Hi there all,
Well I havent been on the site for ages and it is good to see it is still going strong. I was wandering around a local bike shop in Adelaide the other week and had a look at a MV Agusta 1078 - 312 that they are selling at a reasonable price. On research the price isnt as good as first thought but it aint bad. It got me thinking about adding a sports bike to my garage to keep my S4R company. So my question is has anyone on the site ridden a MV 1078 and if so what do they think about it. I have watched all the videos on the net and read heaps of stuff about them. They seem to be great but maybe run a tad hot.....
I would also like views on the MV versus the Ducati 1098/1198 ...
Cheers
Bret
OK, so I can't tell the difference bewteen an MV Agusta and a desmodromic valve system, but perhaps this thread may point you in the right direction:
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=42289.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=42289.0)
I have been looking into this also, I have never ridden a 1098 or 1198 but I have ridden the MV.
Awesome, if your used to the low down grunt of the v twin it takes some getting used to but with 190hp there scary fast! The front end, turn in, feedback is incredible. They like to be ridden hard! I revv the tits of my little 750 and it loves it :-*
As far as running hot goes, there's plenty of advice around for upgrading water pumps etc, but lets be honest how much sitting in traffic will you be doing? (there not very comfortable imo)
Reservations: Still no confirmed importer /distributor for the MV's (last I checked), I have heard that the reputable MV sellers will back the warranty etc but parts could be hard to get. Parts are readily available on the interwebby thingy just like bits for the Ducati's, infact most suppliers stock parts for both marques.
You will pick up a brand new 1078 312 r 1+1 for about $20 - 22k or a 1078 rr for 25-29 which I think is awesome value. The second hand market is pretty good too, I recall seeing a 1+1 on bikesales recently for about 16k :o.
They are well priced because the 2010 is well and truly overdue here and I would expect that if/when the importer is sorted we could see them soon after.
Personally I would get a second hand bike, both marques are generally owned by enthusiasts or show off's so they usually well looked after.
If I could get the cash together I would buy a 1078 f4 for the track and be parking my little 750 f4s because I believe they will only increase in value (being the first model and somewhat a revolution in design)
My 2c
geez Bret thought you would be holding off until after Friday for the next purchase - or you taking a package?? [cheeky]
Quote from: tricolore on September 14, 2010, 10:32:48 PM
I have been looking into this also, I have never ridden a 1098 or 1198 but I have ridden the MV.
Awesome, if your used to the low down grunt of the v twin it takes some getting used to but with 190hp there scary fast! The front end, turn in, feedback is incredible. They like to be ridden hard! I revv the tits of my little 750 and it loves it :-*
The 1098 is a sensational bike, 185 hp or there abouts depending on model and as for torque there is plenty, around 40% more than a R1 has and at 3,000 rpm less. Best of both worlds IMO.
Only downside is $$$$$ [roll];D
Quote from: Nickati on September 15, 2010, 02:37:51 AM
The 1098 is a sensational bike, 185 hp or there abouts depending on model and as for torque there is plenty, around 40% more than a R1 has and at 3,000 rpm less. Best of both worlds IMO.
Only downside is $$$$$ [roll];D
No doubt, It is top 3 sport bikes on my wish list :-\
Thanks everyone for the replies.
So if you had the option of a Ducati 1098 or a MV Agusta 1078 - 312 which one would you buy??
Bret
The Ducati 1098..... [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [thumbsup]
I miss my Duke.....
me personally have always thought the MV looked nice , but i didnt fall in love with the look
sounds , yeh just like the other 4 jap litre bikes
ducati for me has had the look and always had the sound mmm
as mentioned above MV support is lacking, but lets face it arent they all ;)
Quote from: BretMorris on September 15, 2010, 08:30:23 PM
Thanks everyone for the replies.
So if you had the option of a Ducati 1098 or a MV Agusta 1078 - 312 which one would you buy??
Bret
Does this answer the question ? [evil] ;D
(http://i857.photobucket.com/albums/ab135/MannellMotors/Eastern%20Creek%209th%20May%202010/DSC_0155.jpg)
Quote from: Nickati on September 16, 2010, 02:25:52 AM
Does this answer the question ? [evil] ;D
(http://i857.photobucket.com/albums/ab135/MannellMotors/Eastern%20Creek%209th%20May%202010/DSC_0155.jpg)
Sounds like one happy customer !!!!!! :-* [thumbsup] ;D [moto] [laugh] [bow_down]
Quote from: signora monster on September 16, 2010, 02:45:50 AM
Sounds like one happy customer !!!!!! :-* [thumbsup] ;D [moto] [laugh] [bow_down]
Juices flowing !
(http://i857.photobucket.com/albums/ab135/MannellMotors/Eastern%20Creek%209th%20May%202010/DSC_0148.jpg)
Yes. Thank you for asking. [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Get a room :o
Quote from: J5 on September 15, 2010, 09:31:07 PM
sounds , yeh just like the other 4 jap litre bikes
I disagree!
Quote from: BretMorris on September 15, 2010, 08:30:23 PM
Thanks everyone for the replies.
So if you had the option of a Ducati 1098 or a MV Agusta 1078 - 312 which one would you buy??
Bret
If the money wasn't the issue, I would buy a Black 1098s/1198s. If it was for a track bike, MV Agusta (selfish reasons as I already have the skins and spares)
But like I mentioned before, a brand new 1078 MV Agusta for $20k or a good low k 2nd hand bike for $16 is very hard to go past for such a good bike.
I reckon the build quality, design and finish on an MV is better than a duc but I still wind the window down in the cage to listen to the Duc next to me in the traffic.
I guess what I am really trying to say is, I don't know what I would choose... :-\ ???
Quote from: tricolore on September 17, 2010, 03:25:37 AM
I reckon the build quality, design and finish on an MV is better than a duc but I still wind the window down in the cage to listen to the Duc next to me in the traffic.
I guess what I am really trying to say is, I don't know what I would choose... :-\ ???
Are you feeling OK ? ;D
i've not ridden a 1078, but the 1000 mv always felt very aggressive / annoying / tiring to ride at slower speeds just because of the engine response. quite different to the 750. i didn't really enjoy riding them for that reason.
the 1098 has a midrange hole that you don't expect from a big twin, which i also found a bit annoying in that they're quite flat until you get 7,000rpm on them, at which point they really take off. so if you get into that range at an inconvenient time you'll have the front wheel off the ground very easily. which some will like.
the parts supply issues, even with an importer, would tend to put me off an mv. not sure how the warranty system will work without an importer as mv allegedly never paid warranty until the parts replaced had been returned to the factory we got told. so it took a long time to get paid, and i can't see dealers forking out the cash to back that up. i certainly wouldn't epxect much from it if you buy a new one. they're cheap new or second hand because no one wants them, so don't buy one to sell again any time soon. they're also heavy for the class.
not sure what the new mv is like, but in lower speed riding compared to a bmw s1000rr for example the f4 1000 feels big and not quite finished off properly. it is an old design too - when it was released in 1999 it was already 5 or so years old as a design and the 750 was outdated pretty quickly.
but if you like the look of it, why not buy one. i think you'll need to get some seat time on both if possible.
Hi all,
Well I have decided to get a 1098S. I am just trying to work out the logistics of buying one in Melbourne while living in Adelaide.. LOL. Have sourced a very good looking specimen of a 1098S and hoping to organise more details and maybe a mechanical check before buying and jumping on a plane to collect.
Thanks for all your help and advice.
Bret
And there's only one way to get it home. [moto]
i'd hold off if i were you, in fact, i AM holding off, very nearly bought a 1198s corse but since the news has surfaced the 1198 replacement will have GEAR DRIVEN CAMS i'm waiting.
the 1098 will drop significantly in value once the new bike is released, the 1198 will as well, though not as much obviously being newer, bigger capacity. It's fair to say every new bike will depreciate and they will all drop but maintenance costs are the achilles heel and cam belts are not only costly but they really need to be kept on top of because if they go they take a lot of bits with them! and gear driven cams will fix most servicing issues in one hit.
If you must have a new bike now at least you've made the right choice brand wise, MV are nice, lots of billet similar to bimota, great to look at but not a great ride, the duke on the other hand has character in spades, a proper pedigree and they're built for proper bikers who ride to twisties, not coffee shops.......well, sometimes coffee shops.
paul.
Paul,
Thanks for the reply. I am not up with the latest from Ducati so wasnt aware of the new bike / engine coming. I was of the view that the 1098S and the 1198S might hold their price pretty well given the number of people who will want one when Rossi starts to ride the brand next year.
Bret
Certainly the brand will have increased traffic once Rossi rides the red machines and we will most certainly see a Rossi
special motorcycle 1198 Rossi (million $$$) version in 2011.
But I don't see a 1098s holding value any better because Vale-God_Rossi will be riding a Moto GP Ducati.
Now if he went to WSBK it'd be a different kettle of fish.
The RR's would sky rocket! Or at least increase slightly...
Quote from: loony888 on September 26, 2010, 08:44:38 PM
i'd hold off if i were you, in fact, i AM holding off, very nearly bought a 1198s corse but since the news has surfaced the 1198 replacement will have GEAR DRIVEN CAMS i'm waiting
paul.
Well i thought they tried that once, the old Bevel drive system. :-\
The old rubber band sucks less power and simple :-\ [bow_down]
Got any more info or pictures?
Matty,
I suppose I was just looking for some sort of lame excuse to buy one now.. LOL. I might just buy one and ride it... bugger it..
Bret
At least you're buying pre-loved so someone else has made the initial loss.
Once you do it you won't regret it. [thumbsup]
Quote from: Rob s on September 26, 2010, 10:33:27 PM
Well i thought they tried that once, the old Bevel drive system. :-\
The old rubber band sucks less power and simple :-\ [bow_down]
Got any more info or pictures?
yeah, the bevel set up was complex and robbed power, worked a treat though. The gear drive set up looked more like the HRC set up, read about it in amcn, the only down side is that it will also have an alloy beam style frame, not the chrome moly trellis :-\
paul.
Matty,
Hoping to be able to get a low kms 1098S for around 23,000 with a few extras. I reckon that is a lot of bike for the money.
Bret
Still keeping the S4R though Brett?
Also to partial thread jack you heading to the Island?
Will be keeping the S4R for awhile till I am confident I like the 1098S. Then I might have to go back to the one bike.....maybe...m mm
Yep I am heading over to the island but not sure what day. Are you?
Well I hope all of you who went to the MotoGP on the weekend had a great time and celebrated Casey's classy win.
I was suppose to be in Melbourne last week picking up the 1098S but due to some hassles the deal fell thru and with other family health issues I stayed home and watched it on the TV.
So now I can start looking for another bike to partner my S4R and have decided to look at a new 1198S or dare i say it the BMW S1000RR. I have yet to ride the BMW but it does look impressive on the stats sheet and in reports.
Oh the fun of looking for a new bike....
Bret
Brett have you seen the goodies on the 2011 1198SP!
Just saying to confuse you a little more....
Matty,
When do you think the 1198SP will be available in Australia?
Bret
They are usually a first 1/4 of the model year.
But you might be lucky and get something for Xmas.
Let me ask a few questions of someone I know and see what i can find out.
Thanks Matty,
Like all things you can always wait for the next model. If i wait for the SP do I then wait for the new model that apparently will be fundamentally different?
I had a look at the photos of the SP and I am not sure I like the silver stripe. I love the tank stripe on my S4R but not sure about it on the 1198SP.
Cheers
Bret
the new superquadrata, with gear driven cams, proper V engine, carbon fibre headstock, air intake...........
YUM!
http://www.ducatinewstoday.com/2011/06/superquadrata-boldly-goes-where-no-ducati-has-gone-before/ (http://www.ducatinewstoday.com/2011/06/superquadrata-boldly-goes-where-no-ducati-has-gone-before/)
Hey Brett,
What did you end up buying...?
I guess i was in a similar position to you before Xmas........having an S4R too, I opted to buying an MV 312R which i love, nothing against Ducatis SBK's...........it was a hard decision........but i have always had a soft spot for MV's........and those organ pipes......... [thumbsup]
Quote from: Brian W on July 05, 2011, 12:22:25 AM
Het Brett,
What did you end up buying...?
I guess i was in a similar position to you before Xmas........having an S4R too, I opted to buying an MV 312R which i love, nothing against Ducatis SBK's...........it was a hard decision........but i have always had a soft spot for MV's........and those organ pipes......... [thumbsup]
The organ pipes look great! The Suzuki gsxr looking front head light and fairing isn't to bad either :)