So we went to Metallica tonight. Sweet show.
After leaving the parking garage on the monster we drive a bit down the road and there is a man who is clearly drunk or on something standing in the middle of the road, arms outstretched, staring at the suburban next to me and of course myself. He's screaming "why don't you hit me you stupid make the beast with two backss." So we sit there, he moves closer to the curb and I begin to go around. He then jumps back into the road and pushes me and I damn near dump my bike with Tara riding pillion on the back. How I managed to hold up the bike and our weight I have no idea. After that I'm dumbfounded tbh. He then says I need to get off the bike and he's going to cut my make the beast with two backsing throat and proceeds to spit on us. I'm in shock. He has a buddy yelling for me to just gas it and get the hell out of there, so it seems that's a pretty good idea and we do. A block down, I decide to bust a U-turn and flag down a cop. So I get to a few cops running traffic duty for the event and explain what just happened. They won't do a damn thing!? The cop tells me that he's working for American Airlines Center and he can't do anything for me? WTF? Why exactly are the cops there if they are not going to take care of patrons leaving the event? He wants me to call 911 and wait on a squad car. I told him the dude will be gone by that time, so I just said make the beast with two backs it and went home.
These are the times I really wish I carried a handgun you know? Some scum out there really has no business living. I think I did the right and smart thing to not retaliate. Who knows what weapons or whatever that guy had. No reason to get killed over some drunk idiot, but it was embarassing and I'm miffed as to why our city officers had no interest in helping whatsoever.
Holy ^&#$% :o You were lucky and totally right to get the hell out without smackin' the guy. The dipshit could've totally snapped...
But then what-the-hell, Cops?! Very weird; "Hmmm, direct traffic or go bust a rabid maniac...?"
Very scary. Glad you're O.K. though :-[
So, yesterday afternoon around 5:15 the wife and I are going home. We stop at a light between the two West End stations. My wife says to me to look at what is going on beside our Jeep! Now, I'm not at all a racist but on the surface this is what I saw. I look to see two rather LARGE black women having a total knock down drag out type of street brawl! It's like New Orleans all over again I'm thinking and am looking for a quick exit before stuff start flying through the air. Before the light can change I see this one black guy about 6'-4" just totally duke one of the ladies in the face !!! He's laughing and she's staggering around. The cops finally show up after about 40 black people start congregating around the fighters egging them on!! WTF !!
We live in very violent times people. There is no more common civility. Yes, get your CHL.
glad you were able to keep the bike and your girl off the pavement, dude... that's impressive. and i'm also glad to hear you exercised restraint; i know it must have been crazy hard to not want to have pummeled him after having disrespected you, your girl, and your bike like that. i hear what you're saying about wanting to have a gun for situations like that, but you did the right thing and just left; there was no real threat to you and a gun wouldn't have helped at all. i've had my chl for several months now, and have yet to carry. in fact i didn't even put in my holster order until like a month ago... but even when it arrives i'm not sure when i'll actually start carrying. i just want to be sure that i'm 100% prepared mentally for having such a huge liability strapped to my back...because in your situation i can't say i would have just driven away; i'm 90% sure i would have, but 10% sure i would have beat his make the beast with two backsing face into the ground.
anyway, sorry for the tangent. can't believe those "road guards" wouldn't help you out....one would think that's exactly why they're out there.
First of all: what's a "beast with two backsing"?
Second: Rich is right. Having a gun on you puts you in more danger than you think. Especially if you have a CHL - you can't even smell a beer when you carry, and if you ever shoot someone (in a life-threatening situation) you must "shoot to kill" (actual CHL instructor's quote) to avoid lawsuits from aggressor. Even then you still have a chance to be sued by the aggressor's family (various reasons). My lawyer says that in the best-case scenario, you are looking at around $20,000.00 in court-related costs.
Now, you can still carry a gun on you in your vehicle (not sure about motorcycle) according to a "Castle Law" as of last September, I believe. It's the same thing as having a gun in your home - to protect yourself and your personal property. And you don't have to retreat anymore - but I strongly suggest that you do (if possible).
I'm glad you are OK, very lucky. Now let's hope your GF doesn't think that you are puss :o
Quote from: petros2r on September 30, 2009, 06:24:58 AM
First of all: what's a "beast with two backsing"?
That's the forum's censoring filter. Turn it off in your profile settings. Look for "Look and Layout Preferences", and check the box "Leave words uncensored."
personally I think everyone needs their ass beat just once in life. Glad to hear you stayed cool under pressure because like Rich I don't think I would have but my numbers are 90% likely instead. I got run off the road once on my scoot and when we caught up to the guy...........well, we should have let it go but we didn't. He got his that day and hopefully soon that guy that did that to you will have the same done to him.
having the CHL puts TONS more responsibility in your hands and often you're the bad guy for some reason. next time I hope you're accompanied with peeps so that guy can get his lesson.
The cop may have been working a uniformed off duty second job. Who knows if he was actually on the DPD clock. Still, I agree, how f#@king aggravating to have him just blow you off like that. Even if he was not in a position to personally respond last time I checked they had radios! A simple call in to HQ or whoever was in charge of the AAC detail would have been nice. [bang]
I've had my chl since they first came out and carried in my car before it was ever legal. Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6 kinda deal. There have been a hundred times I was glad I wasn't carrying. Some people exist in this world just to take up space and breath up valuable air and the only reason they are alive is because it's apparently against the law to kill them. I think your little friend last night was one of them. Like Rich said, having a chl is a HUGE responsibility. Cooler heads always have to prevail. I have not been to one renewal class yet that I didn't think that half the class shouldn't own a gun. Either they were awful shots on the range (gee, how would they shoot under stress?) or complete dumbasses... or both. Scary stuff. It's amazing that bad things don't happen daily to chl holders. Thankfully they don't. [thumbsup]
Sorry about your troubles Jacob. Just glad nothing nasty happened and you both got home safely. Totally pissed off but safe. Who knows about that cop? Just wonder how much more trouble and mayhem that asshole caused to other folks leaving the AAC. Hopefully he's in jail or someone else took him out. ;D
Quote from: petros2r on September 30, 2009, 06:24:58 AM
First of all: what's a "beast with two backsing"?
Second: Rich is right. Having a gun on you puts you in more danger than you think. Especially if you have a CHL - you can't even smell a beer when you carry, and if you ever shoot someone (in a life-threatening situation) you must "shoot to kill" (actual CHL instructor's quote) to avoid lawsuits from aggressor. Even then you still have a chance to be sued by the aggressor's family (various reasons). My lawyer says that in the best-case scenario, you are looking at around $20,000.00 in court-related costs.
Now, you can still carry a gun on you in your vehicle (not sure about motorcycle) according to a "Castle Law" as of last September, I believe. It's the same thing as having a gun in your home - to protect yourself and your personal property. And you don't have to retreat anymore - but I strongly suggest that you do (if possible).
I'm glad you are OK, very lucky. Now let's hope your GF doesn't think that you are puss :o
Some good points there. I always told students in my classes that "you keep shooting until they stop doing whatever it was that made you want to shoot them in the first place". Telling students to shoot to kill or "warning shot" BS is just bad advice. It's always best to leave if you can and not have to shoot at all. Again, cooler heads always win. The post shooting hassles are tremendous and no fun. Plus you loose your gun as evidence. If you have a favorite carry gun go buy a second one!
Too much risk, in my book. While it's irritating and frustrating, exercising restraint is always the best policy, unless you just can't because you are in danger.
Most of us here have at least decent jobs, and great families. It's just not worth throwing away over someone who is drunk, on drugs, crazy, or some combo of the those items. Also, you truly have no idea what the situation is with this person, so assuming he needs a beating may simply be incorrect. If you can leave safely, you are better off leaving.
I lost my temper a few times and engaged when I shouldn't have. The time I gave in to it, I ended up in a squad car in handcuffs, although I was not the aggressor in the situation. Charges were dropped when the guys girlfriend rolled on him, but for me I felt worse. It turns out the guy was bipolar, and had just lost his mother and sister to a drunk driver. He was clearly in the wrong in taking it out on me and the stranger I stood up for, but I could have and should have diffused the situation and walked away. I consider myself smarter than that, and feel that I did not have the right to assume that "he needed a beating".
just my 2 cents, I realize many will disagree.
-Svoloch
More excellent advice. [thumbsup] People who are that f#@ked up should just be avoided. It's unfortunate that there are SO MANY of them!! It's like bad/dangerous drivers. As much as I want to blow a hole through their engine block I will go out of my way to slow down, change lanes, exit, catch the red light on purpose, etc. just to have them out of my life. I've been to Baylor Rehab Hospital before... it's not as much fun as it sounds. And neither is being hand cuffed in a squad car. :P Even if you are in the right.
I would never encourage anyone to engage in violence. Never. No one ever wins when that occurs. We are a civilized country. I wish people would act like responsible citizens and control their anger and actions more. Education helps that process.
A gun carried legally by a law abiding citizens as the last means of defense in a life-threatening situation is the last choice someone should choose with such situation. In the man in road incident, he was not actually threatening you physically with a knife or club it seems. Therefore you absolutely did the right thing in leaving. You won. He's a looser. Be satisfied with that.
To adress the topic of this thread first start by diagnosing the country's apetite for violence. It's quite easy to see. As far as America is concerned our family values have changed drastically. In short, America after the formation of our governement was centered upon industrializing our country. We had a purpose and a job to do. Just maybe we had enough of violence during WWII and again had a job to do insomuch as returning to family values. Prosperity was desired and needed to support the family. Prosperity gained and greed takes over for some. Families disentegrate with increased divorce rates. Fast forward to today...we now spend millions on 'games' that show us it's fun to be a wayward soul or monster or gangster and that every 'game' we sell to our kids shows our kids the important thing is only about killing the opponent and how to do it better and faster than anyone else. This is one of the sole reasons we see the blatant disregard of human life on our streets these days. Only in real life you can't push the restart button. I for one have gotten rid of all violent games in my house. The only games i have are skill games...like riding motorcycles!
JMTC
Good thread I got going here. ;)
Excellent advice by all of course. I don't think I could ever pull a gun on anyone unless I was truly backed into a corner, but the thought arises from time to time when you run across a total douchbag. Action is a different story.
The concert was great at least! They played some new stuff, but pulled out all the old hits for the crowd and the fire/laser shows throughout the concert were rockin'. I hadn't seen Metallica in around 13 years I think? Whenever they last performed with Pantera at Smirnoff about when I was graduating high school/early college. I'm not sure what year exactly, but they still perform wonderfully and we had a lot of cool people sitting with us. We missed most of the opening act, but really only went for Metallica anyway. [drink]
Quote from: Jester on September 30, 2009, 09:48:10 AM
I hadn't seen Metallica in around 13 years I think?
You got me beat--last time for me was in the late 80's at the Cotton Bowl (Monsters of Rock Tour).... :P
Metallic what? I take it that's a rock and roll type of entertainment show? It sounds that way by the way you youths are talking. [laugh]
I carry, but its a big liability. Can't in bars, can't have had a drink if its even in my car because it implies i have carried it while drinking, can't in many public venues, can't take it to the court of appeals where i work, can't carry it at the law school, etc etc.
But I agree with carrying in general. But you have to be in fear of your actual life, not just in fear of some bodily harm or harm to property. And you don't shoot to kill, you 'shoot to neutralize the threat'. Also, you don't later go and offer first aid, you let them neutralize out on the pavement while you wait for law enforcement to pay you a visit, confiscate your expensive firearm, and arrest you until they figure out what was going on.
Its a heavy burden on a person to choose to carry. Its not all that much more than choosing to keep a baseball bat in your car, though, or a sizeable pocket knife on your person.
Quote from: RED on September 30, 2009, 07:45:45 AM
I would never encourage anyone to engage in violence. Never...
I would.
Some people need killin'. :)
That used to be on the books in TN as a legitimate reason for doing it. He just needed killin'. (has to be the general perception of a large group in the community).
Times have changed. Something about witch hunting and mob mentality.
Quote from: RichD on October 01, 2009, 12:20:41 PM
I would.
Some people need killin'. :)
....What movie I can't remember at the moment...eh...Pulp Fiction?
"you sure do got a purty mouth, boy" is from Deliverance.
Dammit, shoulda brought my gun!!
Quote from: Jester on September 30, 2009, 09:48:10 AM
Good thread I got going here. ;)
I hadn't seen Metallica in around 13 years I think?
Thirteen years ago, if you didn't get punched, or punch someone else at a thrash metal concert, you probably weren't considered a real headbanger. [bang]
We all grow up; well, except for the morons. Congratulations, Jacob. I believe you showed you have achieved adulthood. [beer]
You could be an idiot like me and buy a 380 pistol and get your CHL. Now I have a license, pistol and no bullets.
We are taught to be a man and stand our ground, but in today's world, retreat. There are way more things that can go wrong by fighting and nothing but your pride is damaged in walking away.
Quote from: rickmillertx on October 05, 2009, 07:44:44 PM
You could be an idiot like me and buy a 380 pistol and get your CHL. Now I have a license, pistol and no bullets.
We are taught to be a man and stand our ground, but in today's world, retreat. There are way more things that can go wrong by fighting and nothing but your pride is damaged in walking away.
I have 3 boxes of 380cal. I bought then for a potential client of mine (long story) - never showed up... you want them?
Quote from: rickmillertx on October 05, 2009, 07:44:44 PM
You could be an idiot like me and buy a 380 pistol and get your CHL. Now I have a license, pistol and no bullets.
We are taught to be a man and stand our ground, but in today's world, retreat. There are way more things that can go wrong by fighting and nothing but your pride is damaged in walking away.
I remember the Chris Rock routine where he said we should not be worrying about gun control, but each bullet should cost $5,000. In this way, there would be no innocent bystanders. That guy must have done something, because there are $40K worth of bullets in him...
Quote from: rickmillertx on October 05, 2009, 07:44:44 PM
You could be an idiot like me and buy a 380 pistol and get your CHL. Now I have a license, pistol and no bullets.
We are taught to be a man and stand our ground, but in today's world, retreat. There are way more things that can go wrong by fighting and nothing but your pride is damaged in walking away.
Yep the .380 dried up fast! I have several .380s and was shocked when I heard from friends months ago that it was gone nationwide. Even saw some yahoo selling a box of Winchester "white box" ball ammo on eBay... one box and it was already over $50+ and climbing!!! Crazy s#@t. It is typically manufactured on the same line as 9mm and the need for 9mm worldwide is staggering compared to 9Kurz/9mmBrowning/.380acp. Most companies make a short run of .380 every year and usually that's enough to last in a normal marketplace. But Ruger's new .380 LCP auto has sold like mad and it hit gun stores at the same time as all the panic ammo buying took place. Bingo... no more .380. All the other ammo (.45acp, 9mm, .40SW, .223 and .308) that was in short supply has now come back but the prices are still stupid high. Not AS BAD but still way high. Saw this coming in 1999 (pre Y2K... remember that?) but it took ten years and a Democratic sweep to make it finally happen. Get used to it. Bikes and cars don't run without gas... just like guns and ammo. I sleep like a baby, I have more than enough. Old yes but also wise.[thumbsup] [laugh]
OK... end of threadjack!
Quote from: petros2r on October 05, 2009, 08:07:23 PM
I have 3 boxes of 380cal. I bought then for a potential client of mine (long story) - never showed up... you want them?
I'm interested as long as the price is not too high.
Rick
You can pm me.
I'd snatch those up if they are affordable. [thumbsup] Saw some Blazer hollow points at B&S Guns in Mesquite (I-30@Belt Line) that went for around mid $40s/box. Stupid high. But if petros2r doesn't have a .380 and no need for the ammo then hopefully he will take pity on a fellow DMFer. [clap] I'll keep an eye out for something decent and PM if I find you any. No sense in having a gun with no ammo. [bang] Like having a new scooter but no tires. :'(
Stupid me, I threw away 2 boxes last spring! I asked and asked everybody if they wanted them. oh well.
almost 9 years in US and specially Dallas never figured out why people have to get drunk and act like fools... I have seen more drunk people in Bars Concerts, street and Home parties in 8 years .. Kinda boring because it seems like people having parties so they can get drunk, specilly younger kids! Maybe is the stress of everyday life...
Here in Athens i go pretty much out to the open air coffee shops with friends every day... Haing a beer or coffee riding our bikes... Life is so much relaxed and you dont have to wait for the weekend to party hard... here is a photo from Today (well Today for you, yesterday for me!)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3418/3988656824_eeb77c53e0_b.jpg)
Everyone knows Americans are all wrapped a little too tight therefore we drink too much and act like idiots. Which is fine if we keep it at home. What's sad is when we go to other countries and act like assholes over there. It's one thing for people to think you are a drunken idiot... it's another thing to actually prove it to them! [bang] [drink] :P
damn, Giannis, I would spend my whole life in Greek coffee houses if I could get away with it... I need to sell off some of Brian's stuff and get my butt over there...
Glad you are enjoying being home, man!
Quote from: fastwin on October 06, 2009, 03:21:35 PM
Everyone knows Americans are all wrapped a little too tight therefore we drink too much and act like idiots. Which is fine if we keep it at home. What's sad is when we go to other countries and act like assholes over there. It's one thing for people to think you are a drunken idiot... it's another thing to actually prove it to them! [bang] [drink] :P
stereotype IMO. I've been drunk twice and neither was overseas. That said we, American's, are certainly wound-up WAY too tight. I miss the "easier" pace overseas but I think things are catching on here with 9/80 work weeks coming around and Utah in the lead.
Quote from: muskrat on October 06, 2009, 04:18:40 PM
stereotype IMO. I've been drunk twice and neither was overseas. That said we, American's, are certainly wound-up WAY too tight. I miss the "easier" pace overseas but I think things are catching on here with 9/80 work weeks coming around and Utah in the lead.
uh. dude. ain't you a venezuelan?
Some of the best riding times I have ever had were in Europe. I have only had the luck to go once and it was on a 3+ week motorcycle tour of Switzerland, France and northern Italy in the summer of 1989. Damn, 20 freaking years ago? How can that be?? Rented a Kawi Concours in Horgen, Switzerland and absolutely loved every damn minute of it. Learned real fast not to tell folks that we were Americans (duh... they could tell it a half mile off!) but that we were Texans! Made all the difference in the world!! People didn't give a s#@t about others on the tour but they took pics of us because we were from Texas! Some Swiss police pulled our group over for a "paper check" once and when they found out we were Texans out came their cameras so they could take pics of each other hanging with the Cowboys!! My first wife was smart enough to take a bunch of colored bandannas. She'd been to Spain before for school and knew that folks would go crazy over a dollar bandanna from Texas. It was like giving them a Stetson and a pair of ostrich ropers!! Those Swiss cops probably have those bandannas framed on the wall to this day!! [laugh] Made me damn proud to be from here! Normal Americans do not get that kind of respect. Shame...
I've never ridden in Europe [bang]
That being said, I've been all over the damn place ( Germany, Holland, Czech, France, Italy, Russia ), am obviously American, but have nearly always been treated very well no matter where I went. I've been to multiple countries south of the border ( Mexico, Guatemala, Peru ), one north of the border ( duh ), and multiple parts of Asia ( Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia, Taiwan ).
Nearly everywhere I went, people have been cool. Even during the Bush era.
In fact, what the hell am I still doing here with all you assholes?
That's because you are a seemingly nice person with no affiliation with the W Bush administration. You gave off no hostile vibes. I could see me screwing up most of the diplomatic immunity we have with those countries had I been involved in your travels. The words "nuke them from orbit" come to mind. Better your influence than mine. Even with the whole Texan thing I am sure I am still banned from most European countries. [laugh]
Quote from: The Svoloch on October 06, 2009, 05:54:16 PM
Nearly everywhere I went, people have been cool. Even during the Bush era.
funny how the media makes the cool aid taste so much better. :-X
Quote from: The Svoloch on October 06, 2009, 05:54:16 PM
..... In fact, what the hell am I still doing here with all you assholes?
That's DRUNKEN assholes to you, asshole! ;D