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I have something I acquired recently that I am considering selling. I didn't pay anything for it because the previous owner no longer wanted it or had a use for it. He listed it up for free on another forum and no one else took it, so I did. When I picked it up I offered my services if he ever needed anything in return.

I thought I may use it but I changed my mind. Is it wrong if I want to sell it rather than just give it away?

I believe in paying it forward and I have done my share and have given away parts to other members who needed things. Additionally I have helped a few local members with service/mods on their bikes and never asked for any payment.

Should I be chastised because I don't give something away?

well...depends on the item and the audience whom might be interested and if you think he might ever take you up on your services offer...maybe just ask for something ridiculously tokenly low so you feel you have covered your time of retrieval and storing it to make both sides of you feel better in this regard and make it justifiable in your mind that way.

Your call I guess. If I obtained it for free and someone "needed" it, I would give it away.

Um-he didn't want it anymore-you provided a service by helping him clean up his house.



I would sell it for all I could get for it. You have to do what's right for you.




I would sell it in the same position, because no one else is, save for the wife, paying the bills around here.

Quote from: kopfjäger on August 25, 2010, 10:44:34 AM
Your call I guess. If I obtained it for free and someone "needed" it, I would give it away.

Thanks guys.  [thumbsup]

It's definitely not a "need" part like a starter or something similar. I would consider it a mod or a convenience peice. If it was something that would help someone get their bike back to running condition I would certainly offered it up to someone who may have needed it.

I was asking for slightly over half the value of the part. I was anticipating having to take less for it and I was ok with that. It probably would have sold for about half the retail value and I thought someone would have been thrilled to get a great deal on it.

I think that since you're asking, you have already answered your own question.

Personally I would sell it, if I could, and send some of the profit back to the original owner. (on a good day)





WAIT..... if it was TOB, sell it and keep it all to yourself [evil]

Quote from: stopintime on August 25, 2010, 10:54:19 AM
I think that since you're asking, you have already answered your own question.

Personally I would sell it, if I could, and send some of the profit back to the original owner. (on a good day)

WAIT..... if it was TOB, sell it and keep it all to yourself [evil]

Lol. It wasn't TOB.

I asked because I was questioning my decision to sell it because another member shit in my for sale thread and basically called me a douch bag for doing it. I find it's sometimes better to get others opinions becasue they can look at it from an unbiased position. Obviously, if I feel one way or the other, thats my view on it. I know I'm not always right so asking for others to weigh in lets me see it from another angle other than my own.

I personally wouldn't feel good about selling something that I'd been given for free. If I did sell such an item, i'd definitely split the proceeds 50/50 with the original owner. Good luck whichever way you go, Tom  [thumbsup]

do whatever the make the beast with two backs you want with it dude.

It would be different if a close friend of yours really needed it and you got it for free and you tried to sell it to him. That would be kinda messed up if you could help a friend out and you didnt need to do anything but just pay it foward. Everyone else can suck it unless you just feel like giving it away. which is what that person did to you.

I understand how you feel and feeling that way shows that you're a good person and have good ethics. If you had originally gotten the item for nothing with the full intent to try and sell it for as much as you could get but put on the guise of needing the item then I might question your ethics. If you really wanna know if it's alright to sell it, ask the guy that gave it to you. I doubt he'd say, "I want it back if you're not gonna use it."

But as some have said, once the the original owner parted with the item it became yours and you can do whatever you want with your own stuff.

Quote from: He Man on August 25, 2010, 12:02:13 PM
do whatever the make the beast with two backs you want with it dude.

Pretty much this. But mostly because your question is bullshit. This is not an ethical question. You don't get to lace two posts with "hey I a really nice and decent and fair guy and this one little thing doesn't matter because I'm nice and fair and good" and then pretend that you want anything other than for people to asuage this little pang of guilt you feel while you collect a few bucks. And I'm not saying that you aren't a decent and fair guy. You probably are. I'm saying that stating the question this way is bullshit, leading and does not invite an honest answer.

But that may be because this really isn't an ethics question at all. This is a matter of your conscience. Two different things. You don't want a logical argument as to why your actions are good or bad, you just feel a little guilt and you want to be told its okay. Nothing wrong with that. Do what you want and choose to feel how you want to feel about it.

Without breaking out the Logic 101 lingo I'll give you the Ethicist's answer: The actual question you are asking (and source of your guilt pangs) is, "Am I ripping off the guy that gave me the part?" Had you begged him to give you the part and told him you needed it desperately just so you could turn around and sell it, the answer would be clear: You were deceitful and that is wrong. But that's not the case here. There is no deduction that gives a clear cut "this is right" or "this is wrong." So the only person that can answer the question, "Am I ripping this guy off?" is that guy! Not strangers unconnected to the situation who you've presented the argument to in the best possible. Not strangers on another board who are calling you names. So why not just email the dude that gave you the part and say, "Hey it turns out I don't need that part you gave me so I'm gonna put it up for sale." No asking permission, no offering a cut, just an honest statement about your intent. That is the ethicist's answer.

But you won't do that, will you? I would be fascinated to hear an honest answer as to why not.

sac

Quote from: SacDuc on August 25, 2010, 02:28:25 PM
Pretty much this. But mostly because your question is bullshit. This is not an ethical question. You don't get to lace two posts with "hey I a really nice and decent and fair guy and this one little thing doesn't matter because I'm nice and fair and good" and then pretend that you want anything other than for people to asuage this little pang of guilt you feel while you collect a few bucks. And I'm not saying that you aren't a decent and fair guy. You probably are. I'm saying that stating the question this way is bullshit, leading and does not invite an honest answer.

But that may be because this really isn't an ethics question at all. This is a matter of your conscience. Two different things. You don't want a logical argument as to why your actions are good or bad, you just feel a little guilt and you want to be told its okay. Nothing wrong with that. Do what you want and choose to feel how you want to feel about it.

Without breaking out the Logic 101 lingo I'll give you the Ethicist's answer: The actual question you are asking (and source of your guilt pangs) is, "Am I ripping off the guy that gave me the part?" Had you begged him to give you the part and told him you needed it desperately just so you could turn around and sell it, the answer would be clear: You were deceitful and that is wrong. But that's not the case here. There is no deduction that gives a clear cut "this is right" or "this is wrong." So the only person that can answer the question, "Am I ripping this guy off?" is that guy! Not strangers unconnected to the situation who you've presented the argument to in the best possible. Not strangers on another board who are calling you names. So why not just email the dude that gave you the part and say, "Hey it turns out I don't need that part you gave me so I'm gonna put it up for sale." No asking permission, no offering a cut, just an honest statement about your intent. That is the ethicist's answer.

But you won't do that, will you? I would be fascinated to hear an honest answer as to why not.

sac

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[wine]

Quote from: stopintime on August 25, 2010, 02:55:50 PM
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[wine]

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you didn't really provide the specifics thus you already know the answer

there are no standards besides what you choose to live by  

Interesting responses. Thanks guys.

In response to Sac's post...

I think you're reading into it a little too much. I don't have any guilt at all. I listed it up for sale and didn't give it a second thought. The problem began when another member here posted in the ad. He said something like "Didn't you just get this for free a little while ago?" and posted a link to the other forum. I was a little miffed so I removed the thread. It is still against the forum rules to shit in a for sale thread right?

As you stated, if I had begged for the part and acted like I really needed it etc. I would feel like a shit bag. But I didn't and I don't.

The truth is this, it was offered for free on another forum. No one else claimed it so I did. I drove an hour to pick it up and when I met with the guy giving it away I asked him why he was giving it away. His answer was simply I don't have a Monster anymore so I can't use it. I offered him some cash and he refused. I offered to buy him and his wife lunch or coffee or whatever they wanted because we met at a location that provided these options. He refused. I then told him if he ever needed anything to please let me know. I know a lot of people in my local area I can get parts/services from on the cheap and offered him my services should he ever need anything.

So do I feel any guilt? Not at all. But as I stated in an earlier post, I look at things from my perspective and because it's MY perspective I don't have another one to go by unless I ask. I don't think you understand what this really is. It's a way to try and better myself. If all of you posted that I was a shitbag for selling something I got for free I would think I needed to re-think how I handle things.

Now please, enlighten me as to why my question is bullshit?

The guy gave you the part, you offered remuneration in the form of cash, lunch, beers, whatever...  he said no.  The part is yours free and clear.

Tell the bag of douche who shit in your thread to make the beast with two backs off and sell the damn part. 

That is all...




[bacon]

Quote from: Junkie of Bacon on August 25, 2010, 04:49:28 PM
Tell the bag of douche who shit in your thread to make the beast with two backs off and sell the damn part. 

That is all...

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Quote from: Junkie of Bacon on August 25, 2010, 04:49:28 PM
The guy gave you the part, you offered remuneration in the form of cash, lunch, beers, whatever...  he said no.  The part is yours free and clear.

Tell the bag of douche who shit in your thread to make the beast with two backs off and sell the damn part. 

That is all...




[bacon]

+1  couldn't have said it better....

Post a link to the thread shitting.

Without getting into a lengthly refutation of Dr Jung's analysis ( :-* ), I'd say the part where you had the opportunity to rip the guy off is now past.  It was an equitable deal - you got a free part, he got the satisfaction of accruing karma or just not having it take up physical or mental space in his life.   That's quid pro quo in my book.  Value does not necessarily mean cash, and if the value of the part to him was the sum of not having it in his garage and some amount of cash, I am sure he would have put a price tag on it.
If there is any ethical dilemma, it is whether you owe the guy something if you work out a cash deal with someone else.  If you really feel strongly about it, offer to split the proceeds with him, but future deals have nothing to do with past deals.  What if you won this in a contest?  Would selling it -even though you didn't exchange money for item- be unethical?  Nope.  Hell nope :)

i need that part. want to give it to me for free?  :-*


(is it something i could use? a clip on tube? sliders? rearsets? i could use some rearsets!!!!)

Quote from: rgramjet on August 25, 2010, 05:55:12 PM
+1  couldn't have said it better....

Post a link to the thread shitting.

+1

I am good at getting banned from forums, so I will surely shit on that guy.

If the item in question had a value, then your friend should have sold it.

If he gave it to you, you have no use for it, sell it.

His fault for not selling it in the first place.

Quote from: He Man on August 26, 2010, 10:55:05 AM
i need that part. want to give it to me for free?  :-*


(is it something i could use? a clip on tube? sliders? rearsets? i could use some rearsets!!!!)

it's a Monstrack rack. It can be used for securing luggage or as a back rest for a passenger. It retails for $329 + shipping. I had it listed for $200 obo + shipping. I'll probably relist it later tonight when I get home and hope xxxx_xxxxx doesn't shit in the thread again. Lol

Out of curiousity, why didn't your friend sell this when it is worth 200$???

sounds like a bad business decision or he doesn't need the 200$

Quote from: cyrus buelton on August 26, 2010, 12:19:27 PM
Out of curiousity, why didn't your friend sell this when it is worth 200$???

sounds like a bad business decision or he doesn't need the 200$

Please read along with the rest of the class.  :D


"The truth is this, it was offered for free on another forum. No one else claimed it so I did. I drove an hour to pick it up and when I met with the guy giving it away I asked him why he was giving it away. His answer was simply I don't have a Monster anymore so I can't use it. I offered him some cash and he refused. I offered to buy him and his wife lunch or coffee or whatever they wanted because we met at a location that provided these options. He refused. I then told him if he ever needed anything to please let me know. I know a lot of people in my local area I can get parts/services from on the cheap and offered him my services should he ever need anything."

Quote from: stopintime on August 25, 2010, 02:55:50 PM
Λίγο πολύ αÏ...Ï,,ÏŒ. Î'λλά σÏ...νήθωÏ, επειδή η ερώÏ,,ησή σαÏ, είναι bullshit. Î'Ï...Ï,,ÏŒ δεν είναι μια ηθική ερώÏ,,ηση. ΕσείÏ, don' Ï,,ο Ï,, παίρνει να δέσει δύο θέσειÏ, με " hey Ι έναÏ, πραγμαÏ,,ικά σÏ...μπαθηÏ,,ικόÏ, και κόσμιοÏ, και δίκαιοÏ, Ï,,ύποÏ, και αÏ...Ï,,ÏŒÏ, λίγο πράγμα doesn' θέμα Ï,, επειδή I' μ σÏ...μπαθηÏ,,ικό και έκθεση και good" και έπειÏ,,α προσποιηθείÏ,,ε ÏŒÏ,,ι θέλεÏ,,ε Ï,,ίποÏ,,α εκÏ,,ÏŒÏ, από για Ï,,οÏ...Ï, ανθρώποÏ...Ï, σÏ,,ο asuage αÏ...Ï,,ή η μικρή πόνοÏ, Ï,,ηÏ, ενοχήÏ, ποÏ... αισθάνεσÏ,,ε ενώ σÏ...λλέγεÏ,,ε μερικά bucks. Και I' μ ποÏ... δεν λέει ÏŒÏ,,ι εσείÏ, aren' Ï,, έναÏ, κόσμιοÏ, και δίκαιοÏ, Ï,,ύποÏ,. ΕίσÏ,,ε πιθανώÏ,. I' μ ποÏ... λέει ÏŒÏ,,ι δηλώνονÏ,,αÏ, Ï,,ην ερώÏ,,ηση αÏ...Ï,,ÏŒÏ, ο Ï,,ρόποÏ, είναι bullshit, οδηγώνÏ,,αÏ, και δεν προσκαλεί μια Ï,,ίμια απάνÏ,,ηση. Î'λλά αÏ...Ï,,ÏŒÏ, μπορεί να είναι επειδή αÏ...Ï,,ÏŒ Ï,,ο πραγμαÏ,,ικά isn' Ï,, μια ερώÏ,,ηση ηθικήÏ, καθόλοÏ.... Î'Ï...Ï,,ÏŒ είναι ένα θέμα σÏ...νείδησήÏ, σαÏ,. Î"ύο διαφορεÏ,,ικά πράγμαÏ,,α. ΕσείÏ, don' Ï,,ο Ï,, θέλει ένα λογικό επιχείρημα ωÏ, προÏ, γιαÏ,,ί οι ενέργειέÏ, σαÏ, είναι καλέÏ, ή κακέÏ,, αισθάνεσÏ,,ε ακριβώÏ, μια λίγη ενοχή και θέλεÏ,,ε να έχεÏ,,ε Ï,,ην Ï...ποχρέωση για ο.κ. Ï,,ηÏ,. ΤίποÏ,,α λανθασμένο με αÏ...Ï,,όν. ΚάνεÏ,,ε Ï,,ι θέλεÏ,,ε και επιλέγεÏ,,ε να αισθανθείÏ,,ε πώÏ, θέλεÏ,,ε να αισθανθείÏ,,ε για Ï,,ο. ΧωρίÏ, Ï,,ην ξεσπώνÏ,,αÏ, λογική 101 lingo I' ll σαÏ, δώσÏ,,ε Ï,,ο Ethicist' απάνÏ,,ηση Ï,,οÏ... s: Η πραγμαÏ,,ική ερώÏ,,ηση εσείÏ, ρωÏ,,ά ÏŒÏ,,ι (και πηγή πόνων ενοχήÏ, σαÏ,) είναι, " Είναι σκίσιμο Ι από Ï,,ον Ï,,ύπο ποÏ... έδωσα Ï,,ο μέροÏ,; " ΣαÏ, ικεÏ,,εύσαÏ,,ε Ï,,ον για να δώσεÏ,,ε Ï,,ο μέροÏ, και Ï,,ον είπαÏ,,ε εσείÏ, Ï,,ο χρειασÏ,,ήκαÏ,,ε απελπισμένα ακριβώÏ, έÏ,,σι θα μπορούσαÏ,,ε να Ï,,ο γÏ...ρίσεÏ,,ε γύρω και να πωλήσεÏ,,ε, η απάνÏ,,ηση θα ήÏ,,αν σαφήÏ,: ΉσασÏ,,ε deceitful και αÏ...Ï,,ÏŒÏ, κάνει λάθοÏ,. Î'λλά that' s όχι η περίπÏ,,ωση εδώ. Î"εν Ï...πάρχει καμία αφαίρεση ποÏ... δίνει ένα εÏ...διάκριÏ,,ο " αÏ...Ï,,ÏŒ είναι right" ή " αÏ...Ï,,ÏŒ είναι wrong." ΈÏ,,σι Ï,,ο μόνο πρόσωπο ποÏ... μπορεί να απανÏ,,ήσει σÏ,,ην ερώÏ,,ηση, " Είναι Ï,,ο Ι ποÏ... σχίζει αÏ...Ï,,όν Ï,,ον Ï,,ύπο μακριά; " είναι εκείνοÏ, ο Ï,,ύποÏ,! Όχι οι ξένοι ηποσύνδεσαν σÏ,,ην καÏ,,άσÏ,,αση ποÏ... you' Ï,,ο VE παροÏ...σίασε Ï,,ο επιχείρημα σÏ,,ον καλύÏ,,ερο δÏ...ναÏ,,ÏŒ. Όχι ξένοι σε έναν άλλο πίνακα ποÏ... σαÏ, καλούν ονόμαÏ,,α. ΈÏ,,σι γιαÏ,,ί όχι μόνο ηλεκÏ,,ρονικό Ï,,αχÏ...δρομείο dude ποÏ... σαÏ, έδωσε Ï,,ο μέροÏ, και λέει, " Το Hey αÏ...Ï,,ÏŒ βγάζει Ï,,ο Ι don' η ανάγκη Ï,, ποÏ... χωρίζει εσείÏ, μοÏ... έδωσε έÏ,,σι I' Ï,,ο μ Ï,,ο έβαλε θα επάνω για sale." Καμία άδεια ερώÏ,,ησηÏ,, καμία προσφορά μια περικοπή, ακριβώÏ, μια Ï,,ίμια δήλωση για Ï,,ην πρόθεσή σαÏ,. Î'Ï...Ï,,ÏŒ είναι Ï,,ο ethicist' απάνÏ,,ηση Ï,,οÏ... s. Î'λλά εσείÏ, won' Ï,,ο Ï,, αÏ...Ï,,ÏŒ, εσείÏ,; Θα σÏ...ναρπαζόμοÏ...ν για να ακούσω μια Ï,,ίμια απάνÏ,,ηση ωÏ, προÏ, γιαÏ,,ί όχι. σάκοÏ,

[wine]

Rarely do the humorless make the beast with two backss on this site make me laugh. You, sir, had me laughing out loud. Well played.

sac

Quote from: kopfjäger on August 26, 2010, 12:22:01 PM
Please read along with the rest of the class.  :D


"The truth is this, it was offered for free on another forum. No one else claimed it so I did. I drove an hour to pick it up and when I met with the guy giving it away I asked him why he was giving it away. His answer was simply I don't have a Monster anymore so I can't use it. I offered him some cash and he refused. I offered to buy him and his wife lunch or coffee or whatever they wanted because we met at a location that provided these options. He refused. I then told him if he ever needed anything to please let me know. I know a lot of people in my local area I can get parts/services from on the cheap and offered him my services should he ever need anything."

Which is why the question is bullshit. It is not a question of ethics at all. Mr. Bacon said everything that needed to be said. Everything else is just patting the OP on the back telling him he did just fine and to ignore that big meanie on the other board. No ethical dilemma whatsoever.

sac

Quote from: kopfjäger on August 26, 2010, 12:22:01 PM
Please read along with the rest of the class.  :D

I don't know how to  :D

I know Tom and he is a douche bag.  [cheeky]


Actually Tom is a great guy and has helped me and others without asking anything in return.

  I love how others judge people without really knowing the person.

Life is to short to go around pissing on each other.

Charlie

Quote from: Monstermash on August 26, 2010, 12:17:04 PM
it's a Monstrack rack. It can be used for securing luggage or as a back rest for a passenger. It retails for $329 + shipping. I had it listed for $200 obo + shipping. I'll probably relist it later tonight when I get home and hope xxxx_xxxxx doesn't shit in the thread again. Lol

actually i DO need that. I wanted to take my girl camping on my bike, I was going to buy a $30 pad and shave my passenger seat down and get a ventura rack so its high enough to hold 2 sleeping bags, a small tent, spare clothes and some food and give her room to rest her back on. My friend has the ventura rack, but its for DSS monster so i cant mount it due to my exhaust.... ive been looking at one on ducati.ms for a Multistrada but it just wont fit.. aside from that i have a tail chop to, so ive been thinking about making my own.

But i cant afford the ventura rack set up at over $300.....

PM me, im serious about buying it off you if it fits my bill....and maybe you want to help a brother out!!!

compensation for the guy you got it from is a non issue if you offered to pay originally, but he gave it away.

as far as "pay it forward".....only you can decide how/if you are going to live to that standard. each of us are different.

Quote from: stopintime on August 25, 2010, 02:55:50 PM
Λίγο πολύ αÏ...Ï,,ÏŒ. Î'λλά σÏ...νήθωÏ, επειδή η ερώÏ,,ησή σαÏ, είναι bullshit. Î'Ï...Ï,,ÏŒ δεν είναι μια ηθική ερώÏ,,ηση. ΕσείÏ, don' Ï,,ο Ï,, παίρνει να δέσει δύο θέσειÏ, με " hey Ι έναÏ, πραγμαÏ,,ικά σÏ...μπαθηÏ,,ικόÏ, και κόσμιοÏ, και δίκαιοÏ, Ï,,ύποÏ, και αÏ...Ï,,ÏŒÏ, λίγο πράγμα doesn' θέμα Ï,, επειδή I' μ σÏ...μπαθηÏ,,ικό και έκθεση και good" και έπειÏ,,α προσποιηθείÏ,,ε ÏŒÏ,,ι θέλεÏ,,ε Ï,,ίποÏ,,α εκÏ,,ÏŒÏ, από για Ï,,οÏ...Ï, ανθρώποÏ...Ï, σÏ,,ο asuage αÏ...Ï,,ή η μικρή πόνοÏ, Ï,,ηÏ, ενοχήÏ, ποÏ... αισθάνεσÏ,,ε ενώ σÏ...λλέγεÏ,,ε μερικά bucks. Και I' μ ποÏ... δεν λέει ÏŒÏ,,ι εσείÏ, aren' Ï,, έναÏ, κόσμιοÏ, και δίκαιοÏ, Ï,,ύποÏ,. ΕίσÏ,,ε πιθανώÏ,. I' μ ποÏ... λέει ÏŒÏ,,ι δηλώνονÏ,,αÏ, Ï,,ην ερώÏ,,ηση αÏ...Ï,,ÏŒÏ, ο Ï,,ρόποÏ, είναι bullshit, οδηγώνÏ,,αÏ, και δεν προσκαλεί μια Ï,,ίμια απάνÏ,,ηση. Î'λλά αÏ...Ï,,ÏŒÏ, μπορεί να είναι επειδή αÏ...Ï,,ÏŒ Ï,,ο πραγμαÏ,,ικά isn' Ï,, μια ερώÏ,,ηση ηθικήÏ, καθόλοÏ.... Î'Ï...Ï,,ÏŒ είναι ένα θέμα σÏ...νείδησήÏ, σαÏ,. Î"ύο διαφορεÏ,,ικά πράγμαÏ,,α. ΕσείÏ, don' Ï,,ο Ï,, θέλει ένα λογικό επιχείρημα ωÏ, προÏ, γιαÏ,,ί οι ενέργειέÏ, σαÏ, είναι καλέÏ, ή κακέÏ,, αισθάνεσÏ,,ε ακριβώÏ, μια λίγη ενοχή και θέλεÏ,,ε να έχεÏ,,ε Ï,,ην Ï...ποχρέωση για ο.κ. Ï,,ηÏ,. ΤίποÏ,,α λανθασμένο με αÏ...Ï,,όν. ΚάνεÏ,,ε Ï,,ι θέλεÏ,,ε και επιλέγεÏ,,ε να αισθανθείÏ,,ε πώÏ, θέλεÏ,,ε να αισθανθείÏ,,ε για Ï,,ο. ΧωρίÏ, Ï,,ην ξεσπώνÏ,,αÏ, λογική 101 lingo I' ll σαÏ, δώσÏ,,ε Ï,,ο Ethicist' απάνÏ,,ηση Ï,,οÏ... s: Η πραγμαÏ,,ική ερώÏ,,ηση εσείÏ, ρωÏ,,ά ÏŒÏ,,ι (και πηγή πόνων ενοχήÏ, σαÏ,) είναι, " Είναι σκίσιμο Ι από Ï,,ον Ï,,ύπο ποÏ... έδωσα Ï,,ο μέροÏ,; " ΣαÏ, ικεÏ,,εύσαÏ,,ε Ï,,ον για να δώσεÏ,,ε Ï,,ο μέροÏ, και Ï,,ον είπαÏ,,ε εσείÏ, Ï,,ο χρειασÏ,,ήκαÏ,,ε απελπισμένα ακριβώÏ, έÏ,,σι θα μπορούσαÏ,,ε να Ï,,ο γÏ...ρίσεÏ,,ε γύρω και να πωλήσεÏ,,ε, η απάνÏ,,ηση θα ήÏ,,αν σαφήÏ,: ΉσασÏ,,ε deceitful και αÏ...Ï,,ÏŒÏ, κάνει λάθοÏ,. Î'λλά that' s όχι η περίπÏ,,ωση εδώ. Î"εν Ï...πάρχει καμία αφαίρεση ποÏ... δίνει ένα εÏ...διάκριÏ,,ο " αÏ...Ï,,ÏŒ είναι right" ή " αÏ...Ï,,ÏŒ είναι wrong." ΈÏ,,σι Ï,,ο μόνο πρόσωπο ποÏ... μπορεί να απανÏ,,ήσει σÏ,,ην ερώÏ,,ηση, " Είναι Ï,,ο Ι ποÏ... σχίζει αÏ...Ï,,όν Ï,,ον Ï,,ύπο μακριά; " είναι εκείνοÏ, ο Ï,,ύποÏ,! Όχι οι ξένοι ηποσύνδεσαν σÏ,,ην καÏ,,άσÏ,,αση ποÏ... you' Ï,,ο VE παροÏ...σίασε Ï,,ο επιχείρημα σÏ,,ον καλύÏ,,ερο δÏ...ναÏ,,ÏŒ. Όχι ξένοι σε έναν άλλο πίνακα ποÏ... σαÏ, καλούν ονόμαÏ,,α. ΈÏ,,σι γιαÏ,,ί όχι μόνο ηλεκÏ,,ρονικό Ï,,αχÏ...δρομείο dude ποÏ... σαÏ, έδωσε Ï,,ο μέροÏ, και λέει, " Το Hey αÏ...Ï,,ÏŒ βγάζει Ï,,ο Ι don' η ανάγκη Ï,, ποÏ... χωρίζει εσείÏ, μοÏ... έδωσε έÏ,,σι I' Ï,,ο μ Ï,,ο έβαλε θα επάνω για sale." Καμία άδεια ερώÏ,,ησηÏ,, καμία προσφορά μια περικοπή, ακριβώÏ, μια Ï,,ίμια δήλωση για Ï,,ην πρόθεσή σαÏ,. Î'Ï...Ï,,ÏŒ είναι Ï,,ο ethicist' απάνÏ,,ηση Ï,,οÏ... s. Î'λλά εσείÏ, won' Ï,,ο Ï,, αÏ...Ï,,ÏŒ, εσείÏ,; Θα σÏ...ναρπαζόμοÏ...ν για να ακούσω μια Ï,,ίμια απάνÏ,,ηση ωÏ, προÏ, γιαÏ,,ί όχι. σάκοÏ,

[wine]

I agree wholeheartedly Lars.

Dolph     :)

Quote from: SacDuc on August 26, 2010, 12:32:57 PM

Rarely do the humorless make the beast with two backss on this site make me laugh. You, sir, had me laughing out loud. Well played.

sac

So since we're humorless make the beast with two backss...

why don't you go start your own forum and spare me your backyard diagnoses?

Keyboard shrinks... [roll]

i was on the other board today and saw a thread.. and i was like... no wonder people moved to DMF... then i read this... and i'm perplexed

Quote from: Raux on August 27, 2010, 01:33:27 AM
i was on the other board today and saw a thread.. and i was like... no wonder people moved to DMF... then i read this... and i'm perplexed

It is kind of odd.

Quote from: humorless make the beast with two backs on August 27, 2010, 01:36:51 AM
It is kind of odd.

Oh man,, completely loving the name change!

yeah...

I'm no fun at all. [thumbsup]

Quote from: Raux on August 27, 2010, 01:37:52 AM
Oh man,, completely loving the name change!

+1  [laugh]

Sac called it...   [laugh]

Quote from: humorless make the beast with two backs on August 27, 2010, 01:39:15 AM
yeah...

I'm no fun at all. [thumbsup]

what?...are you saying you are a curmugeon or a stick in the mud?

Well said Nate. Some of the things Sac says I don't agree with. .... I'm not going to say I dislike him because I've never met him. But I am leaning to one side. 

Quote from: Charlief on August 27, 2010, 04:45:23 AM
Well said Nate. Some of the things Sac says I don't agree with. .... I'm not going to say I dislike him because I've never met him. But I am leaning to one side. 

Think sarcasm with a smile...

Don't take shit too seriously...

Quote from: Junkie of Bacon on August 27, 2010, 05:38:58 AM
Think sarcasm with a smile...

Don't take shit too seriously...

I am very serious everytime I take a shit!

Quote from: cyrus buelton on August 26, 2010, 12:11:06 PM
+1

I am good at getting banned from forums, so I will surely shit on that guy.

Thanks Cyrus,

Maybe I wasn't clear but the shitting happened on THIS forum and I don't think you want to get banned from here do you? I just removed the for sale thread to avoid having to have a pissing match with him. I actually like having you around. Although we may not always agree I do appreciate your input here and as much as I think he deserves it I have purposely left his name out of it.
I do find it humorous that he hasn't posted in this thread though. If he thought it was so wrong of me to try and sell it after I received it for free and felt the need to shit in my thread, why hasn't he posted here to defend his position?  [roll]

Here's the answer,

Sell it to He Man for $400 so he can send it to Nate to be painted and then he can sell it to someone else for $500 and take the profits to buy Sac a bag of weed so he can chill the make the beast with two backs out.

Everyone wins  ;D

Quote from: zooom on August 27, 2010, 06:29:53 AM
I am very serious everytime I take a shit!

;D

Quote from: humorless make the beast with two backs on August 27, 2010, 01:14:42 AM
So since we're humorless make the beast with two backss...

why don't you go start your own forum and spare me your backyard diagnoses?

Keyboard shrinks... [roll]

1) I didn't really have you in mind when I wrote that.
2) I was just acknowledging a rare and very well placed and well deserved kick to my balls. Truly funny that one was.
3) I thought you promised to stop talking to me. One can dream.

sac

Quote from: SacDuc on August 27, 2010, 08:47:47 AM

............
2) I was just acknowledging a rare and very well placed and well deserved kick to my balls. Truly funny that one was.
............

sac

I didn't mean to kick your balls - I'm happy you were able to laugh, which was my intention, rather than be offended. ;)

sell it and use the proceeds to stimulate the economy.  that way, we all win. 

oh, and then say 3 hail mary's and 2 our father's.

Quote from: SacDuc on August 27, 2010, 08:47:47 AM

1) I didn't really have you in mind when I wrote that.
2) I was just acknowledging a rare and very well placed and well deserved kick to my balls. Truly funny that one was.
3) I thought you promised to stop talking to me. One can dream.

sac

It's a community...remember.

I thought the kick was  was excellent. I didn't appreciate your characterization of our membership.

I promised to stop pming you with things you didn't want to hear or didn't appreciate because you think I don't like you. I've met you and liked you in person. You are actually funny at times.

Whenever  I tire of your bilious outlook on life and the way you talk to people here, however, I'll feel free to let you know.

Quote from: humorless on August 27, 2010, 12:59:09 PM
Whenever  I tire of your bilious outlook on life and the way you talk to people here, however, I'll feel free to let you know.

For any of you that are as dumb as I am.  :D

bilious: of or indicative of a peevish ill-natured disposition

Quote from: kopfjäger on August 27, 2010, 01:07:02 PM

For any of you that are as dumb as I am.  :D

bilious: of or indicative of a peevish ill-natured disposition

bile does tend to make one feel unpleasant

Quote from: lethe on August 27, 2010, 01:08:00 PM
bile does tend to make one feel unpleasant

it does leave you with a rather "not so fresh" feeling!

Quote from: zooom on August 28, 2010, 02:50:49 AM
it does leave you with a rather "not so fresh" feeling!

umm... There's a thread for that.   ;)

http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=42033.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=42033.0)

[evil]



[bacon]

I was just directed to this thread when I pm'd Mash to call him a douche bag.  I never would have seen this thread to comment on it otherwise.  Anyways...If you feel guilty or worry about looking unethical, why not just post in the classified ad that "Hey I snagged this baby for free, but I think I can fleece someone for $165 profit" ?   I told Mash in my PM this is not the first time I've seen him using the Ducati Monster Forum in order to turn a personal profit.  Perhaps he should contact the mods about getting set up on the "Minor Sponsor Board".  

Just a little background here...I pm'd the person that GAVE the backrest to Mash, The guy wanted to give it away locally so he did not have to set up a paypal account just to get paid for the cost of shipping the item. The guy even ended his classified ad with "Pay it Forward".  I pm'd the guy and told him I was interested, but would be willing to wait a week or so to see if he could give it to someone that could USE IT locally, but I'd pay for shipping if he did not.  Long story short, Mash got it and now it'll cost me $165 to get it.  NO THANKS!

I guess when it comes right down to it,  you can do whatever you'd like with the item, actually I have a couple of suggestions for you.  If you can fleece your fellow members here and make a nice personal profit off of us, go right ahead.  BUT, please don't act like you're doing us a big favor by offering an item at half of the cost of retail, when you got it for free under the assumption that you were PAYING IT FORWARD.  

Quote from: Monstermash on August 25, 2010, 03:16:23 PM
Interesting responses. Thanks guys.

In response to Sac's post...

[edited]

Now please, enlighten me as to why my question is bullshit?

Kinda because of this:

Quote from: bmonty72 on September 08, 2010, 09:58:58 AM
I was just directed to this thread when I pm'd Mash to call him a douche bag.  I never would have seen this thread to comment on it otherwise.  Anyways...If you feel guilty or worry about looking unethical, why not just post in the classified ad that "Hey I snagged this baby for free, but I think I can fleece someone for $165 profit" ?   I told Mash in my PM this is not the first time I've seen him using the Ducati Monster Forum in order to turn a personal profit.  Perhaps he should contact the mods about getting set up on the "Minor Sponsor Board". 

Just a little background here...I pm'd the person that GAVE the backrest to Mash, The guy wanted to give it away locally so he did not have to set up a paypal account just to get paid for the cost of shipping the item. The guy even ended his classified ad with "Pay it Forward".  I pm'd the guy and told him I was interested, but would be willing to wait a week or so to see if he could give it to someone that could USE IT locally, but I'd pay for shipping if he did not.  Long story short, Mash got it and now it'll cost me $165 to get it.  NO THANKS!

I guess when it comes right down to it,  you can do whatever you'd like with the item, actually I have a couple of suggestions for you.  If you can fleece your fellow members here and make a nice personal profit off of us, go right ahead.  BUT, please don't act like you're doing us a big favor by offering an item at half of the cost of retail, when you got it for free under the assumption that you were PAYING IT FORWARD. 

Because you don't give a make the beast with two backs whether it is ethical or not. You don't now and you didn't then. Again, it is not even an ethical question. Its a matter of, does Mash feel all sorts of happy with himself? You clearly do. You took a part that it turns out you have no need for. Instead of contacting the previous owner to see if he a) wanted to split the cost b) had anyone else interested c) wanted it back, you did what you wanted. Instead of "paying it forward" you thought of the cash. Ethical or not its a dick move and I hope everyone that reads this thread refuses to give you anything for free ever again out of fear you'll just turn around and sell it when the intent was for it to be a gift. You did something douchey and wanted to look like a nice guy. I think that is pretty much the whole story.

This reminds me of the guys who stand outside of baseball games with their kid asking if anyone has an extra ticket so little Johnny can see the game. When they collect a couple of tickets the song then becomes, "We got two extra tickets! Only $20 each!"

sac

Yeah, I'm a douchbag because Sac and Bmonty both think so. I never do anything for anyone else and it's all about me.

Oh wait, What about the time that I did a complet service for a local member because he had fallen on hard times and needed to sell the bike to support his family? He got more money for it because the service was complete. So that was all about me right?

Or the times I have sent out parts to members who needed them to get their bike running again? Yup, all about me.

Then there was the time a local rider crashed his bike and because of the insurance deductable was not going to be able to get it fixed so I fixed it and painted it for free? Yeah, again I must have been thinking about myself.

I also remember on TOB there was a member who's gear was stolen so I sent him an extra jacket I had to get him started on replacing it.

There are many more examples I could give but I think you may start to see the big picture. So what, I got something for free that's actually worth something. So now I'm required to give it away?

I'm such a terrible person. I guess I don't deserve to grace the same pages as you guys.

And no offense Sac, but you don't have a clue what you're talking about. I do care about whether it's ethical or not. That is the reason for the thread. I see things how I see them and it's sometimes a good idea to try and see things through others eyes and get their opinions. You obviously have zero interest in anyone else's opinion. It's only you and what you think that counts in this world which is evident from your posts in this thread.

Additionally as I've mentioned previously, no one else posted in the thread where the guy was giving it away so I asked for it. I didn't represent that I really needed it I simply pm'd him and told him if no one else wanted it I would take it. I had planned on using it but changed my mind and decided to keep the Monster for solo riding only. If Bmonty wanted it so bad he should have posted a reply rather than just pm'ing the guy. Also, if he had pm'ed me here and told me he asked the other guy for it before me and explained the circumstances I would have just given it to him. But rather he thought it was a better idea to send me a pm telling me what a make the beast with two backsing douchbag I am for selling something I got for free.

So yeah, if you want it now, it will cost you. It will be about $329 + $15 for shipping right from Monstrack.

I think it's a realy dick move.  the anti-PIF.

why post asking if the intent is to argue with solicited opinions?

the question wasn't about all the good stuff done over time...it was about this particular thing.

i think the OP should lock the thread so everyone can move on...

Quote from: herm on September 08, 2010, 03:19:00 PM
i think the OP should lock the thread so everyone can move on...

Because you can't move on without the lock?

[laugh]

[popcorn]

Quote from: herm on September 08, 2010, 03:19:00 PM
i think the OP should lock the thread so everyone can move on...

Everyone finished?

Sweet....