I...dont....understand
http://www.ducatinewstoday.com/2010/12/amg-to-buy-ducati-rumor/ (http://www.ducatinewstoday.com/2010/12/amg-to-buy-ducati-rumor/)
probably more about resources and funding
ducati might have stretched themselves thin and the Diavel is a big money risk
About every 5 years this rumor pops up.. VW, Piaggio, Guzzi, etc..
Grain of salt...
humm.....Ducati is really beginning to get around.
Quote from: Monster Dave on December 09, 2010, 08:33:45 AM
humm.....Ducati is really beginning to get around.
Don't hold it against her... the girl just likes to have a little fun! [thumbsup]
rumor... that's all.
They're being purchased by Briggs & Stratton. Wait til you see next year's lawn mowers.
Nooo.
If AMG/Mercedes buys Ducati then the bikes will be more expensive than their Japanese counterparts and the maintenance costs will be really high.
uh... wait a second...
Quote from: Blackout on December 09, 2010, 09:29:26 AM
They're being purchased by Briggs & Stratton. Wait til you see next year's lawn mowers.
And maybe they'll take a cue from Nissan and install a center console that was inspired by a motorcycle. [cheeky]
Quote from: Drunken Monkey on December 09, 2010, 09:42:41 AM
Nooo.
If AMG/Mercedes buys Ducati then the bikes will be more expensive than their Japanese counterparts and the maintenance costs will be really high.
uh... wait a second...
[cheeky] [thumbsup]
I rode an AMF-Harley for ten years (well... rode it for 3, fixed it for 7) and this is one consonant too close for comfort to me.
Quote from: Blackout on December 09, 2010, 09:29:26 AM
They're being purchased by Briggs & Stratton. Wait til you see next year's lawn mowers.
desmo driven 48 inch cutting deck with Carbon Fibre velke wheel assembly WHAT?
Quote from: zooom on December 09, 2010, 12:46:43 PM
desmo driven 48 inch cutting deck with Carbon Fibre velke wheel assembly WHAT?
and you will have to replace the gas tank every season.
Quote from: sbrguy on December 09, 2010, 12:53:42 PM
and you will have to replace the gas tank every season.
naaahhh...cause I'd do a diesel conversion on it....no corn squeeezin's in diesel!
Quote from: Raux on December 09, 2010, 12:38:19 AM
probably more about resources and funding
ducati might have stretched themselves thin and the Diavel is a big money risk
the Diavel is a complete loss
Diavel reminds me of a cousin no one likes at Thanksgiving. Definitely a part of the family but no one wants to hang out with him. I can honestly say that I would much rather have my M620 than a new Diavel... seriously. I think it will be a commercial flop.
I think as the V-Rod is to Harly purists, the Diavel is to Duc purists.
The V-rod was (is still?) HATED by the panhead crowd
...but it is a good bike with merits ...so a new Harley market was opened up
With a new segment of not-previously-Harly-owners consumers to fill the void
The situation is a similar parallel, but there is a big difference this time around.
Basically: "global financial health".
I wish them the best on the project. It's just (no fault of Ducati) not the best timing.
Quote from: RichD on December 10, 2010, 01:10:47 AM
The V-rod was (is still?) HATED by the panhead crowd
Wrong!
Heehee. I own a V-Rod AND a panhead. ;D
Yeah, the panhead crowd hates you.
Quote from: RichD on December 10, 2010, 01:10:47 AM
I think as the V-Rod is to Harly purists, the Diavel is to Duc purists.
The V-rod was (is still?) HATED by the panhead crowd
...but it is a good bike with merits ...so a new Harley market was opened up
With a new segment of not-previously-Harly-owners consumers to fill the void
The situation is a similar parallel, but there is a big difference this time around.
Basically: "global financial health".
I wish them the best on the project. It's just (no fault of Ducati) not the best timing.
I mostly agree with you with the addition of one thing...the core audience of the former with a mindset of a similar riding style as apposed to the latter....it will bring more diversity to their customer base as far as riding style in comparo to the HD V-Rod....
Quote from: ducatiz on December 10, 2010, 05:08:18 AM
Yeah, the panhead crowd hates you.
It's funny, I've run into a few folks (usually newbs on their brand-new late model H-D) on my V-Rod that give me static, usually "why don't you buy a REAL Harley" or some such tripe.
To which I respond, "If I want to ride an antique, I ride my panhead."
Usually shuts them right the hell up. ;D
I agree that it will bring in a different crowd. And I think all companies to that to some extent to try and generate more revenue. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Some Porsche owners think anything but a 911 is not a Porsche. They hated the 944 and smirked at the Cayenne. The Cayenne at one point (may still be) the best seller volume wise. financially it helped out tremendously. Cadillac and their SUV is similar. So, I guess it could work out for them. The timing with the economy is bad so it will be interested to see if it helps or not.
This rumor about AMG buying Ducati is very odd because I bought Ducati last weekend. [wine]
AMG is making a hypermotard?!?
Quote from: MrIncredible on December 10, 2010, 07:12:36 PM
AMG is making a hypermotard?!?
That joke never gets old [roll]
Oddly, a lot of folks were all [roll] about the new 'strada (it looks like an aardvark!) and yet I keep running into guys riding it. Admittedly it's a small sample (3) but all of them were ex -BMW guys who appreciated the lighter weight and higher "zoot" factor of the 'strada. So, three converts based on power / weight / flexibility.
I suspect the Diavel is going to have the same effect on folks currently riding whatever it is that they ride.
While, it's not the bike for me, I'm coming around to the idea that for for people who like that sort of thing, it's the sort of thing they like.
i think other have it here the main thing that they have against them is just that its a 18k bike and the economy stinks right now so getting msrp from the dealers is going to be tough, its just tough for motorcycle companies period and something new is eitehr going to be good, as in taking business away from a competitor, ie, hd, vmax, or any of the outher power cruisers, or like other said it just won't have enough people buying if for no other reason nobody is buying bikes.
Quote from: sbrguy on December 10, 2010, 08:18:59 PM
i think other have it here the main thing that they have against them is just that its a 18k bike and the economy stinks right now so getting msrp from the dealers is going to be tough, its just tough for motorcycle companies period and something new is eitehr going to be good, as in taking business away from a competitor, ie, hd, vmax, or any of the outher power cruisers, or like other said it just won't have enough people buying if for no other reason nobody is buying bikes.
Holy run-on sentences Batman!!! :o
;D
Quote from: sbrguy on December 10, 2010, 08:18:59 PM
i think other have it here the main thing that they have against them is just that its a 18k bike and the economy stinks right now so getting msrp from the dealers is going to be tough, its just tough for motorcycle companies period and something new is eitehr going to be good, as in taking business away from a competitor, ie, hd, vmax, or any of the outher power cruisers, or like other said it just won't have enough people buying if for no other reason nobody is buying bikes.
By that logic, no one would be buying expensive Multistradas, and then are, so. *shrug*
you are right nobody should be buying multistradas.
then again who know. maybe this new diavel will turn out to be a best seller for ducati. only time will tell.
Quote from: sbrguy on December 12, 2010, 05:28:29 PM...then again who know. maybe this new diavel will turn out to be a best seller for ducati. only time will tell.
Ducati didn't think the Monster was going to be succesful ...it was a special project/favor.
It is the all-time best selling Duc. [beer]
You never know! (or at least I never know ...I'm not much on marketing I guess)
Quote from: sbrguy on December 12, 2010, 05:28:29 PM
you are right nobody should be buying multistradas.
then again who know. maybe this new diavel will turn out to be a best seller for ducati. only time will tell.
well for me, the mTS would be an option only because of the features, not the look. in fact, creating a new look for the nose would be my priority if i owned one.
and the Diavel, the tail and front are the two big issues for me on that design. the huge side intakes, the wierd looking light shroud and the cut tail are all poor design elements.
I understand their sprinter look, but it's ITALIAN.. since when is an italian design based on a man's body?!
Quote from: Raux on December 12, 2010, 09:52:54 PM
I understand their sprinter look, but it's ITALIAN.. since when is an italian design based on a man's body?!
I guess you would need to ask the Romans for that answer.
Quote from: Christian on December 12, 2010, 05:23:53 PM
By that logic, no one would be buying expensive Multistradas, and then are, so. *shrug*
BMW sales have been solid through this recession. So there were sales to steal. Power cruiser sales have not been good. There are no sales to steal. So if the Diavel does well it will have to create new sales from people that think it is just so awesome they have to have it.
Quote from: Raux on December 12, 2010, 09:52:54 PM
the Diavel, the tail and front are the two big issues for me on that design. the huge side intakes, the wierd looking light shroud and the cut tail are all poor design elements.
I don't mind the tail, but that bizarre-looking light shroud has got to go.
Quote from: Travman on December 13, 2010, 05:24:35 AM
BMW sales have been solid through this recession.
REALLY?...the reports I have been reading...everyone is down...some less than others...but no one has escaped the downturn...
Quote from: zooom on December 13, 2010, 06:37:39 AM
REALLY?...the reports I have been reading...everyone is down...some less than others...but no one has escaped the downturn...
BMW sales were up 4% worldwide in July, and Ducati sales were up 7% in July in Canada, Mexico, and the United States. I'm not sure how they faired during the rest of the year, but the European brands have been generally performing better than the Japanese brands. In 2009, when I think pretty much everyone was down, they weren't down nearly as much.