There have been casual discussions at various times about doing some more training and I think the previous Ozmo group training day (Stay Upright) was a great success and great fun too. It has been suggested that the Superbike School early next year would be an idea ... it seems their calendar only goes as far as December but it won't hurt to have a bit of a natter about things.
I know a few of you have already done the Level 1 course, but that would be the starting point for us. An advantage is that QBE policies cover you for Level 1 albeit with an additional 'training excess'.
So what say ye? Any interest?
Hmmm........Could be Interested.
What sort of things does the Level 1 Course Cover and what sort of riders is it aimed at?
Linky:
http://www.superbikeschool.com.au/common.php?common_id=2 (http://www.superbikeschool.com.au/common.php?common_id=2)
Yeah I'd be up for that have done level one last year.
I was going to do level two but just got busy "blinging"
that sounds like a fantastic idea im new to the forum and back to riding after a break so would love to brush up on those cornering skills....if you need numbers im in......... :) :)
I'm in........
This old dog can be taught new tricks...... [moto] 8)
In. Leathers may be an issue. Do we need them?
i checked this out and this may help answer your question wayne
http://www.superbikeschool.com.au/common.php?common_id=7 (http://www.superbikeschool.com.au/common.php?common_id=7)
[thumbsup]
7 already.
Gee anyone would think we like riding our bikes and getting better at it.
Betty - Level One
Jukie - Level One
Big T - Level One?
Ollie - Level One
Matty - Level Two
Wayne - Level One
Hambo - Level One
I'm sniffing a big group buy.
I could be up for that [thumbsup]
But they don't have your level....
You will have to be teaching us slow poke worried about our bling bikes bunch.
Im up for lev 4 again [thumbsup]
And your not so slow Matty who you trying to kid ;)
So we got 8 then.
Lets see if we can get 12 or more.
interested as well.
Quote from: mattyvas on October 20, 2009, 02:43:03 AM
7 already.
Gee anyone would think we like riding our bikes and getting better at it.
Betty - Level One
Jukie - Level One
Big T - Level One?
Ollie - Level One
Matty - Level Two
Wayne - Level One
Hambo - Level One
I'm sniffing a big group buy.
Matty Im interested too
I have done the Stayupright advanced level 1
so Im thinking level 2 like you.
Anyone been to both these schools ? how do they compare and would the levels be similar?
dez
I'm maybe interested, but I have not done the Stay Upright advanced cornering and braking.
Would this be a similar replacement or is it better to do the stay upright course first that I missed last time with you guys.
From my discussions with these training companies in the past they generally don't acknowledge courses done with somebody else ... but I have been advised to skip over the beginner/intermediate classes unless you have only just started riding or are returning to riding after a break. There is always something to pick up however and more practice is a good thing.
As for the specifics (I haven't read through their stuff recently) Superbike School make you start at their Level 1 and progress through. We have done the Advanced Level 1 with Stay Upright but have done nothing with the Superbike School in the past so will be starting at Level 1 (I think Matty has already done Level 1).
The Stay Upright Advanced 2 is focussed on cornering and braking which is the basis of the Superbike School I think. Interesting that neither of the advanced courses at Stay Upright are covered by the QBE policy but Level 1 of Superbike School is.
Perhaps somebody that has done both may be able to provide more info.
I was just advised by QBE over the phone that all rider course track days are covered ???
would like to hear more on this subject
UPDATE: Just spoke to again QBE STAYUPRIGHT 1 2 not covered only intermediate
SUPERBIKE 1 covered 2 upwards your on your own
bloody hell I flogged the crap out of my bike on level 1 200 k down the main straight scraping hard bits and sliding on some corners at high speed at oran park not insured [bang]
Should of read the fine print [coffee]
excuse me while I go and change my shorts :-[
IMO CSS is far better and much more fun.
Stay Upright was a great course but I found it a little limiting.
There is also the fact that it is run at Oran Park which is pretty old and bumpy now.
CSS is more track focused than Stay Upright but again I think you can take there lessons and apply
them to the road, it is about bike control, speed and finding your comfortable limits.
CSS is far more advanced and you can get more out of it, again my views.
But if you have known me since before I swapped to the S4Rs from the 620, track riding and CSS have alot to do with it.
Betty - Level One
Jukie - Level One
Big T - Level One?
Ollie - Level One
Matty - Level Two
Wayne - Level One
Hambo - Level One
Dock - Level Four a.k.a Track Demon
Goldfish - Level One ?
Six95 - Level One ?
Dezmonster - Level One ?
That's 11, one more and we get a free set of steak knifes [cheeky]
Pretty much what Matty said.
I've done Stay Upright 1 and 2 and Superbike School L1. Stay Upright is sort of street focused(ish) Superbike School is way more track focused (however the skills translate to assisting your road riding). I learnt a lot more at CSS than I did at StayUpright. I would recommend CSS to anyone that has been riding for a while that wanted to seriously improve their skills.
The only problem with Superbike School is you risk turning into a trackday junkie. [moto]
When are you guys looking at going? I'm in for Level 2, so now we have 12.
Betty - Level One
Jukie - Level One
Big T - Level One?
Ollie - Level One
Matty - Level Two
Wayne - Level One
Hambo - Level One
Dock - Level Four a.k.a Track Demon
Goldfish - Level One ?
Six95 - Level One ?
Dezmonster - Level One ?
Craigo - Level Two
The dirty dozen, steak knifes are now free
Can we aim for second set if we get another 6!
Oh and I think it will be next year as there next school days are at PI.
Depending on work load, im in.
Don
i may be talked into driving down and doing it.
paul.
really loony how do i twist your arm
left wrist first you can still ride with a dodgy left hand
anyone know the cost? and do you actually get to play and have some fun? it says if you treat it like a track day you get booted, surely you get to enjoy your new skills for a while on track?????
paul.
Matty will have to answer that
You do get to explore your skills but it is not about track day running.
Meaning your not running flat out, you are free to overtake if there is someone slower
in front of you unlike Stay Upright course we did which was single file.
Level One is about finding your comfort cornering, you run the morning sessions without using brakes.
Of course not unless there is danger about, but it about running into corners and picking your slow down points
using your engine braking only and then throttle control through and out of the corners.
Level Two I am told is about vision and seeing through corners not looking at what is directly in front of you.
And also continuing the things learned in Level One.
So what time of year are you thinking of for this group day Betty?
I am in for this one.
Would my son who would be on his " L "riders license be welcome/allowed to participate
he will be on his new [moto] VTR 250 naked which if you squint kind of looks like a Monster.
Dropping the deposit on it for him today.
Dez its a bit hard to get a clear idea on when at the moment as their calendar does not extend to next year and early next year was just what people had mentioned before. It is probably going to be difficult to organise a single date for everybody which ispartly why I wanted to get people thinking about it ... we'll just have to wait and see what the options are.
News isn't so good for Tyson (well not at the moment anyway), pulled this from their website:
Licensing
To participate in California Superbike School you must hold a current license for the motorcycle you are to ride. Whilst competition (MA) licenses are valid, learners permits are not. If you are unsure whether or not you hold the correct license to ride the track, contact our office for more information on 1300 793 423, or via email info@superbikeschool.com.au
As for the cost, website says $429 weekdays & $459 weekends so its not exactly cheap ... especially if you are paying for two [roll]
Quote from: dezmonster on October 22, 2009, 01:30:58 PM
... he will be on his new [moto] VTR 250 naked which if you squint kind of looks like a Monster.
Dropping the deposit on it for him today.
Woohoo! The mini-monster ... now I've heard that with a decent set of pipes ... [laugh] [evil] ;)
Quote from: Betty on October 22, 2009, 04:24:40 PM
Woohoo! The mini-monster ... now I've heard that with a decent set of pipes ... [laugh] [evil] ;)
Yeah he already has the mod bug and is pipe shopping , hasn't even got the bike yet [laugh]
I've done level 1 and its was fantastic. Keen to do level 2 so add me to the list Matty.
Betty - Level One
Jukie - Level One
Big T - Level One?
Ollie - Level One
Matty - Level Two
Wayne - Level One
Hambo - Level One
Dock - Level Four a.k.a Track Demon
Goldfish - Level One ?
Six95 - Level One ?
Dezmonster - Level One ?
Craigo - Level Two
Dannog - Level Two
The Don - Level One?
So that's 13 a bakers dozen +1, we are knocking on the door of 16 or more.
I think we may get a free lunch or at least a cup of tea.
is it possible to jump on the list as a maybe?
Defiantly for the level 1 course...
Sure that's what all the ? are for.
Betty - Level One
Jukie - Level One
Big T - Level One?
Ollie - Level One
Matty - Level Two
Wayne - Level One
Hambo - Level One
Dock - Level Four a.k.a Track Demon
Goldfish - Level One ?
Six95 - Level One ?
Dezmonster - Level One ?
Craigo - Level Two
Dannog - Level Two
The Don - Level One?
Monstar_100 - Level One?
So that's 15, do I hear one more...............
Tricolore, bring out that MV you've been playing with. It could be it's debut.
I'm definitely in for a "Level One"......... [thumbsup]
This is my first CSS outing..... [moto]
^^ same as me mate...
I AM IN!!!
Level 1 at this stage, I may do level 1 before then so it could up level 2 but for now 1 it is...
Now, MV or Duc???
Cool, so that's 16 of us mugs then.
Guess we might need to try to find out some dates then.
Back to you all shortly.
Betty - Level One
Jukie - Level One
Big T - Level One?
Ollie - Level One
Matty - Level Two
Wayne - Level One
Hambo - Level One
Dock - Level Four a.k.a Track Demon
Goldfish - Level One ?
Six95 - Level One ?
Dezmonster - Level One ?
Craigo - Level Two
Dannog - Level Two
The Don - Level One?
Monstar_100 - Level One?
Tricolore - Level One
Matty, Betty has just sent the guys and email to get some dates
what? no invite for me?? i did say i was interested....... bloody clicquey sydneysiders!
paul.
Sorry Paul,
as Andrew O'Keefe would say "your on the list"
Betty - Level One
Jukie - Level One
Big T - Level One?
Ollie - Level One
Matty - Level Two
Wayne - Level One
Hambo - Level One
Dock - Level Four a.k.a Track Demon
Goldfish - Level One ?
Six95 - Level One ?
Dezmonster - Level One ?
Craigo - Level Two
Dannog - Level Two
The Don - Level One?
Monstar_100 - Level One?
Tricolore - Level One?
Loony888 - Level One?
Okay, I have sent an enquiry to CSS for dates and an attractive price for a group booking.
Matty did you read my email. [roll] Betty has already done this
Sorry didn't mean to double up.
Did you PM me or email, cause I didn't get either.
Or was it back in the thread somewhere?
Anyways I have sent it saying we have a group of 17 or more.
Sorry I didn't mean email. Posted just above.
Anyway now we might get two discounts [laugh]
cheers matty. [thumbsup]
hope i can make the date now............ [roll]
paul.
Wow thats quite a list , hmmmm sounds like a good day
One more for the list thanks Matty. Level 1 please.
Betty - Level One
Jukie - Level One
Big T - Level One?
Ollie - Level One
Matty - Level Two
Wayne - Level One
Hambo - Level One
Dock - Level Four a.k.a Track Demon
Goldfish - Level One ?
Six95 - Level One ?
Dezmonster - Level One ?
Craigo - Level Two
Dannog - Level Two
The Don - Level One?
Monstar_100 - Level One?
Tricolore - Level One?
Loony888 - Level One?
Andy55 - Level One
there you go Andy
Level 2 for me :D
Your on the list or are you ;)
Betty - Level One
Jukie - Level One
Big T - Level One?
Ollie - Level One
Matty - Level Two
Wayne - Level One
Hambo - Level One
Dock - Level Four a.k.a Track Demon
Goldfish - Level One ?
Six95 - Level One ?
Dezmonster - Level One ?
Craigo - Level Two
Dannog - Level Two
The Don - Level Two
Monstar_100 - Level One?
Tricolore - Level One?
Loony888 - Level One?
Andy55 - Level One
18 peoples then!
Gee I want more than steak knifes now.
matty, I'll be a level one as well - and I'll also drag kickstart on his japacati out - I'm sure he'll be into it
Cool this is sounding like a great party oops sorry training day.
First two dates for EC have been released.
Haven't heard back from my email to them asking for pricing on a group.
Friday February 12th - Eastern Creek
Saturday February 13th - Eastern Creek
Quote from: mattyvas on November 05, 2009, 06:36:55 PM
First two dates for EC have been released.
Haven't heard back from my email to them asking for pricing on a group.
Friday February 12th - Eastern Creek
Saturday February 13th - Eastern Creek
Haven't heard back either Matty.
Neither of those dates suit as we are likely to still be on our way back from Tourismo.
um did i miss something , wouldnt you want too be doing this before tourismo
Quote from: bazz20 on November 05, 2009, 07:50:52 PM
um did i miss something , wouldnt you want too be doing this before tourismo
Kinda sorta ... but as Matty said they are the first dates released for 2010.
Quote from: Betty on November 05, 2009, 07:57:18 PM
Kinda sorta ... but as Matty said they are the first dates released for 2010.
you can be instructors after a week at the island [thumbsup]
OK peoples I finally got a reply, briefly:
. calendar is up for the next 6 months http://www.superbikeschool.com.au/category_product.php (http://www.superbikeschool.com.au/category_product.php)
. they do not offer any discounts ... I am tempted to reply with 'you can have 18 bookings or you can have none' (but reckon they will probably say they are always over-subscribed ???)
. 'L' platers are OK at Eastern Creek but they will have to meet all their usual 'L' plate restrictions eg. size of bike, etc
. Level 1 participants can book online, others will need to call
. other terms and conditions, etc can be found on their website http://www.superbikeschool.com.au/index.php (http://www.superbikeschool.com.au/index.php)
So what do you lot think?
Yeah got the same response from them which is a shame but I'll still Level 2.
the discount would have been nice :)..but hey not as nice as doing a course full of monsters or similar ......pick a date and im still in.......... [thumbsup]
Please enlighten me ???,
do they run different levels on the same day
so we all can go together irrespective of level ?
And can L plate riders come along on the same day?
If this is on that would be cool cause my son could come too.
If so you can take the ? from beside my name on the list
all this sitting on the fence is giving me a sore U*U
Dez I can only go on what I have found out, in red below:
Quote from: dezmonster on November 10, 2009, 11:29:13 AM
Please enlighten me ???,
do they run different levels on the same day ... I assume so only as they seem silent on the issue. I mentioned wanting to do it all at once in the email and they didn't say it was a problem. Not being allowed to book on line may have more to do with them checking your credentials and teeing up the right materials or instructors.
so we all can go together irrespective of level ? ... Perhaps somebody that has already done a course can help.
And can L plate riders come along on the same day? ... I specifically asked this for you. In different places on the website they state 'no L platers' then elsewhere 'no L platers at Phillip Island'. So they replied that at Eastern Creek it is OK so long as you abide by your 'L' restrictions. Again, they were silent on how they group riders for the day.
If this is on that would be cool cause my son could come too.
If so you can take the ? from beside my name on the list
all this sitting on the fence is giving me a sore U*U
All Levels are run on the same day, they just try to stagger the track time, so level 1 people
don't end up being on the track when Level 4 people are running around.
So yes we can do it all together but we'll end up in different smaller groups and split over
different levels.
i.e. Level 1 might have 35 people doing the course on the day and they'll assign 5 or so instructors and split the riders
across the instructors so you'll end up with about 5-7 people per group, roughly but then for the theory classes you all come
back together upstairs and still and listen to the why/how of what you are learning.
cheers
Matty...
hey betty, i can't read your red writing mate, i'm colourblind. yes, i'm an electrician, yes be afraid, very afraid. can you use another colour please?
cheers
paul.
Please enlighten me ,
do they run different levels on the same day ... I assume so only as they seem silent on the issue. I mentioned wanting to do it all at once in the email and they didn't say it was a problem. Not being allowed to book on line may have more to do with them checking your credentials and teeing up the right materials or instructors.
so we all can go together irrespective of level ? ... Perhaps somebody that has already done a course can help.
And can L plate riders come along on the same day? ... I specifically asked this for you. In different places on the website they state 'no L platers' then elsewhere 'no L platers at Phillip Island'. So they replied that at Eastern Creek it is OK so long as you abide by your 'L' restrictions. Again, they were silent on how they group riders for the day.
If this is on that would be cool cause my son could come too.
If so you can take the ? from beside my name on the list
all this sitting on the fence is giving me a sore U*U
You're a pro-active bunch aren't you ... geez I mention we will not be around for the Feb dates and all goes quiet.
So have you:
. booked in feb and didn't want to say anything?
. didn't want to show any initiative?
. lost interest?
. only been riding bikes because you do up your boots with zips and velcro (in other words you'd be lost without someone to tie your shoelaces for you)?
Dates from Superbike School website:
Friday, 12th of February, 2010
Saturday, 13th of February, 2010
Thursday, 22nd of April, 2010
Friday, 23rd of April, 2010
Monday, 07th of June, 2010
Tuesday, 08th of June, 2010
Personally I'd suggest the April dates noting that Monday April 26 is ikely to be a public holiday and that we will be in Tassie in Feb.
So are we gonna make this happen?
Its a YES from me !
I do like the sound of April with a chance of cooler weather though,
but put it up for communal vote as a big group of Monsters together again would be
;D aural pleasure [evil].
So I will probably shout my son's fee as they allow L riders so that will be 2 so far.
Dez
i can make april, should be nice that time of year.
paul.
I'm gonna do one in Feb and then maybe again in April level 3.
Quote from: mattyvas on December 29, 2009, 10:10:28 PM
I'm gonna do one in Feb and then maybe again in April level 3.
Does that mean you're not coming to Tassie in February :'(
Nup not coming for Tourismo this year.
Can't afford the time that early in the year this time round.
April might be good for me to try and get a day off
Hi there...i was on the interested list for training ....but got excited and couldnt wait .....i went in Dec...there were 3 monsters on the day ......im very happy to go again....for anyone who hasnt been ....it was the most informative day on cornering a bike i have ever experienced and a heap of fun
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2685/4227222831_87711b1890_b.jpg)
aarrhh now i know what you look like hmmmm
ok guys and girls
Betty and I are going to do the CSS and we are thinking the Friday, 23rd of April, 2010 anyone wants to join us. We haven't yet booked, but will give them a call tomorrow to do so
Still up for this. As for timing, just happy to go with the majority.
Cheers
Wayne
ditto
ok guys and girl
just about to book on line and i have notice a difference in prices for the different date so here they go;
Saturday, 13th of February, 2010 $499
Thursday, 22nd of April, 2010 $469
Friday, 23rd of April, 2010 $469
Monday, 07th of June, 2010 $499
Tuesday, 08th of June, 2010 $469
iam just about to give them a call and find out how many spots are vacant for 23 April
going to book online now, there are 25 spots per level
Betty and I are booked and paid for Friday 23 April 2010 anyone else ???
yep........ive just booked and paid ....c u all there regards [moto]
Depending on the outcome of my bike issue at the moment :'( I'll book for April.
what is your bike issue Matty
ECU :P
Shagged it seems.
I've heard there is a blinged-up S4R going cheap, comes with the DP ECU ... probably better value than a stand alone ECU.
OK, I admit, you didn't need to hear that. Did you get a warranty when you bought it?
Sorry, I'll shut up now.
it wasn't me who shagged it i promises [evil]
Yeah I've spoken to said owner/seller
Things seem to be pointing to an immobiliser problem.
Have spoken to Brad Black this arvo for a secondary opinion.
Quote from: mattyvas on January 13, 2010, 09:21:58 PM
Yeah I've spoken to said owner/seller
Things seem to be pointing to an immobiliser problem.
Have spoken to Brad Black this arvo for a secondary opinion.
Good luck with it Matty. Hope you sort it out soon.
Kaz.
I just tried to book in to the 23rd. Booked out but I am on the waiting list. I have booked in for a track day on the 26th of April too. I finally get to ride the MV Agusta [moto].
Alrighty time to re-sur-erect this one.
So we went from creating a list of about 18 or so people keen to do the Superbike School 6 months ago ... to having 4 (+1 I believe) actually doing it yesterday. I know some others were on the waiting list and there will no doubt be plenty of other reasons ... so I was a little disappointed, but what can I say you missed a good day.
If you have the fundage I can recommend the superbike school, it follows a well rehearsed curriculum which builds logically throughout the day. Honestly there wasn't really anything new to be learnt (well I had read about it all before) but the way you go about honing the skills with your coach ... on track ... does change your perceptions. Importantly they unclutter your mind (basically impossible for me) and have you focus on one thing at a time. Regardless of how good or fearless you are, you are just not capable of doing this on the road.
On the feedback form I said I gained confidence from the course. This is true but I think what I really learnt is to trust the bike ... this goes hand-in-hand with gaining confidence. I don't know how much of it will transfer to my road riding, but I reckon I ended up doing OK yesterday ... so I will always have that.
Thanks to the guys for enjoying the day with me:
. Jukie (as always) ... scraping hard parts again
. Tricolore ... quite the academic actually (and the only bike I could hear before he passed me)
. Hambo ... for continually finding the time (as he was at a higher level) to come visit us, discuss things and share his obvious and infectious enthusiasm
. Andy55 ... for popping by to check it out. Hope you didn't laugh too hard watching me try to ride.
I would actually consider doing Level 1 again ... but unfortunately it is not something I can afford to do regularly.
As always there are some photos on JPMs website if you want to fish through them for a good laugh:
http://www.jpmphoto.com.au/frame_2.htm (http://www.jpmphoto.com.au/frame_2.htm)
Hambo was in the white group, the other three were in the green group.
Betty,
Could there still be hope for me? Confidence, trusting the bike and all that Jazz?
Sounds like Superbike School could be the place of studies for me! :-\
Kaz.
I think it will help you alot, at least teach you to have more control of the bike. you should give it a try, the coaches are good and the way the do things on the track is well done
Quote from: signora monster on April 24, 2010, 01:11:46 AM
Betty,
Could there still be hope for me? Confidence, trusting the bike and all that Jazz?
Sounds like Superbike School could be the place of studies for me! :-\
Kaz.
Kaz you are being waaay too hard on yourself. Remember I spent quite a bit of time following you recently. You seem to be very smooth through corners (much like Jukie) ... not something that should be hampering your confidence. Where you seem least confident is the parking speed manoeuvres but unfortunately leg extensions were not part of the curriculum.
But as you seem to be struggling with similar issues that Jukie has I would listen to her ... if she thinks it will help, no doubt it will. If you want more confidence cornering (which will no doubt flow on to other things) this is a pretty good course to take.
Quote from: signora monster on April 24, 2010, 01:11:46 AM
Sounds like Superbike School could be the place of studies for me! :-\
Kaz.
I'll go if you go!
Good to hear you all had a great day at CSS.
It is a great day of leasons and practical application, I know it certainly helped me.
I'd love to have come to do level II but for me booking so far ahead at this time of year is difficult.
December-February is a better time.
Quote from: suzyj on April 24, 2010, 12:07:56 PM
I'll go if you go!
Me too !! Have the 9th May booked for a track dat at the Creek.
We'll get through that first then lets look at booking something.
Hi Guys
Have been off bike for 4 weeks after been high sided, my second incident in 4 months after 15+ years riding. To say my confidence is down is an understatement, will get bike back this week after repairs and not sure where my head space will be when get back on.
Have done several stay upright courses over the years that have been great, but not sure if I should go that way again or superbike, have allways been unsure on superbike, but gets great reviews here on the forum.
Any advise would be great as I think some training would help with the confidence issue, and trusting the bike, same as Kaz remarks.
Caz
Hey Caz
I do know how you feel, after my acco, in Italy, all the years of experience went out the window. I have been riding for 22 years now and it seem like i was starting all over again. The best thing i found was to get back on the bike and start riding again. What i first did was ride on the roads i knew the best, and the most comfortable on. Then i rode it every weekend or whenever was possible until i was with one with the bike. Yes it did take a while and the ozmo guys were very patient with me doing so. Once i feel better with all the roads i was on, i then enrolled in the superbike school. It made me have more confident on the bike and what the bike it can do. I now have more faith in Jukie and the roads, but i am still cautious of other riders and driver, but feel much better with everything now. [thumbsup]
take you time with getting back on and don't let it get to you if it doesn't happen straight away. it is very normal to be cautious of everything at the moment
Hi Jukie
Thanks for the wise words, will get straight back on, as long as the sun is out, never did like wet roads. and then try and get a superbike class later in year.
Hoping this will make me a better rider in the bigger picture.
Thanks
Caz
Quote from: Jukie on April 26, 2010, 12:41:19 AM
I have been riding for 22 years now
Wow, so you started riding when you where 4? [thumbsup]
are you are so kind Craigo big kisses for you :-* :-*
I think Craigo left the 2 off before the 4 ????
Now waiting for a most enjoyable slap ;D
aaawwww you asking for it GEORGE ;)
SLAP SLAP SLAP
Quote from: Caz on April 26, 2010, 12:02:03 AMAny advise would be great as I think some training would help with the confidence issue, and trusting the bike, same as Kaz remarks.
Sorry to hear about your off - good to hear that you appear to be okay.
I don't know about motorbikes (The only times I've dropped my motorbikes have been when I wasn't actually riding them), but I used to race pushbikes, and had plenty of prangs. My elbows and knees are covered in scars.
After any prang, you're always really tentative, and it takes a few weeks to get back up to speed and trusting the bike again. Just ride lots, and you'll be back up to speed in no time.
Thanks Suzyj
just need the old body to keep up, can't keep knocking it around like this, it's taking longer to repair then the bike.
Caz
Just take it easy with the body too, one step at a time
Oh, and come on the superbike course with us. Hey, If I'm doing it, it's hardly going to be fast!
Caz,
My advice would be not to push it too hard ... in other words don't put too much pressure on yourself, that may just lead to more apprehension.
I was a pretty close observer of Jukie's recovery (and re-instatement of her mojo) and she was pretty tentative for a while (I was actually keeping up) ... but then one day it all clicked and she was back to normal. So give it time and take it easy.
As for the Superbike School I'd suggest giving it a go. They basically break riding down into five concepts/tasks/skills. The way it is explained is pretty straight forward and logical ... certainly a lot easier to follow than Keith Code's books (it's his school). At the least these simply ideals will help you to diagnose what may have gone wrong in the past and give you the opportunity to address any issues.
Like I said before I think it has given me more trust in the bike and confidence as a consequence ... but I know I willl have to keep working on things without my mind getting screwed up as usual.
Good luck and give your body the time it requires to mend too.
I had a spin on the Vespa today, it has a 2 wheels that's a start, and nice an slow.
Quote from: suzyj on April 26, 2010, 01:49:32 AM
Oh, and come on the superbike course with us. Hey, If I'm doing it, it's hardly going to be fast!
Sounds like a plan, it would be good to hav some fellow Monster riders there.
Caz
Quote from: Betty on April 24, 2010, 04:04:56 AM
Kaz you are being waaay too hard on yourself.
Betty, thanks for the words of support. It makes me feel heaps better.
Much appreciated. [thumbsup]
I agree Betty, Great day, learnt alot!
I am not sure how much you can take on the road though. Very little consideration is given to road riding in the course. But it certainly gives confidence in the bike you would never get riding on the road.
I took my new knowledge on the track yesterday (and the MV) and it was amazing how different it was riding when you have a little idea what the bike is doing under you.
P.S Watched Vince do a couple of laps yesterday, he blows my mind, man i admire his work! (and his bikes)
Edit > By the way, I ain't selling the MV Agusta now [moto]
Quote from: tricolore on April 27, 2010, 12:55:57 AM
I am not sure how much you can take on the road though.
I can say for me the throttle control learnt in the first half of level I transferred directly to the road, along with the vision
you learn in the next level.
Learning when it is best for you to back off to site the corner without having to use a handful of brakes.
For me this is very useful and I practice it every ride.
Quote from: suzyj on May 13, 2010, 01:25:06 AM
Thanks for the reminder. I just had a look and bookings for the September 13 (monday) superbike school are now open.
I've just booked myself in, and I don't wanna do it by myself!
Woohoo!!! I'm all excited now!
[moto]
We are now a +2 for this day.
Obviously we had such a shit time of it last go that we thought we had better try again ;D
So you lot ... there has been a lot of talk ... either training or track days ... time to pull your finger out hey!
Despite the expense these things seem to book out pretty early with a few members lucky enough to use it as an excuse last time. There are still spaces available ... so get on it ... and we'll see you there.
I am close to joining the shenannigans on the 13th
just emailed them for availability and attempting to shift some dates around that month
to fit this in , I am booked on an early flight to Indonesia the morning after which may be a stretch
so If I can change flights
+1.
Yay shenanigans :)
[moto]
I never knew poverty could feel so good.
Booked :)
But placed on the waiting list...'think I've been there done that >:(
But this time should be higher up on the waiting list [roll]
Anyone else? Better jump in quick!
To slow [bang] on the booking Suzy so I am also on the wait list for the 13th
Got the call up today so now booked for the 13th. Bike has been serviced by George @ D Moto - see you there [thumbsup]
Front tyre is is new but rear is half gone. The CSS website says I need 2mm - that seems a lot to me.
If they knock me back, can I get a new tyre & fitted at the track or should I just bite the bullet and get a new one beforehand?
I might trailer the bike to the track & I've seen the list of things to do for a track day on another thread but as this is a training day any tips?
Cheers
Wayne
Quote from: wayne800 on August 18, 2010, 11:11:04 PM
Got the call up today so now booked for the 13th. Bike has been serviced by George @ D Moto - see you there [thumbsup]
Front tyre is is new but rear is half gone. The CSS website says I need 2mm - that seems a lot to me.
If they knock me back, can I get a new tyre & fitted at the track or should I just bite the bullet and get a new one beforehand?
I might trailer the bike to the track & I've seen the list of things to do for a track day on another thread but as this is a training day any tips?
Cheers
Wayne
iirc min legal is 1.5mm and thats about what the wear indicators are
Quote from: wayne800 on August 18, 2010, 11:11:04 PM
Got the call up today so now booked for the 13th. Bike has been serviced by George @ D Moto - see you there [thumbsup]
Front tyre is is new but rear is half gone. The CSS website says I need 2mm - that seems a lot to me.
If they knock me back, can I get a new tyre & fitted at the track or should I just bite the bullet and get a new one beforehand?
I might trailer the bike to the track & I've seen the list of things to do for a track day on another thread but as this is a training day any tips?
Cheers
Wayne
Don't trailer it, its not that hectic of a day, I rode to it when I went and it was sweet. The only prep it masking tape over your speedo and mirrors. They do that for you.
Get a new Tyre, if your at all questioning it that probably means deep down your thinking you should. The better condition the tyre the more confidence you will have. 1.5 - 2mm on a tyre doesn't last long if your riding in a "spirited" fashion.
Have fun.
Quote from: wayne800 on August 18, 2010, 11:11:04 PM
Got the call up today so now booked for the 13th.
Alright! [thumbsup]
Quote from: wayne800 on August 18, 2010, 11:11:04 PM
Front tyre is is new but rear is half gone. The CSS website says I need 2mm - that seems a lot to me.
If they knock me back, can I get a new tyre & fitted at the track or should I just bite the bullet and get a new one beforehand?
The tyre guys were there last time, so I assume that is not a big deal. You will probably be using different parts of your tyre too ;D.
Although Tri said it is not that hectic you don't really have much 'free' time bouncing between class and track sessions ... but you wouldn't be installing it yourself.
Quote from: wayne800 on August 18, 2010, 11:11:04 PM
I might trailer the bike to the track
Again, although Tri said it was not a big deal to ride I say do what you feel comfortable with. At the end of the day I felt fine ... but Julie was pretty knackered before the last on track session. So I s'pose it depends on how much you put into the day.
Oh yeah and if you use a trailer it will be easier for you to take your cup home.
Quote from: wayne800 on August 18, 2010, 11:11:04 PM
I've seen the list of things to do for a track day on another thread but as this is a training day any tips?
Basically they will do all the things that need to be done, just make sure the bike is road/trackworthy, you have fuel, full leathers and all the other things they mention on the website.
I found that the scutineering was a bit more thorough for the school than it was for the track day.
Weather might be a little dodgy on Monday:
QuoteForecast for Monday
Isolated showers during the morning. Sunny afternoon. Winds west to northwesterly averaging up to 45 km/h.
City Centre: Shower or two. Windy. Min 14 Max 20
Penrith: Shower or two clearing. Min 11 Max 19
Fingers crossed the shower or two aren't over Eastern creek.
What a hoot!
We had five track sessions, each of which concentrated on a particular skill, with classroom training before and after each one. On the track we shared an instructor with two others, who watched us ride and used pre-arranged handsignals to teach the skill we were working on.
The first session was on throttle control - we stayed in fourth the whole way round, and didn't use the brakes. The objective was to set your entry speed well before the turn, turn in, then gradually roll on the throttle the whole way through the turn, using the throttle to stabilise the bike. I was amazed at how quickly (miles before the apex and just after I've set the lean) I could start rolling on the throttle, and how well it made the bike pull in and settle.
Second session was finding a good turn in point. They put big tape X marks on the track, and the objective was to hit the marks going into the corner. Trouble is they were way, way into the corner, and right on the outside of the track. So gradually I got the hang of delaying the turn in until I made it to the mark, and then being a bit more forceful to get in to my apex. And it worked! Rather than running really wide on the exit, it made turns much smoother and faster.
Third session was focusing on countersteering to rapidly set the lean angle whan initiating a turn, so you could comfortably delay turn in, for a faster exit.
Fourth session we concentrated on relaxing, and letting the bike find its own line after the initial steering action to set the path to apex. By this point it was all starting to come together. I found this session a lot easier than the one before, and less tiring. Despite putting in less effort, I reckon my speed increased heaps.
Final session the goal was to sight our entry point, then sight the apex before we rolled over the entry point. We'd been fixating on the entry point a bit to this point, so once we got there, finding the apex was rushed, and our lines were all over the place. Getting the knack of sighting the entry point, then looking to the apex to set our line (bikes go where you look) without turning in early was awesome - the corner just opens up and looks so much easier.
Anyway, I'm a huge fan. If you haven't done one of these courses, you should sign up now. They're totally no bullshit, straightforward, awesome courses.
Every time I hopped on the bike and did a session, it was better, faster, and easier than the one previous. My rear tyre is shredded almost to the edge now. Nothing beats the feeling you get when you lay the bike over for turn 1, with the tacho sitting on 7250 rpm in sixth, and just fly into the corner.
Yeah. Awesome!
Thanks for the write up Suzy. Sounds like a lot of fun.
Quote from: heatherp on September 13, 2010, 06:08:38 PM
Thanks for the write up Suzy. Sounds like a lot of fun.
... and sounds like she just saved you $500 [laugh]
Glad you enjoyed yourself Suzy, definitely worthwhile.
I don't think I've saved anything Betty. This just makes me want to do the course even more. Just a matter of finances, timing and clothing.
I even hired leathers - $85, I think. [evil]
Quote from: suzyj on September 13, 2010, 10:15:57 PM
I even hired leathers - $85, I think. [evil]
I did read that you can hire leathers. My concerns would be - would they have any my size and whether I wanted to wear leathers that someone else had worn. :o
Don't you have leathers Suzy? Thought you had a two piece? I have jacket and pants but different brands and don't zip together.
Quote from: heatherp on September 13, 2010, 10:45:07 PM
I did read that you can hire leathers. My concerns would be - would they have any my size and whether I wanted to wear leathers that someone else had worn. :o
Don't you have leathers Suzy? Thought you had a two piece? I have jacket and pants but different brands and don't zip together.
I wore bike (as in the pedal variety) pants and a t-shirt underneath. The leathers they had at EC were really new, and they had a good range of sizes. The guy running the hire bit said that arriving early (I was there when they opened the gates) helps.
I have jacket and pants like you, but they don't talk to one another, as my jacket is Teknic and my pants Dainese. I was thinking of getting a Dainese jacket to match my pants, but the one-piece leathers were so comfy (at least on the bike - off they're dreadful), now I want a set.
OK now you've got me thinking. Thanks Suzy.
Dropped in to check it out. Looked like a cracker of a day. We must organise another track day real soon now.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4127/4989446174_3d4cba73cb.jpg) (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4088/4988844073_ab6a803e59.jpg)
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4131/4989447804_760b68cdce.jpg) (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4084/4988840635_1510abc725.jpg)
Bigger pics on my flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/craigeaux/) if you want 'em. I also have about another 300 or so that didn't quite turn out.
Monsters look tough with numbers and clipons :)
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4109/4989450972_3f35e34d7d.jpg)
n.b. matty is right as usual with photog stuff. low iso, longer exposure makes for better pics as long as you can pan.
Panning takes practice (and lots of dud shots lol). You've done pretty well with these Craigo.
Quote from: heatherp on September 13, 2010, 11:39:37 PM
You've done pretty well with these Craigo.
Done well ???
He has made it look like I can ride ... now that takes some skill [laugh]
Do you charge as much as JPM Craigo?
Quote from: craigo on September 13, 2010, 11:23:00 PM
Monsters look tough with numbers and clipons :)
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4109/4989450972_3f35e34d7d.jpg)
I love my motorbike.
Thanks heaps for the photos Craigo, they're wonderful!
Glad you all had a great day.
Now you know the track is not such a scary place!
Thanks Craigo, sometimes I know what I'm talkin' about. Not often but every now and then.
Nice pics too.
Didn't know you were lurking around Craig, good stuff there [thumbsup]
Quote from: craigo on September 13, 2010, 11:23:00 PM
Dropped in to check it out. Looked like a cracker of a day. We must organise another track day real soon now.
I am on the waiting list for the 9th of Oct and paid up for the 6th Nov if that interests you!