After seeing all of these posts about issues with the bike, I was wondering how many people that have it are in fact not experiencing any problems at all?
I'm looking into getting one with the full Termi kit installed prior to purchase by the dealer, and I'm starting to get a little worried about what I could expect.
Any input would be appreciated, thanks.
I have 1080 faultless miles on my stock 696. Runs like a peach.
Nice!
Anyone that have Termi's with similar results?
800 km and no issue. I'm curious as to what you mean when you say "all these problems"? This is a forum man, human nature dictates that the vast majority of posts will be from those experiencing problems, not ones who are working perfectly. If you look closely most all the issues have been people putting on the race only setup with the Termis installed. I havent had a dealer set up so I have to run them with the baffles installed. Be prepared though, the bike will wake the dead without the DB killers in.
I was one of the owners that posted in the Mapping Problems thread. I have the Slip-Ons (- db killers) + DP Racing ECU + DP Air Filter + 14 Tooth Front sprocket. I have not experienced any heat problems. No stalling/cutting out. I think the best way to describe my issue is as follows:
When I'm trying to maintain a speed between 20 - 40 mph (2500 - 4000 Rpm) with the throttle just barely open, it feels a little jerky. Kind of like "hey, lets get going a little faster". I think the 14 Tooth sprocket is causing most of this.
I do believe the bike is running way too lean with the Termi's on. I'm don't regret buying the bike, it's been a blast and very reliable so far. If the Power Commander becomes available for the 696 I'll most likely look into it, but I don't feel the issues I've seen are the end of the world, it just gets me out of town faster and out to the back roads where I can open it up.
Will a power commander help the bike run riche, I thought a closed loop system makes this difficult to do?
Some surging seems to be the norm with bike's now-a-days! [bang]
About 350 miles without Termis and no problems. I did notice the engine feels rough around 3500-4000 rpm.
I was able to get the temperature gauge up to 6-7 bars, but that was my fault for using too high a gear going up a mountain canyon out of paranoia of exceeding 6000 rpm during break in.
My Termis are due to arrive today. I'm going to install the full kit and see how it goes. Curious to see if living in Denver (less oxygen in the air) will cause the engine to run less lean.
Quote from: nkryptit on June 09, 2008, 05:13:24 AM
When I'm trying to maintain a speed between 20 - 40 mph (2500 - 4000 Rpm) with the throttle just barely open, it feels a little jerky.
A Ducati that runs rough below 4000 rpm? I don't believe you.
Quote from: Cider on June 09, 2008, 11:19:10 AM
A Ducati that runs rough below 4000 rpm? I don't believe you.
[laugh]
There are bikes that don't surge???? :o
My 696 has just under 240 miles on it and it is stock. I do notice the jerky surging, but mostly when I first start riding and I am cruzing out of my neighborhood at about 20-30 mph. I blast the throttle thinking my bike just wants to go faster.
I ordered the full termis kit knowing that ducati will fix any problems that their new bike might have if they want to succeed with their new design and if they want to continue to sell their expensive accesories.
Quote from: danaid on June 09, 2008, 12:13:58 PM
I ordered the full termis kit knowing that ducati will fix any problems that their new bike might have
Ha! More likely they'll say "it's part of the bike's character," or "it's a feature, not a bug," or "it's Italian passion," or [insert your own creative excuse here].
Quote from: Cider on June 09, 2008, 12:25:21 PM
Ha! More likely they'll say "it's part of the bike's character," or "it's a feature, not a bug," or "it's Italian passion," or [insert your own creative excuse here].
"Italian passion" - I like that. :)
Quote from: Cider on June 09, 2008, 12:25:21 PM
Ha! More likely they'll say "it's part of the bike's character," or "it's a feature, not a bug," or "it's Italian passion," or [insert your own creative excuse here].
All that I'm saying is that this is their all new design and if they want new customers and not to be distroyed by the media and owners, they better make the bike work.
This is my first duc, If this is normal for the bikes than this thread should have been answered by yourself saying " no problems to speak of, consistant ducati quality".
Quote from: danaid on June 09, 2008, 03:07:40 PM
This is my first duc, If this is normal for the bikes than this thread should have been answered by yourself saying " no problems to speak of, consistant ducati quality".
I sort of did say that, albeit in a sarcastic manner. I like Ducatis and will probably buy more, but they aren't perfect, and I don't expect they ever will be. Some roughness below 4000 rpm is typical of the Ducatis I've encountered. Frankly, that never bothered me much, though.
Can you get the termi slip on w/o the DP ecu and intake? Would that kill the surging issues or make it worse!
Quote from: Cider on June 09, 2008, 11:19:10 AM
A Ducati that runs rough below 4000 rpm? I don't believe you.
[laugh]
After owning a Monster and ST2 that is one thing that has amazed me about my Elefant. I can actually put along at 2.5k rpm and not feel jerky.
almost 600 miles and mine is a little "unrefinded" around 3.5k rpm. I've had a VFR that was exactly the same too.
I don't see this as being a big issue, keep it in the 5-8k rpm range. That where bike and I am the happiest.
500 miles no issues
Termi installed today, running perfect.
Bike feels stronger, 696 with Full Termi w/airbox ECU [thumbsup]
When i used 100octane over the 91 here in CA it helped fix the 2,500-4,000 jerkiness. Tried Torco not any other kinds.
Over 500 miles and no issues. I love the bike. I asked the dealer to let me know when they iron out the termi issues. When they tell me they are good to go, then I will have them installed.
Brenda
When i started the "696 mapping problems" thread I never expected such a response. I thought it would end up being an isolated incodent confined to a few bikes. But it seems not the case. However I did have the Ducati Termi Performance kit installed when I picked it up with 5 miles on it. I have never ridden one with out this kit so I cannot give a good "back to back" evaluation on the rideability. The DP kit is, to me what I would expect, rough and rumbley? ( did I just make up that word, or just spell it wrong? [wine] ),at low revs, but open it up and hold on. My dealer tech fiddeled with the idle speed and mixture a little and it runs great. I still don't know why it overheated at about 130 miles, it hit 8 bars, but it has not happened since. ??? [drink] Bottom line is I love riding it! PS I have 420 miles on it now it is still breaking in, it can only get better
I just dropped it bike off at my dealer today. This is my second 696. The first one ran like a top perfect, this new ones like crap. I quickly contacted my service manager and he knew the issue right away. Ducati has a bulletin ou on it he said. Apparently some bikes are being delivered improperly assembled, he says its an easy fix. I trust him, he's an older guy that works on mv's aprilias triumphs and bmws. He can fix anything. When I pick the bike up tomorrow I'll try to get more detailed info from him.
a fix has been found, it's not a mapping issue, contact your dealer regardless of how your bike is running and let them take a peek to confirm if things are right or wrong.. the job should take less than a half hour for most.
Quote from: Mugen939 on June 26, 2008, 09:01:28 PM
Ducati has a bulletin ou on it he said. Apparently some bikes are being delivered improperly assembled, he says its an easy fix.
Quote from: Dave R on June 26, 2008, 10:15:46 PM
a fix has been found, it's not a mapping issue, contact your dealer regardless of how your bike is running and let them take a peek to confirm if things are right or wrong.. the job should take less than a half hour for most.
Thanks for that guys....I'm picking up a new lid from my shop today, I'll see what they have to say. Should they have received this bulletin also?
Quote from: nkryptit on June 27, 2008, 05:17:10 AM
Thanks for that guys....I'm picking up a new lid from my shop today, I'll see what they have to say. Should they have received this bulletin also?
the bulletin hasn't been officially sent out yet, if they are not familiar they can call their service area manager for the info.
Quote from: Dave R on June 27, 2008, 08:23:17 AM
the bulletin hasn't been officially sent out yet, if they are not familiar they can call their service area manager for the info.
So my service manager is saying its some wires that were crossed, is this correct?
Quote from: Mugen939 on June 27, 2008, 08:28:10 AM
So my service manager is saying its some wires that were crossed, is this correct?
It would be nice to know what the problem was caused by, any fact to this crossed wire business?
Quote from: nkryptit on June 27, 2008, 08:30:30 AM
It would be nice to know what the problem was caused by, any fact to this crossed wire business?
My service manager said it was a wiring issue and the repair would take about an hour and half. He also said it would restore power.
Quote from: nkryptit on June 27, 2008, 08:30:30 AM
It would be nice to know what the problem was caused by, any fact to this crossed wire business?
I think it is best to not go into detail explanation at the risk of someone attempting something on their own and not doing it correct. Just contact your dealer and they can take care of an inspection and correction if needed. It is a simple correction but critical it is done right.
Glad to hear they got the bug!
So I talked to my tech...He hadn't heard anything, but said he and the whole team are going to a update course in a couple weeks that is centered around the 696 and he should know more after that. Oh well..My bike is running really well, but I'd like to get this bug checked out.
Got my bike back, It's running smooth as buttter now!!! My service manager told me exactly what it was. Ducati has a bit of an issue on their hands right now. He was told to perform the service on all bikes he has in stoc and ever sold regardless of whether or not the owner is complaining of issues. He's done it on 6 696's and all of them had the issue. Once he performed the service all the bikes ran perfectly. I would advise anyone with a 696 regardless of how it's running to go in and have this done. the manager says the issue can lead to a blown motor.
It's a coil issue and amazed that they're coming from the factory that way. Someone on that part of the line apparently needs a bit more training?
Chris
Mine has been running pretty good most of the time. It did get up to 6 bars on the temp gauge on 100 mile ride last weekend. I heard some of the pinging sounds that others were reporting too. I haven't been able to replicate it since then. I do have some bluing on my exhaust pipes near the headers. I have 470 miles on it so far so I'm still breaking it in as directed. I took mine in to check it out today and the service guy said that it was normal for the break-in period. He said to bring it back in for the scheduled service at 600 miles and they'd check it out.
He did say there was a service bulletin for certain VIN numbers but he didn't seem too worried about affecting my bike. I don't know how to take it but the bike hasn't been acting up that I have noticed. There wasn't any rush to get the bike in the shop right away on their part so I don't know if it's the fix to the issue we've been hearing about.
38 miles. no problems. :D
I had the coil issue fixed. It does not run as hot. I also had the termignoni put on so i cant tell if the coil issue made it drive any differently.
Quote from: williamG on June 29, 2008, 05:30:17 PM
I had the coil issue fixed. It does not run as hot. I also had the termignoni put on so i cant tell if the coil issue made it drive any differently.
I have about 200 miles on my 696 with Termis. How hot were you running?
How many bars were you seeing on oil temp gauge pre coil fix and now with termis?
I have not yet talked to my dealer. They are located about 2 hours away. I am not sure if I should take the bike over now or just wait until the 600 mile service. :-\
I got only 60 Km on my stock 696 as the bike gets too hot to ride in just a few minutes.
I called my dealer (Montreal, Canada) and they said they never heard anything about overheating.
I can't tell if I have the jerking issue as I barely drove the thing.
Mungen969, who is your dealer? I'll get my dealer in contact with him [thumbsup]
Hopefully it's just a coil problem. If not, I am changing to the the StreetTriple >:(
Thanks.
Major overheating problem on a stock 696 just out of the shop.
Hi folks, New here. Just bought a 696, red, last month and have been reading and enjoying this forum. As for the lurching problems everyone seems to be having, when I brought the bike in for the 600 service, the tech told me that ducati sent out a bulletin mentioning crossed wires on the coil. Mine were switched and voila! No more 3,5-4 lurching problems. Hope this is helpful. By the way my bike is stock for the moment. :)
230 miles by the book break-in rpms
80-90 degree florida heat/ humidity
5 bars max on temp gauge
no jerkiness....
so far zero probs...
I've only reached 4 bars one time in the high 90s heat here in OK. Most of the time 3.
Have noticed a lot of backpressure popping? Someone had mentioned the pipe blueing near the cylinder, i'm seeing this a bit. I can't really feel any hesitation but you really have to turn the throttle or slip the clutch like mad on slower starts.
Other than the heat buildup on the stock pipes have had no issues.
I think the backpressure/bluing/slow start situations/and heat buildup will all be fixed with the termi exhausts
I did see some lube/oil(?) on the bolts connecting the swingarm. My dealer said it was just initial lube, and it's been dry since the first 30 miles or so.
I also had the flappy mirrors. I think this is one of the few things that aren't torqued at the factory (the dealer puts them on) so i bet most dealers don't want to over tighten them initially. I tightened them down and no probs.
My biggest issue was the dealer. I drove 7 hours (there and back), had fedexed my check beforehand, and still felt like i was treated like a 2nd classer since i wasn't buying an 848 like the guy behind me. Still haven't had a formal apology or a let me make it up to you from the owner.
I had my brand new checked at the dealer. They said they couldn't find anything abnormal on the computer.
They called Ducati who told them the overheating was normal in traffic because the motor is air cooled.
[clap] [clap] [clap] The denial is starting. I mentionned the inverted coil many of you mentionned. They never heard about it. I'll run the Frack out of it until the motor blows or seize. Let's see what their "computer" tells them then!!!
Can any of you guys get a copy of that Ducati note on the coil? I can even get the bike to another dealer if you know of one within 500 miles of Montreal, Canada that will fix this.
Inglis Cycle Centre in London Ontario ackwowledged the coil issue. I believe your dealer is lying to you and never even asked Ducati.
Does anybody knows if this Ducati's bulletin ever exists in Europe?
'Cause several forum-mates seem to have the same symptoms around 4000 rpm, but no dealers ever heard anything about the crossed wire coil thing or any Ducati bulletin.
So if anybody or dealer have any clue or peace of information about it, I would be really thankful.
i just had carbon termis installed, picked up the bike wed.
the service manager was already aware, when i called back to bring it to his attention that they check it,
they had already done it.
bike runs/ sounds awesome, although never had a surging problem BEFORE termi install....
ehh, point is, florida DUC dealer was already aware and checked the issue when bike came in for install....