6:30ish.
Thursday.
Zeitgeist.
Beer.
Tamales.
Ducatis.
Lies and tall tales.
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... if my monster has a chopped off tail - and since it's not like a lizard and won't be able to regenerate it, does it matter if I have a short tail rather than a tall one?
To quote a recent birthday card: "Sure, I like a cocktail every now and again. And the last time I check, it was now."
Hopefully it stays cold.
... won't b able to make it :( I have to see my shrink that evening so I don't go psycho.
Quote from: Princess on July 26, 2010, 07:54:50 PM
... won't b able to make it :( I have to see my shrink that evening so I don't go psycho.
One of their margaritas and a look around the inglorious Z will make you realize just how sane you are, m'dear. Save the $400 and come have a pint with us.
Tamales, beer, motorcycles and friends; does a person need much more?
Quote from: Michael Moore on July 26, 2010, 10:05:18 PM
Tamales, beer, motorcycles and friends; does a person need much more?
I think an 848 in pearl white constitutes a "need" but I'll settle for a couple of tamales.
I'll settle for an 1198S myself :)
Quote from: mostrobelle on July 26, 2010, 10:18:00 PM
I think an 848 in pearl white constitutes a "need" but I'll settle for a couple of tamales.
Quote from: Princess on July 27, 2010, 04:52:20 AM
I'll settle for an 1198S myself :)
That's not settling...that's indulging.
... indulging is a Desmosedici RR :)
Quote from: Princess on July 27, 2010, 06:07:26 AM
... indulging is a Desmosedici RR :)
No, that's a
bankruptcy.
Gee, nobody wants the all black 848 Evo?
Quote from: Michael Moore on July 27, 2010, 06:25:13 AM
Gee, nobody wants the all black 848 Evo?
spinal tap 's black album (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx6fwfBKCIQ#normal)
Quote from: Princess on July 27, 2010, 04:52:20 AM
I'll settle for an 1198S myself :)
I don't know what I'd do with all that bike. It would be a fun 30 seconds before I launched myself off of a cliff with it at 160 mph.
Quote from: mostrobelle on July 27, 2010, 07:22:58 AM
I don't know what I'd do with all that bike. It would be a fun 30 seconds before I launched myself off of a cliff with it at 160 mph.
Seems like you know
exactly what you'd do with it.
Quote from: mostrobelle on July 27, 2010, 07:22:58 AM
I don't know what I'd do with all that bike. It would be a fun 30 seconds before I launched myself off of a cliff with it at 160 mph.
You'd absolutely love it. It's fantastically easy to ride.
Quote from: Spidey on July 27, 2010, 07:29:27 AM
Seems like you know exactly what you'd do with it.
Realistically I'd probably lowside it at 15 mph leaving the gas station at Tambux.
Or maybe a highside?
accident near dealer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2noE-fcwU3M&feature=PlayList&p=B923D0671BB66249&playnext=1&index=25#normal)
Quote from: Spidey on July 27, 2010, 08:03:02 AM
Or maybe a highside?
It's got traction control...just keep it on 8 ;D
Did someone say pearl white 848?
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/mcy/1858249864.html (http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/mcy/1858249864.html)
Quote from: Spidey on July 27, 2010, 08:03:02 AM
Or maybe a highside?
No, I'd stall it out and tip. And then I'd have it fall on the other side trying to pick it up.
Maybe someone will let me ride theirs!
Quote from: desmoquattro on July 27, 2010, 06:15:16 AM
No, that's a bankruptcy.
Quote from: Spidey on July 26, 2010, 02:50:54 PM
6:30ish.
Thursday.
Zeitgeist.
Beer.
Tamales.
Ducatis.
Lies and tall tales.
[drink]
Address Again?? what kind of tamales??
Homemade tamales from the Tamale Lady. [thumbsup]
Zeitgeist is at the corner of Duboce and Valencia in SF. There's moto parking right out front.
The wheels of fate deny me once again. Do to short staffing they renigged on giving me Friday off and I had to take today off instead. Next month hopefully.
But I fully intend to be @ Sears this Sunday.
Quote from: ducamonsta on July 28, 2010, 06:48:26 PM
Address Again?? what kind of tamales??
The tamales are OK if put enough hot sauce on them. I like things sorta spicy though. She makes them all tame for us crackers.
sorry - i won't be attending - i'm overworked tomorrow
TONIGHT!!
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Polpetta and friend will be dropping by for drinks and tamales and old friends and drinks. Not to worry though, I'm still down in SB.
[beer]
sac
Bah! Sorry to have missed everyone. Just now finishing up work. Faaack/FML.
Me too - missed it again. Work.
I'm in Utah in the moutains with lions tigers and bears.
Quote from: Desmostro on July 30, 2010, 05:14:38 AM
I'm in Utah in the moutains with lions tigers and bears.
...and cougars.
I like cold Zeitgeist nights. [thumbsup] [drink]
Quote from: SacDuc on July 29, 2010, 01:46:25 PM
Polpetta and friend will be dropping by for drinks and tamales and old friends and drinks. Not to worry though, I'm still down in SB.
[beer]
sac
I saw no Polpetta. No friends. :'(
BTW, here's the AMA Daytona Sportbike pass by Corey West we were talking about last night. Insane. Keep an eye on the yellow bike in 6th place.
Corey West Sick Passing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naHgiFqa_lM#normal)