I've had this idea sitting in the back of my head for a long time and I've finally decided to give it a try. Goal: the best of both worlds, SBK handling and 2V simplicity. [thumbsup]
Warning: the length of this post has grown out of control, read at your own risk. (Signed the Mad King Pepe')
Everything started a couple years ago when a friend of mine laid down his 748 and decided to sell it. I had always lusted over that bike, so I decided it would be better in my hands than in those of some stranger. What to say? I loved it! The bike handled like a dream, the engine was a blast, and the looks were divine! [drool]
But, everytime there was something to fix and the fairing had to come off was hell. A clustermake the beast with two backs of wires, tubes, spread everywhere without rhyme nor reason. The electrics layout looks like a child's drawing, and I had to go through it more than once! [bang]
Just before I got the 748, I had traded my Daytona 600 for a Monster 750. And compared to both bikes: I love its simplicity! One valve to get the mixture in and another one to get the gasses out. Air and oil take care of the cooling. Gas goes from the tank to the carbs to the engine; when I open the throttle more goes through: no need to pass through the censors and the encapsulated committee unit to decide how much, when, where, why... I got rid of the side pods, the crankcase expansion tank and the airbox. I put in pod filters and re-jetted the carbs. No need for a black-box to do its magic, old screws out, new screws in.
But, and there had to be one, it feels low on power and something's missing with the handling. I understand the lack of power is due do the lazy head design: one of the reasons the 800/796 is so much better is that it has 900 spec heads (http://bikeboy.org/comp2vmodels.html) on. There's no way to fix that without pouring in serious $$$ into mods, and it's not worth it. The 750 is my almost daily commuter, it's the 2-up bike for fun rides with my wife, it's the bike she will learn to ride on (with plenty of safety tampons). Also the 748 went on rails through the turns and turned like magic, while there's something with the monster that I'm just not happy with. Forks? Shock? Frame? Wheels? Weight distribution? All of the above probaby, or some combination.
So I've decided to take the best of both worlds and put it together: 2V simplicity and SBK handling. [thumbsup]
I've begun to buy some bits on eBay and this is what I have so far:
996 frame with the adjustable head stock, forks (w. triples), shock, swingarm (mostly complete), rear sub-frame (bi-posto).
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/frame_suspension.jpg)
Gas tank (complete with the internal organs)
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/gas_tank_4.jpg)
And (drum roll) Marchesini Mag wheels [drool]
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/wheels_01.jpg)
However this is where things slow down a bit and I need to go back into the thinking phase. The main issue is which engine to put in, 900 (cheaper) or 1000/1100 (more power [evil])? This is affected by how much cash can I put in this project and what do I really want? See, I also have a '94 Monster 900 that I need to do something with. It has too many special bits in it for my taste, too much bling, but the engine is great and it has FCRs. It pulls like a tractor and although it doesn't have the power of the 748 it's a blast in a straight line. So do I sell it whole or do I use it for parts FCRs, engine etc.. ???
If I decide to use the 900 for parts, I have engine, FCRs, electrical wiring (which I've already fixxed up since it was a disaster when I got it), radial masters, and other bits and pieces I can use. Then I could either put the aluminum rear and Ohlins shock on the 750 [evil] or sell them... :-\
On the other side if I sell the 900 whole, I could buy a DS engine and that would open the way to more power and more work. A motor out of a Hyper or Multi should bolt right into the frame but then I would either need to give in to the work of the debbil and use a fuel injected system or get a TCIP unit and FCRs (angels and cherubs).
Cheers,
The Mad King Pepe' 8)
Use the 900 for the parts.
get an 1100 motor. your potential goes way up and you can get 100+hp with some work.
Go all out to reduce the weight... and you'll have get closer to the same HP/Weight ratio.
then you'll have your simplicity AND your power
+1 on the ds1100 motor. Get one from a hyper or multi...the SBK arm bolts up, AND they are LOADS cheaper. Reason being the race guys want the SS motor so they can use the SS swingarm.
Quote from: TAftonomos on March 06, 2011, 09:17:28 AM
+1 on the ds1100 motor. Get one from a hyper or multi...the SBK arm bolts up, AND they are LOADS cheaper.
Not sure about that, the DS being cheaper, that is.
In the long run, most likely yes, especially if I want to get good HP.
On the other side, I've found plenty of 900 engines on eBay for cheap. There's one for $600 (and free shipping), it has the shitty W heads, but still, $600 shipped is CHEAP! I can't find a Hyper or Multi motor for less than twice as much! Of course the DS motor will perform much better out of the box, while the 900 with W heads is as fast as a dead horse, and just as useful.
Right now I'll just wait and see what I can sell my 900 for and that will probably decide which path to follow. So.. [popcorn]
I meant cheaper vs the SS ds motor (hyper/multi is cheaper than the SS). I bought mine with all wiring, coils, ecu, and shipping for $1500 [thumbsup]
Quote from: TAftonomos on March 07, 2011, 08:08:35 AM
I meant cheaper vs the SS ds motor (hyper/multi is cheaper than the SS). I bought mine with all wiring, coils, ecu, and shipping for $1500 [thumbsup]
Damn, that is a sweet deal! :o
Cheapest DS engine I found is 850 + S&H, but it's missing starter, cover and clutch. Need to do some more searching!
Hooray for these builds!
also, do you plan on riding 2 up on this bike? Not sure what your budget is, but if you do not plan on doing so - ditching that biposto subframe for an OEM aluminum monoposto unit, or an aftermarket monoposto unit (like MotoHolders, etc) will save some SERIOUS weight.
Quote from: a m on March 07, 2011, 11:21:52 AM
also, do you plan on riding 2 up on this bike? Not sure what your budget is, but if you do not plan on doing so - ditching that biposto subframe for an OEM aluminum monoposto unit, or an aftermarket monoposto unit (like MotoHolders, etc) will save some SERIOUS weight.
Most likely no. The Monster is good enough for the occasional 2-up with the lady-wife. I only got a bi-posto because it came cheap with a few more bits. If/when I have the money for it, I'll get a lightweight unit to replace it with.
I have a 2-phase plan for this project, the first is what's going on now IE: get the (my) shit together and running. Once that's done, the bling phase shall commence (just don't tell my wife)! [laugh]
Quote from: The Mad King Pepe' on March 07, 2011, 12:32:17 PM
I have a 2-phase plan for this project, the first is what's going on now IE: get the (my) shit together and running. Once that's done, the bling phase shall commence (just don't tell my wife)! [laugh]
We think alike [thumbsup]
take a look at durbahn.de or kaemna.de or even find body work that eliminates the subframe altogether from rico racing research (may not have it listed but they do it)
Quote from: Raux on March 07, 2011, 01:04:04 PM
take a look at durbahn.de or kaemna.de or even find body work that eliminates the subframe altogether from rico racing research (may not have it listed but they do it)
The Kaemna bits are nice, but you need to use the dummy tank cover with the monocoque tail section, and fab up (or buy $$$) a new tank. I'll be going that way with my build once it's up and running (phase 2?)
Quote from: The Mad King Pepe' on March 07, 2011, 12:32:17 PM
the first is what's going on now IE: get the (my) shit together and running.
Quote from: TAftonomos on March 07, 2011, 12:48:15 PM
We think alike [thumbsup]
Damn you both.
Quote from: a m on March 07, 2011, 02:21:05 PM
Damn you both.
It's not really an option for me, see I live in a studio and all my junk is piling up in front of the only window.... :'( If I don't get my shit together, it's either the wife or the bike! [laugh]
I've looked at the kaemna site, between them and
this project (http://www.duccutters.com/PaulStrickland.tpl) on duccutters I really learned a lot!
Quote from: The Mad King Pepe' on March 07, 2011, 03:20:21 PM
If I don't get my shit together, it's either the wife or the bike! [laugh]
Hmm... decisions decisions.
Finally got my hands on an eccentric steering head hub [thumbsup]
(http://www.gothamcycles.com/catalog/1A_34320051A.jpg)
And started to put up the M900 donor up for sale: http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=47978.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=47978.0) She's going to help my finance my addiction [laugh] I'll update that page as parts come off the bike, let me know if there's something you're interested in.
F. I know what that's like - I am about to put up a bunch of parts for sale that I don't "need" in order to do the same: Fund my addictions.
Cool project. I'd like to see you use one of the cheaper, less powerful engines. To me it seems more in keeping with the stated goals/philosophy of the project.
Really looking forward to seeing this one come together.
Quote from: Syscrush on April 12, 2011, 11:28:05 AM
Cool project. I'd like to see you use one of the cheaper, less powerful engines. To me it seems more in keeping with the stated goals/philosophy of the project.
I already have a Monster 750, so the 900 engine is about as low as I'm willing to go. I had thought about the 800, but they're actually more expensive and harder to find. I've found 900s on fleaBay as low as 600 + shipping.
Quote from: Syscrush on April 12, 2011, 11:28:05 AM
Really looking forward to seeing this one come together.
Well here you go then: ;D
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/bianca_01_small.jpg)
I've posted more pics online
here (http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/muse/)
I like the white and gold theme.
those wheels look all wrong [drool]. tell you what, i'll buy em off you so you can start over [coffee]
Quote from: uglyducky on April 16, 2011, 05:04:33 PM
those wheels look all wrong [drool]. tell you what, i'll buy em off you so you can start over [coffee]
Hmm now that you mention it, I think you're totally right! You're so cool, you can have the wheels for free! Just pay shipping.
My paypal email is im_an_honest_guy@no_scam.ng $150 should cover shipping from Nigeria to anywhere in the world, be sure to send the money as a gift! [cheeky] [laugh]
Been thinking about the 2v SBK problems with the frame braces and the TB issues...
how hard would it be to switch to a SBK TB setup on a 2v motor?
really hard?
the SBK's / 4v heads have the intake port in the middle.
the 2v heads have the offset intake ports - vertical is closer to "shift lever" side, horizontal is closer to "brake lever" side
These photos show the issues with the exhaust headers: from the Strickland SBK Hybrid over at www.duccutters.com/PaulStrickland.tpl (//http://)
In this phase custom headers were made to adapt to the stock SBK exhaust (he later changed to megaphones).
(http://www.duccutters.com/PaulStrickland/Originals/6frheader.jpg)
(http://www.duccutters.com/PaulStrickland/Originals/7rearheader.jpg)
I'd like to do something similar but with a S2r/S4r style exhaust, possibly without the udder. I would love an ExBox or even an open udder (nice and low and keeping the bike slender), but I hate noisy exhausts. Loud pipes don't save lives, they just annoy neighbors. [thumbsdown]
As for the Throttle Bodies here a quote form the Strickland Special:
"Making the throttle bodies fit: this was easier, but I have a couple of friends who are expert tig-welders. the symmetrical cross brace in the SBK frame has to be made asymmetrical (like the x-brace in a 749/999 frame if you've ever seen one and know the difference) this done using a dremel and some 3/8" mild steel tubing from home-depot, and my friend Doug's ace welding skillzzzz..."
What I'm curious about is what he did there:
(http://www.duccutters.com/PaulStrickland/Originals/n632246498_843318_6385.jpg)
Looks like he drilled (?!?) the stock top triple to bolt on stock monster risers. It leaves me wondering how reliable that can be...
What I'm wondering now is: will an '02+ complete monster triple fit a SBK frame? I know that offset and forks are different, but the bearings are the same so it should be only a height issue... ??? Does anyone know for sure? 'Cause it sure feels like a better solution than drilling the top triple! :-\
i believe the stem length is different, but not sure.
I own that Strickland bike (most of it) now if you have any specific questions or pic requests, I don't have the triple he was running in that pic though.
I wouldn't worry about drilling a SBK triple for risers. as long as you dont drill supporting pieces it should hold up just fine.
Quote from: j v on April 26, 2011, 02:16:39 PM
really hard?
the SBK's / 4v heads have the intake port in the middle.
the 2v heads have the offset intake ports - vertical is closer to "shift lever" side, horizontal is closer to "brake lever" side
well I guess what I meant was use the TB but change the intake plenum below that. a little CNC work to get the TB and intake ports to line up with custom plenums that take care of the difference.
Don't think that's where you'd want the bend to be though, for performance
Quote from: Raux on April 26, 2011, 09:30:31 PM
well I guess what I meant was use the TB but change the intake plenum below that. a little CNC work to get the TB and intake ports to line up with custom plenums that take care of the difference.
What you're proposing there is about 10X more difficult than modifying the frame.
amen.
I'm interested in getting a SBK airbox molded/combined to a motard/sc style 'bottom' of an airbox so the big volume / ram-air features are available. That's my long term plan. Short term is to cut the hell out of one and use v-stacks and pod filters.
Quote from: The Mad King Pepe' on April 16, 2011, 05:29:57 PM
Hmm now that you mention it, I think you're totally right! You're so cool, you can have the wheels for free! Just pay shipping.
My paypal email is im_an_honest_guy@no_scam.ng $150 should cover shipping from Nigeria to anywhere in the world, be sure to send the money as a gift! [cheeky] [laugh]
ok! payment sent! i hope your sister, the village princess, gets her surgery done in a timely manner. [laugh]
Just got my IMA srl triple clamps in the mail today ;D
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/triples_01.jpg)
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/triples_02.jpg)
I had thought about drilling the stock top triple to bolt on a handlebar mount, but I wasn't comfortalbe with the idea. So after a bit of selling and saving and a couple dozen emails with the guys at IMA, I got me some italian pr0n. [evil]
^^^^^ Shwing!
oh so sexy!
Quote from: j v on May 18, 2011, 05:17:21 AM
oh so sexy!
shush you, you set the bad example for me! [evil]
[laugh]
Have I showed you the MOD4 top triple (no bar riser holes) adapted for use on my Monster 900?
Separately, I just got in another 53mm IMA lower so I can reuse the original 53mm IMA upper that was on my bike with the fixer-upper Monster 900. Coolest part is I got their new risers for the bar clamps (the 20mm riser/spacer option for my MOD1 upper and 22mm handlebar). They look great, identical corner shapes as the bar clamps, and same gorgeous black anodizing.
Also got the necessary 53mm fork damper clamp from IMA - it's trick! I got this one with an insert reducing bolt to M6 style so I can use DP or Ducabike billet sbk damper bracket - a bit of bling in blue to surprise the wife who picked / dared-me-to-use a blue Rizoma handlebar.
well b@ll$
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/no_likey_01.jpg)
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/no_likey_02.jpg)
I had to miss something, hadn't I?!?!
Been there. Done that.
My approach is to use a set of 749 cases w 1000/1100 2v stuff
Quote from: j v on May 28, 2011, 10:29:23 PM
My approach is to use a set of 749 cases w 1000/1100 2v stuff
That's what Taft did with his
bike (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=37734.0). I don't know why I thought this would not be an issue with the older 916-era SBK frames... ???
So far I've figured I have 3 options:
- cut & weld the current frame (fast but is it safe?)
- get a 999/749 frame (more $$)
- get SBK engine cases and migrate the whole shit (FML)
And I'm going to try them in this order.
The guy I contacted to do the exhaust (Bruce in Falls Church, VA) has done work on motocross bikes so he might be able to fix up the 996 frame for me.
If that doesn't work then I either get a 749/999 frame or migrate the internals.... New frame would mean getting a new gas tank, sub frame and if I can't fit the 996 swingarm, new wheels (bye bye marchesini mags).
Swapping the internals is a sh!t load of work but may be cheaper (at least in the short run...)
Cut and weld....
I grabbed the crankcases from a SBK for this to do the internals swap. I figured I wanted to balance the crank anyhow. And the 749/999/996/998 cases use the same cylinder stud spacing as the 1000/1100DS. The 916 era use the same stud spacing as the 900. But the 749-999 cases fit right up into the 916-996-998/748 frame.
JV have you got the bottom end assembled yet? I have a 749 engine that I have been thinking about putting a 1100 crank & cylinders on. Is there any clearance work needed for the longer stroke or do all the testastretta cases fit the long stroke crank?
No idea yet. Will post up as soon as I know
Cut/Weld. Much easier than re-machining the cases, and will accomplish the same thing. Use the pivot bolt for a jig, grind away slowly till it's centered up and a tight fit with the frame and weld it.
The 999 cases have the eccentric bit there (as you know), so this isn't an issue.
I'm using the DS1100 motor, with a set of machined eccentric "washers" that will locate the swingarm pivot securely in the frame.
Quote from: TAftonomos on May 29, 2011, 11:23:49 AM
Cut/Weld. Much easier than re-machining the cases, and will accomplish the same thing. Use the pivot bolt for a jig, grind away slowly till it's centered up and a tight fit with the frame and weld it.
I will need to narrow the cases for the 996 swingarm to fit, and that is not a problem for me. I will also need to do some cutting/welding with the frame's X-brace to make clearance for the carbs.
The only thing that took me by surprise is the (mis) alignment of the swingarm axle, but it can be (reliably) fixed with a little cut & weld, I'm definitely going that way.
Thanks to all for the replies, btw! [thumbsup]
Still kicking (myself), this is what's currently holding up the works:
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-B5Xm6oEU6dg/Te58jyXD62I/AAAAAAAAAP8/mdT2mpvubnE/s800/frame_fitment.jpg)
Lesson learned: if you want to do this GET A FU**ING 999/749 FRAME! [bang] this page here http://www.ducati.ms/forums/57-supersport/67691-my-new-supersport-superbike-project-2.html (http://www.ducati.ms/forums/57-supersport/67691-my-new-supersport-superbike-project-2.html) shows how much easier it is.
If you check my old threads, i met the same problem.
I was going to stick my spare 900 motor directly into my 748 frame. No dice.
Here's what I've learned:
1) Crankcases can come up cheap on eBay or at a plethora of shops around the country.
2) Hypermotard crankcases look like a direct fit, and while properly narrower at the swingarm pivot holes (unlike the Monster crankcases) they are not at the right height, just as shown in the Monster-width crankcases in your picture above.
3) 916 cases, obviously, will fit in the frame. The cylinder/head stud spacing is also the same as the M/SS 900 too (so very likely that you could migrate parts).
4) 996/998/749/999 crankcases will fit in the frame. The cylinder/head stud spacing is also the same as a M1000/1100, Hyper 1100, MTS 1100 (I bought some base gaskets to verify this), so it may/should be possible to migrate the internals into those cases. This is what I have chosen to do.
996R/998R/999R (and perhaps the later deep sump 999's too) and the 848/1098/1198 have a third style cylinder/head stud spacing, so I am not aware of any 2v cylinders/heads that would drop onto those cases yet.
The other option is to drill the swingarm pivot hole into an oval and be good to go, though I believe there would be less structural integrity than if it was purposefully built the correct way. That said, the 999R WSBK crankcases (which were also sandcast) had the swingarm pivot hole oval-shaped right off the bat, that allowed the teams to use various "keys" in the frames to locate the pivot at different heights to change geometry and thereby increase traction.
Example of 999R WSBK cases with oval'ed hole:
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-zAk9stuMJsk/TbL43GBR9kI/AAAAAAAAGt0/fGbjJYRluzU/s640/IMG_0139.jpg)
Example of frame's alternate height swingarm-pivot locating keys, from Ducati Kaemna:
(http://www.kaemna.de/pic/katalog/d48.jpg)
"Centrical Plate for Swingarm Fulcrum"
hopefully this helps some and restores hope!
Quote from: j v on June 07, 2011, 12:52:49 PM
If you check my old threads, i met the same problem.
Yea, I spent my lunch break doing some reading on the .ms forum and saw your thread and another guy who put a 2v engine in a 999 frame. Wish I had found & read those before, I would have just bought a 999 frame instead and my life would be much easier now. [bang]
Quote from: j v on June 07, 2011, 12:52:49 PM
1) Crankcases can come up cheap on eBay or at a plethora of shops around the country.
3) 916 cases, obviously, will fit in the frame. The cylinder/head stud spacing is also the same as the M/SS 900 too (so very likely that you could migrate parts).
I'm already looking at a pair of 916 cases on eBay, and considering swapping internals. My main concern with that is migrating all the parts: what will fit, what will not, when will I find out that something doesn't fit? ???
Quote from: j v on June 07, 2011, 12:52:49 PM
The other option is to drill the swingarm pivot hole into an oval and be good to go, though I believe there would be less structural integrity than if it was purposefully built the correct way. That said, the 999R WSBK crankcases (which were also sandcast) had the swingarm pivot hole oval-shaped right off the bat, that allowed the teams to use various "keys" in the frames to locate the pivot at different heights to change geometry and thereby increase traction.
I really don't like the idea of ovaling the the swingarm axle hole, reliability is a big deal for me: a bike I can't trust is worthless to me. Besides I think it would make more sense to cut off the bottom of the SBK frame and get rid of the holes. Basically end up with something similar to the S*r Monster frame.
Quote from: j v on June 07, 2011, 12:52:49 PM
hopefully this helps some and restores hope!
Thanks for the support, much appreciated! [thumbsup] However, according to my wife, I'm too stubborn to give up, so that won't be an issue. [laugh]
Those eccentrics look nice, but at least to my eye they won't work with the 2V swap (at least not in my case). The pivot point isn't located in the center of the eccentric.
Also...ovaling the case holes isn't going to affect reliability (if done correctly!) Then again, to do it correctly you've got to pull the cases apart, which will end up costing you at least 1500 to put it back together...
I'd love to sell you my frame (btw, I gave you the wrong price, $900 with, $800 w/o), but if I were you I'd just hack off the bottom part of the frame and run it like a monster frame.
Get yourself a 1000ds arm, get the billet valve cover/shock mount from kamna, and go!
Quote from: TAftonomos on June 07, 2011, 01:32:41 PM
Also...ovaling the case holes isn't going to affect reliability (if done correctly!) Then again, to do it correctly you've got to pull the cases apart, which will end up costing you at least 1500 to put it back together...
I'd love to sell you my frame (btw, I gave you the wrong price, $900 with, $800 w/o), but if I were you I'd just hack off the bottom part of the frame and run it like a monster frame.
Get yourself a 1000ds arm, get the billet valve cover/shock mount from kamna, and go!
I already have a 996 swingarm and wheels, so I'd rather keep those. I have thought about just cutting off the bottom of the frame, but I think it would take away stiffness from the whole. BTW, do you know if a 996 swingarm & shock will fit a 999 frame?
Swingarm, yes. Shock can be made to work fairly inexpensively.
why not cut off the mounts on the frame and have a shop reweld it at the correct position for you? seems like the simpler solution to me, unless I'm missing something?
Massimo, might have a welding contact for you.
Quote from: ChrisH on June 09, 2011, 08:50:55 AM
why not cut off the mounts on the frame and have a shop reweld it at the correct position for you? seems like the simpler solution to me, unless I'm missing something?
Just a couple weeks of grief... [bang]
I've checked with a few local shops, but I haven't found one that is capable (needs a jig) and willing to do the work. Otherwise, yes it would be the best solution.
Quote from: Artful on June 09, 2011, 09:25:35 AM
Massimo, might have a welding contact for you.
Beer shall flow un-impeded! [drink]
Unless I'm mistaken by what's in the picture, the jig is already installed.
Quote from: Speeddog on June 09, 2011, 01:23:38 PM
Unless I'm mistaken by what's in the picture, the jig is already installed.
Bingo.
^^ just show it to a good fabricator and he'll make it cake. just make sure you dont modify it to the point where you cant remove the side cases without droping the motor.
Get the beer ready, my welder says he can do it no problem.
Quote from: Artful on June 09, 2011, 06:18:24 PM
Get the beer ready, my welder says he can do it no problem.
(http://www.newsrealblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/free-MrBurnsExcellent.gif)
Quote from: The Mad King Pepe' on June 07, 2011, 01:27:57 PMwhen will I find out that something doesn't fit? ???
That's easy. You'll find out it doesn't fit, when it doesn't fit. ;D
Yup...
You don't know what you don't know. ;D
1) Things you know that you know.
2) Things you know that you don't know.
3) Things you don't know that you don't know.
4. Things you don't know that you do know
That's not accurate - those would be "discoveries" or "remembering" (1 or 3)
When I've had a welder modify an engine mount on a bike frame for me, I took the motor and frame to him and he used the engine as the jig which is what the others are implying. Soud work fine. Far cheaper then buying a new engine to swap parts around.
I dig your build and can't wait to see the progress.
Quote from: ChrisH on June 11, 2011, 06:39:24 AM
When I've had a welder modify an engine mount on a bike frame for me, I took the motor and frame to him and he used the engine as the jig which is what the others are implying. Soud work fine. Far cheaper then buying a new engine to swap parts around.
I dig your build and can't wait to see the progress.
Thanks! [thumbsup]
And here is a little update:
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/fitting_01.jpg)
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/fitting_02.jpg)
The hardest part was holding the blade parallel to the engine cases and (obviously) I f***ed up a bit so I had to sand it down to make it flat. Now there's about 1/8" clearance (total) so I'll make some shims for everything to fit nicely.
Next stop is the garage of a friend of Artful's who will do some cut and paste with the frame. So if everything goes to hell, you know who to blame! [evil] [laugh]
Quote from: The Mad King Pepe' on June 19, 2011, 05:23:20 PM
So if everything goes to hell, you know who to blame! [evil] [laugh]
No one but yourself? ;D
Nice gravel.
Finally time for an update, but first of all thanks where due: Ted - Artful, you're the man! [thumbsup]
So I got the frame and engine back and it's just sweeeeeeeeeeet ;D ;D ;D ;D I started putting things together this morning and here she is (one on the right).
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I also got a couple of S2r headers (the bends just off the heads) and the stock horizontal header fits nicely on my vertical head (just out of the way of the rear shock)
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Sorry for the crappy cell phone pics, I'll take better ones when I have the time .... eventually I'll stop wrenching long enough [laugh] [laugh]
Now back to work: I need to take the swingarm off again so I can measure for the shims and I'll need to make a few for the steering hub as well.
rockin!
[thumbsup]
Looking good! Enjoying the progress [thumbsup]
I'm late to the party, but this is coming along nicely.
Looking forward to seeing more develop.
Thanks all!
Here's a few more photos, this is my workshop, I was making spacers for the swingarm.
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And the handlebar risers are next
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Some white anti-rust primer and the carbs are on as well.
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Finally I decided to put the gas tank on, just for kicks. Immediately I thought hmm bobber! [laugh]
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You're going with a monster tank? What happened with the SBK tank?
Quote from: DRKWNG on July 11, 2011, 03:52:59 AM
You're going with a monster tank? What happened with the SBK tank?
The SBK tank was/is upstaris. The monster tank was sitting on the ground sad and lonely. [cheeky] [laugh]
Since I'm not using the SBK airbox, I need to make a braket to connect the pin on the front of the tank to the frame before I can put it on the bike. Then it's time for the rear subframe and I'll need to figure out where I want to put the battery (the Shorai). I'm thinking either above the vertical cylinder (stock monster position), or above the horizontal head (and below the air filters), or maybe back in the tail (some re-wiring may be necessary... :-\ hmm Italians and electicity).
Pepe ... What year 900 motor did you use that did not line up with the 748 frame ... or was your 748 frame a 2000 and newer ..???
I am looking at using 1998 944, balanced / blue printed, v1 v2 heads, ported, larger intake and exhaust valves, ST2 cams, 41mm flatslides, and a STM slipper clutch .. 92HP dynoed at the rearwheel .. 1996-1998 ..916/748 frame and swingarm..
all 600/750/800/900/1000 2v motors will not line up in any 748-916-996-998 frame.
So i see that the 916 cases have the SSSA axle hole in the low position .... so .. questions.
1. if i use a 749 / 999 frame .. will this allow me to use the 900 motor, being it has the OBLONG holes ... if so .. 916 SSSA or S2R swing are .... what shock rocker or adjustablerod do i use .... and lastly .... the if i michine the Left and Right side of 900 engine cases .... is there needle bearings or something in the case that far to help support SSSA axle ..?? all your knowledgeand advice is welcome .. Matt in NC
you still have to machine the cases to be narrower in order to fit the swingarm between the cases and the frame.
The 2 valve engines (Monster & SuperSport) have needle bearings inside the engine cases. The superbikes have the bearings inside the swingarm so the engine cases are hollow. There were actually 2 pairs of needle bearings on each side in my engine cases. The outer ones got trashed when I cut through the cases, the inner pair are still there. I just put some grease on them before sliding the axle in.
A 749 / 999 frame has oblong (oval-like) holes for the swingarm axle so you don't need to cut & paste the frame to make it fit, however yes,
Quote from: j v on July 17, 2011, 10:07:21 AM
you still have to machine the cases to be narrower in order to fit the swingarm between the cases and the frame.
I'm using the stock rear suspension setup that goes with the 748 / 916 / 996 gen frame and swingarm. I think I could have used a 749 / 999 swingarm as well since the layout is pretty much the same.
I Taft has some parts for a 2V setup in the for sale section: http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=50355.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=50355.0) He has the swingarm axle with the offset washers so you might want to jump on those if you go for the 749 / 999 frame (he has that as well, btw).
If you want to use a 748 / 996 frame then I would suggest buying a set of sbk cases and doing an engine swap so you don't need to cut and paste the frame and narrow the cases. In the long term it's less work and a better overall fit.
Good luck with the project!
Quote from: The Mad King Pepe' on July 17, 2011, 11:46:50 AM
If you want to use a 748 / 996 frame then I would suggest buying a set of sbk cases and doing an engine swap so you don't need to cut and paste the frame and narrow the cases. In the long term it's less work and a better overall fit.
Good luck with the project!
+1. This is what I'm doing. If you search (I believe in Tech), you'll find posts where I discovered similar troubles, and found superbike cases with the same cylinder-stud spacing to make it possible to drop cylinders/heads directly on to 'em. (Either 900 era cylinders/heads or 1000/1100/DS cylinders/heads)
^ we should probably write a how-to 2V sbk for the tutorials section [laugh]
here's a bit of an update for me. made myself an undertail of 7075-T6 alu.
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and found a nice carbon fiber hugger on CL. I also got a little bored waiting for parts so I decided to paint the clutch pressure plate gold [laugh]
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Since the horizontal header off a S2r fit nicely I decided to see if the rest of the exhaust would fit as well, and it's a negative.
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Sorry for the dark photo, essentially the udder is too tall for the SBK swingarm. I might be able to fabricate some lowering brackets to get it to fit, tho.
If the brackets don't work I'll just return it to the original owner (thanks Jim, you can have your exhaust back now, it's almost like when you gave it to me.... [laugh]).
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My plan is showing up at the muffler shop with the bike and a bunch of bits (s2r / hym flange, 748 flange, the half system installed and the two intermediary pipes). You "must" have the thing pretty close to assembled to show them how tight the clearance is between the shock spring and the header's intermediary pipe + flange on the vertical cylinder. Ducati left little wiggle-room
I need to shoot some pics of mine in current form - I am headed towards making what i'd like to call the 1079/1123cc "RS" - using bits of factory corse parts where possible. (as in 748RS - the race homologation bikes, not like S4rs showroom floor models)... Dreaming big, I know. Gotta long way to go
Quote from: j v on July 17, 2011, 01:45:04 PM
I need to shoot some pics of mine in current form
Yes you do!!
not so awesome yet - no front fairing still.
But, the carbon headlight bucket is gone, this'll be track-only or using only a projector-type headlight somewhere. The front fairing-bracket is the carbon fiber "RS" type with the much 'shorter' ears to mount the front fairing. Likewise, the front of the air runners no longer attach to the headlight bucket but instead have the posts and bunjee-cord setup from the RS bikes. What's not "RS" (yet) is the airbox/air-runners, which are Sebimoto carbon versions of the OEM parts - still using the clip-retainers in the airbox to attach the air-runners, and the associated small OEM opening at the airbox as well as at the 'fairing'/mouth end. The goal is to change those bits to the Q/R setup from the RS bikes if I can find a good condition 3-piece airbox and the RH air runner (I already have a Carbon Dream left-hand air runner, just need the right-hand one).
Motor-wise, the 749 crankcases are in the frame, but are still empty. I stuck the LH and RH case covers on there for 'mock-up' purposes (and probably more so to get some shelf space back). The cylinders and heads are still MIA, but the 1100DS base gaskets are on there, which is a nice way to remind myself that it can all be made to work.
I have decided to move the 6-bolt wheel from my Monster over to the 2vSBK project and have some 15mm-offset/6-bolt carrier'd rotors done up for it (its got the 1098/1198 forks on it). So, while there's nothing doing with regards to front brakes just yet, at least the front wheel and back wheel will match - BST 5-spokers (6" rear)
SO, to sum it up, what's left looks like this:
Motor-wise:
Crank/Rods/Pistons
Cylinders/Heads/Cams/Valves
Layshaft, Trans Drum, Trans & Gears 1, Trans & Gears 2
Flywheel, Stator, Magneto, Regulator/Rectifier
Gears: Primary, Driven, Layshaft-Timing, Crank-Timing, Sprag, Oil Pump, Intermediary, Starter
Coils, Plugs, Wires, ECU, Throttle-Bodies, V-Stacks+Filters and/or some carbon/fiberglass re-molding so 748/9*6 airbox bottom mutated for 2v's offset TB's
Body:
RS 996 Underseat (Big-Volume) Breather Box (I know, kind of motor related)
RS 748 Subframe Seat Bracket
Racing Front Fairing (Big air-runner style if I can get the necessary other bits)
Chassis/Suspension/Brakes:
Sell the DucShop 30mm 848 triple clamps in favor of the adjustable offset IMA Special Parts triple clamps
Front Brake Master Cylinder, 100mm Radial Calipers, Rotors
200mm Corsa-type rear rotor
man, when i type it all out, it looks like I have miles to go... Really the engine part isn't that bad. Go grab a totaled M/HYM's 1100DS motor and take everything out of it that I want, sell the rest.
Been having a long spell of being absent from my garage - I take the Bar in about a week and a half. Then I'm moving. So it'll be awhile longer before I can tinker some more. I took the exhaust pipes off my Monster in February or March, still haven't made time to put them back on. Now with average highs around 105 in DFW, I dare not go out in my detached, un-air-conditioned garage except for the several daily checks to make sure everything is still there, nothing has spontaneously combusted.
Wow! Sounds like you have a lot more time/energy/thought/money in yours than my project. Really need to pick it up again and start working on it, that's why I subscribe to all these threads, motivation to get off the couch and go out into the 100 degree garage and wrench. As it sits, motor out of the pic:
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meh, I don't know about thought. My plan is kind of like copying the RS bikes - where i can, if I can find it, and within reason.
The RS bikes kind of epitomize the heritage, passion and allure of Ducati in my eyes - these bikes used the most ridiculous stuff available at the time ...and I think, in some respects, still more exotic than what is ridden and raced [at lower levels] with the 1098R/1198R...
The 748-916-996-998 bikes (and the 999RS for that matter, which had a section of the frame that was removable to facilitate access to the vertical head) got some pretty exotic equipment by even today's standards - such as magnesium triple clamps and swingarms, undertail reservoirs to expand crankcase volume, total-loss charging systems, adjustable brake caliper mounting for different size rotors, rotor cooling ducts and enclosures, multi-piece airboxes with quickly removable panels to access the vertical head and to remove the air runners, coolant tank relocation to enlarge the airbox, etc
I believe the 848/1098/1198's lack of higher-spec 848 models, or factory 'crazy' parts reflects on the economies of the countries that are the 'primary consumers' / world economy. People were buying up gonzo parts for the 748-9*6-998 bikes with reckless abandon apparently. That's definitely not the case with the 1098/1198 series.
Quote from: desmo916sp on July 17, 2011, 07:09:28 AM
Pepe ... What year 900 motor did you use that did not line up with the 748 frame ... or was your 748 frame a 2000 and newer ..???
I am looking at using 1998 944, balanced / blue printed, v1 v2 heads, ported, larger intake and exhaust valves, ST2 cams, 41mm flatslides, and a STM slipper clutch .. 92HP dynoed at the rearwheel .. 1996-1998 ..916/748 frame and swingarm..
Are you using short or stock, long manifolds?
I have the Long manifolds on the 41mmFS carbs / open air box K/N filter ..
OK i know i am by no means a prolevel rider (unless you mean in my own imagination) .. but if you adjust the swingarm / frame swingarm axle bolt holder pieces (i think that is the technical name for it) up that 1/2 inch .. won't that put all the Shock length / ride height rod length / suspension rocker off .. effecting rake and trail..???
Pepe ... do you have a good side view pic of your bike right now .. with the monster tank on it and how much room you have under it for the wiring and such ..??
Quote from: desmo916sp on July 17, 2011, 10:43:29 PM
I have the Long manifolds on the 41mmFS carbs / open air box K/N filter ..
OK i know i am by no means a prolevel rider (unless you mean in my own imagination) .. but if you adjust the swingarm / frame swingarm axle bolt holder pieces (i think that is the technical name for it) up that 1/2 inch .. won't that put all the Shock length / ride height rod length / suspension rocker off .. effecting rake and trail..???
No - these bikes have adjustable ride rods - you dial it back to correct for changes in rear axle length, etc.
But yes, it is a geometry change, so does this geometry change affect the way the bike handles?
Yes, but. If you search on oval swingarm pivots, you'll find posts where the 999RS/WSBK actually used higher drilled locating keys for the swingarm pivot in order to gain traction and had the cases made where the swingarm pivot hole was elongated to allow for such adjustments.
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J V ... I get the whole ride hieght adjustability thing and yes i even understand about the rear axle goes up and down with rotation when you adjust the chain ( I owned a 916 for 6 years ) so i guess 1/2 inch up in the middle ( over entire wheelbase ) i guess it isn't that big in the end.. also ... any chance of using a s2r swingarm on a 916 frame .. i see the shock point is differant and th eride height rods too .. so will it work ?? with out having a unubtainium rocker built..?
That I do not know - you would have to modify the frame (cut off the swingarm pivot portion)... Frame has to be modified anyhow to allow for offset placement of 2v Throttle Bodies / Carburetors, so that may not be such a big deal for you.
Quote from: j v on July 18, 2011, 04:33:30 AM
No - these bikes have adjustable ride rods - you dial it back to correct for changes in rear axle length, etc.
+1 on that. You compensate for the different height by adjusting the rear shock rod.
The wiring loom will fit without a problem, the main thing for me is to figure out where to put the battery and the coils. I have a Shorai battery, which is about half the volume of the stock one, so it'll be easier to place. I have pod filters (K&N RU-1750) instead of an airbox, so I should be able to use the space under the tank.
Quote from: desmo916sp on July 18, 2011, 05:27:23 AM
J V ... I get the whole ride hieght adjustability thing and yes i even understand about the rear axle goes up and down with rotation when you adjust the chain ( I owned a 916 for 6 years ) so i guess 1/2 inch up in the middle ( over entire wheelbase ) i guess it isn't that big in the end.. also ... any chance of using a s2r swingarm on a 916 frame .. i see the shock point is differant and th eride height rods too .. so will it work ?? with out having a unubtainium rocker built..?
It's more like 1/4 of an inch over the whole lenght, but anyway yes it's not a big deal.
As for the swingarms, it will not work unless you cut off the lower part of the SBK frame (the same part I had moved up to fit the holes), the S2r swingarm is wider (to fit the wider 2V engine cases). I don't know if a special rocker would work, I think you would have to move the rocker hinge from the right side (Monsters) to the left side (SBK). In my opinion, if you're using a SBK frame, you should use a SBK swingarm as well.
oh I cant wait to see this done. The hard efforts and delays are going to be well worth it. Patience will get you thru.
Few bits and pieces came through the mail today: spacers for the speedo drive, 46 & 41 mm socket tool, bar end mirrors and spacers for the top triple.
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Still I needed to machine the spacer so it would fit correctly: 2mm from the center and from the top. Well ..... very approximately 2mm [laugh]
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And the triples now fit nicely! Forks and wheel will go on next. ;D
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In the meanwhile I need to figure out what filters to use. The K&N RU-1750 that worked with the monster don't fit due to the shape of the gas tank and the front pivot. I've cut down the flange as much as possible but it's still a no-go. [thumbsdown]
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The tank should almost lay on the frame, but the pod filters lift it by a couple centimeters. I still have not decided if I want to make a bracket for the front tank hinge or if I'll just cut up a stock airbox to fit my needs. :-\
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looks like you are running long intake runners? would shorter ones give you the clearance you need?
I have the stock M900 (M750, M600, SS.....) intake runners. Shorter ones would help fit the pod filters but a pair of these
RU-2780 (http://store.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=RU-2780) work as well.
Quote from: Raux on July 20, 2011, 10:03:58 PM
looks like you are running long intake runners? would shorter ones give you the clearance you need?
By intake runners, are you describing the intake manifolds? Short ones would require split-singles. It would be bad ass, but those carbs are quite expensive. (Says the guy wishing he had money in his piggy bank for some)
PS. Your IMA Special Parts triples look delicious. But question - what was the need for the spacer?
Quote from: j v on July 21, 2011, 07:13:11 AM
By intake runners, are you describing the intake manifolds? Short ones would require split-singles. It would be bad ass, but those carbs are quite expensive. (Says the guy wishing he had money in his piggy bank for some)
It's not just the cost of buying them, but also the added hassle of maintaining split carbs (synch & split cables) for a few more HP at the top. Not worth it for me since this will be more of a daily rider than a track only beast.
Quote from: j v on July 21, 2011, 07:14:11 AM
PS. Your IMA Special Parts triples look delicious. But question - what was the need for the spacer?
The rod is too tall, so with the head nuts tightened down there were still a couple millimeters of space.
In this photo, the spacer is under the bottom nut (the pair under the top triple). The spacer pushes down on the seal over the top steering head bearing. I also got rid of the elliptic spacers steering stops on the bottom triple since they didn't fit well and the bolts by themselves work just fine and give me all the steering I can want. For what it's worth I have no issue whatsoever with IMA and their work, I didn't even bother to contact them over this because I figured it would just be a small fix. [thumbsup]
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Ah. The longer stem is likely the non-adjustable steering head superbike model - I believe they are longer than the eccentric-adjustable one. Somebody with more knowledge could verify that.
I currently have a set of 30mm DucShop triples on my 748 project - they are 848 triples (both fixed steering head models - mine being what I would call a 748"E" frame, rather than an S or R). They have the same type eccentric adjustable steering stops. Its a bit finicky to dial in, and I've come to learn some of the superbike guys that are track only don't use them at all - steering stops - and if they are not 'unboltable' as in the DucShop and IMA designs, they either grind them off of the frame or off of the lower triple
Made this bracket out of a sheet of aluminium. It bolts down on the frame and the pint on the front of the gas tank goes into the hole.
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Right now I placed the battery (Shorai 14) behind the steering hub, tho this might not be its final position.
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/battery_carbs.jpg)
Looks pretty clean from the side [thumbsup]
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/half_left_2.jpg)
Forks (thanks Yosso), front wheel, risers and handle bars are finally on. Still waiting on the rotors and the spacer for the front axle.
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/front_1.jpg)
I'm loving the way it's coming along [thumbsup]
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/rear_three_quart_3.jpg)
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/rear_three_quart_5.jpg)
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/rear_three_quart_4.jpg)
Not going with clip ons? Don't know why, but I thought you were...
No S2R swingarm...?
Quote from: DRKWNG on July 27, 2011, 08:14:54 PM
Not going with clip ons? Don't know why, but I thought you were...
I expect to see the clip on clamps without the handlebar tubes on the forks below the triple for easier conversion for when he takes it to the track...pops the controls off the handlebar and onto clip on bars, slides into place, and takes the handle bar off...done in 20 mins! (unless he has had a beer or few beforehand)
Quote from: DRKWNG on July 27, 2011, 08:14:54 PM
Not going with clip ons? Don't know why, but I thought you were...
Nope not a chance, at least on the street, my wrists would kill me. :'(
Quote from: 2-Skinny on July 27, 2011, 08:48:02 PM
No S2R swingarm...?
Nope not a chance. ;D I'm using a SBK frame, so it make more sense to use a SBK swingarm. Fitting the S2r / S4r swingarms would require cutting off the lower part of the frame and I would also have to figure out where to move the pegs and which kind to use...
Quote from: zooom on July 28, 2011, 04:31:27 AM
I expect to see the clip on clamps without the handlebar tubes on the forks below the triple for easier conversion for when he takes it to the track...pops the controls off the handlebar and onto clip on bars, slides into place, and takes the handle bar off...done in 20 mins! (unless he has had a beer or few beforehand)
I'm looking for some 748 / 996 2-piece clipons so I wouldn't have to take off the top triple, but I'm not in a rush to get that done.
Quote from: The Mad King Pepe' on July 28, 2011, 05:35:33 AM
I'm looking for some 748 / 996 2-piece clipons so I wouldn't have to take off the top triple, but I'm not in a rush to get that done.
any standard clip-on bracket can be installed at this stage and be positionable where it interferes with nothing...when ready...you can simply insert the handlebar tube and tighten it down and be done, pretty much just as I suggested above...
Quote from: zooom on July 28, 2011, 06:12:55 AM
any standard clip-on bracket can be installed at this stage and be positionable where it interferes with nothing...when ready...you can simply insert the handlebar tube and tighten it down and be done, pretty much just as I suggested above...
Dos Equis: The Most Interesting Man in the World on Rollerblading (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRVWuTlU_Tc#normal)
Quote from: The Mad King Pepe' on July 28, 2011, 05:35:33 AM
I'm looking for some 748 / 996 2-piece clipons so I wouldn't have to take off the top triple, but I'm not in a rush to get that done.
50 or 53 mm?
53mm.
Like so?
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woodcraft has the 2-piece mount.
Does anyone know where to get quick disconnects for SBK tanks? I think I might have seen them on the more recent bikes but I'm not sure... If possible I'd like to get one to fit a M10x1.25mm
Quote from: Raux on July 28, 2011, 01:18:35 PM
woodcraft has the 2-piece mount.
Thanks I'll keep that in mind when I start shopping.
Quote from: Buckethead on July 28, 2011, 09:57:38 AM
Like so?
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Exactomundo! ;D
Quote from: The Mad King Pepe' on July 28, 2011, 02:18:11 PM
Does anyone know where to get quick disconnects for SBK tanks? I think I might have seen them on the more recent bikes but I'm not sure... If possible I'd like to get one to fit a M10x1.25mm
are you talking fuel line? there are brass one's available. I think motowheels http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myProducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=1054%7CMonster%20Engine%20%26%20Performance&productID=3492&showDetail=1&categoryID=1079 (http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myProducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=1054%7CMonster%20Engine%20%26%20Performance&productID=3492&showDetail=1&categoryID=1079)
Quote from: Raux on July 28, 2011, 02:26:30 PM
are you talking fuel line? there are brass one's available. I think motowheels http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myProducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=1054%7CMonster%20Engine%20%26%20Performance&productID=3492&showDetail=1&categoryID=1079 (http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myProducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=1054%7CMonster%20Engine%20%26%20Performance&productID=3492&showDetail=1&categoryID=1079)
like those: metal disconnects or quick releases! thanks. [thumbsup]
Thanks, you'll also have to accept some beer if you come up this way! [thumbsup]
Quote from: Buckethead on July 28, 2011, 02:43:28 PM
PM me your shipping address.
Quote from: Raux on July 28, 2011, 02:26:30 PM
are you talking fuel line? there are brass one's available. I think motowheels http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myProducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=1054%7CMonster%20Engine%20%26%20Performance&productID=3492&showDetail=1&categoryID=1079 (http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myProducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=1054%7CMonster%20Engine%20%26%20Performance&productID=3492&showDetail=1&categoryID=1079)
Pretty sure those are pipe thread....Pepe', you said M10x1.25?
Quote from: Speeddog on July 28, 2011, 03:47:05 PM
Pretty sure those are pipe thread....Pepe', you said M10x1.25?
Oh, yes sir I did.
The fuel outlet screws (banjo bolts? or whatever they're called) are M12 x 1.25, but I'm interested in the M10x1.25 screw that plugs the hole used to drain the tank. If I can use that one to pull gas then I don't need to deal with all the parts that sit on top of the flange.
I know I'll pull more dirt as well, but the fuel filter will take care of that and I'll just change it more often. [thumbsup]
Quote from: The Mad King Pepe' on July 28, 2011, 03:34:59 PM
Thanks, you'll also have to accept some beer if you come up this way! [thumbsup]
You drive a hard bargain. [drink]
Few more goodies in the mail ;D
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-0SNU9Jt7IJ0/TjNQBxa5QzI/AAAAAAAAAbk/4PuQ_oEb0OQ/s800/2011-07-29%25252020.03.06.jpg)
Got some work done:
999 forks, wheel, rotors and (most importantly) spacer are all on and happy together.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-LzYnnHTaxFc/TjQB7TVU2UI/AAAAAAAAAcI/WolwGGQzuF0/s800/2011-07-30%25252007.30.50.jpg)
Bit of bling for the clutch. 8) But I still need to paint the frame... :-[
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-uAVvp6sgrjA/TjPzmiPlJUI/AAAAAAAAAb4/gSibETkx63c/s800/2011-07-30%25252007.58.28.jpg)
Made a new bracket for the gas tank. With the old one, the tank was resting only on its pin in the front. I made a new bracket with the pin slot a little higher so I could put a couple of rubber spacers under the front. [thumbsup]
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-m9_r9iu_868/TjYDIqbGgwI/AAAAAAAAAc0/bvi7wXqIeKU/s800/2011-07-31%25252017.33.17.jpg)
The battery is still up front, but I think I'll move it under the tank.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Z40duvxnbqo/TjYDSO900gI/AAAAAAAAAcw/uBOJRxq3YGE/s800/2011-07-31%25252017.32.54.jpg)
Headlight, front fender, and a few more bits are on the way, I'll update during the week. ;D
Little update here, I got a M10 x 1.25 banjo bolt and a fitting to go with it. I'm taking the pump, filter etc out of the tank and pulling gas from the fitting.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dfcINCLxJC0/TjdTydUyoSI/AAAAAAAAAc4/TLxosKuJR7E/s800/2011-08-01%25252021.31.27.jpg)
Right now the original out reroutes straight into the return, but I'll eventually replace those with a couple of bolts. Or replace the whole bottom plate with something else....
Lookin' good!
Quote from: Syscrush on August 04, 2011, 08:05:48 AM
Lookin' good!
Quote from: Buckethead on July 28, 2011, 05:37:06 PM
You drive a hard bargain. [drink]
Thanks and Thanks!
For some reason I've always liked the look of the V-Rod headlight and here it is.
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/headlight_clips.jpg)
There's also a trail tech vapor on the way and some more bits.
Almost there! ;D ;D ;D ;D
What's missing: wiring, trail tech vapor, rear cowl + light + license plate bracket, front rotors and exhaust (the only thing I can't do >:().
(http://www.codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/almost_there_3_md.jpg)
(http://www.codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/almost_there_2_md.jpg)
(http://www.codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/almost_there_1_md.jpg)
(http://www.codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/almost_there_4_md.jpg)
(http://www.codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/almost_there_5_md.jpg)
[thumbsup]
[clap] [clap] [clap]
thats looking bad ass!!! are you going to use clip-ons or use the bars that are mounted?
[evil]
Everything looks great! Except carbon fender and that headlight.... I think a round traditional headlight and paint fender white...
Otherwise [thumbsup]
I'd leave the carbon as it is.
shouldn't you title this
"Bianca aka, my take on a sbk-framed Monster"
Quote from: Raux on August 21, 2011, 07:06:11 AM
shouldn't you title this
"Bianca aka, my take on a sbk-framed Monster"
;D
I really, really like it.......can't wait to see the end product
Thanks all for the positive comments. This is the first (of many and many) part of my project and I just want to get the bike running and road legal.
Once that's taken care of I will need to have her properly painted and powder coated. I think I will stick with the white theme, but that might change if I find something I really like... :-X
After that it will be time for some engine bits and then who knows... the sky (ehm, the money) is the limit! ;D
And this pretty much puts a wrap on the front end. ;D
(http://www.codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/complete_front.jpg)
I'll have fun with the wiring this weekend and hopefully wrap it up. I have to say: I love the simplicity of the electrical wiring of the older Ducatis vs. crazy spaghetti on the newer ones.
Been thinking about what to do with the exhaust... I'm tempted to do something similar to the Zard or Kaemna systems.
This is going to be so beautifully silly. [thumbsup]
Quote from: DRKWNG on August 26, 2011, 03:19:24 AM
This is going to be so beautifully silly. [thumbsup]
It already is! >:(
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Keep it up man! Lookin' great! [thumbsup]
Been having fun with my dremel, cutting aluminium and making spacers out of M6 nuts. What for? Keep reading! 8)
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/dremel_01.jpg)
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/dremel_02.jpg)
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/dremel_03.jpg)
This little bracket took me a while to get right. It's made of 4 7075-T6 aluminium plates shaped to mount the muffler under the engine. I use three bolts in the bottom of the engine to hold the bracket in place, which in turn holds the muffler.
I'm using the mufflers from an S2r, but not the udder, for now. The top muffler fits pretty well, but I'm still figuring out the fitment of the lower one. Essentially clearance and exhaust gas direction (I don't want to melt the rear tire [bang]). We'll see how this works out...
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/exhaust_01.jpg)
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/exhaust_02.jpg)
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/exhaust_03.jpg)
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/exhaust_04.jpg)
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/exhaust_05.jpg)
desmosedici style exhaust?
cool [thumbsup]
that thing is vicious man. love that front end/headlight. LSL?
YOU'RE MAD! MAD I SAY!
(http://www.bearotic.com/img/2009/03/vanity-fair-paul-rudd-frankenstein.jpg)
Seriously, this build makes me smile every time I see progress. [thumbsup]
why don't you use the flat side of the muffler against the motor for some ground clearance?
Quote from: The Mad King Pepe' on September 06, 2011, 09:01:57 PM
I'm using the mufflers from an S2r, but not the udder, for now. The top muffler fits pretty well, but I'm still figuring out the fitment of the lower one. Essentially clearance and exhaust gas direction (I don't want to melt the rear tire [bang]). We'll see how this works out...
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/exhaust_05.jpg)
Love the idea.
It looks a bit tight between the rear end and the rear tire though... you sure you'll have enough room when the rear shock is compressed? Maybe a flatter exhaust would fit better underseat, ala H Comp (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=41219.0)...
Quote from: uglyducky on September 06, 2011, 09:38:24 PM
that thing is vicious man. love that front end/headlight. LSL?
Harley V-Rod! ;D
Quote from: jvax on September 06, 2011, 09:57:16 PM
Love the idea.
It looks a bit tight between the rear end and the rear tire though... you sure you'll have enough room when the rear shock is compressed? Maybe a flatter exhaust would fit better underseat, ala H Comp (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=41219.0)...
Thanks, but I'm not really concerned about that because I only ride very slow. 8) Ehm... no, that's not what I meant. [laugh] The clearance shouldn't be an issue there since on the 916 the exhaust hangs right under the seat. If things get tight I can either shorten the bracket, make it flex to move the muffler further out, or just move the can to the outside.
Quote from: Raux on September 06, 2011, 09:51:22 PM
why don't you use the flat side of the muffler against the motor for some ground clearance?
That was sort of the idea. However getting the exhaust to lay flat is harder than it seems due to where the bolts screw in to the mufflers. I'm still looking for a better solution, some clamps and possibly some carbon cans.
Quote from: The Mad King Pepe' on September 07, 2011, 05:04:46 AM
That was sort of the idea. However getting the exhaust to lay flat is harder than it seems due to where the bolts screw in to the mufflers. I'm still looking for a better solution, some clamps and possibly some carbon cans.
carbon 916 style SBK cans with the strap hangers for them ( possible rebent for repositioning of intended bolting) should be flat/oval enough to give you the clearance in both positions while still giving you the sound and parts availability you'de prefer.
I swapped the cans and this looks like the final layout. Caveat: for the time being... [evil]
Despite the looks there is actually plenty of clearance for the muffler under the engine. I took the bike off the stands and leaned it to the side to about 45 deg and there were about 4-5 inches between the can and the ground.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-slB9ANUyUdU/TnNPUA4ciZI/AAAAAAAAAek/eOS1xrfQzVs/s800/horiz_01.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7tvfhs8xspg/TnNPTsRVEFI/AAAAAAAAAec/_y3nS0oyszY/s800/horiz_02.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-MIoZfMLyqsE/TnNPN7j9_nI/AAAAAAAAAeQ/RaURqva5A3U/s800/vert_02.jpg)
The two dangling yellow wires need to be connected to the alternator (older 2-phase system) and other than wiring up the Vapor, I'm pretty much done with the electrics! [thumbsup] I still need to figure out what to do with the tail light because I really don't love where it is right now.
It sort of sticks out too much... I'm thinking of cutting off the mount it currently sits on and cleaning up the whole tail section... Oh and I need to 'hide' the wiring better, I don't like how visible it is now. Yea, I'm getting anal [laugh]
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/exhaust_05.jpg)
Since the wiring is in place I decided to hit the starter. I forgot to video the moment [bang] but this is pretty much what it felt like:
"It's Alive!!!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xos2MnVxe-c#)
Looking good man.
The main thing I'd be concerned with, regarding the exhaust, is just remember to negotiate speed bumps in a way that won't rip off that one silencer.
how are you going to get your pipes equal length?
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 16, 2011, 07:03:07 AM
Looking good man.
The main thing I'd be concerned with, regarding the exhaust, is just remember to negotiate speed bumps in a way that won't rip off that one silencer.
Thanks, speed bumps will be a concern for a while. I'm still not entirely sold on this exhaust, but I really liked the idea! I'll be on the lookout for some smaller (and possibly oval) mufflers. I also thought about a layout for the exhaust like on the Streetfighter with both mufflers mounted next to each other on the side but I figured the current system would be easier and faster to get setup.
Quote from: Raux on September 16, 2011, 07:03:35 AM
how are you going to get your pipes equal length?
I'll let the welder have fun with that, but the front/horizontal will likely be a bit shorter than the rear/vertical one.
are you using a SBK tail plastic?....if so, why not use the tailights?!?!?!
Quote from: zooom on September 16, 2011, 07:39:02 AM
are you using a SBK tail plastic?....if so, why not use the tailights?!?!?!
No, I really don't like the tail plastics (or plastic in general). I'll use a thin sheet of 6061-T6 aluminium, that I plan to wrap around the tail section.
Are you re-coating the frame...?
Quote from: 2-Skinny on September 16, 2011, 08:03:37 AM
Are you re-coating the frame...?
No, he was going for "bird shit chic"
Quote from: Artful on September 16, 2011, 08:06:12 AM
Quote from: 2-Skinny on September 16, 2011, 08:03:37 AM
Are you re-coating the frame...?
No, he was going for "bird shit chic"
[laugh]
To do:
- painting the frame
- powder coating the wheels (different color?)
- 944 kit w. new engine bearings
- give the wiring loom a good checkup
- painting the engine (maybe just covers & heads)
- putting in a new hub in the swingarm
- cleaning (painting ?) the swingarm
- new headlight brackets
- redo the exhaust?
- get my hands on an aluminium rear subframe
that's just off the top of my head. Right now I just want to get the bike on the road so I can enjoy some riding before winter comes and I start wrenching on it.
Well done, I am liking your exhaust set up idea. [thumbsup] Had the same similar idea, just no time to get started.
i may swap my aluminum rear subframe for the other ecu type rear subframe, if so, i'll let you know
for the under engine exhaust, measure the suspension travel for full compression (i.e. hitting a bump while on the brakes), find the vertical change to the bike (since forks are at an angle), and take a ruler and see if your exhaust will clear earth still
Quote from: Raux on September 16, 2011, 07:03:35 AM
how are you going to get your pipes equal length?
I think people stress about that too much. If the pipes end up unequal lengths, just say that's to broaden the spread of torque and make the bike more rideable.
Quote from: The Mad King Pepe' on September 16, 2011, 07:32:54 AM
Thanks, speed bumps will be a concern for a while. I'm still not entirely sold on this exhaust, but I really liked the idea! I'll be on the lookout for some smaller (and possibly oval) mufflers.
What about danmoto cans? They seem pretty small.
Quote from: The Mad King Pepe' on September 16, 2011, 08:17:26 AM
No, he was going for "bird shit chic"
[laugh]
To do:
- painting the frame
- powder coating the wheels (different color?)
- 1123 kit w/dp cams w. new bearings
- give the wiring loom a good checkup
- painting the engine (maybe just covers & heads)
- putting in a new hub in the swingarm
- cleaning (painting ?) the swingarm
- new headlight brackets
- redo the exhaust?
- get my hands on an aluminium rear subframe
FIXED! [cheeky]
Quote from: Howley on September 16, 2011, 04:43:46 PM
What about danmoto cans? They seem pretty small.
And cheap to replace if they get thrashed
Quote from: Howley on September 16, 2011, 04:43:46 PM
What about danmoto cans? They seem pretty small.
I've looked into those, there's a thread on the forum. They look cheap and are too loud for my taste, I would not put them on without baffles. [thumbsdown]
Quote from: Düb Lüv on September 16, 2011, 07:51:12 PM
- 1123 kit w/dp cams w. new bearings
FIXED! [cheeky]
I would need a newer DS engine for that, I think it's not practical to go above 944 on the older engines. Thanks for putting a bug in my ear, tho! [evil]
Actually it might be better to (eventually) buy a DS engine than to put a big bore kit in the 900... ;)
Quote from: The Mad King Pepe' on September 17, 2011, 04:46:29 AM
I would need a newer DS engine for that, I think it's not practical to go above 944 on the older engines. Thanks for putting a bug in my ear, tho! [evil]
well, that was my generic attempt in persuading you to pickup a DS motor. i love threads that have inspiring ideas. [thumbsup]
Quote from: Düb Lüv on September 17, 2011, 07:21:47 AM
well, that was my generic attempt in persuading you to pickup a DS motor. i love threads that have inspiring ideas.
No need to persuade me, just send one my way! [laugh]
I'm a clown, I couldn't resist the temptation.... [laugh]
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU3op8lg9FI (//http://)
And here's the exhaust:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1Q9jdUvWVpo/ToX1-HLp35I/AAAAAAAAAes/x7gk9QXCDDM/s800/P1010001.JPG)
so the forward mounting hole on the subframe for the passenger peg stand looks like it be a great place to mount a custom heat shield for that can and pipe.
Quote from: zooom on September 30, 2011, 01:02:06 PM
so the forward mounting hole on the subframe for the passenger peg stand looks like it be a great place to mount a custom heat shield for that can and pipe.
I already planned to wrap the rear header, and if it's not enough I will definitely supplement it with some shielding. However it's getting colder now, so it shouldn't be all that bad.... [laugh]
Tap, tap, tap...you still working on this thing? [laugh]
Quote from: Ducatician on January 22, 2012, 09:51:01 PM
Tap, tap, tap...you still working on this thing? [laugh]
I've been slacking... blame it on the GS! [laugh]
Truth is I need to tear it down to the frame for it to be painted (still not sure about the color). Not really complicated, just a lot of work ... :-\
Quote from: DRKWNG on January 23, 2012, 06:15:55 PM
PINK
Then we shall call it...
THE FLYING PIG!!!
(http://blogs.laweekly.com/squidink/Flying%20Pig%20Logo.jpg)
Airborne bacon delivery. [thumbsup]
Back to work, cutting off some tabs and other carp before sanding and priming.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-x7SGAounCnY/T11bGfjdr9I/AAAAAAAAAh0/TcUTam81rz8/s800/massimo1.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-1BULCHnIRO4/T11bGlPdUDI/AAAAAAAAAhw/95SjmThu5ic/s800/massimo2.jpg)
Quote from: DRKWNG on January 24, 2012, 03:10:14 AM
Airborne bacon delivery. [thumbsup]
I approve of this post... [thumbsup]
[bacon]
Quote from: The Mad King Pepe' on March 11, 2012, 07:36:06 PM
Back to work, cutting off some tabs and other carp before sanding and priming.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-x7SGAounCnY/T11bGfjdr9I/AAAAAAAAAh0/TcUTam81rz8/s800/massimo1.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-1BULCHnIRO4/T11bGlPdUDI/AAAAAAAAAhw/95SjmThu5ic/s800/massimo2.jpg)
it wasn't cold yesterday, so I am guessing you were wearing the Skelington beanie to keep from burning that shiny nugget of yours from sparks of flying burning metal?!?!?!
Cleaning up the frame with some putty: apply, sand, and repeat.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_3zI_wH4Jto/T2U90qtD9tI/AAAAAAAAAjI/n0qY5V0MQjI/s800/2012-03-17%252012.34.23.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-JPPc-pkT9BE/T2U98UPY3uI/AAAAAAAAAjQ/jlQJctpomM8/s800/2012-03-17%252012.34.34.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-0GF8XEq3zfE/T2U-DiGrODI/AAAAAAAAAjY/gov1Xmsx3Qw/s800/2012-03-17%252012.34.41.jpg)
And here's the first layer of paint
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-aaRY5DKjOaw/T2U-NTeFyFI/AAAAAAAAAjg/WsCXL8IqJYc/s800/2012-03-17%252017.02.35.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-WUnhB-RKRoo/T2U-Un3G-fI/AAAAAAAAAjo/9zquahHIUnc/s800/2012-03-17%252017.02.43.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-CU6-ycrR2OI/T2U-jG_fuDI/AAAAAAAAAj4/PVpSov05edA/s800/2012-03-17%252017.03.08.jpg)
[thumbsup]
Nice. Where are you doing this work at?
Joe's Mike's Garage.
Awesome guy, a Rover & Triumph nut. Lots of tools to play with! ;D
Looking good!
Quote from: gwjcat on March 18, 2012, 12:50:47 PM
Looking good!
Thanks, Mr Partner-in-crime! [thumbsup]
you didn't fill in the VIN on the steering head did you?
Quote from: zooom on March 19, 2012, 04:58:38 AM
you didn't fill in the VIN on the steering head did you?
hah,
nearly did! that would have made for some fun moments... [bang] [bang] [bang]
Done painting (still needs a bit of clear coat in some spots) and starting to assemble.
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/almost_01.jpg)
Been having fun with the wiring for Bianca. Since I'm using a Trailtech Vapor I need to figure out where to put the idiot lights. Here's what I came up with... 8)
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/controls_01.jpeg)(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/controls_02.jpeg)
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/controls_03.jpeg)(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/controls_04.jpeg)
Don't know if anyone has done this before, but I think it's a pretty nice fix. LEDs probably wont do much in direct sunlight, but they should be good enough.
I'm placing Neutral on the right side, and Turn, Oil and Charge warning on the left. I might be able to put high beam and low fuel on the left as well.
Looking at the Trail Tech since you mentioned it, was the wiring fairly straightforward? Did it come with all the necessary sensors?
Very nice. Stealthy.
FYI, there are some very bright LEDs out there that would definitely be visible in daylight, although I doubt that they'd actually catch your eye when turning on.
Quote from: 1KDS on May 13, 2012, 06:52:34 PM
Looking at the Trail Tech since you mentioned it, was the wiring fairly straightforward? Did it come with all the necessary sensors?
Good Mr. Artful posted a writeup in tutorials: http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=44219.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=44219.0)
The short answer is yes, with a few caveats:
1. pick the right model since they have different wiring and sensors (I think mine was from a Raptor 600)
2. either you buy their mount for idiot lights or you find your own way to mount them (like me 8))
3. you might have to do some soldering for the RPM signal and the temp.
Quote from: Syscrush on May 14, 2012, 03:28:14 AM
Very nice. Stealthy.
FYI, there are some very bright LEDs out there that would definitely be visible in daylight, although I doubt that they'd actually catch your eye when turning on.
Thanks! I tried a few different LEDs when I installed a Vapor on my M750 and eventually discovered that the only way for them to really be visible was by covering them with a cowl...
Quote from: The Mad King Pepe' on May 14, 2012, 06:56:20 AM
Thanks! I tried a few different LEDs when I installed a Vapor on my M750 and eventually discovered that the only way for them to really be visible was by covering them with a cowl...
And I had some high-intensity 12V LEDs on my SV650 that I had to paint over to keep them from blinding me even in daylight. Of course, the angle/position of the display, individual sensitivity/tolerance etc all play a part. Plus my R/R was dying and I had an overvolt condition for at least part of the time. ;)
I know it's a crappy cell phone video but I don't care: it sounds and looks awesome! ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iYr0rSmSq4# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iYr0rSmSq4#)
I still need to wire head/tail lights, turn signals, bleed the brakes and the clutch and clean up a few more bits. Can't wait! ;D ;D ;D
tease.
"this video is private"
IT LIVES!
Quote from: DRKWNG on May 24, 2012, 01:51:27 AM
You're still a tease.
;D
How about this for a tease, I was on eBay looking for some bits and found these:
- Wossner Pistons 944cc 94mm 13.5:1 (high comp!!!) on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/900ss-Monster-944cc-94mm-13-5-1-Wossner-Pistons-/140550904853?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item20b97c9c15&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/900ss-Monster-944cc-94mm-13-5-1-Wossner-Pistons-/140550904853?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item20b97c9c15&vxp=mtr)
- Or Fast By Ferracci at 96mm -> 984cc and 12:1 (not 960cc as indicated): http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ducati-900-Big-Bore-Piston-Kit-96mm-960cc-/360324597836?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item53e505084c&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ducati-900-Big-Bore-Piston-Kit-96mm-960cc-/360324597836?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item53e505084c&vxp=mtr)
Either would need ST2 liquid cooled sleeves, and some head work... Tempting! [evil] [evil] [evil]
Realistically thinking tho, when I (eventually have the cash and) decide to go for new pistons, I'll probably get something like these (94mm, 944cc, 11.5:1): http://www.ebay.com/itm/JE-PISTONS-157598-DUCATI-1991-2002-900SS-94mm-/290552631451?pt=Race_Car_Parts&hash=item43a649509b&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/JE-PISTONS-157598-DUCATI-1991-2002-900SS-94mm-/290552631451?pt=Race_Car_Parts&hash=item43a649509b&vxp=mtr)
Now you're talking!
Lovin' the build MKP [thumbsup]
But please fix the avatar, or I'll need therapy! [puke] [laugh]
Quote from: koko64 on May 25, 2012, 12:04:31 AM
But please fix the avatar, or I'll need therapy! [puke] [laugh]
Leave him alone would ya? He was born that way.
Quote from: koko64 on May 25, 2012, 12:04:31 AM
But please fix the avatar, or I'll need therapy! [puke] [laugh]
you should see the video that came from....
Quote from: zooom on May 25, 2012, 04:07:28 AM
you should see the video that came from....
or the video my previous avatar came from (NSFW)
'I FINK U FREEKY' by DIE ANTWOORD (Official) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Uee_mcxvrw#)
Zooom, how did this make you think of me?!? ??? [laugh]
Quote from: The Mad King Pepe' on May 25, 2012, 06:04:29 AM
Zooom, how did this make you think of me?!? ??? [laugh]
You really want to see/hear the answer to this question?
;)
Quote from: The Mad King Pepe' on May 25, 2012, 06:04:29 AM
or the video my previous avatar came from (NSFW)
'I FINK U FREEKY' by DIE ANTWOORD (Official) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Uee_mcxvrw#)
Zooom, how did this make you think of me?!? ??? [laugh]
I watched that video. Now I'm waiting for the phone call telling me how long I have to live.
Quote from: DRKWNG on May 25, 2012, 02:21:30 AM
Leave him alone would ya? He was born that way.
[laugh]
Quote from: DucHead on May 25, 2012, 12:48:43 PM
I watched that video. Now I'm waiting for the phone call telling me how long I have to live.
[laugh]
same
ML, now that's an avatar!
MKP, despite your, ahem, condition, you can sure build [thumbsup].
[thumbsup]
had it for like 8 years
Quote from: DucHead on May 25, 2012, 12:48:43 PM
I watched that video. Now I'm waiting for the phone call telling me how long I have to live.
When the phone rings, sing the "Thunder Buddy" song!
Thunder Buddy Song Mark and Ted (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPToy4tHDGk#)
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Headlight on and wired.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-TyqQUwDm5FI/T8EtdbXuI4I/AAAAAAAAA2Y/lhfZQD3bLcs/s800/2012-05-26%252012.56.00.jpg)
and taillight too, but it looks like shit [puke] so I'll have to figure out something better...
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-yPrm8_zkMEo/T8Ic3SFYwaI/AAAAAAAAA3A/ECeeymZ-f2M/s800/2012-05-26%252015.13.40.jpg)
[thumbsup] looks great!
what about the 748 tail light?
btw, can you tell me what kind of fork clamps are you using for the headlight (if it doesn't already comes with the vrod light)
thanks!
Quote from: seanster on May 27, 2012, 07:49:39 AM
[thumbsup] looks great!
what about the 748 tail light?
btw, can you tell me what kind of fork clamps are you using for the headlight (if it doesn't already comes with the vrod light)
thanks!
Thanks!
The 748/916 tail light doesn't do it for me. At least not without the stock tail. But I'm striving for a cleaner, more slender look. We'll see if it works out the way I like.
I use MS21919-DG32 or DG31 clamps from
Aircraft Spruce (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/ms21919clamps2.php). The only problem with them is that the holes need to be enlarged for the bolts to fit (I do it with my dremel). And a piece of 7075 Aluminium cut down to size and painted. [thumbsup]
Need to take care of a few more things, but it's nearly there.
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/in_moto.jpeg)
Almost there! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDkq0T9Q7qQ#)
Looks great. [beer] [clap]
Part Monster, part SBK, part Hypermotard in style.
Awesome!
[clap] [clap] [clap]
Thanks all, took her for a quick spin here's the vid:
primo giro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgmh04_oYms#)
;D ;D ;D
Oh, and I (finally) wrapped the headers for the vertical head.
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/exhaust_wrap_01.jpeg)
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/exhaust_wrap_02.jpeg)
My right thigh is much happier now! [laugh]
Had a bit of an oops about a month ago (my fault, too much front brake) with these consequences:
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/oops_01.jpeg)
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/oops_02.jpeg)
(http://codeherrings.com/images/moto/ducati/speciale/oops_03.jpeg)
Aside from a few bruises and some road rash I'm OK. Bianca is already fixed up, there's a few scars left, but nothing serious. [thumbsup]
Oh, and props to the DC Popo for the zip ties! [clap]
oh man! no!
Hope youre alright!
I'm alright thanks! It was a low speed panic brake grab, which resulted in an endo and Bianca landing on top of me. In the end just lots of [bang] [bang] [bang]
so...what is the status of Bianca now?
OK, just been sitting for a long while. Not exactly riding weather over the past few months, plus I killed the battery in the GS so Bianca had to donate hers.
I plan to clean the carbs and change the oil by the end of April: Bob's BMW will have a Dyno on site and I want to try a few different maps on the TCIP-4. ;D
did you ever get the bike fully repaired from the looper incident?
Yea, the only things that needed replacing were the headlight, brake master pee-cup, and a mirror. She crashes well, especially if she lands on top of me! [laugh]
Quote from: The Mad King Pepe' on March 26, 2013, 06:28:05 AM
She crashes well, especially if she lands on top of me! [laugh]
Guess being fluffy has its use...
aw snap!
Went out riding yesterday.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-aPpwWgSEAsM/UWTLI3GciVI/AAAAAAAABOM/iQ5xsZte1o8/s1362/IMG_20130409_101248_196.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-2hyCgYecuHc/UWTLCbhkb7I/AAAAAAAABOE/AIYVdyJ-TqI/s871/IMG_20130409_101302_848.jpg)
How is Bianca doing? ;D ;D ;D
looks like Bianca can use a lil finishing work....and when you are done....you NEED to do the obligatory picture of Nonna riding that steed!
Quote from: The Mad King Pepe' on September 20, 2012, 08:08:33 PM
Oh, and props to the DC Popo for the zip ties! [clap]
Did you get arrested? [roll] J/K - hit me as ironic, but I guess used as cuffs, or to hold stuff on an ailing bike, they're solving a problem.
Glad you're OK and the pics from your most recent ride look good.
If I put a side car on Bianca, both nonno and nonna would constantly hassle me for a ride! [laugh]
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-9M3X0yYqWf4/UWTII5jsJJI/AAAAAAAABP4/iZ_q8NtlsO8/s871/IMG_20130409_141603_095.jpg)
As for finishing.... I'm thinking of making a carbon fiber tail section! [evil] [laugh] [evil]
Quote from: Fergus on April 10, 2013, 01:53:11 PM
Did you get arrested? [roll] J/K - hit me as ironic, but I guess used as cuffs, or to hold stuff on an ailing bike, they're solving a problem.
Glad you're OK and the pics from your most recent ride look good.
Thanks, and those zip ties are awesome! I released the lock on them with a flat head screw driver and I've kept them just in case (knock on wood!) ;)
Put Bianca on the dyno this past Saturday at Bob's BMW
Bob's BMW dyno run (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqyM0-Btrcw#)
Result: only 57 rear wheel HP... hmm [thumbsdown] time to go clean the carbs and fiddle with the TCIP4 [roll]
57 Kilowatts?
obviously the flux capacitor was not hooked up to get the proper 1.21 gigawatts it was supposed to get!
Was that it after-burn popping on the wind down? Sounded pretty sharp....
Quote from: Slide Panda on April 30, 2013, 06:52:11 AM
Was that it after-burn popping on the wind down? Sounded pretty sharp....
yea, plenty of popping on decel, especially during the first run, she wasn't running well for some reason... ??? felt fine on the ride to and from Bob's BMW tho, aside from the lack of (high end power) she runs fine, plenty of low end torque [evil]
As soon as I have time I'll check the spark plug gaps. Eventually (time, time, time) I'd like to take the heads off to give them a cleaning as well, check valve gaps and change the belts...
What power numbers would satisfy you given the current config and state of tune?
Quote from: Syscrush on May 07, 2013, 04:15:22 AM
What power numbers would satisfy you given the current config and state of tune?
I would expect at least 70hp from Bianca, of course this is all Brad (the bike boy's) fault! [cheeky] Here's the link to one of his reports: http://www.bikeboy.org/900SSwithkeihinfcr39and41mmcarbs.html (http://www.bikeboy.org/900SSwithkeihinfcr39and41mmcarbs.html)
Given that my exhaust is a 2 into 2 with separate headers, and stock S2r cans, I realize that I will not get as much flow high in the RPM band and this will affect max HP. And that's totally fine with me: I love the way Bianca sounds, and I'm far more interested in a tractable engine in the 3000 - 7000 range, than power output at say 9000 rpms...
Even before the dyno run I could sense that the engine wasn't pulling as good as it should, now I can see how my feeling translates into numbers. The next thing for me is to clean up the carbs and see if that changes anything, the fuel filter looks clean so there shouldn't be any junk in the tank. Then I need to spend some time "fiddling" around with the TCIP4 and working on the advance curve. Finally I'll try putting the fuel pump back in just to see if that changes anything... ;)
I love watching the progress on Bianca but it poses a silly question. Say another guy was to do this. Wouldn't it be cheaper on insurance to get a 748 frame since the title goes with it? Like is a guy was to have a 750 and do a 900 swap, insurance still sees it as a 750.
Just curious.
I guess that depends on how/what you register it as...if you register it as what the frame is/was...that is 1 thing...but if you register it as a custom/special with the filing of disclosure of where the materials came from and everything...that is a whole different matter.
a 748 frame would be more expensive to insure anyway.
it's a SBK frame.
a 900 monster would be cheaper as it's less than 1000 and a standard bike.
Quote from: The Mad King Pepe' on April 10, 2013, 12:20:34 PM
Went out riding yesterday.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-aPpwWgSEAsM/UWTLI3GciVI/AAAAAAAABOM/iQ5xsZte1o8/s1362/IMG_20130409_101248_196.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-2hyCgYecuHc/UWTLCbhkb7I/AAAAAAAABOE/AIYVdyJ-TqI/s871/IMG_20130409_101302_848.jpg)
How is Bianca doing? ;D ;D ;D
that ground clearance is wicked low. don't go over a speed bump, you'll end up stranded
Quote from: Raux on May 09, 2013, 06:17:35 AM
a 748 frame would be more expensive to insure anyway.
it's a SBK frame.
a 900 monster would be cheaper as it's less than 1000 and a standard bike.
Maybe a ST would be cheaper to insure, but I don't know by how much. My other bike is an '05 BMW F650 GS and between the two of them I spend less than $300/yr with some pretty good coverage. Insurance wise, Bianca is a 996 (minus the fairing and with a different engine), but nothing else.
Quote from: Raux on May 09, 2013, 06:18:32 AM
that ground clearance is wicked low. don't go over a speed bump, you'll end up stranded
I actually do have to ride around speed bumps and watch carefully for potholes & other crap, which is kind of constant with the pathetic roads in our nation's capital ... :o [thumbsdown]
But that's where the GS (about 9" clearance) comes in as daily commuter and occasional single track toy ;D
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-hHXLHhPHWs4/UYWbOnrpiII/AAAAAAAABdE/baJ_ui_UU7w/s1152/IMG_20130504_145325_851.jpg) (https://picasaweb.google.com/109410231691258197920/Ride20130504?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCNyz_Z3HpNKv5gE&feat=directlink)
Quote from: Raux on May 09, 2013, 06:18:32 AM
that ground clearance is wicked low. don't go over a speed bump, you'll end up stranded
Alternatively, be sure to wheelie over all speedbumps. ;D
Enjoyed a nice walk home the other day. Fortunately I was close to home when the engine just died, with a few loud pops from the exhaust, just to entertain the pedestrians... [laugh]
Anyway, figured out what the issue was yesterday and fixed it pretty easily: broken wire to the fuse box. I have to say: I love simplicity! [bow_down] When there's only a few things that can break it's so much easier to fix them. 8)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-uktWrgjwh8s/UccSLOUlwUI/AAAAAAAACYU/qxi7CqPahjc/s800/IMG_20130622_170905_834.jpg)
I love it when a plan comes together! (Or a wire...)
Well... Shit! >:(
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-YkaNarCG7X0/UjCanlKR7EI/AAAAAAAADMs/0GwcutnAoRw/s800/IMG_20130911_111335_329.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-47DMsGOaOYc/UjCamRP6ucI/AAAAAAAADMk/FkPiu76G-6E/s800/IMG_20130911_111345_424.jpg)
I noticed something was wrong after hearing the wheel rub against the mudgard: one of those cushioning shits worked its way out of the sprocket and has worn the teeth on the eccentric hub. I suspect the friction also caused the hub to rotate a little upwards causing the tire to rub against the mud guard.
I tried taking off the bolt that holds the sprocket but the damn thing is seized. I gave it the whole S&M service: lube, heat & banging but it wouldn't bulge even with me on the bike, foot on the rear brake and both hands on the breaker bar... :o
sometimes those nuts are impossible to get off, even with my 3/4 rattle gun. I remove, lube and retorque every service, as much for the making it removable as making sure it's tight.
if all else fails drill some holes thru one of the flats down to the axle and hit it with a cold chisel to split it. might need to do it on both sides to make it two halves.
I am looking at using the IMA triples in my project.
Looks like you are using the Mod2evo.
What did you use for risers / handlebar clamps?
Does a riser from a Hypermotard or Multistrada work standard?
eBay: plenty of fish.
M12 bolts fit perfectly, you'll need to consider clearance for the adjusters on the top of the forks.