M2010 arent close to the ECE22-05.
Im looking only for helmets that have a DOT and ECE2205 cert. Snell hurts my head....litterally. My Scoprion EXO700 was M2000. So its even harder yet.
edit: Just called up Revzilla, even though its on close out, they are accepting returns and exchanges, so im sending the RSI back.
Does anyone know how the RSR2 fits? I really like shark helmets. Lightweight and the padding inside looks like it can really help when i crash again.
i would have to say that a snell certified helmet that fits properly, will probably do a better job of protecting your noggin than an ECE or DOT one that does NOT fit properly. just something to keep in mind...
Two things:
1) You can't feel pain in your brain lobes - there are no pain-sensing nerves in your brain (ironically enough). What you were feeling was a bump on the head.
2) After this experience which should underscore the importance of good fit, you go and buy a helmet online because it was cheap and you think it should fit based on reviews?
so, what's the perfect fit for a helmet.. tight all around with out letting it hit you lips? if it does, you may have a permanent gap?
i have a helmet here, fits pretty tight.. i got it for when drag racing the car.. some times it feels too tight though.. but i don't wear it much, especially since the cars new set up isn't done yet.. so it hasn't stretched at all..
Quote from: cokey on October 18, 2009, 08:40:04 AM
so, what's the perfect fit for a helmet.. tight all around with out letting it hit you lips? if it does, you may have a permanent gap?
i have a helmet here, fits pretty tight.. i got it for when drag racing the car.. some times it feels too tight though.. but i don't wear it much, especially since the cars new set up isn't done yet.. so it hasn't stretched at all..
In my experience, helmets that felt tight at first have always felt tight - I've never had one loosen up or stretch on me.
ah ok.. cool..
Quote from: Syscrush on October 18, 2009, 06:34:20 AM
2) After this experience which should underscore the importance of good fit, you go and buy a helmet online because it was cheap and you think it should fit based on reviews?
2) You trying to say something with that attitude?
Is there something wrong with buying a helmet based on reviews on how it fits? There's this thing called RETURNS AND EXCHANGES. Whats wrong with a discounted helmet? I RETURNED my RSI (DISCOUNTED) and bought an RSR2 (also DISCOUNTED). It fits GREAT all around because the reviews of it compared to helmets i have worn. Should I return it because you think its stupid to buy online based on fitment reviews and cause it was discounted? Should I be forced to buy whats at my dealer that is out of my price range and in limited selection?
Quote from: corey on October 12, 2009, 09:51:51 AM
i would have to say that a snell certified helmet that fits properly, will probably do a better job of protecting your noggin than an ECE or DOT one that does NOT fit properly. just something to keep in mind...
your definitely right. I've tried on over 10 helmets in the past weeks since i went down. I went down to a small and XS in certain models. But for the added security, i picked up a helmet that i think is safer based on my research on safety standards each helmet uses...however thats up to debate.
Quote from: cokey on October 18, 2009, 08:40:04 AM
so, what's the perfect fit for a helmet.. tight all around with out letting it hit you lips? if it does, you may have a permanent gap?
A good fitting helmet should move with your head. This is how i determined what fit for me.
1) put the helmet on and move your head side to side. if the helmet continues to slide when your head stops. Try a smaller size of differnt shape
2) put your palm above your visor and try to push the ehlmet down. see if it slides off the back of your head. If the helmet hits your nose in anyway try a smaller size or shape (however id push for a different shape helmet if that happens)
3) Press the chin guard up against your face. if the chinguard touches your lips, try a different size or shape.
If you bite your cheeks and its causing you to bleed or catch your skin, its too tight or too narrow for you. You should have your cheeks squished, but just enough so that you dont bite your cheek.
last but not least, this is just me, but i like to put the helmet on and go into a full tuck. Some helmets just dont feel good in the full tuck position becaus it hits your jacket. Hope this helps.
Quote from: He Man on October 02, 2009, 05:00:50 PM
compared to?
I called up Sportbiketrackgear.com, the guy said that, with the RSI, he can pucker his lips and touch the chin bar. with the RSR2, he cant. So I'm more than likely going to pick up an RSR2. They have a nice black one at motorcyclecloseouts.com for $229, and I submitted a price match with Revzilla.
Is the RSR2 as light as they claim it to be? Cause the RSI is INSANELY light weight!
how big are his lips? some folks got some big-ass liver lips.. i'm just sayin'
(http://static.open.salon.com/files/leech1234463201.jpg)
head injury test: how many fingers am i holding up?
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Quote from: ducatiz on October 18, 2009, 08:00:45 PM
head injury test: how many fingers am i holding up?
(http://thepirata.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/funny_finger_art01.jpg)
none i see a face!
Quote from: ducatiz on October 19, 2009, 04:20:26 AM
go to ER and get noodle fixed
going to the ER to get your noggin fixed is like smoking crack and not getting high.
Quote from: He Man on October 19, 2009, 06:42:53 AM
going to the ER to get your noggin fixed is like smoking crack and not getting high.
get high on cracK? that's nuts. i burn it cause i like the aroma.
i burn tires to get high.
Quote from: He Man on October 18, 2009, 07:17:00 PM
Is there something wrong with buying a helmet based on reviews on how it fits? There's this thing called RETURNS AND EXCHANGES. Whats wrong with a discounted helmet? I RETURNED my RSI (DISCOUNTED) and bought an RSR2 (also DISCOUNTED). It fits GREAT all around because the reviews of it compared to helmets i have worn. Should I return it because you think its stupid to buy online based on fitment reviews and cause it was discounted? Should I be forced to buy whats at my dealer that is out of my price range and in limited selection?
You're right, I'm sorry. I'm glad that you found a helmet you're happy with at a good price.
I was under the impression that all helmet sales were final for liability reasons (they are everyplace I've done business), I didn't realize that there was a return policy where you bought from.
I highly recommend being measured for size and shape anytime you buy a helmet. You may want that shiney new Corsair but truth is, it just may not be the right helmet for your head and the last thing you want to do is find out when bouncing off the pavement!