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Went today (again) up to the Warriors and past to the sound-off section .... nice  [thumbsup] Sunny, perfectly dry; confidence building conditions
The only annoying thing was that i spend half my time shifting up and down before and after every turn..........3rd was too low, 4th was too high

I have 14/43 combo on my S2R800 for 5 years now. Its ok in the city but on a windy roads can be a pain Today i also noticed that i'm missing a tooth in a rear sprocket so its time to replace it ... and the front one ... and the chain


So i'm asking you if you were to replace your current front/rear sprocket combination would you remain with the same ratio you have (what is it?) or change it - to what?
I'm tempted to do either 14/41 or return to std 15/41


ps
i found AFAM front sprocket @ slipstreamperformance.com.au but they don't have a rear one despite having several pages of Ducati-dedicated sprockets Which other Ducati shares the rear sprocket with '05 S2R800?

Or ... can you suggest any shops in Sydney or on-line shops in Oz which might stock AFAM sprockets to fit my needs?



Thank you for any info you might share with me
Melvin

Melvin, we stock TSS Rear Sprockets & Quick Change Carriers, just got a shipment in...have most sprocket sizes here, will give you a forum members discount..

It would have been a lovely day to be out riding!

I am going to change my rear in the future. I have stock gearing for mine which is 15/43
Thinking I'll go down one tooth at the rear to 42 as I have been told it might result in a better fuel range for my thirsty
Testastretta engine.

I too have a quick change sprocket carrier but I have to find out what will fit it, I'm not sure if it's AFAM or what.

Thanks ... that's a start
I don't think i care for a quick change carrier; front and rear sprocket will do me just fine. I will wait for the suggestions as to the ratio and than will get in touch with you
BTW - do you stock DID chains? I'm after 520ERV3

I found that changing from 14/38 back to 15/42 meant less gear changing for me and more use out of top gear.  Didn't make any difference around town - it hates traffic regardless.

Standard gearing is way to high, and in the city you will be after a new clutch very quickly, I dont understand how you are either too high or too low when you enter a corner, that usually is race track talk. On corners try going in a bit quicker or slower, quicker sounds good though doesnt it.

14/41 would be about perfect for highway use, and yes replace both sprockets and chain at the same time, it actually works out cheaper in the long run




                       Mmick

The "3rd too high / 4th too low" issues won't be better by a sprockets change (you already have a short combo).

You might find that a 15/41 will be suitable for one specific road, but then it will be a nightmare on another...
14/43 good for city riding, but too short for fast highways.... a.s.o. a.s.o.

ERV3 is a wonderful chain - soo much smoother [thumbsup]

Quote from: heatherp on July 15, 2010, 10:27:40 PM
I found that changing from 14/38 back to 15/42 meant less gear changing for me and more use out of top gear.  Didn't make any difference around town - it hates traffic regardless.

It's strange how little it takes. Your new combo changes the revs only by about 2%. (at 5,000 it means 100 revs)

Quote from: monstermick58 on July 15, 2010, 10:35:33 PM

I dont understand how you are either too high or too low when you enter a corner, that usually is race track talk.
                   

C'mon, Mick ... you know that i'm all about racing hence the talk  ;D
What i mean is that when i was going through corners at my pedestrian speeds 3rd gear seemed too high for that speed and 4th seemed too low Yes, i know faster in 4th would be better ... for you, tarmac-eating rider but not for me

OK did a lot of work with gear commander to ascertain the best compromise considering all aspects including chain & sprocket wear. Then  trialed a couple of configurations on my favorite roads (Glorious, Mt Mee etc) and decided on 15/43 using a quick change carrier (which looks cool & protects your single swing arm).

I did a lot of shopping around but found the sprocket center was the best value for money even with freight. I did get a new set for my SV650 at the same time so saved heaps compared to Oz (we decided on 15-47 on it). That put the SV on par with my Duc as far as acceleration goes.

I guess this will make life even more difficult for Loony as he'll get smoked by not only me but my son too. Perhaps I should see if I could do the same on my project bike?

Here's a pick of my project bike

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_AGyjb7g2yHc/TCcZrEx3FsI/AAAAAAAAAZg/wQ4Yht390Cg/s720/DSC_0049.JPG)

OK and this is what the quick change looks like

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_AGyjb7g2yHc/TCcHpONoPCI/AAAAAAAAAZg/mWKPNH3UxN0/s800/DSC_0069a.JPG)

Quote from: MonsterDorf on July 16, 2010, 01:00:34 AM
OK did a lot of work with gear commander to ascertain the best compromise considering all aspects including chain & sprocket wear. Then  trialed a couple of configurations on my favorite roads (Glorious, Mt Mee etc) and decided on 15/43 using a quick change carrier (which looks cool & protects your single swing arm).

I did a lot of shopping around but found the sprocket center was the best value for money even with freight. I did get a new set for my SV650 at the same time so saved heaps compared to Oz (we decided on 15-47 on it). That put the SV on par with my Duc as far as acceleration goes.

I guess this will make life even more difficult for Loony as he'll get smoked by not only me but my son too. Perhaps I should see if I could do the same on my project bike?

Here's a pick of my project bike

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_AGyjb7g2yHc/TCcZrEx3FsI/AAAAAAAAAZg/wQ4Yht390Cg/s720/DSC_0049.JPG)

uhhuh, ever hear the phrase "self praise is no reccomendation"?
I'm happy to get passed on the street, doesn't mean you're that much faster, just means you're prepared to take more chances than me. there's no finish line you know, and as long as i get home intact i'm a happy camper. maybe you should instill that kind of thinking on your son cause encouraging him to push it on the road will only end in disaster.

paul.

Thread Jack

Damn you for giving a sensible response - so unusual. You having a snag (sensitive new age guy) kind of a day? But I have to agree, we should all be encouraging sensible responsible riding. That therefore leads me to suggest that maybe we should organise a blat at Morgan Park. I have a friend with a Cagiva Elefant and one with a ST3 who may also be keen.

Have you seen the post on Brisbane Riders about inline 4 vs V configuration?

Back on Topic

Seriously have a play with http://www.gearingcommander.com/ (http://www.gearingcommander.com/) hours of fun.

Also

http://www.sprocketcenter.com/c/17510/1/800-s2r-monsterdark-05-08.html (http://www.sprocketcenter.com/c/17510/1/800-s2r-monsterdark-05-08.html)

15/43 hey.
Did the 800 run different stock gearing cause that's what i'm on now.
If ind it pretty good for all round stuff but I am trying to see if gearing can help extend my fuel range.

Quote from: MonsterDorf on July 16, 2010, 01:00:34 AM

I did a lot of shopping around but found the sprocket center was the best value for money even with freight.

i'm not all that worried about shipping as i will be in US next month. the sprockets prices there and here are not all that different but the DID chain is nearly twice as expensive here
the more i think about my predicament the more options i see. i do need a new rear sprocket now as the one i have is missing a tooth and i'm going to eastern creek in 2 weeks. so what i can do is put an oem rear sprocket for the day, buy sprockets/chain in the US and bring it here. case closed

MonsterDorf ... is the quick change carrier an indulgence rather than a necessity when i don't intend to change a rear sprocket for city/track/highway?

Quote from: mattyvas on July 16, 2010, 02:15:39 AM

15/43 hey.
Did the 800 run different stock gearing cause that's what i'm on now.

15/41 is our stock gearing, Matty

thanks

Quote from: MonsterDorf on July 16, 2010, 01:00:34 AM....using a quick change carrier (which looks cool & protects your single swing arm).

Please explain...

Quote from: monstermick58 on July 15, 2010, 10:35:33 PM
Standard gearing is way to high, and in the city you will be after a new clutch very quickly, I dont understand how you are either too high or too low when you enter a corner, that usually is race track talk. On corners try going in a bit quicker or slower, quicker sounds good though doesnt it.

14/41 would be about perfect for highway use, and yes replace both sprockets and chain at the same time, it actually works out cheaper in the long run




                       Mmick

Ive only had my S4R for close to 2 weeks now. Ive been trying to go for a few ries around down but have been helf up horrifically in trafic in a few occasions (last night included). Im not sure if my clutch is going or im just get paranoid (not only does the constant in out of the clutch lever kill my hand) im noticing i have to rev it to about 2.5-3k at lights and slip the clutch when ive been stuck in terrible traffic for more then 30min or so.

I m guessing as its an italian, this is normal?????

Melvin, I still run standard gearing on my S2R800 (whatever that is [roll]). I rarely ride in town ... and have been known to do the odd trip on the old road [evil]. I don't mind the ratios ... but I don't know any different as it is all I have run.

Past talk on the forum has had me contemplating a change next time (maybe up one or two on the rear) ... but from your comments I don't really see the need.

Of course we are all different and ride differently ... so who bloody knows.

Quote from: ungeheuer on July 16, 2010, 05:34:52 AM
Please explain...

I'd say he is talking about a rear sprocket/carrier which prevents the cush drives from backing out and messing up the eccentric hub.

That's exactly opposite to me, Betty. I spend 95% of my time in the city with the occasional short rides "to let my hair down"  ;)
And in the city shorter ratio is great as it gives bike a bit of a zip as well as when riding say 60k/hr 3rd feels ok while with the original set-up 2nd was a bit too high an 3rd a bit too low. Same goes for 80k/hr zones. But ...... that's exactly the same thing which is annoying out of the city with 3rd and 4th gears in the corners

Finding a miracle solution is not going to happen but considering other riders views and opinions is always interesting and educational

Hi Melvin
I used to run a 14T front on my 695 and loved it for city riding
mostly because it reduced the lugging in first gear , from what I read this increased the revs by some 600 ish rpm if my memory is correct.
The only reason I went back to 15T is when I installed a ride height adjuster to get the rear up the chain was too close to the DSS .
I was due for a new chain so did the complete drive chain but put on a 46T
on the rear , this now feels just like what I removed .
I may have lost 5-10ks from my top end unfortunately we don't get to ride at 200 ks that often on the street  ;D [evil] so I dont care,  and 5Th and 6 feel a bit close
but down low its very nice no lugging and likes to pop the front wheel a bit more
in 1st [thumbsup].

Quote from: melvin on July 16, 2010, 02:20:00 AM
MonsterDorf ... is the quick change carrier an indulgence rather than a necessity when i don't intend to change a rear sprocket for city/track/highway?

I've heard that the main advantage for _most_ people of the quick change carriers is that it allows you to run a much wider range of aftermarket rear sprockets, instead of having to buy OEM Ducati ones. If you're planning on riding the bike far enough, I think it's only 2 or 3 sprocket changes before the carrier pays for itself.

(Check the numbers though, I don't pay enough attention to SSA bike details, just sorta half remember them in passing...)

big

Quote from: Betty on July 16, 2010, 01:06:37 PMI'd say he is talking about a rear sprocket/carrier which prevents the cush drives from backing out and messing up the eccentric hub.

:o This can happen??  :o  How does an AFAM type carrier prevent such.. um..... unpleasantness?

Mine was 15/42 which I changed to 14/42. I've just changed to 15/44. Seems each model has different stock ratios.

Good stock gearing chart for the various models here >> http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/shop/catalog/ducati/chain.html#afam%20JT%20rear%20sprocket (http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/shop/catalog/ducati/chain.html#afam%20JT%20rear%20sprocket)

Quote from: ungeheuer on July 17, 2010, 03:02:25 AM
:o This can happen??  :o  How does an AFAM type carrier prevent such.. um..... unpleasantness?

the afam carrier has little "shelves" for a better word that stop the outer steel ring of the cush drive backing out against your chain adjuster and swingarm.
it can and does happen, _usually_ on the 4 valvers which tend to be ridden a bit harder but the 2 valve bikes are more than capable of tearing the cush drives as well. very, very expensive fix which can be easily avoided with the QC carrier. It does work out a little more expensive up front but i've just changed my 42T alloy afam sprocket after 25,000 klms and the replacement was $75, at a bike shop here in oz, literally a 5 min job instead of over an hour.


paul.

Quote from: MonsterDorf on July 16, 2010, 02:06:59 AM
Thread Jack

Damn you for giving a sensible response - so unusual. You having a snag (sensitive new age guy) kind of a day? But I have to agree, we should all be encouraging sensible responsible riding. That therefore leads me to suggest that maybe we should organise a blat at Morgan Park. I have a friend with a Cagiva Elefant and one with a ST3 who may also be keen.

Have you seen the post on Brisbane Riders about inline 4 vs V configuration?

Back on Topic

Seriously have a play with http://www.gearingcommander.com/ (http://www.gearingcommander.com/) hours of fun.

Also

http://www.sprocketcenter.com/c/17510/1/800-s2r-monsterdark-05-08.html (http://www.sprocketcenter.com/c/17510/1/800-s2r-monsterdark-05-08.html)

he he he, got to keep you on your toes mick!


paul.

yes to all of the above. Bevan from EuroTwins thought the risk on my 800 was low but I couldn't get the range of sprockets I wanted without the Quick change so an easy decision for me. The current ration is between the 14 & 15 tooth and is the Goldie Locks solution for me.

thanks for the tip, MonsterDorf  [thumbsup]
shipping to Oz is very reasonable US$48 but since i'm going to US next month than the local shipping was even more reasonable US$8 (!)

Melvin, a link to that page?

Quote from: stopintime on July 20, 2010, 12:59:52 AM
Melvin, a link to that page?

http://www.sprocketcenter.com/p/724608/stealth-520-conversion-kit-wdid-520erv3-race-chain---ducati.html (http://www.sprocketcenter.com/p/724608/stealth-520-conversion-kit-wdid-520erv3-race-chain---ducati.html)

Thanks [thumbsup] That's a great store.

Whats the advantage of a 520 conversion?

Quote from: ungeheuer on July 20, 2010, 02:20:43 AM
Whats the advantage of a 520 conversion?

Weight savings, I believe  [moto]

less rotating mass, have heard figures of 1-2 hp at the rear wheel on a 520 conversion, depends on bike etc ..

Quote from: ungeheuer on July 20, 2010, 02:20:43 AM
Whats the advantage of a 520 conversion?