Okay here is the scenario :
Traveling home from work last night 10.30 p.m. ,its a quiet Wednesday night with good conditions
Unbenkonwsed to me I am being followed by a Hwy patrol car through three suburbs
they are hanging back so i didn't know they were there we go through some road works (didn't lane split around the queue then through a 50k zone then on to a three lane section of virtually empty well lit road
All the time I am on or very close to the speed limit.
(by the way 7 days a week 80% of drivers are doing 80 k at peak hour here)
I am on the home stretch and decide to pass a slow car give it a squirt as the road goes down hill.
Bang blue flashing light [leo]
Get pulled over 4 points $338 [bang] and they recon they are doing me a favour as apparently I was going faster but on paper only 20k over.
The officer said on looking at my record I can apply by letter to not loose points.
I have not had as much as a parking ticket in 24 years and never booked on a bike going back to the 1979
I am a 50 year old father of three no angel but I am not a boy racer hoon
Should I attempt to get this ex sponged and if so HOW
It kind of felt like entrapment , follow any motorcycle and sooner or later they are going to be over the speed limit due to
1 the quick response and power delivery
2 unlike a car where your eyes only have to drop a couple of degrees to the speedo on a naked upright bike it is closer to 40 degrees and isn't it safer to be concentrating on the road than constantly checking your instruments.
So what do you reckon bend over and take it like a man or contest it?
I am devostated not so much by the fine but the thought of loosing points
as I will need them all one day [evil]
dez the road criminal
Yep its a sign of the times, particularly in the Camera state (VIC), is people that havent had a speeding ticket for 10,20,30 years are now a terrible criminal and amassing points hand over fist. (I think from memory around 70-75% of infingements issued are for UNDER 10 k over the limit. [roll] Heinous crime that!? >:( ). Lotsa money to be made from these miscreants. [leo]
Have a chat to that fella (Solicitor) that advertises in AMCN as "The Bikers Friend" and see what he has to say, and whether he reckons its worth writing the letter. :-\
Sorry to here of your "entrapment" If it was me I'd be on the phone to my lawyer and ask the question. My gut feeling tells me to contest it. [bang]
What's this thing about writing a letter not to loose points? Never heard of that here in South OZ.
Good luck which ever way you go. [moto]
I cannot believe you have the audacity to come on here and say that you are being hard done by ... shame on you [cheeky]
I agree with your entrapment view. If it was daylight (and visibly a cop car) I am relatively certain they would have given up long before knowing that you were not going to slip up in plain view ... it has happened to me in the past, it doesn't take long before they recklessly speed past you in the hope of finding another unsuspecting victim.
I don't have any experience with these things but at 20km/h over are they likely to offer any leniency or say with your driving record you should know better?
My interpretation of what you are saying is that when you came upon another vehicle travelling below the speed limit you slowed accordingly. The trailing vehicle (who had been following for some time at a safe distance) started tailgating in an intimidating fashion. As it was late at night and you were vulnerably exposed on a motorbike and concerned for your safety you assessed your options and decided the best course of action was to create space. Besides you are experienced enough to know how these things can turn out ... and you, the inncoent party, would more than likely bear the brunt of the carelessness of others. It was the safest thing to do.
How's that? Pretty close?
[clap] [clap] case adjourned
I just got done in the car for 112kph (alleged 108kph) in a 100kph zone. (Camera) :-[
I have written a letter begging for mercy... Fingers crossed :-\
Dez... I'm not sure what you can do. Here in Victoria there are guidelines in place where you can apply for an official caution. Copy of my letter attached. But you have to admit the offence and fit within their guidlines. If you deny the offence you can fight it, but I don't like your chances, especially if you admitted it on the night. Most guys tape conversations these days :o
Ita
Officer in Charge
Traffic Camera Office
GPO Box 1916
Melbourne 3001
17/11/2009
Dear Sir.
My full name is XXXX, DOB XXXX, I’m the holder of full Victorian Driver’s Licence XXXX expiring 14/06/2015 and I live at Unit XXXXX, Hawthorn, 3122.
I was the driver of a white XXXX registered number XXXX on the 9th of October, 2009, when it was detected traveling at 112kph (alleged 108kph) in a 100kph zone at 1.51pm along the Princes Highway, Pomborniet.
The circumstances of this infringement are a mystery to me as I consider myself to be a safe and courteous driver. I may have exceed the posted speed limit momentarily whist overtaking a slower vehicle, but have no actual recollection of this particular time.
I have received only one speeding conviction in the last 30 years and that was on a motorcycle 4 ½ years ago. Having read the guidelines for an official warning I feel the circumstances surrounding this offence fall within those guidelines so as such I respectfully ask to be considered for an official warning in this case.
Kind regards
Fight it.
I'm just absolutely stunned that we have folks on here with only 1 or 2 speeding offences in 20+ years. ???
I know I speed, but wow! I don't bother fighting these things, cause if you print out my record..<insert waiting music>....could be a while!
Definitely contest it. What have you got to lose? My husband and I have both written a letter for similar circumstances and we were both pardoned. Good luck. ;)
Quote from: signora monster on November 25, 2009, 01:33:48 PM
Definitely contest it. What have you got to lose? My husband and I have both written a letter for similar circumstances and we were both pardoned. Good luck. ;)
Down here you have to admit the offence, and then ask for a warning, due to your good driving record and or the circumstances. If you want to "Fight it/Contest it" get a mouth piece and go to court. But only do that if you did not commit the offence and you can prove it, otherwise you will be going down a very expensive path :(
Ita
I make the bastards earn the $$.
1. Take the 28 days right up to the payment date.
2. Ask for an extension of payment date (uusually another 28 days).
3. Then at the end of that, elect to take it to court.
4. Wait for the notification that the Traffic Infingement Notice (T.I.N.) is withdrawn.
5. Wait for court date notification.
6. Court date morning, ring up Court and inform them that you wont be attending due to cant get time off work, cost more to lose pay than the fine. etc, and apologise to Magistrate. (Keep Sweet with the Beak! ;) ).
By this time the cop/camera operator is at court and blown their day. A court booking is used up. And you have used their own system to give
them the shits. [thumbsup]
You pay a bit extra on the fine for costs, but in 2 cases I had "No conviction recorded" by the Magistrate. (Told you it pays to keep sweet. [thumbsup]. )
All up this precess takes on average 10 to 12 months. [evil] [clap] Block the shit out of the courts I reckon. Getting screwed goes both ways [evil]
Oh and by the way, in Vicbloodytoria you are regarded as a "Criminal" and attend "Criminal Court" for traffic offences. >:(
UPDATE
I have just spoken to a couple of people
One being a nice bloke called Peter from the office of state debt recovery
Two my mate a good cop from #%&@ up north
Both had the same advice CONTEST IT [thumbsup]
Apparently drivers with a no fine/conviction for 10 years are deemed good guys and will be reviewed so
with a good story oops I mean an accurate interpretation of the truth with right hand on the bible/heart
and very likely be ex sponged .
Also some info from copper mate , when Hwy patrol guy puts on his siren/lights video starts recording with a 30 second pre date of turn on look out for that one.
Also he told me not to take it to court as the Police officer will be called in evidence(they like that [laugh] like a day off [thumbsup] who would blame them a rest from the mean streets)
They will show the footage of me/you going faster than the write up = big trouble.
Oh year and the official un official urban myth of end of month quota ...
High meet this month victim . :o :-X
Dragon in some respects I agree but the things that worry me are:
. it gives disgruntled coppers more reason to 'make you pay' now, later or via someone else
. adds to administrative costs which they are then pressured into gathering via their 'fundraising activities' but with greater impetus
. ties up the 'criminal system' when resources could be used on 'real' criminals
Careful not to feed the machine of self-perpetuation.
Take yer points Betty ole' Chum, but in this wunnerful State of Exorbitance. There are a whopping more fines issued by the Non Government run Camera System than by the Cops. :o
The Plods are generally ok to deal with, but the current system, the "Big Camera System Sausage Machine" just keeps on churning them out. And its just my small way of dicking them around! If everybody started doing it then the Guvmint would start to take notice, be interesting to see if the Libs get in next erection, what their attitude will be?? ???
They RECKON they will be fairer and look at the current system BUT.............."How can you tell when a pollie is telling lies.?? His lips are moving!" [roll]
This happened in NSW........
I was stopped for 20+ over in a double demerit period.
He wrote a penalty for 10 to 15 over after he did a check on my licence.
I wrote a letter to the Police commissioner asking for a warning because I was a model citizen [laugh]
Took about 6 months, got a warning, no fine, no points but it is on my licence as a warning for 15 over.
If you go to court you have a 50/50 chance of getting a 'section 10', offence recorded but no penalty (no fine, can't remember if you still get the points).
If you hire a solicitor/lawyer it might cost more than the fine.
Worst outcome is you lose. You pay court costs, was $68, on top of fine.
If you go to court the magistrate could be Pat O'Shane [laugh] you'll get awarded damages for pain & suffering [laugh]
Yes, its a sad case of the coppers targeting "hoon motorcyclists" !
I've been in the same boat before & it drives you nuts, especially when you know you are doing the right thing & being responsible. My last bike was a Harley & I've lost count the number of times I've been pulled over for a "license & rego check" in the state of the outlaw motorcycle gang! Once the helmet comes off & they see that you are not big, hairy & covered in tats they generally realize that youre just out for a ride & enjoy bikes.......it still pisses me off though.
In your case I would fight fight & fight some more & still refuse to pay it on principle!
Good luck!
To add to Ita's response, this is the letter I wrote for my Wife (it will never work for me ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D)
It will work every time. There is actually a guideline published regarding requesting leniency for traffic offenses and what you can get off for.
Office of State Revenue
RE Infringement Notice:
To Whom it may Concern,
I am writing to contest a speeding ticket issued to me on blah blah blah. I have been advised to write to you to contest this ticket. For ten years my driving record has been perfect and this was just a momentary lapse of judgement. I would appreciate this if I were given another chance. I promise you, if I am ever caught speeding again, I will take my punishment. However, it is my intention to always drive within the speed limits posted.
Thanking you for your consideration.
Names and Address
Quote from: 748s on November 25, 2009, 03:45:19 PM
This happened in NSW........
I was stopped for 20+ over in a double demerit period.
He wrote a penalty for 10 to 15 over after he did a check on my licence.
I wrote a letter to the Police commissioner asking for a warning because I was a model citizen [laugh]
Took about 6 months, got a warning, no fine, no points but it is on my licence as a warning for 15 over.
If you go to court you have a 50/50 chance of getting a 'section 10', offence recorded but no penalty (no fine, can't remember if you still get the points).
If you hire a solicitor/lawyer it might cost more than the fine.
Worst outcome is you lose. You pay court costs, was $68, on top of fine.
If you go to court the magistrate could be Pat O'Shane [laugh] you'll get awarded damages for pain & suffering [laugh]
Section 10 still takes your points. RTA controls the point side of it, court doesn't have a say.....After court, you have to write a letter to the RTA informing then of the outcome, they will then decide if you can keep your points.
And careful with O'Shane, she has a reputation, but lately she's been smashing some individuals. Including, two weeks ago, a speeding motorist.
I always think, if you know you did it - pay up -Nothing worse than someone who can't admit when they're wrong. If you honestly believe that you're being hard done by though, then fight it. Fare's fare. ;D
Quote from: Betty on November 25, 2009, 12:05:54 PM
My interpretation of what you are saying is that when you came upon another vehicle travelling below the speed limit you slowed accordingly. The trailing vehicle (who had been following for some time at a safe distance) started tailgating in an intimidating fashion. As it was late at night and you were vulnerably exposed on a motorbike and concerned for your safety you assessed your options and decided the best course of action was to create space. Besides you are experienced enough to know how these things can turn out ... and you, the Innocent party, would more than likely bear the brunt of the carelessness of others. It was the safest thing to do.
How's that? Pretty close?
Good stuff Betty your the master of bullshit [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
I will save that plus a few others from here for future reference.
Hopefully i won't need it [roll] [bang]
Do you write this stuff on a professional basis if needed [thumbsup]
yes Mark is very good at professional writing, he can go on and on for about 100 pages of nothingless stuff
Quote from: Jukie on November 25, 2009, 09:29:04 PM
yes Mark is very good at professional writing, he can go on and on for about 100 pages of nothingless stuff
Must've been to Uni and had to do those Bullshit Theses on nothing in particular. [roll] ;D [laugh]
that would be it Dragon got it in one, but he was good before then too
Dez, if you're in NSW I'm sure you will get off this one based on your clean record of 10 years.
All Gov't departments have guidelines for their staff for giving clemency (I know 'cause I work for one). I've seen the list for traffic matters but didn't save it because none applied to me [bang]. I do remember that in NSW the best excuse to avoid a traffic fine/points is a clean driving record (no infringements in 10 years).
You just need to write in, give a plausible explanation why you were speeding on that one occasion and ask for forgiveness based on your good record. I have a mate who did and it worked no problems [thumbsup]
I wrote in and got off.
I said i was happy to pay the fine but dnot to lose the points (they cant actually split they need to do both). They let me off.
Not a good story Dez.
It's a hard one to contemplate.
Recently I got a speed camera fine for 3 points and just $100 or so bucks.
I wasn't too worried about the coin cause it was pretty minor but more concerned about points and insurance.
I too hadn't had a speeding ticket in about 16-18yrs. It was a very small infringement 62k's in a 50 zone.
In the end I figured we have all bend our fair share of speed limits in the fun bits up the old road or RNP and Mac Pass
that I'd just cop the small-ish fine and points and call it even.
In your case though the fact that you were tailed until they felt it necessary to pull you over.
To me sometimes when you are given a lesser fine and speeding range it smacks of them not really knowing exactly
what speed you were doing.
Remember poor Stu who got done up North while on his L's that was certainly not a real reading.
Quote from: White Lion on November 25, 2009, 09:04:50 PM
...>And careful with O'Shane,....<
She's going the other way now, nice change.
Gotta love Government Ministers and bureaucrats and their errr, umm, FLEXIBILITY in adapting to political ebbs and flows. [roll]
There wouldnt be an election coming up in NSW soon by any chance hmmm?? (Yep, yer right, this question IS oozing cynicism!! [puke] )
Master of bullshit, ha!
Professional ... what!?
Reeks of character assassination ... hang on that would mean I have character ... hmmm, well at least I can confirm that I did not do a thesis (took an extra subject in lieu)
Master of bullshit, geez ... where do you guys come up with this stuff (http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_1_6.gif)
Quote from: 748s on November 25, 2009, 10:40:46 PM
She's going the other way now, nice change.
Maybe it was the drink driving charge she faced..... [cheeky]
in my experience dealing with the fuzz, and there has been a fair bit of it, especially with the back block hillbillies up this way, it ALL depends on the conversation between you and the officer before he wrote you up. you can write all the grovelling letters you like, but if you made an admission in that conversation when you were pulled up? you're screwed. Worth remembering, everything the officer says to you is carefully scripted to elicit an admission, everything. think very carefully before you answer anything, and don't lose your head, too late now but next time, deny, deny, deny! if he says "do you have any reason for speeding?" answering no is an admission, you need to immediately clarify your position with something along the lines of "i wasn't speeding, sir" to which he will fall into his standard speil with various questions, again, all designed to get you to admit to the offence. Quite often, they don't have enough "evidence" to successfully prosecute you if you do take it to court and RELY on your admission to seal your fate. they may get a speed reading but it needs to read the same speed twice and lock it on an in test date piece of equipment, they also have to be able to produce the certificate of test if asked, otherwise that is just an indicator and your admission is the clincher.
paul.
IMHO you have got to give it a try
If you don't then your record is no longer clear and you won't be able to use the excuse of a clean record for leniency.
You have nothing to loose. If you don't get let off you can always choose to go to court then.
so I got caught in my car some time ago, by the highway patrol in a back street speed trap, not far from where I work...
_never_ had any infringements in all my driving years (20+ years), didn't admit fault at the scene, elected to fight it in court.
it was a 30+ offense (50 zone in an industrial area), and whilst my good record got it reduced to 2 months suspension, still had the fine, plus the lawyers costs, plus 2 months off... I got the "yes, you do have an excellent driving record - you should know better", as opposed to the red p plater caught on a bike on christmas day 45+ over, with a string of minor offenses on the license.
He also got a similar reduction in time, so who knows.
I'd guess that a 30+ or worse offense is treated differently to a more minor offense...
All I know is that it's a _lot_ harder to get reasonably priced insurance once you've lost your license (for a period of time anyways). Keep that in mind when you get tempted to roll it on!
Quote from: goldFiSh on November 26, 2009, 01:55:20 AM
it was a 30+ offense (50 zone in an industrial area),
Fark GF...
Down here I would be guessing you would lose your car under the Hoon Laws... (not sure for how long) 3 month suspension and a $500+ fine... :o
Ita
82 alleged in a 50 zone - did not know it was a 50 (of course!) and picking up my pregnant wife from a dodgy train station at 10pm at night. Yeah stupid... i know it's a 50 zone now!
and I got all but the car confiscation...
What a basted. The last time I was 30+ the copper wrote it up for 29. I think he liked by bike. I saw that he did write on the back of the ticket stub in his book what the real speed was......I'm sure that was just in case I took it on.
I said that you very much (stupidly) and drove off. 30+ now days is lock up your bike and walk.
It wasn't until a couple of months later once I paid the ticket that I got the letter advising I'd lost my license.
3 months off wasn't too bad as when you get it back you have 12 points again [moto] [moto]
Insurance is a bit of a bummer but I'm past 2 years now so all good.
I think that its now and always will be a fact of life that ANY Government anywhere will use the "Speed Kills" stick justification to fleece us from our hard earned. [roll]
The campaigns are in reality more like 20% enforcement and 80% money raising nowadays?! :(
If the authorities were really serious about the damage we cause to each other on the roads, maybe they would go back to the start and make sure that the driver first up has the required training and vehicle operator skills before they fly solo. And then concentrate on where most traffic conflicts occur other than straight stretches of open 3 lane highway. [roll]
But, because they want to keep their snouts in the trough for as long as possible they wont piss off the voters with a more restrictive and expensive licencing system, because after all in this country its a GOD given right to have a licence isnt it?? :o (Bugger having to prove you know how to drive though!)
And of course skill, situational awareness and attentiveness have absolutely nothing to do with it! :(
Just got my letter...
Traffic Infringement Notice withdrawn..... Official Warning issued... [thumbsup]
Ita
Ya big schmooozer!! [thumbsup]
Beers on Ita [drink] [drink] [drink]
Quote from: Dannog on November 26, 2009, 07:24:21 PM
Beers on Ita [drink] [drink] [drink]
Guess they loved my letter... [thumbsup] (reproduced above)
I admitted my guilt and threw myself on the sword begging for leniency due to my brilliant driving/riding record!!!
Ye Ha... [beer]
Ita
Quote from: Ita on November 26, 2009, 05:48:49 PM
Just got my letter...
Traffic Infringement Notice withdrawn..... Official Warning issued... [thumbsup]
Ita
would love to the see the letter...
Dear Senior Detective Ita,
after much deliberation the offence has been withdrawn and a warning is issued in it's place...
see you down the pub Friday night mate????
Constable Larry Dollarmaker
mate, I'm only kidding ya, I'm just jealous!!!! [thumbsup]
Quote from: Spider on November 27, 2009, 01:29:07 AM
would love to the see the letter...
Dear Senior Detective Ita,
after much deliberation the offence has been withdrawn and a warning is issued in it's place...
see you down the pub Friday night mate????
Constable Larry Dollarmaker
mate, I'm only kidding ya, I'm just jealous!!!! [thumbsup]
Get it right....
Detective Leading Senior Constable Ita... :-[
LOL... They would have no idea who I am RJ... But I'm smart enough to read their guidelines (available on the net) and word my letter to fit the guidelines [thumbsup] Fight 'em if you must, but do so at your own peril.. :-\
Ita
Hi All.
Well it finally happened, Big Brother chistened the Monster.
Via one of the Vic department of revinue raising cameras.
Ita, do you have a link to those guidelines?
I've heard the 3 year thing before, and have a nice letter from Vicroads giving me a discount on my license renewal because of rising safely...allegedly.
But hows this for ironic.....Fine was in the same mail delivery as my CAMS license renewal.
Ha Ha Ha.
Cheers
Madalf.
Hi ITA.
Think I found it.
http://online.fines.vic.gov.au/fines/Content.aspx?page=123&s=2&l=10-13-123 (http://online.fines.vic.gov.au/fines/Content.aspx?page=123&s=2&l=10-13-123)
Yes the Camera/BigBrother state is racking in so much cash they have their own fine website!
Cheers.
Madalf.
Quote from: madalf71 on December 23, 2009, 05:57:36 PM
Hi ITA.
Think I found it.
http://online.fines.vic.gov.au/fines/Content.aspx?page=123&s=2&l=10-13-123 (http://online.fines.vic.gov.au/fines/Content.aspx?page=123&s=2&l=10-13-123)
Yes the Camera/BigBrother state is racking in so much cash they have their own fine website!
Cheers.
Madalf.
Yup that's it MA. Have a look at my letter. It worked for me!!!
Good luck mate...
Ita
Howdy All.
I'd like to report success, thanks ITA for your input.
Revinue State 0 vs Madalf71 1
Cherrio.
Quote from: madalf71 on February 22, 2010, 07:18:33 PM
Howdy All.
I'd like to report success, thanks ITA for your input.
Revinue State 0 vs Madalf71 1
Cherrio.
No dramas mate...
If you fit the guidelines you are home and clear!! [beer]
Ita
It's great to hear so many having success at clearing their names. [thumbsup]
This whole speed cameras thing wouldn't piss me off so much if the [leo] were still out on the beat picking up idiots who drive in their own little world, wander aimlessly between lanes, fail to indicate, push in where they don't fit, talk on phones, use on-ramps and emergency lanes as overtaking lanes, etc, etc, but it seems that speed is seen as the only offence worth pursuing. It really gives me the sh1ts.
Have you ever tried to drive down the freeway at the speed limit with the cruise control on when the moron in front is speeding up to 20 over the limit between overpasses and slowing to 20 under when going under them because there might be a speed camera? AAARRRGGGHHH !!! [bang]
(Venting completed)
This seemed like an appropriate place for this link:
http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/speed-doesnt-kill-says-benz-20100304-pjin.html (http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/speed-doesnt-kill-says-benz-20100304-pjin.html)
OK so it goes on to discuss many things which are not commonplace (and may never be) on bikes but it seems a very realistic view on things ... for a change.
Quote from: ducmeister on February 25, 2010, 04:40:53 AM
It's great to hear so many having success at clearing their names. [thumbsup]
This whole speed cameras thing wouldn't piss me off so much if the [leo] were still out on the beat picking up idiots who drive in their own little world, wander aimlessly between lanes, fail to indicate, push in where they don't fit, talk on phones, use on-ramps and emergency lanes as overtaking lanes, etc, etc, but it seems that speed is seen as the only offence worth pursuing. It really gives me the sh1ts.
Have you ever tried to drive down the freeway at the speed limit with the cruise control on when the moron in front is speeding up to 20 over the limit between overpasses and slowing to 20 under when going under them because there might be a speed camera? AAARRRGGGHHH !!! [bang]
(Venting completed)
Oh. And how hard is it to [bang] K E E P L E F T U N L E S S O V E R T A K I N G ! ! ! ! [bang]
Now the venting is completed. [thumbsup]
Just sent my request for leniency to NSW's finest...well the Office of State Revenue. Cross fingers boys n girls.
In the mean time I'm heading off to Tassie tomorrow [moto]
Back on the 22nd...could be my last ride for a while :(
all fingers and toes crossed for you Andy [thumbsup], but have a great trip down Tassie and watch out for those Vic cops they are sneeky
Yes good luck Andy with the powers that be, if you have ten clean years you should be [thumbsup]
dez
All the best Andy.
Quote from: ducmeister on February 25, 2010, 04:40:53 AM....This whole speed cameras thing wouldn't piss me off so much if the [leo] were still out on the beat picking up idiots who drive in their own little world, wander aimlessly between lanes, fail to indicate, push in where they don't fit, talk on phones, use on-ramps and emergency lanes as overtaking lanes, etc, etc, but it seems that speed is seen as the only offence worth pursuing. It really gives me the sh1ts.
A massive +1 on all of the above.
Quote from: Jukie on March 10, 2010, 10:26:22 AM
all fingers and toes crossed for you Andy [thumbsup], but have a great trip down Tassie and watch out for those Vic cops they are sneeky
HEY!!! :-[
Ita
Quote from: Ita on March 11, 2010, 12:53:45 AM
HEY!!! :-[
Ita
I would have thought this applies to you in particular ... but she had good reason for her comment.
Enjoy your trip new-Andy and worry about it later ... just be careful.
Well the trip to Tas was a blast (pics in due course)!!
However it seems the SRDO/OSR don't like showing leniency to hardened criminals :P such as myself...and they were as useful as a bar mounted ash tray when it comes to explaining the implications. I think I got the standard "bugger off" form letter truth be told.
I guess its pay the bucks, take the points and look out for something from the RTA in the mail box. If/when that arrives I'll try [bow_down] yet again and see where that gets me.
Anyway...did I mention Tassie was a blast ?!?!?!?
Cheers
A
I'm sorry andy this didn't work for you I never had to call them so wasn't sure what would happen. But really glad you had a great time in tassie