Derby's in dallas shopping for a rifle rack or something (Happy Birthday Derby! [yesterday]) and i'm not getting up in the middle of the night to update Spoiler references... so, you know the drill. this thread will eventually have all sorts of spoilers in it. be forewarned.
kick-off PR, bs, and schedule
http://www.worldsbk.com/en/news/latest-news/1043-imola-opens-gates-to-superbike-public.html (http://www.worldsbk.com/en/news/latest-news/1043-imola-opens-gates-to-superbike-public.html)
marco's coming to play!
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/152636/1/simoncelli_targets_wsbk_top_five.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/152636/1/simoncelli_targets_wsbk_top_five.html)
The Real News
http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/news/152601/1/spies_takes_title_lead_to_ducatis_backyard.html (http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/news/152601/1/spies_takes_title_lead_to_ducatis_backyard.html)
on speedtv: 2pm and 3pm, PST
GO THE BEN.
Woohoo!!! I've already got wood. And it's been more than 4 hours. Do I need to call a doctor or sumptin'?
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Dan, you're a dick. Take more pictures. [thumbsup]
Quote from: Spidey on September 24, 2009, 02:31:57 PM
Dan, you're a dick. Take more pictures. [thumbsup]
Will do, we'll be back at the track on Sat.
Quote from: DanTheMan on September 24, 2009, 02:46:32 PM
Will do, we'll be back at the track on Sat.
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Say hi to the Eye-talians, the crazy Spaniards and the Mexican. Jay or any of the younger Americans there with you?
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Quote from: Spidey on September 24, 2009, 03:04:26 PM
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Say hi to the Eye-talians, the crazy Spaniards and the Mexican. Jay or any of the younger Americans there with you?
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you can't ask a question and then call end-threadjack. ;)
Quote from: gm2 on September 24, 2009, 03:09:47 PM
you can't ask a question and then call end-threadjack. ;)
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why not?
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[laugh]
...exactly ;D
GREAT PICS...lookin forward to more...
and Happy Belated Bday to the Derb-ster!
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Sep/090925a.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Sep/090925a.htm)
1 lap of 1st practise and things stopped due to lack of traction in 1 section....safety concerns raised and being considered....
sykes' 'ready to taste the champagne' will have to wait... broken something or another after going down
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Sep/090925c.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Sep/090925c.htm)
I'm watching live timing right now. Is it still wet? Byrne is on top of the order, so I assume so. What are dry times?
Edit: scratch that. Spies is on top with 9 min to go.
Imola 25-26-27 September 2009 Superbike Free Practice Session Complete
Pos # Rider Nat Bike Last Lap Best Lap Gap Laps
1 84 Fabrizio M ITA Ducati 1098R PIT IN 1'49.895 22
2 7 Checa C ESP Honda CBR1000RR PIT IN 1'50.125 0.230 22
3 19 Spies B USA Yamaha YZF R1 PIT IN 1'50.213 0.318 24
4 65 Rea J GBR Honda CBR1000RR PIT IN 1'50.308 0.413 19
5 3 Biaggi M ITA Aprilia RSV4 Factory PIT IN 1'50.515 0.620 21
6 71 Kagayama Y JPN Suzuki GSX-R 1000 K9 PIT IN 1'50.516 0.621 21
7 91 Haslam L GBR Honda CBR1000RR PIT IN 1'50.716 0.821 21
8 67 Byrne S GBR Ducati 1098R PIT IN 1'50.801 0.906 23
9 96 Smrz J CZE Ducati 1098R PIT IN 1'50.806 0.911 26
10 11 Corser T AUS BMW S1000 RR PIT IN 1'50.876 0.981 20
11 14 Lagrive M FRA Honda CBR1000RR PIT IN 1'51.003 1.108 20
12 58 Simoncelli M ITA Aprilia RSV4 Factory PIT IN 1'51.090 1.195 22
13 41 Haga N JPN Ducati 1098R PIT IN 1'51.112 1.217 22
14 57 Lanzi L ITA Ducati 1098R PIT IN 1'51.333 1.438 20
15 31 Muggeridge K AUS Suzuki GSX-R 1000 K9 PIT IN 1'51.527 1.632 19
16 111 Xaus R ESP BMW S1000 RR PIT IN 1'51.769 1.874 18
17 100 Tamada M JPN Kawasaki ZX 10R PIT IN 1'51.898 2.003 21
18 66 Sykes T GBR Yamaha YZF R1 PIT IN 1'51.922 2.027 19
19 23 Parkes B AUS Kawasaki ZX 10R PIT IN 1'51.954 2.059 20
20 10 Nieto F ESP Ducati 1098R PIT IN 1'52.086 2.191 19
21 9 Kiyonari R JPN Honda CBR1000RR PIT IN 1'52.183 2.288 22
22 15 Baiocco M ITA Ducati 1098R PIT IN 1'52.446 2.551 23
23 99 Scassa L ITA Kawasaki ZX 10R PIT IN 1'52.792 2.897 21
24 124 Conforti L ITA Ducati 1098R PIT IN 1'53.389 3.494 17
25 77 Iannuzzo V ITA Honda CBR1000RR PIT IN 1'54.108 4.213 22
26 25 Salom D ESP Kawasaki ZX 10R PIT IN 1'54.258 4.363 22
27 94 Checa D ESP Yamaha YZF R1 PIT IN 1'54.428 4.533 25
Damnit Dan...you make my Indy coverage look like crap!
There's no rain here, i think the traction issue was a hard scrubbing of the track after the last car day, no rubber on the track.
Quote from: DanTheMan on September 25, 2009, 10:10:22 AM
There's no rain here, i think the traction issue was a hard scrubbing of the track after the last car day, no rubber on the track.
they were reporting no rubber on the track and or possible remnants of oil just not completely gotten up in cleansing of the surface or possible oils coming up from the track with additional heat post washing...it is a lil ambiguous....
I think where it is slippery...they need to send a buncha hooligans out there to just do burnouts all over the surface there to lay rubber and burn off oils and it'll be all good!...LOL...J/K.
Quote from: ZLTFUL on September 25, 2009, 08:56:32 AM
Damnit Dan...you make my Indy coverage look like crap!
it is an easy job to do!...LOL...cause it was CRAP!...
So, Sykes is out... where's Mladin when you need him. [evil]
Quote from: EvilSteve on September 25, 2009, 01:02:48 PM
So, Sykes is out... where's Mladin when you need him. [evil]
Whingeing somewhere...
I never thought much of it at the time, but i had to take a piss really bad, and the only spot was T1. I think, i dont know, never been there before.
Well wer're suppose to have a parade lap to the towm of Imola, lead by Troy balyss, but we'll see it it happens.
Superpole 3
Jonny Rea was once again the first to go fast, taking provisional pole with a lap of 1'48.045. Noriyuki Haga took pole away from Rea at the halfway mark, with a lap of 1'47.885. But Haga's reign would not last long, with just over three minutes to go, Ben Spies edged ahead of Haga with a lap of 1'47.778. Haga, already out of his leathers, had no option but to accept defeat, for the duration of Superpole at least.
But Ben Spies was not to take his 10th Superpole of the season. On his final flying lap, after the checkered flag had fallen, Ducati's Michel Fabrizio put in a final blistering lap of 1'47.735 to take pole, pushing Spies down into 2nd. Jonny Rea almost took forced Spies even further back, but lost a couple of tenths in the final sector, and had to settle for 3rd, ahead of Noriyuki Haga.
Results:
Pos No. Rider Bike Time Diff
1 84 M. Fabrizio Ducati 1098R 1'47.735
2 19 B. Spies Yamaha YZF R1 1'47.778 0.043
3 65 J. Rea Honda CBR1000RR 1'47.834 0.099
4 41 N. Haga Ducati 1098R 1'47.885 0.150
5 96 J. Smrz Ducati 1098R 1'48.156 0.421
6 3 M. Biaggi Aprilia RSV4 Factory 1'48.665 0.930
7 67 S. Byrne Ducati 1098R 1'49.092 1.357
8 58 M. Simoncelli Aprilia RSV4 Factory 1'49.338 1.603
9 11 T. Corser BMW S1000 RR 1'48.971 0.892
10 91 L. Haslam Honda CBR1000RR 1'48.992 0.913
11 57 L. Lanzi Ducati 1098R 1'49.060 0.981
12 10 F. Nieto Ducati 1098R 1'49.105 1.026
13 7 C. Checa Honda CBR1000RR 1'49.168 1.089
14 9 R. Kiyonari Honda CBR1000RR 1'49.340 1.261
15 14 M. Lagrive Honda CBR1000RR 1'49.641 1.562
16 66 T. Sykes Yamaha YZF R1 1'49.681 1.602
17 71 Y. Kagayama Suzuki GSX-R 1000 K9 1'49.906 1.522
18 23 B. Parkes Kawasaki ZX 10R 1'50.012 1.628
19 111 R. Xaus BMW S1000 RR 1'50.152 1.768
20 31 K. Muggeridge Suzuki GSX-R 1000 K9 1'50.414 2.030
http://www.motomatters.com/results/2009/09/26/2009_imola_world_superbike_superpole_res.html (http://www.motomatters.com/results/2009/09/26/2009_imola_world_superbike_superpole_res.html)
I coulda been wrong about Simoncelli. Looks like he sumptin' for everyone. New bike, new tires, new team and he's top 8 in Superpole. That's what we *would* have expected from Hopper when he first moved to WSBK. WTF, mang?
Ducati better have given Douchebrizio team orders at this point. If he and Haga are 1-2 in the race, he needs to let Haga past for the points.
Quote from: Spidey on September 26, 2009, 08:13:43 AM
I coulda been wrong about Simoncelli. Looks like he sumptin' for everyone. New bike, new tires, new team and he's top 8 in Superpole. That's what we *would* have expected from Hopper when he first moved to WSBK. WTF, mang?
...you forgot to mention his significant loss of track time due to the cancelled practice sessions.
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SENNA TRIBUTE
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MANY YEARS OF bAYLISS
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OTT interview with Martin and Greene:
http://www.onthethrottle.com/content/view/365/1/ (http://www.onthethrottle.com/content/view/365/1/)
Great race!
I'll bet Ben comes back in race 2 on fire. He just didn't seem to have the machinery to do it today.
Simoncelli makes some hairball passes, we was doing that all day, and also in practice.
The stands were absoultly nuts with Fabriz and Haga finishing 1 and 2, but they loved Simoncelli. And there were some Max B fans. Great races.
where are we, austrailia?
helluva day for the italians [thumbsup]
...back to -3. gonna be a battle to the end.
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=142321642571# (http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=142321642571#)(//)
Ducs showed up in force. Haga looks like he's back with that quiet, but indominitable form he had at the beginning of the season. What's up with The Ben in the last coupla races? He lost a lot of the look of invincibility. And Rea is starting to look like a f'n lunatic. Simoncelli was just damn impressive, though a bit nutty as well (remember when he T-boned Bautista(?)).
I can't believe Ducati didn't tell Fabio to let Haga win. That better not come back to bite them in the ass.
It's gonna be good from here on out. [moto]
Quote from: Spidey on September 27, 2009, 03:11:04 PMAnd Rea is starting to look like a f'n lunatic.
I seriously thought he was gonna kill Haga. Haga must have had some skidmarks after that.
Yeah, Haga is lucky as hell that Rea didn't T-bone him and end his season.
Quote from: Jester on September 27, 2009, 09:17:03 PM
Yeah, Haga is lucky as hell that Rea didn't T-bone him and end his season.
You mean do it AGAIN?
Haga must be getting pretty tired of Rea
Oh and Nitro Nori is back ;D
The thread is sure quiet without everyone posting THE BEN
I already hate Rea, but after reading his post race quote I can't help but confirm my feelings that he's a little pregnant dog. I saw a very different story on the screen than what he says:
“At the start of race one, the pace seemed quite slow and as I drew alongside Fabrizio to line him up for a pass he must have hit a curb or something. He sat up suddenly and pushed me wide, and I had to run straight into the gravel. Race two was not so good. I got a bad start and it turned into a bit of a dogfight, with people chopping me off and letting the brakes go again when I’d passed them. I made a few mistakes after that, but something also happened with the brakes, which had a bad vibration and the power was inconsistent.
Translation:
If it wasn't for those damn pesky riders finishing in front of me, I would've won!
I love it how it wasn't his fault. Douche.
I love it how your perspective & a Rea fan's perspective of the same incident would be completely different. You know all racers do this right? ;)
Here's an interview with "THE BEN" after the races about his incidents & the possibility of a GP switch (nothing new): http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=38224 (http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=38224)
I saw the races and on the replay of the 1st race of that move that led to Rea doin the dirty, it looked like the right turn, before that horshoe where he ditched, he came around Fabrizio on the outside and Fabrizio bumped him and pushed him wide...I didn't see it at 1st....I think he rides that Honda loose and slick and it works for him...but it looks cagey and a lil scary at moments....and this is a result of him having done so....
Quote from: El Matador on September 28, 2009, 12:55:18 AM
You mean do it AGAIN?
Haga must be getting pretty tired of Rea
Oh and Nitro Nori is back ;D
The thread is sure quiet without everyone posting THE BEN
THE BEN
;D
i've always been a huge nori fan and the guy *deserves* a title... i just still think it isn't going to be this year ;)
we'll see. i really hope it comes down to race 2 at portimao.
edit: http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/news/152835/1/spies_praises_haga_vows_to_push_on.html (http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/news/152835/1/spies_praises_haga_vows_to_push_on.html)
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reportedly that bike is tiny... at 6' tall marco sure makes it look that way
Quote from: gm2 on September 28, 2009, 10:07:35 AM
reportedly that bike is tiny... at 6' tall marco sure makes it look that way
It'd look even tinier if Marco's legs weren't 4 feet long, he's built like an ostrich.
Beautiful plumage.
Quote from: EvilSteve on September 28, 2009, 07:40:49 PM
Beautiful plumage.
is that what they are calling Marco's hair now???
Quote from: gm2 on September 28, 2009, 10:07:35 AM
reportedly that bike is tiny... at 6' tall marco sure makes it look that way
Imagine how 6'2" Camier is gonna look on it for the next two rounds. And I thought Xaus looked gangly on a bike. This is gonna be comical.
Quote from: Spidey on September 29, 2009, 07:00:44 PM
Imagine how 6'2" Camier is gonna look on it for the next two rounds. And I thought Xaus looked gangly on a bike. This is gonna be comical.
Monkey / Clown Bike Racing in Milton Keynes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvJyCVcOMZI#normal)
Quote from: Spidey on September 27, 2009, 03:11:04 PM
I can't believe Ducati didn't tell Fabio to let Haga win. That better not come back to bite them in the ass.
http://www.motomatters.com/opinion/2009/09/30/world_superbike_magny_cours_preview_3_to.html (http://www.motomatters.com/opinion/2009/09/30/world_superbike_magny_cours_preview_3_to.html)
Team Manager Davide Tardozzi was reportedly very unhappy with the young Italian after race 2, despite his win.
[laugh] [laugh]
Another hard-charging young rider who didn't make many friends at Imola, Ten Kate Honda's Jonny Rea, will also look to run at the front at Magny Cours, either around or through other riders, it doesn't seem to make much difference.
even if he's from Northern Ireland... he is still Irish after all... [drink] ;D
Quote from: gm2 on September 30, 2009, 01:12:36 PM
Team Manager Davide Tardozzi was reportedly very unhappy with the young Italian after race 2, despite his win.
I woulda been too. You could see a coupla times where he held back and was doing the right thing. But apparently, he can only keep the doucheosity in for so long.
Maybe I have the completely the wrong take on this, but racing is still a team sport. Team orders are just fine. That's why we have teams. When the championship is down to two riders and you're not one of them, you put aside ALL individual glory and do what you can to help. You don't force anyone off the track or deliberately screw up their line, but you don't take points away from your teammate and you do what you can to protect their ass. Douchebrizio should be clearing the way for Haga when necessary (i.e. pass someone and then slow the pace down a bit so that Haga has an opportunity to get by the person as well). The rest of the time, he should be sitting behind him covering up his ass so Spies has to get past him to get to Haga. If Spies takes off and Haga does't go with him, it's up to Fabrizio to drag Haga along until they catch up and then let Haga have the points. If Haga doesn't come along, Fabrizio needs to push Spies to see if he breaks and if he doesn't, back the make the beast with two backs off and give Haga the points.
They should sit down and talk about this stuff beforehand so Haga knows what's happening.
Quote from: gm2 on September 30, 2009, 01:31:04 PM
even if he's from Northern Ireland... he is still Irish after all... [drink] ;D
Being drunk is still no excuse for running of track that much. [laugh]
Quote from: Spidey on September 30, 2009, 02:22:44 PM
I woulda been too. You could see a coupla times where he held back and was doing the right thing. But apparently, he can only keep the doucheosity in for so long.
Maybe I have the completely the wrong take on this, but racing is still a team sport. Team orders are just fine. That's why we have teams. When the championship is down to two riders and you're not one of them, you put aside ALL individual glory and do what you can to help. You don't force anyone off the track or deliberately screw up their line, but you don't take points away from your teammate and you do what you can to protect their ass. Douchebrizio should be clearing the way for Haga when necessary (i.e. pass someone and then slow the pace down a bit so that Haga has an opportunity to get by the person as well). The rest of the time, he should be sitting behind him covering up his ass so Spies has to get past him to get to Haga. If Spies takes off and Haga does't go with him, it's up to Fabrizio to drag Haga along until they catch up and then let Haga have the points. If Haga doesn't come along, Fabrizio needs to push Spies to see if he breaks and if he doesn't, back the make the beast with two backs off and give Haga the points.
They should sit down and talk about this stuff beforehand so Haga knows what's happening.
i don't disagree with you, at least not entirely. but a) from team to team, the teams are often not
teams at all... just two guys with the same factory and sponsor backing -- and the rest of the year the first guy you want to beat is the guy in the garage with you, b) fabdouchio is italian, on a ducati, in a race at Imola, and c) he mathematically still had/has a chance at the title. we all know it's not going to happen, but it's possible.
if it comes down to nori & ben in portimao like i think it will, then yeah, he should be doing everything you just said. just like pedro did for nicky in valencia, '06... [cheeky] [laugh]
Quote from: Spidey on September 30, 2009, 02:23:34 PM
Being drunk is still no excuse for running of track that much. [laugh]
yeah, well, he's from the wrong side of the coutry. whaddyawant. =)
If Haga loses the championship by 5 points or less, Fabrizio deserves a hearty kick in the nuts.