It can be done! Quite easily in fact!
Thanks to muskrat for hooking me up with a set of S4R rearsets already powder coated in black.
Basically you will need four parts which won't come with the rearsets:
1) A ~.75cm spacer for behind one of the two lower bolts on the clutch side. You could stack washers up if you wanted to, would be ghetto but wouldn't be un-safe by any stretch.
2) A thread extension or new plunger for your stock master cylinder (or an S4R master cylinder). I used the 1100 master and made this extension from some hex stock, easy. The extension is about 1/2"-3/4".
3) A longer rear brake line. What you want is part number EL-0762-022-002 from spiegler. I already did the measurement and installed it, it works great. You can double check on your own but this worked for me.
4) A small bracket to offset the brake fluid reservoir or a small length of tubing to replace it. Your call.
Considering S4R rearsets go for between $100 and $200 on ebay and the parts listed above can be all be had for under $80, I think this is absolutely the MOST cost effective way to lose the stock chicken wings from a 796 or 1100. There is absolutely no change in foot position over stock, which I really liked anyway.
Pics and stuff to come later or tomorrow. Bottom line it looks GREAT!
TTIWWPs!
or wait and get ones from the 1100Evo. Either works if you are okay with the stock peg position.
ummmmmm i call foul unless i see PICTURES!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: MonsterRider on April 26, 2011, 06:10:41 PM
or wait and get ones from the 1100Evo. Either works if you are okay with the stock peg position.
Take a closer look at the evo rearsets, the brake line routing is different than the earlier bikes meaning you'll need a new rear brake line at least. That plus the fact that there are no used evo rearsets out there means it won't be the most cost effective way to go, not yet at least.
Took some pics, will upload them tomorrow at work.
chicken wings..............hahahahaha
I like that.
Point taken with regards to the cost effectiveness of the S4 rearset option and it is something that I have looked into. Interested in your pictures to see how this looks. With regards to the evo rearsets, true there may be none currently available used but that won't always be the case so it might be a future option. With regards to the brake line, the routing is different because of the ABS system but I think you're right that the brake line might need to be a custom.
Thanks for the information regarding the S4 set up on our bikes, I may have to have another look at them as a short term solution until I can decide on which of the available rearsets are the right ones for the long run.
I too will be looking at the evo rearsets in the future to see if they're a worthwhile upgrade. In the mean time, pics!
Right Side Full View
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_s2lGZWpBpRI/TbhExSsqe_I/AAAAAAAABkk/PSyne7NPPPs/s800/IMG_0002.JPG)
Left Side Closeup
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_s2lGZWpBpRI/TbhE0Q-5N_I/AAAAAAAABko/-kxX4GDcBPw/s800/IMG_0003.JPG)
Shot from under left side, showing spacer (on the right)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_s2lGZWpBpRI/TbhE2xVNkNI/AAAAAAAABks/pHjTdAgYs24/s800/IMG_0004.JPG)
Right Side Closeup
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_s2lGZWpBpRI/TbhE58igDoI/AAAAAAAABkw/y43kIkozeL8/s800/IMG_0005.JPG)
Closeup showing extension for the master cylinder plunger
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_s2lGZWpBpRI/TbhFll6ROYI/AAAAAAAABk8/rKp79GHo09k/s800/IMG_0006.JPG)
Still to come, re-installing the master cylinder reservoir with a custom bracket. Current the master is capped.
Have you measured the position of the foot pegs in comparison to the stock pegs? I'm also interested in doing away with the "chicken wings" but i do not want to bring the pegs up any higher or further back than they already are.
btw, now every time i look at my stock pegs all i can think of is chicken wings. thanks. [laugh]
Looks great!
Quote from: marty_il on April 27, 2011, 01:45:24 PM
Have you measured the position of the foot pegs in comparison to the stock pegs? I'm also interested in doing away with the "chicken wings" but i do not want to bring the pegs up any higher or further back than they already are.
btw, now every time i look at my stock pegs all i can think of is chicken wings. thanks. [laugh]
I installed one S4R and one stock peg, looked from the front and top and they are identical. There is no movement of the pegs forward, back, up or down by going with this setup over stock. For me that's a benefit. I personally think the stock pegs are great, especially with the higher riser I installed from the 796.
Quote from: xplodee on April 27, 2011, 02:00:16 PM
I installed one S4R and one stock peg, looked from the front and top and they are identical. There is no movement of the pegs forward, back, up or down by going with this setup over stock. For me that's a benefit. I personally think the stock pegs are great, especially with the higher riser I installed from the 796.
higher riser? your on an 1100 right?
Looks great! Shopping time! Is it just the S4R rearsets that are black? This was the one reason I had abandoned the idea was my search was one coming up with the silver ones and I wasn't happy with the look.
Quote from: DucatiTorrey on April 27, 2011, 03:28:52 PM
higher riser? your on an 1100 right?
Correct, I'm on an 1100s and installed the higher bar riser from the 696/796 and now also the 1100evo.
Quote from: MonsterRider on April 27, 2011, 04:40:05 PM
Looks great! Shopping time! Is it just the S4R rearsets that are black? This was the one reason I had abandoned the idea was my search was one coming up with the silver ones and I wasn't happy with the look.
As far as I know, all of these style rearsets, (S4R and all the sssa 1000's) only come in silver. You will have to powder coat them black.
it's pretty cheap to powder coat them just make sure you find a reputable shop that's done bike and automotive stuff
Quote from: xplodee on April 27, 2011, 05:14:25 PM
Correct, I'm on an 1100s and installed the higher bar riser from the 696/796 and now also the 1100evo.
ooooh, handlebar risers.
cool man
A pic of the re-locator bracket I made to hang the rear brake reservoir from:
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_s2lGZWpBpRI/TcGrcHlUtiI/AAAAAAAABlw/V3jJTUc_5tw/s640/IMG_0013.JPG)
Is it just me or did you change the shifter setup? Is this a way of reversing the shift pattern?
Quote from: Anchorism on August 18, 2012, 12:21:26 PM
Is it just me or did you change the shifter setup? Is this a way of reversing the shift pattern?
Correct, I run GP shift on my monster. Pictured is how you achieve that, to run regular shift pattern just invert the linkage.
Quote from: xplodee on August 20, 2012, 07:49:53 AM
Correct, I run GP shift on my monster. Pictured is how you achieve that, to run regular shift pattern just invert the linkage.
Im really debating whether or not i want to try it..... I think it might royally mess me up...
If you like GP shift i would recommend you go with the actual shifter isntead of just flipping it because you get a more crisp and clean response.
if you dont like it just swap it back. its a good way to test.
i love GP shift and have been running it for about 3 years now.
saw that and immediately thought the same thing...thought about ordering the gp shifter but i like this better...more concerned about what happens when I get used to this than throw a leg over the dirtbike or something ???
Quote from: shift1100 on August 21, 2012, 12:33:29 PM...more concerned about what happens when I get used to this than throw a leg over the dirtbike or something ???
Then why do it?
off topic but I love my reservse (gp) shift too...I went with the "flipping the linkage" way
how do I pick which lenght to go with when I order the gp shifter? bike is M750 with aftermarket rearset.
Buy the offset one AFAIK, only SSR makes one right now. the ones with various lengths are designed for superbikes with different rearsets.
Quote from: He Man on August 21, 2012, 09:09:38 PM
Buy the offset one AFAIK, only SSR makes one right now. the ones with various lengths are designed for superbikes with different rearsets.
I was looking at SSR, they have two variations: a "shorty" one and a regular length one with a bend...
I guess when you said offset is the one with the bend? Cuz the shorty is just straight.
Quote from: seanster on August 22, 2012, 05:50:34 AM
I was looking at SSR, they have two variations: a "shorty" one and a regular length one with a bend...
I guess when you said offset is the one with the bend? Cuz the shorty is just straight.
yes bend/offset, the point is that it moves it away from the inside so u dont have to pigeon toe.
the downfall is that if u go down the thing is buggered. SSR isnt exactly high quality. Their aluminum sucks.
I contacted SSR and got the measurements...shorty is 108mm and long is 133mm
Quote from: He Man on August 24, 2012, 12:51:36 PM
the downfall is that if u go down the thing is buggered. SSR isnt exactly high quality. Their aluminum sucks.
My rearset was designed to stick out a bit longer than normal and it was also designed to act as a slider protection so I think the foot peg will hit frist before the shifter take a hit...
anyways, thanks for you help He-man.
Quote from: shift1100 on August 24, 2012, 11:27:41 AM
for the fun of it?
That is plenty good enough reason in my book, I just wouldn't want to deal with "now which way do I shift?"
Which is exactly why I dont ride my brothers BSA, the damn shifter is on the WRONG side!!
Mark
This is definately an easy and great looking process. Thanks to dk1six, he made it possible for my swap on my 796. Here is a sneak peak.
(http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/390548_10151010866392109_2129809517_n.jpg)
more pics at
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=59160.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=59160.0)
I followed your instructions and done this simple mod as well. It can be even more simple then you described. You just need two things:
- complete S*R rearsets - eliminates need for a thread extension
- a monster w ABS - eliminates need for a longer break line (routing is different, therefore line is long enough)
Whole process took about an hour to complete, additional 30 minutes to make a bracket (not in photo). Well worth it!
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-o1AXBjhx8oc/UURufE6XmnI/AAAAAAAABfM/ZpmUNqj506E/s621/sety_s4r.jpg)
When I did this I did not use a longer brake line, I just took it out of the plastic housing on the bottom of the swing arm. That gave me just enough slack for it work nicely.
I'll contribute since this is one of the first mods I did...and still one of my favorite! It's hard to beat the "bang for the buck" factor compared to the $600+ aftermarket rearsets.
* ABS bikes result in a cleaner install as they do not require a new brake line or require the brake line to be removed from it's guide housing underneath the swingarm causing the line to hang out. Simply flip the banjo on the master and your done - the routing runs to the front of the bike to the ABS control unit instead of the rear caliper. I used the reservoir bracket from the 1100evo...$9 from the dealer.
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n206/jmlenz/DSC03341_zpsff0485bf.jpg)
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n206/jmlenz/DSC03336_zps6e0b0ab2.jpg)
* the left side does require spacers on the rear lower bolt, stacked washers work just fine as previously mentioned.
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n206/jmlenz/DSC03331_zpsd2cf50be.jpg)
* If you get S*R rearsets complete with all the bolts, nuts, and plunger then your all set. I had to order a couple small parts and extend the 796 plunger will all-thread. Easy enough to do this just annoying. All in all its an easy mod and the parts are readily available on eBay. I hated the stock "chicken wings" as they cluttered up the rear and looked plain stupid. The install shaves off 3.3lbs for those that care about such things. It looks great from the rear as well without the chicken wings adding bulk...
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n206/jmlenz/DSC03347_zps3f3990a4.jpg)
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n206/jmlenz/DSC03363_zpsd4dbd2f6.jpg)
Did you have to use the rear brake lever from the S2R or is there a way to make the lever from a 796/1100 work? I purchased a set of rearsets off ebay but neither the shift lever nor the rear brake lever were included.
Thanks
Quote from: dingo5 on May 12, 2013, 05:48:08 PM
Did you have to use the rear brake lever from the S2R or is there a way to make the lever from a 796/1100 work? I purchased a set of rearsets off ebay but neither the shift lever nor the rear brake lever were included.
Thanks
You will need the S*R brake lever. The 796/1100 and S*R use a completely different configuration for this lever. You will also need the S*R brake return spring, the pin that secures the brake spring onto the end of the lever and the circlip that locks it into place. Look at the exploded view for an S4R to get your part #'s. Luckily, these are all pretty inexpensive parts from your local dealer. You can use your 796/1100 shift lever + linkages no problem - that side is all interchangeable. My advise for doing this swap is getting rearsets as complete as possible, it avoids tracking down all these little nuts and bolts like I had to.