This is old news to some [coffee] yeah go and get one. Some time ago I was approached as a suitable travelling companion for an overseas motorcycling adventure.
Long story long, what started as a 12 month, whole of the world, do-it-yourself Ducati Multistrada mounted ride has now condensed into a [thumbsup] pre-planned, pre-organised, bring your own bike if you want to or pay lots to hire our BMW's, 4 month all in trip around all of (yep ALL OF) South America. [thumbsup] [moto] [thumbsup] [moto] [thumbsup] [moto] Tonight I booked said adventure :o ;D [moto]
So yeah now I have to quit bumming around and get a job to pay for this :'(
The investigation begins:
My plan is to purchase a Hypermotard 796 (cos I'm short) and put the cycleworks 26L tank on it (researched by Betty - thanks mate [thumbsup]). Ducati may bring out something different between now and when the trip starts (Feb 2013) - not holding my breath on that tho (and I do plan on checking out BMWs in the meantime but I think I may need leg extensions!! :P)
I will be asking for heaps of advice between then and now. But for starters I want to do a cost analysis on bike shipping. So I'm looking for info on shipping a bike from Oz to Chile. Anybody out there have any knowledge to share??
Muchas gracias, Amigos. Buenas noches y llevar en el cuy asado! yum yum [drool]
And if you can't find a meaningful translation for cuy asado, just ask, I haz photos [evil]
wow..
that sounds awsome,something I've always wanted to do myself!
I'm very jealous! [bow_down]
Best info for motorcycle travel
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/index.shtml (http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/index.shtml)
Latest Australian Road Rider has an "Adventure Bike Comparo" in which they rate the Multi, R1200GS, Yamaha Super Tenere & BMW F800GS. Probably worth a read.
Big thing is if you hire a bike you don't need to ship it nor do you need to fix it if it breaks!
Do a ride day with one of the bigger outlets (doing a BMW ride day today) to check out the bikes before you commit.
Good Luck :)
Sorry, I have no helpfull info, but . . .
Well done. [clap] What a great trip to look forward to, am totally jealous.
QuoteBuenas noches y llevar en el cuy asado! yum yum
So you're gonna carry guinea pigs with you ?
Or you're gonna eat them ? ( Oh Heather, how could you ! )
I'd have to agree with MD on just hiring one of the BMW's on offer.
I am sure one way or another they can help you with ride height and fitting you on the bike.
Best of all they will have to take care of you and the bike for the duration of the trip.
If you were doing your original year long self guided tour then it would be worth you shipping your own bike or buying a bike over there.
For a 4 month trip and the extra premium it might cost of using there kit the peace of mind for you to just enjoy the trip and scenery instead of hoping that nothing goes wrong.
I was looking at the BMW's last week and might go and ride the F800GS shortly.
I know we all love our Ducati's here and like to keep as much in the family as possible but sometimes it might be better to look at more appropriate machinery for what could be a pretty bumpy and fun adventure.
That sounds awsome heather, as well as horizonsunlimited check out advrider for ride reports from south america.
Agree with the others, for all the hassle involved in shipping a bike form oz, it is probably easier to go with the hire bike option. Also if something goes wrong, availabilty of parts or a mechanic experienced with ducs could be hard to come by.
Awesome adventure Heather. Very envious..... [bow_down]
Hey are you going to be able to blog the trip with periodic updates including pics for us all to droll over? [coffee]
Shipping of my own bike is included in the cost and part of the "[thumbsup] pre-planned, pre-organised" bit. I was just curious how much of the fee accounts for the shipping.
Riders are required to take the usual spares for their bike.
There is a sherpa (Landcrusier troopy) to take all spares (and luggage too) and a trailer for broken bikes (if needed).
There will be at least one bike mechanically minded person on the trip (not a mechanic though) And I plan to find someone to teach me a little about bush mechanics before then.
There are Ducati dealers in several places we visit.
Cost to hire BMW 800GS for the four months just about covers the Hyper purchase price. (Not sure what the leg extensions will cost me [laugh])
If I do go with the Hyper option, I will be running it in here in Oz hopefully long before the trip starts and hopefully ironing out any bugs. And changing the rear wheel bearings :o :o
It's not a Dakar trip. Some rough tarmac roads, some gravel yes - but NO SAND (apparently) and no off road riding required.
Blogging the trip? Hope so. New technology and camera gear are on the wish list. Will have to work on my computer skills. May need to bug you for help there Trev.
Thanks for the websites 748s and Ollie. I have been doing lots of reading for a few years now. (And lots of dreaming to go with it.)
Carrying guinea pigs on a motorbike would be cruel. Eating them? Well have done it before and not saying I won’t again. [roll]
I’m not ruling out riding a bike of a different brand. But it would be nice to do the trip on something a bit different to the norm. And it
would be nice to be able to reach the ground.
¡Cuy es delicioso con una cerveza o dos!
Heather,
it may be worth checking if you can get an F800GS. It may be a little tall, but I know that they do shorten them. My Sherpa is the F650GS(same motor as the 800, just de-tuned), but it's also a little shorter. They're also twins, which helps IMHO. I would have preferred to get the 800GS for the extra suspension travel, spoked rims, etc. but I have a read of people doing Sth America on the F650GS(twin, not the singles). If you're ever up this way, you could try mine out - no worries, with a helmet on, no-one will recognise you!! ;)
Another good site is advrider.com - lots of bike plus trip plus travel type info.
Quote from: brimo on March 26, 2011, 08:46:21 PM
¡Cuy es delicioso con una cerveza o dos!
Hmn I don't remember it being delicious - but then I wasn't drinking beer at the time. [drink]
and
it looks like I'd better organise a test ride on a BMW as well as the Hyper. Oh well, life's tough. [moto]
QuoteShipping of my own bike is included in the cost and part of the " pre-planned, pre-organised" bit. I was just curious how much of the fee accounts for the shipping.
Riders are required to take the usual spares for their bike.
There is a sherpa (Landcrusier troopy) to take all spares (and luggage too) and a trailer for broken bikes (if needed).
There will be at least one bike mechanically minded person on the trip (not a mechanic though) And I plan to find someone to teach me a little about bush mechanics before then.
There are Ducati dealers in several places we visit.
Cost to hire BMW 800GS for the four months just about covers the Hyper purchase price. (Not sure what the leg extensions will cost me )
If I do go with the Hyper option, I will be running it in here in Oz hopefully long before the trip starts and hopefully ironing out any bugs. And changing the rear wheel bearings
Well, knowing that, I would go the hyper. [thumbsup]
i dunno about chile but try www.getrouted.com.au (//http://)
dave will give you the good info including insurance
Crikey Heather you are making quite a few of us very envious of your situation, when it comes to bikes I would be taking my own and the reasons are simple but benificial.
It really doesnt matter which bike you decide on Multistrada, Hypermotard, BMW GS series, any other brand.
You need to get down and dirty with it, learn to recognise small problems before they become bigger ones, do simple repairs, even if you dont have to, learn how to change a tyre, I dont know if there are any sites that can help with that but Avrider would be a good place to start.
Bike set up, it is what it says, how you can carry simple spares (ie chain links) on the bike, learn how to pick your bike up correctly and source some spares, the 'bush mechanic' is a great idea, learning how to do make shift repairs on the bike, when you learn these things and you are comfortable with your bike you will have a better adventure.
I think these things outway any hire bike, sure you can hire but will it give you that special connection with the bike?
Mmick
Quote from: heatherp on March 26, 2011, 08:39:28 PM
Shipping of my own bike is included in the cost and part of the "[thumbsup] pre-planned, pre-organised" bit. I was just curious how much of the fee accounts for the shipping.
Didn't realise that, in that case I would definately take my own bike.
Personally, I'd go with something a bit more mechanically simpler - (the DR650 springs to mind but I'm a tad biased ;D), but I like your spirit of adventure!
Like Mick said preperation and knowing your bike is the key - find out what spares you could possibly need and practice replacing them, service your bike, fix a flat, break and rejoin chains, work out how your going to pack your gear, think about possible scenarios about how you could possibly break stuff and make sure that you've got the ability to fix the problem.
I'm jealous!
Oh, see if you can track down a copy of Dan Walsh's ' These are the days that must happen to you' - a great motorcycle trip diary of sorts with a big chunk devoted to south america.
Geez, Heather !! Wow !! Fantastic ! I'm as jealous as it gets. For me the planning and preparation of a trip is half the fun. What a top trip. Enjoy !!
This is a coincidence Heather........Joanne came home tonight asking me if i know anything re bike tours as her assistant managers father wants to do a tour with an organised group through Sth America......His problem is, most tours need a years notice..........i think he would only be looking at a short trip plus hiring a bike. Can you Heather, or anyone else here recommend a company who he could go through...?
Yours sounds great. i am sure you will enjoy it.............food for thought for yours truly.....one day......hmmmmm....Matty..... [thumbsup]
Rob .......3Dogs -1 ..........
Don't think I can recommend anyone for you Brian, I have never looked into it.
It would be fabulous to do one day, not sure if South America is my bag.
Maybe NYC to Vegas on Harley's ;D
Brian
Check out these guys (who I have booked with) heaps of shorter tours and an Aussie Company.
http://www.compassexpeditions.com/ (http://www.compassexpeditions.com/)
and check out the websites mentioned in earlier posts for more companies.
Many thanks for that heather........i will pass it on........ [thumbsup]
I agree with Mmick - very envious - good luck Heather, go with the Hypermotard! Keep true to the Ducati! [cheeky]
I hope your trip is safe and lots of fun - please keep us update on everything - and I mean like from now, to going, to coming back - sounds to be epic! [clap]
Ok I'm gunna make this official, seeing that you are going on one of the most awsome-est trips ever, I'm nominating myself to be your personal baggage handler/man slave just so you have protection Ok?
Mmick
Oh goody, another PBH/Man slave. [cheeky] A girl can never have too many. :-*
Quote from: monstermick58 on March 26, 2011, 10:44:15 PMIt really doesnt matter which bike you decide on Multistrada, Hypermotard, BMW GS series, any other brand.
You need to get down and dirty with it, learn to recognise small problems before they become bigger ones, do simple repairs, even if you dont have to, learn how to change a tyre, I dont know if there are any sites that can help with that but Avrider would be a good place to start.
Bike set up, it is what it says, how you can carry simple spares (ie chain links) on the bike, learn how to pick your bike up correctly and source some spares, the 'bush mechanic' is a great idea, learning how to do make shift repairs on the bike, when you learn these things and you are comfortable with your bike you will have a better adventure.
^^ Some very good advice from Mmick there H [thumbsup]
I'm not jealous ;) :-X
I am looking forward to reading your ride reports though..... [drool] [thumbsup]
Quote from: ollie on March 27, 2011, 02:22:18 AMPersonally, I'd go with something a bit more mechanically simpler - (the DR650 springs to mind but I'm a tad biased ;D), but I like your spirit of adventure!
+1 ;D
It could just be my...... lol......
American mindset...... but you might wanna do some research on the pieces of paper required for your bike. I know you know about a Carnet, but I still havent found the definitive answer to what Australian/Victorian document proves your ownership of the bike - in the States they have a Title Certificate which serves this purpose - all we have is the rego papers and that is not the proof of ownership which some international jurisdictions may require. Sorry to get all practical and boring on ya... but life is sure to be easier if you can produce whatever documentation is demanded along the way ;).
Quote from: heatherp on March 29, 2011, 05:45:50 AM
Oh goody, another PBH/Man slave. [cheeky] A girl can never have too many. :-*
Another :o
You told me I was the
only one.
Mmick
Quote from: monstermick58 on March 30, 2011, 03:58:02 AM
Another :o
You told me I was the only one.
Mmick
Ooops [roll]
No probs Unge. I'm sure lots of practical and logistical stuff is going to be discussed in the next two years not just the fun stuff.
The company assures me that Carnet de passage is not required in any of the countries we go to although the Aussie customs website is still showing one is needed in Ecuador so I will double check.
I too, was thinking about the proof of ownership thing. It is on my list of questions to ask. I will have a receipt for purchase of bike when the time comes. Wonder if that and rego is proof enough.
I'm looking forward to hearing how this adventure unfolds. [popcorn]
Take care Heather ;)
Hi Heather,
I was talking to Charley Boorman on Wednesday and he mentioned that they are doing a trip in Sth America next year sometime I think. Maybe send him a quick email asking.... ;D [thumbsup]
Funny ..... he only mentioned South Africa to me. [laugh]
The interview on Adam Hills' show actually explained a lot about Charley's personality. I blame it on his upbringing.
actually spoke to him at a book signing event he was doing - funny thing, there were only about 4 people there. Anyway, yeah he's doing Sth Africa later this year and then Sth America next year. Pity, you'll miss him I reckon! ;)
Guess the attendance figures are a gauge of his popularity here in Oz.
Hope he doesn't ruin South America before I get there. I am absolutely gutted that I will miss him. :'(
Hi Heather,
If you are around for a docv meeting it could be worth your while speaking with Ralphino.
He's been over there on a number of occasions and in conversation mentioned horizonsunlimited (as above) as a wonderful resource.
G
Quote from: G on April 11, 2011, 03:17:05 AM
Hi Heather,
If you are around for a docv meeting it could be worth your while speaking with Ralphino.
He's been over there on a number of occasions and in conversation mentioned horizonsunlimited (as above) as a wonderful resource.
G
Hi G
Nice to see you still hang around here. ;D
I will be at the May meeting. The guy that runs the tours is scheduled to give a talk that night. I will look out for Ralphino.
Took a G650 and F650 for a 4 hour squirt up to Trentham for lunch.
Wouldn't bother with the G650. Vibrates like crazy due to the single cylinder. Brakes were not very good. Lacking in power.
The F650 would do the job. I can get it lowered easily, I would get used to the wacky indicator set up, I can raise the bars to make it easier when standing up, my butt would get used to the hard seat. But how can I inject some soul into this bike??? Was very glad to get back on the Monster. Next [coffee] [laugh]
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3432/5735868537_dd1fed9897.jpg) (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2326/5735867683_6fd79607b1.jpg)
can I ask what the main differences between the two are? single and twin ?
Very nice Heather!
Soul comes from the rider on board.
Quote from: vossy on May 19, 2011, 07:01:38 PM
can I ask what the main differences between the two are? single and twin ?
G650 single, 650cc, 48hp, old school bike
F650, twin, 798cc, 71hp, new school bike.
They're like chalk and cheese to ride. Very noticable difference in power delivery. The F650 is very smooth and would do the trip no problems, I just didn't enjoy riding it. Could be due to the fact that it was a little tall for me (not noticable when riding of course).
Matty, what I meant was that riding my Monster makes me smile. Riding the BM's didn't raise a grin. It just didn't do it for me.
My brother is a triumph fan and has suggested I look at the new Tiger 800. Just happens to be a demo model in a bike ship less than an hour away.
Stay tuned ...
Yeah I know what you meant, nothing puts a ;D on my face like my Monster.
I'll go have a look at the Triumph also, it has been suggested by another person I know.
Quote from: mattyvas on May 19, 2011, 11:40:08 PM
Yeah I know what you meant, nothing puts a ;D on my face like my Monster.
I'll go have a look at the Triumph also, it has been suggested by another person I know.
I'd be interested in your impressions of it.
This bloke started out on his RTW ride on a BMW..... but pissed it off for a humble DR650 >> http://shortwayround.co.uk/ (http://shortwayround.co.uk/) << Single cylinder will do it fine and be easier to manage when you need to pick it up off the dirt.
Very true, the DRZ is a bullet proof easy to repair and easier to pick up machine than any adventure tourer.
I think there will be enough support on the ride Heather is doing both mechanical and help to get back on two wheels when she topples over.
For a solo ride and no help whatsoever the Suzuki would be the only bike to use, parts would be everywhere or you'd be able to Jimmy a fix for it to get you to the part you needed.
As to the BMW v Triumph that is the F800gs v Tiger 800xc. I haven't found a direct comparison as yet but many have written that they are similar but each do something's better than the other.
The BMW is tried and true, they have been doing adventure bikes for many years and have a good formula to getting the job done.
The Triumph is the new kid on the block and out to prove itself, it has been said that it is a better engine and perhaps got a better tune to the suspension. However to the novice off road rider it could be too much bike and get a little out of control with more power.
Price wise they are similar but I think you get more standard kit on the BMW and the build quality is better than the Triumph. It was said that the switchgear is a little low quality and the dash is a bit plasticy in look and feel.
Hi Heather
My hubby and I talked to Compass Expeditions at the WSBK at PI in 2010. I can see why you are planning that trip - it is something I definitely want to do someday and they seemed quite well organised and friendly.
The only thing that put me off was the BMWs they use. I'm only 5'2" so the BMW meant that I would probably have to pillion on the back of hubby :( Might have to think about somewhere like Vietnam first (where I would have my pick of bikes built for short-arses!)
Best of luck with the planning!
Quote from: girly on May 26, 2011, 09:05:02 PM
Hi Heather
The only thing that put me off was the BMWs they use. I'm only 5'2" so the BMW meant that I would probably have to pillion on the back of hubby :( Might have to think about somewhere like Vietnam first (where I would have my pick of bikes built for short-arses!)
Hi Sam
Long time no see. Can understand your problem. I think they have an extra short one for us height challanged people. On the shorter rides hiring their bikes would be better but as this trip goes for 4 months it's not cost effective to hire their's hence take your own (which is part of the price anyway). This is why I'm bike shopping. Even though I can get a BMW to suit my height (I'm 5'6") and they will do the job well, I found them boring to ride. (Think everyone that also owns a BM on here is just about to throw something at me!!)
I have looked at the new Triumph tiger 800 which is a bit lower (seat height can be set to 810mm). The dealer near me is also getting in a corbin seat for their demo model which will lower it more. I am booked to test ride this bike late June. So stay tuned.
Ah - to be 5'6" and have my choice of bikes [drool]
Quote from: girly on May 26, 2011, 09:37:58 PM
Ah - to be 5'6" and have my choice of bikes [drool]
We're never happy. [laugh]
I find my lack of height challenging when it comes to bikes too. But then there's plenty of blokes out there that are about the same height as me so I shouldn't complain.
Hi Heather,
Every time I read this thread it sets me off dreaming.
I'm interested in the discussion about what bike would be suitable. I think there are a few factors in your favour when it comes to the Hypermotard for this trip (probably why you picked it in the first place). The first is that you don't have to carry your luggage. Fantastic! Makes picking up the bike if you drop it a whole lot easier. Also the bike handles better, etc. etc.
You are right in that the HM has a bit of character too although any bike will develop it's own character if you sit on it for hours every day for four months. It's just a matter of whether you like that character of not.
It doesn't matter what bike you end up with it will always be a compromise in some areas. It's just a matter of which weaknesses you're more prepared to put up with or which strong points you desire most.
As I said in an earlier post, enjoy the preparation time. For mine it's nearly as much fun as the trip itself. It's as much about the journey as it is about the destination.
By the way, surely we're due for a Vic OzMos ride?
Hi Rob
Not much happening - just a lot of daydreaming. I'm still thinking about the Hypermotard but all the info I can find describes it as a town show pony not an off road machine. Also, at this point in time, I can't find any dual purpose tyres to fit it. Will have to see what happens in time. My travelling companion disliked the BMW test ride so much that he is now determined to take a Multistrada on this trip and damn the expense!!
I'm booked to test ride a Triumph Tiger 800 at a ride day in Warrnambool in two weeks time. They don't look that much different to the BMW F650. They are about the same height but a Corbin seat has been ordered for the one I'm testing which will make it lower.
So who's turn is it to organise a Vic OZMo ride? Are there many of us left? It's been cold but sunny for the last two days here.
I've only been riding Heather powered two wheels lately (no I haven't lost my licence - yet). In training for a mountain biking weekend in the Otways - hope I survive it!!!
I've always been impressed with the Triumph product although at 210kg how does the weight compare? The 01/11 Two Wheels test seems to say that it's got a lot going for it. I guess getting parts if necessary won't be any harder than for a Duc.
I've been riding occasionally with Tony (koko64). He and I both work shifts so it seems to work out well. He's a nice guy and he's always up for a bike related chat. Give us a call when you're in town and we'll see if we can arrange something.
I was at the Otway Fly during the week with some family. Saw plenty of hail and even a few snowflakes. Perfect for a mountain biking weekend!
Quote from: heatherp on June 12, 2011, 10:21:05 PM.... I'm still thinking about the Hypermotard but all the info I can find describes it as a town show pony not an off road machine.....
I completely agree with the show pony description. It's 17" front wheel is the biggest clue to its lack of any genuine off street prowess. That's not to talk the Hyper down, I love 'em. And if its what you want then I'm sure you could train a show pony to get down and do some dirty work. But it wouldnt be on my shopping list for a trip like this.
Queens birthday holiday (who says royalty are good for nothin' [laugh]) saw me riding my DR along some much muddier tracks than I was really ready for :o. Dropped it a few times and getting me out from under it and then dragging it up out of the mud almost killed me :-[. For as much of a struggle as the DR was, there's no way I would wanna be wrestling with anything any heavier.
Just my 2 bob's worth :).
Yeah but:
Quote from: heatherp on March 26, 2011, 08:39:28 PM
It's not a Dakar trip. Some rough tarmac roads, some gravel yes - but NO SAND (apparently) and no off road riding required.
Its not like she needs a trials bike.
I would still like to talk to Hyper owners to see if any of them have ridden on gravel roads. (Ptooey where are you?) Which is really my main concern. Most of the main roads in Patagonia are gravel. In reality you could do it on any bike but how comfortable would you be and how fast could you go. (I go pretty slow on gravel on the Monster ;D)
Having said that, I'm getting plenty of rough road practice here in Western Victoria. Geez we have some crappy roads. (Not to mention the practice I'm getting by riding a road pushbike on the bike trails around here too - think I'm gonna love jumping on a mountain bike).
So far on paper, the Triumph is cheapest, lowest seat height (and can be made lower with a corbin seat) and has the most horsepower (but it's also the heaviest :-\). Hmn I'm looking forward to the test ride. One point of interest, yes the hyper has at 17" front wheel, but the BMW f650 and the Tiger 800 still only have 19" front wheels - not 21". (Tiger 800 XC has the 21" front wheel but is too tall for me :'()
Unge - I'm sure a DR would be very suitable and heaps of fun on this ride but I don't have time to get the leg extension operations done. [roll]
Hey Heather have you seen these things ,Cagiva with suzuki engines ??? :-\
for what the 500c jobby costs you wouldn't bother bringing it back to Aus ,sell it on return. :-\
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Quote from: Betty on June 14, 2011, 12:10:52 AMIts not like she needs a trials bike.
Quote from: heatherp on June 14, 2011, 01:40:10 AM
Unge - I'm sure a DR would be very suitable and heaps of fun on this ride but I don't have time to get the leg extension operations done. [roll]
Point taken. Contrary to how it may appear, I'm not pushing the DR barrow.... just attempting to indicate that lightness and simplicity are worthy attributes.
Quote from: heatherp on June 14, 2011, 01:40:10 AMSo far on paper, the Triumph is cheapest, lowest seat height (and can be made lower with a corbin seat) and has the most horsepower (but it's also the heaviest :-\). Hmn I'm looking forward to the test ride. One point of interest, yes the hyper has at 17" front wheel, but the BMW f650 and the Tiger 800 still only have 19" front wheels - not 21". (Tiger 800 XC has the 21" front wheel but is too tall for me :'()
IMO 19" front wheel is a good compromise between the accepted road-going ideal of 17" and the 21" off road favourite. A nice 60/40 option (60 road/40 off road).
Other more road biased (with dirt road ability) multi-cylinder options....
H, have you thought about an inexpensive Suzuki DL650 V-strom? They're ugly as can be [puke] but their owners are very passionate about their ability in tough conditions. V-strom specs (http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/suzu/suzuki_dl650_v%2010.htm)
Honda's XL700 Transalp? Transalp specs (http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/Honda/honda_xl700_v_transalp%2011.htm)
Yay. Thanks guys this is exactly the sort of discussion I want to have. Lots of research chucked at me. Well done [clap]
Unge - I know you weren't pushing the DR but I understand your point about weight. Looked at the Trans Alp. Looks okay but a tad tall and dry weight = 214kg plus a 20L fuel capacity = heavy bike!!!!
I actually don't mind the Vstrom. Not as ugly as the BMW I think. So maybe something else to add to the test ride list.
And RobS has thrown the (jap)cagivas into the mix as well.
Oh goody lots to look at.
Hey what about Aprilla Pegaso?? (nah it's got little wheels too)
I was reminiscing the other day about how well my old Kawasaki Zephyr 750 used to handle gravel roads and got to thinking .....
Quote from: heatherp on June 14, 2011, 06:08:21 AMHey what about Aprilla Pegaso?? (nah it's got little wheels too)
There are 2 versions of the Pegaso. The Pegaso Trail has a 19" front wheel. But both Pegasos have not such glowing reputations for build quality or reliability. Not that theres anything wrong with the engine - its the rest of the bike which seems to cop flak. The Pegaso shares its 660cc single cylinder motor with Yamaha's cool but fat (and very tall) XT660 Tenere >> Yamaha XT660 Tenere (http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/yamaha/yamaha_xt660_tenere%2011.htm)
Quote from: heatherp on June 14, 2011, 06:08:21 AM
I actually don't mind the Vstrom. Not as ugly as the BMW I think. So maybe something else to add to the test ride list.
Plenty of aftermarket "offroad" bolt-on goodness and knowledge available for the V-strom too. All you'd ever wanna know and more here >> www.stromtrooper.com (http://www.stromtrooper.com/)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3131/5868546265_df17c2029a.jpg)
Triumph Tiger 800 (standard) test ride.
Sorry about the crappy photo. The bikes were 3 hours late due to the trailer (full of demo trumphys) coming off the tow hitch on the way from Melb. :o :o :o I was on the first ride so when they eventually arrived it was - quick - get on em and ride - and no time for photos after as there was a back log of test riders.
First up - it's too tall for me on the lowest setting (810mm). It was a windy day down in Warrnambool today and I was sitting at the traffic lights with my right foot on the brake and my left big toe on the ground wondering how long it would be before a strong gust blew me over.
But having said that the rep did give me the name of a German company that supplies (in Aust) lowering links and he seemed to think it was no big deal to do so.
Also this bike is the standard version (not the 800XC 21"front wheel one) both are the same 'triple' engine though. It has a 19" front wheel and is not aimed at serious off road riding. So sacrificing a bit of ground clearance through a lowing link will still see the bike capable of doing gravel roads. Adding a corbin seat will also lower it by about 20mm (but I think I need at least 50mm, maybe more to be truly comfortable).
But once under way well [roll] me likey a lot. It’s very well balanced. You really don’t feel any of the 210kgs of it. Very smooth to ride. Very useable power (94 hP claimed). Think I’m becoming a power junkie. I really didn’t have any problems riding this bike.
I will say this bike has personality, soul, puts a smile on my face, whereas the BMWs made me yawn.
I did only get to ride it for 20 minutes (I had the BMs for 4 hours) but it was an enjoyable 20 minutes.
So this one is hereby added to the possible list pending research into costs of lowering and all the other add ons I need.
Sounds good Heather but a very short ride to
Help make up your mind. Though I guess sometimes it doesn't take much to know that you prefer one over the other.
I do wonder how much the lowering link might compromise the suspension setup?
Quote from: mattyvas on June 25, 2011, 04:36:04 AM
Sounds good Heather but a very short ride to
Help make up your mind. Though I guess sometimes it doesn't take much to know that you prefer one over the other.
I do wonder how much the lowering link might compromise the suspension setup?
Yes a longer ride would have been better but it just felt good from the start.
Regarding the lowering link. I'm not a suspension guru so don't know. The rep said you would also lower clamp on the forks in relation to the lowering link. His main concern was sacrificing the ground clearance more than anything.
http://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle_news/first_looks_articles/11q2/2012_suzuki_v-strom_650_abs_-_first_look (http://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle_news/first_looks_articles/11q2/2012_suzuki_v-strom_650_abs_-_first_look)
Thanks Unge. I'll keep an eye out for it. [thumbsup] :)
Hi H,
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned in the thread but there is another bike that could very well be in your complete ball park as the great all rounder.
Yamaha Tenere XT660z, I know it is a little tall but there are lowering links you can get for it.
I have been looking at the adventure market lately and it might well be the best option for you. The price is okay compared to the It's bigger European competition but pricey compared to it's Japanese built cousins. However this Yamaha isn't built in Japan it's European built so the quality is much better.
Could also be worth a look for your adventure.
Thanks Matty.
The only problem with the Tenere is that it's so tall I could only test ride a stock one if I took a mounting block with me (or had a tall person on the back) as I would fall over when coming to a stop. Not ideal for test riding. Would be good if I knew someone with a lowered one that I could take for a ride.
Maybe if Matty's stars align in the not too distant future, you may just have one to test with - may involve a trip to Sydney, but hey, that's a precedent you set a long time ago!
Quote from: heatherp on June 25, 2011, 05:11:12 AM
Yes a longer ride would have been better but it just felt good from the start.
Regarding the lowering link. I'm not a suspension guru so don't know. The rep said you would also lower clamp on the forks in relation to the lowering link. His main concern was sacrificing the ground clearance more than anything.
Regarding lowering your bike, I just read an article in (oldish) RoadRider, I will have a look for it when I get home this arvo and if you want I can post it to you.
Mmick
Yeah I know it's really tall which does make it difficult to test ride or even test a friends :-X
It really does seem like the perfect all rounder.
Quote from: monstermick58 on July 25, 2011, 07:30:34 PM
Regarding lowering your bike, I just read an article in (oldish) RoadRider, I will have a look for it when I get home this arvo and if you want I can post it to you.
Mmick
Thanks Mick that would come in very handy. [thumbsup]
Quote from: goldFiSh on July 25, 2011, 03:11:50 PM
Maybe if Matty's stars align in the not too distant future, you may just have one to test with - may involve a trip to Sydney, but hey, that's a precedent you set a long time ago!
Hmn so Matty buys a Tenere, gets it lowered just for me. Then I pop up to Sydney to test ride Matty's bike and Doc's bike and Mostro's bike. lol Anyone else got an Adventure/Tourer lurking in the garage?? ;D
Quote from: heatherp on July 25, 2011, 11:40:31 PM
Hmn so Matty buys a Tenere, gets it lowered just for me. Then I pop up to Sydney to test ride Matty's bike and Doc's bike and Mostro's bike. lol Anyone else got an Adventure/Tourer lurking in the garage?? ;D
Yeah, how about you come up and we all go for a squirt , you can borrow the DRZ and test all the big chook chasers as well [thumbsup]
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6016/5976836747_3a33744504_z.jpg)
1. F800GS
2. F650GS
3. XT660z Tenere (coming to a garage near me soon) if not one of the above
4 DRZ400 (available for hire) ;D
So feel like coming up in spring/summer sometime.......
Quote from: mattyvas on July 25, 2011, 03:13:14 AM
Hi H,
Japanese built cousins. However this Yamaha isn't built in Japan it's European built so the quality is much better.
Am i missing something here. i allways thought that would be the opposite. well for cars anyway IMO ??? :-\
Only a retard would buy a motorcycle made in europe if your looking for quality not syle
Should I put it another way. Because it has been developed by Yamaha Europe for Dakar competition it comes fairly well sorted.
XT660Z Tenere is a cool looking bike 8).
But its very heavy for a single cylinder machine.
I so badly wanted one. Because its a cool looking bike 8).
In the end I came to the conclusion that it does nothing better than the humble and far lighter DR650.... other than look much cooler. And so since Heather rules out rides like the DR650, I really cant see what more an XT660Z offers other than an even taller ride height and far more weight.
Compare:
DR650: 32kw/54Nm Dry weight 147kg.
XT660Z: 34kw/58Nm Dry weight 183kg :o.
BMW F800GS: 62kw/80Nm Dry weight 178kg.
I know Heather isnt interested in a DR650 type machine, I only include it for comparison. But of the 3 I listed above the XT660Z is the last one I'd choose. Too little power dragging along too much weight IMO.
Although I'm not sure if I mentioned just how cool it looks 8).
Hmn Postie bike is looking good! :o [cheeky]
That's a nice shiny DRZ Doc.
Will have to see what I'm doing spring/summer (working hopefully!)
Bet I've outgrown all my dirt riding clothes [bang]
Quote from: heatherp on July 26, 2011, 11:07:43 PM
Hmn Postie bike is looking good! :o [cheeky]
That's a nice shiny DRZ Doc.
Will have to see what I'm doing spring/summer (working hopefully!)
Bet I've outgrown all my dirt riding clothes [bang]
yeah she's brand new only 300km ,you can use my Dirt gear [thumbsup]