I'd love to own me a chain saw, but I live in a condo thus no use for one.
I actually thought about buying one and DHLing it down to the Hilton Resort in Costa Rica as these poor fellows on the maintenance staff had to take down a palm tree damaged in a storm with a make the beast with two backsing machete. Seriously? I felt so bad for these guys. I wanted to snap a picture, but that would be a bit rude.
It literally took these two fellows 3-4 hours to cut down a 5-6in diameter tropical tree.
Ok, so my chainsaw story:
I used to work at some duplex condo's during my summer's starting when I could get a work permit at 14. My brother's and I worked there and we got the job as the president of the homeowner's associations son was a Capt on the Fire Dept and my brother was at the time, so it sort of "stayed in the family" if you know what I mean. There were a few hundred units, so not a small outfit. We did everything but mow the grass. Trim bushes, take down trees, landscape, fix the shitty sprinkler system, etc etc etc.
Rules were no power tools til you were 16, so I spent the better half of two summers with a make the beast with two backsing rake and being my brother's pregnant doges, which is what older brothers make you do. I digress.
Fast forward many years to 2003.
Just graduated from college, didn't have a job, so my likely move was to go back to making 14$ an hour at Country Village (Mario/Grifo where know where this is).
The now boss was some huge douchebag that claimed to be a vietnam vet and had the most outlandish stories. Maybe they were true, maybe not. However, his drinking tails he told me (current at the time) were just ridiculously unbelievable.
Ok, so we had some wicked storms move through the area one July night and the next day was clean up duty.
I was on our piece of shit chain saw; I can't remember the brand, but it wasn't a high quality one.
I was cutting up and down pine trees, which if you have ever done this with a chainsaw, it is an awful mess of sap.
So the next day, Fagray (his name was Ray, but we called him that........that is short for make the beast with two backsing Gay Ray) he asked me to change out the chain on the saw and I kindly informed him I had no idea how to do it and he was like "you are a college graduate, make the beast with two backsing figure it out). Thanks dude. I love make the beast with two backsing with a high speed chain installation I know nothing about.
So I am hurrying to get this done because a dump truck showed up in our driveway at the "shed" to dump a shit ton of rock, but the driver couldn't fully dump the load because a tree limb was in the way of extending the bed.
So Ray instructs me to get out the big boy extension ladder, and proceed to cut down this limb about 30ft in the air.
I am not a make the beast with two backsing professional tree trimmer here. Also, I dislike heights, especially on extension ladders which are wobbly as make the beast with two backs at that height. So I throw all common sense to the wind, throw in a wad of chew, and say make the beast with two backs it.
I scale the ladder, get the shitty saw started and with one hand (only way to cut this branch) attempt at it. Nothing is happening at all. No cut, nothing.
Ray yells up "Hey moron, did you put the chain on backwards?"
Yup, I did. What a cocksucker.
I climb down the ladder again, disassemble the chain, switch it around (as the dump truck operator is getting pissed), fire the make the beast with two backser up, test it out on some nearby wood, works fine now.
Climb back up scary old ladder, start the make the beast with two backser, and one hand cut down this 4in limb.
That really sucked.
At least later in the day I got to kill a rabid possum we caught in our cage. Ray even paid me an extra hour of work to replace the hollow points I used [thumbsup]. It's not easy shooting a moving possum that is all make the beast with two backsed up, but I think I only popped off 3-5 rounds; I only missed once, just had to make good and sure that sucker wasn't going to get up again (Sac and Mr I - had to throw macho gun antics in the thread.......just for you guys :-*)
(yes, this possum had rabies........and I hate possums anyway)
On with the chainsaw stories...............
I used to make my living with my chainsaw and heat my house too (burned wood for many years). I worked for the Forest Service and used their saws and took their basic class. I was layed off during the winters and made money then by cutting wood. I really learned a lot about using a saw when I was assigned to work with a 70 year old logger that had a special contract with the Forest Service. He had to fall several dangerous trees and he took the time to teach me his trade. My first saw was a homelite that my wife had picked up at a garage sale. After I blew it up a second time I said the hell with it and ran out that very day and bought a brand new Husky 266 with a 28" bar. Best impulse purchase I ever made. What a hell of a tool. When sharp it cuts an old growth Doug Fir like it was made of butter. Using the thing still give me a rush like riding my duck up a canyon or making it with a $5k a night ho (never actually did that). That saw is 20 yrs old now but still pulls like a mother f*cker.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 27, 2010, 05:29:53 AM
I'd love to own me a chain saw, but I live in a condo thus no use for one.
this sentence is so annoying
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 27, 2010, 05:29:53 AM
I'd love to own me a chain saw, but I live in a condo thus no use for one.
What!?!?! Are you a make the beast with two backsing homo or something? Real men own chainsaws. You're probably one of those liberal fags who think chainsaws should be banned. Whatever dude. You know why I own a chainsaw? Be cause the make the beast with two backsing CONSTITUTION says I can, that's why!
sac
Quote from: ducatiz on July 27, 2010, 06:45:29 AM
this sentence is so annoying
Why do you think I posted it that way big bro?
I knew it would annoy someone.
Doesn't much surprise me you were the first to respond.
Irregardless, I still like you.
Quote from: SacDuc on July 27, 2010, 06:58:12 AM
What!?!?! Are you a make the beast with two backsing homo or something? Real men own chainsaws. You're probably one of those liberal fags who think chainsaws should be banned. Whatever dude. You know why I own a chainsaw? Be cause the make the beast with two backsing CONSTITUTION says I can, that's why!
sac
Liberal Fag?
How about you learn to make the beast with two backsing spell.
No wonder you can never find a job; your grammar sucks.
Quote from: SacDuc on July 27, 2010, 06:58:12 AM
What!?!?! Are you a make the beast with two backsing homo or something? Real men own chainsaws. You're probably one of those liberal fags who think chainsaws should be banned. Whatever dude. You know why I own a chainsaw? Be cause the make the beast with two backsing CONSTITUTION says I can, that's why!
sac
Cyrus, Is this thread about you or chainsaws. Don't be a pussy. Get a damn saw. I know you are into guns, me too, and I can tell you that my Husky with a 28" bar is much more manly than my 44 mag with a 6" barrel. A 28" bar can make up for a lot of Penis inadequacy.
all I wanted was a chainsaw.... and she wouldn't give it to me.
Quote from: akmnstr on July 27, 2010, 07:07:47 AM
Cyrus, Is this thread about you or chainsaws. Don't be a pussy. Get a damn saw. I know you are into guns, me too, and I can tell you that my Husky with a 28" bar is much more manly than my 44 mag with a 6" barrel. A 28" bar can make up for a lot of Penis inadequacy.
ppsssttt akmnstr: it's always about him then secondarily another topic.
;)
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 27, 2010, 07:01:46 AM
Why do you think I posted it that way big bro?
I knew it would annoy someone.
Doesn't much surprise me you were the first to respond.
Irregardless, I still like you.
Liberal Fag?
How about you learn to make the beast with two backsing spell.
No wonder you can never find a job; your grammar sucks.
heehee
sac
/have never been unemployed in my adult life
Quote from: akmnstr on July 27, 2010, 07:07:47 AM
Cyrus, Is this thread about you or chainsaws. Don't be a pussy. Get a damn saw. I know you are into guns, me too, and I can tell you that my Husky with a 28" bar is much more manly than my 44 mag with a 6" barrel. A 28" bar can make up for a lot of Penis inadequacy.
Chainsaws.
I have zero use for one. It'd be like me buying a surf board in Ohio.
Quote from: Stella on July 27, 2010, 07:09:45 AM
ppsssttt akmnstr: it's always about him then secondarily another topic.
;)
Of course it is [roll]
Quote from: SacDuc on July 27, 2010, 07:10:32 AM
/have never been unemployed in my adult life
Ok or whatever your failed business venture was. I don't remember nor do I really give a shit.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 27, 2010, 07:13:27 AM
Chainsaws.
I have zero use for one. It'd be like me buying a surf board in Ohio.
so i guess you don't hang out at Surfer Monkey at Tuttle Crossing?
Quote from: ducatiz on July 27, 2010, 07:21:42 AM
so i guess you don't hang out at Surfer Monkey at Tuttle Crossing?
Can we get back on the subject of Chainsaws. And every real man needs one, well maybe not Cyrus. Ya never know when the need will come up. Your fantasy woman could get trapped in her car when a tree falls on it and then there you are. The hero with the right tool at the right time.
Well I’ve heated with wood for years. Three of us go out every year to cut wood for three families.
It’s a lot of wood to say the least. I’ve got a Stihl 660 with a 30 inch bar on it.
since I’ve got the big saw I’m always the designated faller. Up here in north Idaho we cut standing deadwood.
Tamarack and Red Fir are what we go after. The guys are always complaining because I have a knack
for finding BFTs, (Big make the beast with two backsing Trees). Not sure how I do it but I’ll spot something up the hill that looks
good only to find out when I get up near it it’s a BFT! Think big like two rounds side by side go across a
pickup bed and 12 rounds fill a pickup, actually way overloaded it weight wise. Anyway I digress. Every time we go out
they say no more big trees. Especially since it takes 3 guys to pick up a round to load it. Sorry digressing again.
So we, I mean I, find this freaking huge tamarack just off the road. Now I always catch shit because I wear a hard hat
when I am falling a tree. I’ve had little shit come down but nothing really to worry about. So we are scoping this tree out
and I am looking at it and thinking how best to drop it where I want it. When I cut the big stuff like this I like to have a spotter
watching for me just in case. So I start my cut and realize that this tree is huge, I had to cut from both sides even with a 30in bar.
Holy crap I’m thinking, I hope this doesn’t spin on me. So I start my back cut and the BFT decides to lean back and pinch the bar.
Dammit dammit dammit! I break out the wedges and falling axe and drive the wedges in suddenly she (the BFT) decides to move.
She rolls off a cedar and freaking spins. I’m pulling the saw trying to get it loose. Thinking the whole time ah shit
this is where I buy the farm. I’m dancing around pulling on the saw and the BFT is moving in slow mo, leaning over and spinning
her deadly dance. She’s just about spun off the stump and the saw comes free. I yank the saw free and throw if out of the way
and I try and jump the other way and make it about 2 steps and WHAM. That’s all she wrote.
I come to and my friends are looking at me with big eyes and I’m saying what the make the beast with two backs happened.
Turns out that as the BFT, that pregnant dog, spun it sheared a big chunk of branch off way up in the crown and down it came and
met my head as I was getting out of the way. Never have had one word since then about the hard hat.
Though I still get shit, no more BFTs!!!!
yeah right.
Quote from: ducatiz on July 27, 2010, 07:21:42 AM
so i guess you don't hang out at Surfer Monkey at Tuttle Crossing?
1. How do you know what Tuttle Crossing is?
2. WTF is Surfer Monkey?
Quote from: akmnstr on July 27, 2010, 07:27:21 AM
Can we get back on the subject of Chainsaws. And every real man needs one, well maybe not Cyrus. Ya never know when the need will come up. Your fantasy woman could get trapped in her car when a tree falls on it and then there you are. The hero with the right tool at the right time.
1. I'd love a nice Stihl Chainsaw, just would rather save my money at this point in my life
2. My fantasy woman is my wife
3. I am so strong, full of self confidence, and arrogant, I can move mountains on my own. therefore, I can just lift the tree off her Jetta.
There is nothing like that big "WHUMP!!!!!!" of a BFT hitting the ground though.
Visceral, Now that is a real man's story. Yeah and it gave me wood (pun intended). I always wear my hard hat, gloves, chaps, safety glasses, and hearing protection. The logger that taught me to fall was nearly deaf from running a saw all his life without safety gear.
Yeah i love that whump too but this time I was out cold and missed it [bang]
AK -
Why a Husky over a Stihl?
I always thought stihl made the best power tools (when I did the landscaping we had Stihl hedge trimmers, blower/vacs, and weed whackers). They all kicked ass.
(this is actually a legit question)
or is it more of a:
why buy a John Deere over a Case Combine?
stihl.
only good saw for cutting down burning trees
Quote from: akmnstr on July 27, 2010, 07:40:38 AM
Visceral, Now that is a real man's story. Yeah and it gave me wood (pun intended). I always wear my hard hat, gloves, chaps, safety glasses, and hearing protection. The logger that taught me to fall was nearly deaf from running a saw all his life without safety gear.
Hard hat, gloves and ear plugs. You'd think I would wear chaps after another instance where I pulled the saw out as the
tree started over and stumbled backwards and fell back with the bar coming to rest on my calf. Damn long bar.
We don't need to go to the hospital I say as I bleed, we got work to do. Don't we have some duct tape in the truck?
Yeah I slapped some duct tape on my leg and went back to work. My wife was horrified at the time. [laugh]
Quote from: herm on July 27, 2010, 07:45:03 AM
stihl.
only good saw for cutting down burning trees
never take advice from people who run into a burning forrest
Quote from: Mother on July 27, 2010, 07:49:17 AM
never take advice from people who run into a burning forrest
or burning buildings...
I don't have a chainsaw b/c the owners of the complex I manage are freaking cheap tightfisted idiots. So I just borrow my father-in-laws Stihl 440 w/ a 28inch bar. Starts up on the first pull every time.
I had to rent a chipper and a polesaw from home depot and trimmed 12 trees and chipped the branches for ten hours on Saturday in 90 degree heat. I drank four Gatordaes and two gallons of water easy that day, but I got it done for a final price of $146 rental price including the damage protection. I too got made fun of for wearing a hardhat while trimming trees . . . until a tenant who decided to "help" for a while hit me in the head with a 3" branch. I,m still wondering if that was an accident.
The Doc
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 27, 2010, 07:43:55 AM
AK -
Why a Husky over a Stihl?
Personally I think it's a case of John Deere vs Case thing.
They are both great saws and both are used extensively here in loggerville.
Though you do see more Stihls. Personally I think the Stihls are better built. The new Huskys have alot
more plastic parts on them, well at least cheaper plastic parts that I didn't like.
My first saw that I had was an old Stihl 029 from my dad that was made in West Germany. Yeah before the wall came down. I had a tree fall on it and drive it into the ground. It was an all steel case and didn't hurt it in the least.
It was heavy and your couldnt throw it very far was the only problem.
Stihl here.
Also, have a two man buck saw, though I want a solo one (until Jr. get older).
Sometimes, it's just easier.
Stihl vs. Husky, Yeah they are both great saws. I got to use a lot of different Stihls that the Forest Service supplied and I have no complaints. However, I liked the Husky better. At the time I got my saw the Husky's were lighter and more powerful for a given displacement. Yes, they have a lot of plastic parts, but I see that as a good thing. It makes for a lighter saw. The NiCom cylinder bore on my husky was so tough that when I burned up a piston due to running too lean, I was able to just replace the piston. Never was able to do that with a Homelite of Stihl.
And I am bias. Much like Ducati, Husky has the smaller market share and competes with a high performance product. Also, it is made in Sweden, where my ancestors came from, which has made any other argument insignificant to me.
Stihl VS Husky - a lot of it for me is the dealerships. Husky you can find at some big box farm & country stores - which has advantages and disadvantages - usually dumb kids working there, but they are open late and on the weekends. Hit or miss if they have replacement parts. Stihl are more ma and pa shops, almost even every small town in the midwest has one. If they are open, they can always answer questions and sell you replacement parts.
I think the saws are basically the same mechanically. I have used both, and they are both more than capable of stopping zombies.
mitt
Oh yeah, I almost forgot. I dig the sound the husky makes. The rattle of the clutch and exhaust note that lets you know what your dealing with. A lot like the attraction of a Ducati.
Quote from: mitt on July 27, 2010, 08:24:40 AM
Stihl VS Husky - a lot of it for me is the dealerships. Husky you can find at some big box farm & country stores - which has advantages and disadvantages - usually dumb kids working there, but they are open late and on the weekends. Hit or miss if they have replacement parts. Stihl are more ma and pa shops, almost even every small town in the midwest has one. If they are open, they can always answer questions and sell you replacement parts.
I think the saws are basically the same mechanically. I have used both, and they are both more than capable of stopping zombies.
mitt
For the big manly saws of either brand you will have to go to a specialty store. In the Northwest that would be a rigging store. A place just full of the most manly stuff you can imagine. The places just emit an odor of gasoline and testosterone.
Quote from: akmnstr on July 27, 2010, 08:21:51 AM
Also, it is made in Sweden, where my ancestors came from, which has made any other argument insignificant to me.
Only the big saws and pro-grade small saws are made in the home land. I think most of their consumer line is made in Taiwan? - which isn't a bad thing, just an observation.
Most of Stihl consumer stuff is made in the USA. Their high end saws are made in Germany. Made in US was a selling point for me.
mitt
I just have some cheap POS I bought at Walmart that I bought for cutting up a specific tree and only used once. For trimming the pine trees in my yard I prefer my extendable pole saw thing anyway. Also have a couple antique hand saws I'll hang on the wall someday for display. My best tool for taking down trees has been a chain and my truck.
The good stuff you're all talking about I can buy within walking distance of my house should the need arise.
Quote from: akmnstr on July 27, 2010, 08:29:56 AM
For the big manly saws of either brand you will have to go to a specialty store. In the Northwest that would be a rigging store. A place just full of the most manly stuff you can imagine. The places just emit an odor of gasoline and testosterone.
Very few real husky stores in the midwest - pitty really, because Stihl is the only option if you want the specialty store experience.
mitt
Quote from: lethe on July 27, 2010, 08:31:17 AM
The good stuff you're all talking about I can buy within walking distance of my house should the need arise.
I have a nice Do-It brand locally-employee owned shop I could walk to as well.
They carry Stihl. Of course their prices are a bit higher than other shops, but again, I'd rather give them my business over a big box store.
What are your thoughts on Craftsman electric chain saws?
<ducks>
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: mitt on July 27, 2010, 08:32:29 AM
Very few real husky stores in the midwest - pitty really, because Stihl is the only option if you want the specialty store experience.
mitt
husky or husqy?
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 27, 2010, 08:39:53 AM
I have a nice Do-It brand locally-employee owned shop I could walk to as well.
They carry Stihl. Of course their prices are a bit higher than other shops, but again, I'd rather give them my business over a big box store.
What are your thoughts on Craftsman electric chain saws?
<ducks>
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Realistically for the average person who would just be trimming a branch once in a blue moon, why not?
That's why I don't have anything impressive, with only a quarter acre it would be money better spent on something else.
Would I like the good stuff, of course but it'd be a shame not to use it.
Almost as bad as owning a bike that corners well and living in Ohio.
QuoteWhat are your thoughts on Craftsman electric chain saws?
My father-in-law has one. I can't say much about that cause my wife may read this someday. But, when there is some real woodcutting to be done at his place it is his son-in-law that gets the call.
Quote from: lethe on July 27, 2010, 08:45:11 AM
Realistically for the average person who would just be trimming a branch once in a blue moon, why not?
That's why I don't have anything impressive, with only a quarter acre it would be money better spent on something else.
Would I like the good stuff, of course but it'd be a shame not to use it.
Almost as bad as owning a bike that corners well and living in Ohio.
I suppose you are correct if the branch isn't terribly large.
I am with you on buying tools that I might use occasionally.
I have a 35$ black and decker drill (not cordless). It works for everything I'd ever need it for.
Sure, I'd love that nice Dewalt one for 200$, but what's the point?
As for roads in Ohio..........head down towards Hocking Hills (south east) and then re-think that.
Sure, the roads aren't like CO or CA, but more realistically for you.......WV or NC.
Isn't PA as flat as a level?
Quote from: akmnstr on July 27, 2010, 08:50:43 AM
My father-in-law has one. I can't say much about that cause my wife may read this someday. But, when there is some real woodcutting to be done at his place it is his son-in-law that gets the call.
Funny you say that, my brother's father in law (who actually is an avid outdoorsmen) bought my brother electric hedge trimmers.
WTF?
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 27, 2010, 08:54:19 AM
As for roads in Ohio..........head down towards Hocking Hills (south east) and then re-think that.
Sure, the roads aren't like CO or CA, but more realistically for you.......WV or NC.
Isn't PA as flat as a level?
Just busting your chops, 'cause I can and should as I'm sure not all of Ohio is terrible, just where you are.
Nothing flat here. While not at the level of twistyness you find in the WV or western NC, there are some very good roads to be had very close to my house and some fantastic ones within a stones throw as well. You're welcome to sample them anytime. Preferably a group ride where you, Sac and Statler all make the trip. [evil]
Johnsred is a good saw too. A lot of pulpers in Northern Wisconsin run them with good results. I've run Stihl and Husqvarna and like em both. My understanding is that the Husky is a bit lighter per displacement than the Stihl, which at the end of the day leaves you a little less tired. I guess it really doesn't matter much as long as you are using sharp production chain without all that wimpy anti-kickback stuff. Most people refer to the consumer chain as anti-cut chain.
Anyone have a preference or experience with firewood processors?
Not sure what you mean about firewood processors?
The first thing with a new saw is take the chain off and
put a skip tooth chain on it. It'll cut so much faster and you can use the whole bar.
Maybe he is referring to a hydraulic log splitter?
Skip tooth chain doesn't do me much good. I'm cutting mostly red and white oak and a 20" bar is plenty long for most stuff so I have enough power to pull chips with all the teeth. I am thinking about getting a small Alaska Mill setup where skip tooth chain is used to rip lumber out of logs.
A firewood processor takes logs, cuts them to length, splits them and typically has a conveyor to load the split wood into trucks or containers. Some are fully automatic(don't even need a Class 3 License), semi- automatic or manual. Some mount on skidsteer arms and run off the units hydraulics. They will process 1-3 cords per hour.
Hahn HFP160 Firewood Pro - Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TQBSyWTpfM#normal) This is the skidsteer unit at work. I want!
^^^
Good lord that would be a lot for personal use.
That'd be like driving a dumptruck for a pickup!
I'm considering a firewood business - processing about 40 semi-loads/season
Quote from: WarrenJ on July 27, 2010, 10:22:15 AM
Skip tooth chain doesn't do me much good. I'm cutting mostly red and white oak and a 20" bar is plenty long for most stuff so I have enough power to pull chips with all the teeth. I am thinking about getting a small Alaska Mill setup where skip tooth chain is used to rip lumber out of logs.
A firewood processor takes logs, cuts them to length, splits them and typically has a conveyor to load the split wood into trucks or containers. Some are fully automatic(don't even need a Class 3 License), semi- automatic or manual. Some mount on skidsteer arms and run of the units hydraulics. They will process 1-3 cords per hour.
Hahn HFP160 Firewood Pro - Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TQBSyWTpfM#normal) This is the skidsteer unit at work. I want!
oh wow.
I have zero need for that but yet I want it. [evil]
Good thing I don't have tons of disposable income.
Those .404 chisel tooth hydraulic harvestor saws really cut!
WOW I want one!!!
I could do my years wood and my buddies too in 6 hours or so.
Want want want!!
edit:
$36000 just for the attachment kinda puts a dent in things though [bang]
Quote from: VisceralReaction on July 27, 2010, 12:24:28 PM
WOW I want one!!!
I could do my years wood and my buddies too in 6 hours or so.
Want want want!!
edit:
$36000 just for the attachment kinda puts a dent in things though [bang]
Well....just ask your buddies how much they would give you to take care of their wood.
Let us know what they say.
Stihl will go longer in the heat/dust/ash. Huskies have a tendancy to overheat if you push them for more than about 10 hours in those conditions. (think Southern California, or Arizona)
Husky revs higher, but less torque. great for brush, but will bog down sooner in a big tree
Stihl is WAY easier to work on in the field. much easier to get parts for too (for firefighters anyway.)
did i mention i prefer Stihl?
Quote from: WarrenJ on July 27, 2010, 10:22:15 AM
Skip tooth chain doesn't do me much good. I'm cutting mostly red and white oak and a 20" bar is plenty long for most stuff so I have enough power to pull chips with all the teeth. I am thinking about getting a small Alaska Mill setup where skip tooth chain is used to rip lumber out of logs.
A firewood processor takes logs, cuts them to length, splits them and typically has a conveyor to load the split wood into trucks or containers. Some are fully automatic(don't even need a Class 3 License), semi- automatic or manual. Some mount on skidsteer arms and run off the units hydraulics. They will process 1-3 cords per hour.
Hahn HFP160 Firewood Pro - Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TQBSyWTpfM#normal) This is the skidsteer unit at work. I want!
that's cool - never seen one like that before.
mitt
A friend of mine that sells Huskys had a good description of the similarities between Stihl and Husqvarna. He said that if you drop a tree on them, they'll both break and if you leave them in the back of the pickup, they will both disappear. From what I see, the Stihls do have more torque and are a bit tougher and the Huskys are a bit lighter and higher speed. I used my dad's 028 Stihl for years and its still a good saw. I do like my Husky 357xp for working in my woods cutting firewood but I can see how those Stihls would be a better machine for real rough duty like firefighting.
WORLDS BIGGEST/FASTEST CHAIN SAW With V8 Engine/300 horsepower (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brfKKehFtmw#normal)
Quote from: herm on July 27, 2010, 03:08:57 PM
Husky revs higher, but less torque.
This is the basic difference between the two saws and the most accurate description.
Ive got two Stihl and I havent been able to hurt them. 028 and 011. Very reliable.
My neighbor owns a tree service and swears by his Stihls. Stihl has a plant right here in Virginia Beach as well
However. . .
About 15 years ago, I picked up a Poulan 20" chainsaw when HQ went out of business. It's absolutely the ugliest chainsaw I've ever seen, green and purple with "WILD THING" printed on the bar(I shit you not) but the price was right. I used it around the house for light duty, and some firewood, etc.
Seven years ago we had a hurricane here, and my 3 man crew and I spent the next ten days cutting and hauling 12-18 hours a day. No one had electricity, 99% of the stores were closed for about a week, so hardly any gas, and absolutely no bar oil was available so we were forced to use 10w30 as chain oil. That saw never missed a beat the entire time, and still runs fine to this day. I've replaced the bar twice, the sprocket once, and the chain maybe half a dozen times.
Good saw, but it's still ugly.
Ha, the cbr600 f4 of chainsaws. Runs forever with funky graphics!
Quote from: Mother on July 27, 2010, 07:49:17 AM
never take advice from people who run into a burning forrest
You need to know herm to understand the truth in this statement.
I own a jonsereds.
They're all owned by the same company now.
I don't think it matters.
It's just like a bike or car...buy one from a dealer that can fix it when you drop a tree on it or run it over. ;)
Quote from: Bun-bun on July 28, 2010, 06:50:02 PM
My neighbor owns a tree service and swears by his Stihls. Stihl has a plant right here in Virginia Beach as well
However. . .
About 15 years ago, I picked up a Poulan 20" chainsaw when HQ went out of business. It's absolutely the ugliest chainsaw I've ever seen, green and purple with "WILD THING" printed on the bar(I shit you not) but the price was right. I used it around the house for light duty, and some firewood, etc.
Seven years ago we had a hurricane here, and my 3 man crew and I spent the next ten days cutting and hauling 12-18 hours a day. No one had electricity, 99% of the stores were closed for about a week, so hardly any gas, and absolutely no bar oil was available so we were forced to use 10w30 as chain oil. That saw never missed a beat the entire time, and still runs fine to this day. I've replaced the bar twice, the sprocket once, and the chain maybe half a dozen times.
Good saw, but it's still ugly.
Thanks for the rec, they are all over the place for about $100 refurbished. I am going to pick one up now.
despite my bias towards Stihl, Husky is also a very reputable product. And sometimes you just have to use the available tool for the job [evil]
elk overkill2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIDvdt9hz2A#normal)
As we all know, I am not mechanical and generally a moron when it comes to such topics.
Higher RPMS - Quicker Cutting job?
More Torque - Cutting harder wood?
Yes? No? Maybe so?
By the way....I called my brother last night and we tried to figure out that chainsaw we had at the Village.
Does Eager Beaver sound right? It was a little one, so maybe only a 12" bar on it
Quote from: herm on July 29, 2010, 04:38:43 AM
despite my bias towards Stihl, Husky is also a very reputable product. And sometimes you just have to use the available tool for the job [evil]
elk overkill2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIDvdt9hz2A#normal)
Are you referring ot the Home Depot brand Husky or Husqvarna?
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 29, 2010, 04:58:20 AM
As we all know, I am not mechanical and generally a moron when it comes to such topics.
Higher RPMS - Quicker Cutting job? - faster chain speed, as long as you can keep it up there. good for brush and softer, smaller diameter stuff
More Torque - Cutting harder wood? slightly slower chain speed, but more even cutting speed through all ranges of material, and keeps going a LOT longer in large diameter stuff.
Yes? No? Maybe so?
By the way....I called my brother last night and we tried to figure out that chainsaw we had at the Village.
Does Eager Beaver sound right? It was a little one, so maybe only a 12" bar on it
think ducati vs honda, straight away vs turns
or truck diesel vs gass truck regarding towing capabilities.
Quote from: ducatiz on July 29, 2010, 05:17:21 AM
Are you referring ot the Home Depot brand Husky or Husqvarna?
definitely not home depot..
Quote from: herm on July 29, 2010, 05:20:40 AM
definitely not home depot..
gotcha.. just making sure.. i have taken to spelling it "husqy" online so there is no dispute..
not that i talk about my chain saw all the time... but.. lately...
Quote from: herm on July 29, 2010, 05:19:52 AM
think ducati vs honda, straight away vs turns
or truck diesel vs gass truck regarding towing capabilities.
So pretty much if you are in the tree industry, then you would want a set of saws with both characteristics to match your job?
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 29, 2010, 05:34:30 AM
So pretty much if you are in the tree industry, then you would want a set of saws with both characteristics to match your job?
<---totally subjective here...
no, because the stihl still revs plenty high without bogging down in the larger stuff. its easier to work on in the field too.
plus, _most_ people in the business are as set on their saw as they are on their make of truck.
Quote from: herm on July 29, 2010, 06:24:06 AM
<---totally subjective here...
no, because the stihl still revs plenty high without bogging down in the larger stuff. its easier to work on in the field too.
plus, _most_ people in the business are as set on their saw as they are on their make of truck.
Who would have ever thought people are so picky over their brand of saw even though it sounds like both brands are of good quality, with slight differences in performance, but overall capable of getting shit done.
(I'd personally buy a Stihl if I needed one. I have absolutely zero basis behind this aside from I have used some of their other products and been pleased with the build quality, performance, and most importantly, lack of down time)
I used to run a Stihl hedge trimmer 8hrs a day in the summer heat and never once it failed. Of course there were times it wasn't on, but it got a lot of use and never one broke or malfunctioned.
I can't say the same for our old Homelite ones.
Typically, a higher revving saw will cut better in certain situations such as cutting clear logs without obstructions and no sand or dirt with very sharp chains. More torque is real helpful when felling difficult trees, cutting with chains that are less than perfectly sharp, cutting in sandy or dirty conditions, cutting large trees with long bars, etc.
My Husquvarna 357 XP is a screamer, especially with freshly sharpened chisel chain, bucking 12" oak logs off the ground. If I'm cutting big logs or felling difficult trees, I'll grab my 365 - same bar length and chain but more torque. Definitely a better saw in tougher cutting situations but it is heavier and doesen't have the raw cutting speed of the 357 in ideal conditions.
I run Husqvarnas because a family friend carries them at his rigging store so I have access to excellent parts, service and a bit of a discount now and then. If he carried Stihl, thats probably what I'd use. For the firewood cutting I do, its really a horse a piece. If I was working forestfire work or disaster recovery, I'd probably go with the Stihl for its ability to take more abuse, but working in my woods, cutting up oak firewood, my Husqvarnas have provided me with years of troublefree service.
My wife wanted me to buy a husqvarna saw to match her sewing machine (which costs about 3 times the saw I was looking at :o )
I ended up with a stihl and she was disappointed.
mitt
QuoteWho would have ever thought people are so picky over their brand of saw even though it sounds like both brands are of good quality, with slight differences in performance, but overall capable of getting shit done.
You wouldn't believe how much time is spent discussing and arguing about what is the best saw by those who work in the woods. It is by far the favorite topic followed by similar discussions on what brand of boots you wear.
Quote from: akmnstr on July 29, 2010, 08:43:00 AM
You wouldn't believe how much time is spent discussing and arguing about what is the best saw by those who work in the woods. It is by far the favorite topic followed by similar discussions on what brand of boots you wear.
I guess its like anything someone uses for a living.........everyone has their opinion of what is best.
I am NOT starting a boot thread
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Ok, so we have a bunch of lumberjacks on this forum apparently
Any of you characters ever tried out or competed in the Wilderness Games (or whatever the make the beast with two backs they are called) on ESPN where you have to go through a battery of wood cutting tasks?
I admit........I watch it when it is on.
We have logger days where I live. I compete just in that local stuff.
I usually place pretty well. I take the axe throwing competition every year though.
I am usually drinking at the events so i have to do the events before I get tossed.
Especially the power events.
QuoteAny of you characters ever tried out or competed in the Wilderness Games (or whatever the make the beast with two backs they are called) on ESPN where you have to go through a battery of wood cutting tasks?
I used to go watch em when I lived in OR but never entered. I spent one season teaching forestry at a job corp center. We held our own competition in which we invited all the schools in the Northwest. It was great fun. Most of my students were tough city kids. It was great fun as they took the competition deadly serious.
Quote from: mitt on July 29, 2010, 08:37:33 AM
My wife wanted me to buy a husqvarna saw to match her sewing machine (which costs about 3 times the saw I was looking at :o )
I ended up with a stihl and she was disappointed.
mitt
I think there are 3 Husqvarna sewing machines here at last count. I'd sort of like to find a Husqvarna Motorcycle that they made in the same orange color as the saws.
There are a couple of antique farm shows around here that are having some lumberjack competitions with vintage equipment. I'd like to do single and double bucking with my crosscuts. I don't have a couple grand to lay out for a professional peg and raker racing saw.
Quote from: WarrenJ on July 29, 2010, 11:10:02 AM
I think there are 3 Husqvarna sewing machines here at last count. I'd sort of like to find a Husqvarna Motorcycle that they made in the same orange color as the saws.
Jesus, this company makes:
1. Motobikes
2. Chainsaws
3. Sewing Machines?
are the sewing machines 2-cycle as well???
Sounds like Daewoo.
they make cars, trucks, TV's and machine guns.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 29, 2010, 11:23:01 AM
Jesus, this company makes:
1. Motobikes
2. Chainsaws
3. Sewing Machines?
are the sewing machines 2-cycle as well???
Sounds like Daewoo.
they make cars, trucks, TV's and machine guns.
Yep!! Top stuff in all markets too.
Quote from: akmnstr on July 29, 2010, 11:42:05 AM
Yep!! Top stuff in all markets too.
That's some funny shit.
I'd love to look at their balance sheet and see what their margins are.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 29, 2010, 11:55:18 AM
That's some funny shit.
I'd love to look at their balance sheet and see what their margins are.
The sewing machines are ridiculous priced, no idea on margin. "Basic" models around $800, and go way up from there - like $3000 I think pretty easy.
mitt
Quote from: mitt on July 29, 2010, 12:14:35 PM
The sewing machines are ridiculous priced, no idea on margin. "Basic" models around $800, and go way up from there - like $3000 I think pretty easy.
mitt
Are they 2-cycle engines?
for 3k it better be...........with some sort of nice exhaust/muffler system to pipe it outside
Quote from: akmnstr on July 29, 2010, 08:43:00 AM
You wouldn't believe how much time is spent discussing and arguing about what is the best saw by those who work in the woods. It is by far the favorite topic followed by similar discussions on what brand of boots you wear.
Nicks of course...
there really isn't any other boot 8)
Quote from: herm on July 29, 2010, 12:18:26 PM
Nicks of course...
there really isn't any other boot 8)
come on herm, get with the program:
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=41116.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=41116.0)
We've got a thread for practically anything now
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 29, 2010, 12:20:10 PM
come on herm, get with the program:
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=41116.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=41116.0)
We've got a thread for practically anything now
I love this direction the DMF is taking. All this manly stuff. Chain saws, boots, guns, survival and pissing matches. Damn, a place where a man can be a man and belch and fart out loud.
Quote from: akmnstr on July 29, 2010, 12:45:05 PM
I love this direction the DMF is taking. All this manly stuff. Chain saws, boots, guns, survival and pissing matches. Damn, a place where a man can be a man and belch and fart out loud.
Pretty much everything that goes with gearheads......
except I don't own a chainsaw or work boots :-X
Theres also talk of cooking and cleaning to balance it out.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 29, 2010, 12:47:38 PM
Pretty much everything that goes with gearheads......
except I don't own a chainsaw or work boots :-X
this is easy to remedy...
if you're a manly man [evil]
Quote from: herm on July 29, 2010, 01:15:09 PM
this is easy to remedy...
if you're a manly man [evil]
I'd love to stop by roush hardware (Local Do-It store) and buy myself a Stihl chainsaw tomorrow
but honestly...........I could only start it up and rev it around and scare small children at the condo pool.
I already scare the old people with my Ducati's and KLR (make the beast with two backs that two brother's pipe is loud), the chainsaw really might off one of them.
However........I have put in several requests to cut down the dead pine tree behind my condo and one in the "common area" on the side (I live on the end unit).
I suppose I could do it myself..........
but as I mentioned earlier.........I hate cutting pine.....especially when it is 90 degrees.
The sap is just awful to clean off the saw.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 29, 2010, 11:23:01 AM
Jesus, this company makes:
1. Motobikes
2. Chainsaws
3. Sewing Machines?
are the sewing machines 2-cycle as well???
Sounds like Daewoo.
they make cars, trucks, TV's and machine guns.
Owned by Electrolux
IBM used to make rifles/machine guns.
Quote from: rgramjet on July 29, 2010, 07:48:25 PM
IBM used to make rifles/machine guns.
the ultimate international business machines?
Quote from: akmnstr on July 29, 2010, 12:45:05 PM
I love this direction the DMF is taking. All this manly stuff. Chain saws, boots, guns, survival and pissing matches. Damn, a place where a man can be a man and belch and fart out loud.
doesn't matter unless we can light the farts too
What is the point of the leather "chaps" loggers/tree-taker-downers wear?
I've heard conflicting stories of use, but the one to make the most sense was if the chain broke and kicked back, it would coil itself up in the leather instead of into your skin.
The worst was it would stop the chain from penetrating the leather and cutting you.
Never handled a pair, but if the latter is true, that must be some thick ass leather.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 30, 2010, 04:06:58 AM
What is the point of the leather "chaps" loggers/tree-taker-downers wear?
when you go to the bar later, you look tough in your assless chaps and biker hat.
Quote from: ducatiz on July 30, 2010, 04:08:40 AM
when you go to the bar later, you look tough in your assless chaps and biker hat.
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 30, 2010, 04:06:58 AM
What is the point of the leather "chaps" loggers/tree-taker-downers wear?
I've heard conflicting stories of use, but the one to make the most sense was if the chain broke and kicked back, it would coil itself up in the leather instead of into your skin.
The worst was it would stop the chain from penetrating the leather and cutting you.
Never handled a pair, but if the latter is true, that must be some thick ass leather.
I have Kevlar chaps. They, in theory, will stop the chain before it will cut your leg. I am not about to test that theory. When I worked for the Forest Service, I saw many a pair of chaps with partial saw cuts.
Quote from: akmnstr on July 30, 2010, 04:23:17 AM
I have Kevlar chaps. They, in theory, will stop the chain before it will cut your leg. I am not about to test that theory. When I worked for the Forest Service, I saw many a pair of chaps with partial saw cuts.
I could totally see Kevlar doing that, just a hard time with believe leather could, but as you said.........I don't want to test it either, but I am sure someone has and it wasn't pleasant or they did as advertised.
I figured they also were for just general extra protection if you whack the saw against your leg, brush, etc etc.
they are in fact made of ballistic nylon and kevlar (never seen a leather pair myself)
they provide several layers of protection
1) outer ballistic nylon layer - abrasion resistance (wear and tear, not saw) and holding all the kevlar in.
2) inner layer of woven Kevlar - slows down the chain speed
3) middle layer of thick, loose Kevlar thread - gets pulled into the say and binds op the clutch (works instantly)
they work, as long as they are in good repair, and have not stopped too many spinning chains. you can actually repair them in a pinch, but its better to replace them once a bunch of the Kevlar thread has been pulled out.
fun fact- most cuts on saw chaps (in wildland firefighting) are on the left leg, and above the knee. anyone want to make a guess as to why this is?
Quote from: herm on July 30, 2010, 05:16:53 AM
they are in fact made of ballistic nylon and kevlar (never seen a leather pair myself)
they provide several layers of protection
1) outer ballistic nylon layer - abrasion resistance (wear and tear, not saw) and holding all the kevlar in.
2) inner layer of woven Kevlar - slows down the chain speed
3) middle layer of thick, loose Kevlar thread - gets pulled into the say and binds op the clutch (works instantly)
they work, as long as they are in good repair, and have not stopped too many spinning chains. you can actually repair them in a pinch, but its better to replace them once a bunch of the Kevlar thread has been pulled out.
fun fact- most cuts on saw chaps (in wildland firefighting) are on the left leg, and above the knee. anyone want to make a guess as to why this is?
Wow, sort of like a flak vest that LEO's wear. Obviously the construction is different, but same layer of protection
shot in the dark to your question:
possibly the individual doing the cutting is kneeling down on their left knee, standing up on the right, and cutting in a downward left position?
that way if you have to get out of dodge quickly, your strong leg is up and you can make a faster exit?
Quote from: herm on July 30, 2010, 05:16:53 AM
fun fact- most cuts on saw chaps (in wildland firefighting) are on the left leg, and above the knee. anyone want to make a guess as to why this is?
Firefighters kneeling down on their right knee and resting the saw on their left before the chain stops spinning completely?
Quote from: Triple J on July 30, 2010, 06:13:21 AM
Firfighters kneeling down on their right knee and resting the saw on their left before the chain stops spinning completely?
Good thinking on that one, never thought about that.
Cyrus you could rent space, buy a saw, and do this:
http://www.chainsawchick.com/ (http://www.chainsawchick.com/)
Quote from: Little Monkey Toes on July 30, 2010, 06:38:43 AM
Cyrus you could rent space, buy a saw, and do this:
http://www.chainsawchick.com/ (http://www.chainsawchick.com/)
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
You've been around long enough to see my Artwerk
That is some cool stuff, though!
Quote from: herm on July 30, 2010, 05:16:53 AM
they are in fact made of ballistic nylon and kevlar (never seen a leather pair myself)
fun fact- most cuts on saw chaps (in wildland firefighting) are on the left leg, and above the knee. anyone want to make a guess as to why this is?
Carrying a running chainsaw and something coming in contact with the throttle while walking?
mitt
Quote from: herm on July 30, 2010, 05:16:53 AM
fun fact- most cuts on saw chaps (in wildland firefighting) are on the left leg, and above the knee. anyone want to make a guess as to why this is?
Squirrels?
(http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/8000/Squirrel--8244.jpg)
all possible, but the reason is that saws are "supposedly" designed to be operated with the right hand on the rear handle (trigger), and left hand on the front handle.
without going into why that is, or who says so....the result is that sawyers who have been cutting saw line for 12 hours or more have a tendency to rest the bar/chain across the left thigh as the get tired. thats why you see so many little nicks on the left thigh. its mostly just resting teeth nicking the chaps. sometimes, really tired (weak) and inexperienced sawyers will lay the saw on the chaps before the chain has come to rest...which is considered really poor form.
2nd fun fact - if you DO cut into your chaps, and wad the clutch up with Kevlar thread, you need to stop and clean it out, as the stuff will not be kind to the saw, even if you can get it spinning again.
Back from the dead. Ok, finally bought a house here in the great country of Texas. Now I need your wisdom to finish my manhoodlyness... recommend a chain saw and push mower.
Quote from: cokey on July 04, 2016, 12:47:31 PM
Vack from dead. Ok, finally bought a house here in the great country of Texas. Now I need your wisdom to finish my manhoodlyness... recommend a chain saw and push mower. ðŸ˜'
Are you looking for a brand recommendation, or a how much saw do I need kinda thing?
Quote from: cokey on July 04, 2016, 12:47:31 PM
Vack from dead. Ok, finally bought a house here in the great country of Texas. Now I need your wisdom to finish my manhoodlyness... recommend a chain saw and push mower. ðŸ˜'
what will you be cutting with the saw? If mostly brush, then it's a toss up. But if you are going to be cutting anything thick, get a Stihl. I recommend the MS361 with a 16" bar.
Agree on stihl. Very well made saws. Easy to use and maintain.
And a Honda push mower. I've had the same one since 1996, and it WILL NOT DIE..
Quote from: herm on July 04, 2016, 04:48:02 PM
what will you be cutting with the saw? If mostly brush, then it's a toss up. But if you are going to be cutting anything thick, get a Stihl. I recommend the MS361 with a 16" bar.
^ This.
For sure.
Stihl, Jonsereds, Husqvarna...
They'll all do what you need.
Stay away from the box store brands.
I'd recommend buying from a local guy that has a reputation for fixing what he sells.
Another vote for Stihl here.....
I've got a Stihl 009 (12" bar I think) that my grandpa bought back in the early '80s, still works like a champ for basic trimming. You'd want something bigger if you're going to be cutting firewood with any regularity.
Quote from: ducpainter on July 05, 2016, 12:25:34 PM
Stihl, Jonsereds, Husqvarna...
They'll all do what you need.
Stay away from the box store brands.
I'd recommend buying from a local guy that has a reputation for fixing what he sells.
Also, stay away from the Stihl Farm Boss, or any huski sold at a box store. They are simply NOT the same quality of saw as the ones from a dedicated dealer (see above)
Got ya. Yeah, I'll look around for a small shop. Ask if anyone around during knows of one. Some basic trimming, but there are some thick branches. I think I need a permit for the whole tree. There's one growing right next to ac unit. Roots are under the concrete slab. Yeah I was thinking of a simple Honda push mower. Big box stores OK for those?
Quote from: cokey on July 05, 2016, 07:29:47 PM
Got ya. Yeah, I'll look around for a small shop. Ask if anyone around during knows of one. Some basic trimming, but there are some thick branches. I think I need a permit for the whole tree. There's one growing right next to ac unit. Roots are under the concrete slab. Yeah I was thinking of a simple Honda push mower. Big box stores OK for those?
I bought mine at Home Depot in Colorado in 1996, and its pushing strong! I finally changed the oil last spring...
Quote from: herm on July 05, 2016, 07:49:49 PM
I bought mine at Home Depot in Colorado in 1996, and its pushing strong! I finally changed the oil last spring...
to be fair, it was running a little rough the last few years. I changed the spark plug and air filter too..
Quote from: cokey on July 05, 2016, 07:29:47 PM
Yeah I was thinking of a simple Honda push mower. Big box stores OK for those?
I bought my push mower at HD (Yard Machines 20" with a 5HP Briggs & Stratton) two years ago. Only thing I've had to do is have the blade sharpened and drain the fuel tank when it got left out in the rain (but started right up with fresh gas).
I got this. Works great. The rear wheel drive takes nearly all the work out of mowing.
https://www.google.com/shopping/product/1755459831390048082?lsf=seller:8740,store:17030424266850706624&prds=oid:5878461240300511108&q=honda+mower+home+depot&hl=en&ei=UyGNV_8uz5CPA9r-gRg&lsft=cm_mmc:Shopping-_-LIAs-_-D28I-_-203709643&lsft=gclid:CjwKEAjw_LG8BRDb1JTxm8uP_UwSJADu_8pWnPw8FRRa1JkK5gfMy5aN6e_My6RtMYOP_iyoTCJOWhoCNtHw_wcB (https://www.google.com/shopping/product/1755459831390048082?lsf=seller:8740,store:17030424266850706624&prds=oid:5878461240300511108&q=honda+mower+home+depot&hl=en&ei=UyGNV_8uz5CPA9r-gRg&lsft=cm_mmc:Shopping-_-LIAs-_-D28I-_-203709643&lsft=gclid:CjwKEAjw_LG8BRDb1JTxm8uP_UwSJADu_8pWnPw8FRRa1JkK5gfMy5aN6e_My6RtMYOP_iyoTCJOWhoCNtHw_wcB)
As far as saws go. I had a good go with one of these.
http://www.husqvarna.com/us/products/chainsaws/365/966428605/ (http://www.husqvarna.com/us/products/chainsaws/365/966428605/) It dripped oil from around the oil cap so I would stow it on it's side. Otherwise I cut a lot of wood with that. But if you are doing mostly brushing, get something much smaller, maybe around 60cc otherwise you will just wear yourself out trying to use a big saw for little stuff.