OK, I know this topic has had some discussion in the past, however it's time to take advantage of the dollar rate, and looking to bring in a new exhaust for the S4RS.
The way I see it, there are 4-5 options to be considered:
#1 Termi Full System, New ECU, Open Air box - Extra Horses, Good Sound - I guess.. Costly, Has to be re-tuned, Looks OK
#2 Arrow Full System (Carbon or Ti) - Looks OK - I prefer Termi or Zard's, Haven't heard the sound yet, Cheapest System
#3 Zard Full System (Carbon) - Like the different looks, Haven't heard the sound yet, Cost - Mid range - Currently leaning towards this option
#4 Quad D Ex-Box - Still appears to have a large Udder, no removable dB killers
#5 Separate Mid Pipes, and Termi Slip-on's - Cheaper Alternative to Full System - Can this be done??
Would be good to get some views on any of these options, or any other options that I have missed [moto]
It has been discussed plenty of times before ;D
Termi is the answer!
Hi Carbon,
So many options, so I just cored mine instead... I will replace it with Termi's someday when I get around to it. But it sounds fine for now.
Have a chat to Matty v his 2-1 setup is pretty sick [thumbsup]
Mattys system is Akroprovic Full Titanium......two into one........i would say at a guess that it would be the most expensive option......but definately worth a look if price doesn't worry you....
Akroprovic System
(http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac55/braando54/ducati-monster-s4r-s4rs-akrapovic-exhaust.jpg)
Remus System......I do like these as it looks balanced. ie. two cans but either side....similar bike to mine too...
(http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac55/braando54/Ducs.jpg)
Decisions, decisions......... [thumbsup]
Personally I'm not a fan of Termi's, they do sound good but for me they are very cliche when it comes to exhausts.
There are lots of options out there, if mine didn't come with the Akro system I would have gone for the Arrows system.
Andy's bike sounds the dux guts to me, but then a 2V bike does sounds different to a 4V bike.
My system is expensive to buy but then it's TI and a full 70mm at some sections.
I would not suggest option 5. Thats what i did and had a lot of problems. I think its better spending a few extra $ and get it done right, first time.
Quote from: cakeman on May 07, 2011, 05:21:56 PM
I would not suggest option 5. Thats what i did and had a lot of problems. I think its better spending a few extra $ and get it done right, first time.
What problems have you experienced with that option? Just wondering as I am getting to the point of doing something with my cat convertor....
fitment issues, mufflers moving closer to the back wheel. generally not as good exhaust flow, back firing etc etc :)
Eh, that doesn't sound very good at all.
Can anyone else comment here, as i was honestly going to order a cat eliminator this week....
I know on my old bike, which had it removed, i used to get a lot of popping and crackling but i actually liked it. Back firing is a different think though
Hadn't thought of the AK system, Looks Good, Whats the sound like? Does the ECU need a new map? or runs OK with Standard
Matty, does yours have an open Airbox, or any ECU work? Is this the same system
http://www.motostrano.com/dus4hexfusy.html (http://www.motostrano.com/dus4hexfusy.html)
Still no mention by anyone about "Zards", anyone heard them on a S4rs?
The Remus look good as well, I do like the 2V high mount look...
It's mainly about sound for me, not exactly searching for more horses, still got a paddock of them to explore as it stands...
I love the full termi system for the S4Rs, the akropovic stuff is the finest quality gear i've seen exhaust wise, bar none. my husky has an akro on it and for an enduro to have a nicer fitting, better quality system than my GENUINE WSB SPAGHETTI system on my 888, well, it's a travesty frankly. my S4R has the arrow and it's too loud, really, really loud, even with plugs, i've been booted from 2 track days with 105db readings which sucks. I'm building a KTM superduke and akropovic supply both genuine "R" exhausts and "hard part" stuff and i've bought one for it and again, it's superb quality. If others who have fitted the full termi system say it fits well, i'd probably go with that as it's a full kit with an ecu to suit, if it doesn't fit well, (likely if all the termi stuff i've bought is any indication) i'd cough up for an akropovic.
paul.
Mine came with the system on it, it had the open air box already done and a DP ECU.
It is a very nice looking and sounding system but then 4V bikes don't really sound great unti they are doing 6 thou or above!
I'd never swap my Akro system. I have heard the Zards which sounds good too, but I know they sit a little lope sided on the bike.
Quote from: cabron on May 07, 2011, 09:08:58 PM
Still no mention by anyone about "Zards", anyone heard them on a S4rs?
Big T had the Zards on his S4Rt with the DP ECU (cheaper options now than there used to be) and he raved about them - I'm sure he'd get back to you if you PM'd him. The look was one of the things that inspired me with my exhaust (not that they look anything alike).
Sound is such a tricky thing as it is completely subjective. Most people don't like the sound of my pipes ... and that is part of the reason that I love them. You tend to remember the pipes that you like the sound of personally and probably the reason I can't remember the distinctive sounds of certain 4v systems.
But coming through a rock cutting with Andy & Jukie surrounding me ... now that is some nice sound.
Took some diggin' ... but I found it:
http://monstersonics.blogspot.com/ (http://monstersonics.blogspot.com/)
Starting to get a little excited about the Akrapovic's, doing the rounds googling and finding some deals
Their only slightly more than Zards or Arrows, however even with a DP ECU they are cheaper than Termi's
Cheapest I have found is at http://www.morepowerracing-au.com/d9Yy885686480/Motorcycle-Exhaust/Akrapovic/Ducati/MONSTER-S4R--S4RS/2006-2008/c-1-73-725-10066-10132-28712/ (http://www.morepowerracing-au.com/d9Yy885686480/Motorcycle-Exhaust/Akrapovic/Ducati/MONSTER-S4R--S4RS/2006-2008/c-1-73-725-10066-10132-28712/)
So, a couple questions.... Would the bike run fine without touching the ECU to start with, Would I need to get it tuned with the new system?
ECU Options
a) DP ECU b) Power commander? c) Re-map current ECU d) Other suggestions
Would I need to open the Airbox? or not until new ECU map
What else would I need to do, I am fairly handy, so fitting shouldn't be an issue, however what is a Lambda Sensor....is that the O2 sensor?
Can't wait to change the sound of the stock S4rs.....I still fire up the M900 with full Termi just to get a bit of rumble in my life...
Quote from: cabron on May 08, 2011, 01:48:32 AM
It will run but only just! You would have to tune it I guess it will run like a pig.
Those questions are the exact reason I went with termis! A couple of years ago there were many differing opinions relating to the tuning and fueling but With the air box dp ecu was the best option for me because I could not be arsed screwing around. Nowadays there is alot more info and technical products available to overcome the issues.
So, a couple questions.... Would the bike run fine without touching the ECU to start with, Would I need to get it tuned with the new system?
ECU Options
a) DP ECU b) Power commander? c) Re-map current ECU d) Other suggestions
Would I need to open the Airbox? or not until new ECU map
What else would I need to do, I am fairly handy, so fitting shouldn't be an issue, however what is a Lambda Sensor....is that the O2 sensor
Can't wait to change the sound of the stock S4rs.....I still fire up the M900 with full Termi just to get a bit of rumble in my life...
Quote from: Betty on May 08, 2011, 12:38:58 AM
Took some diggin' ... but I found it:
http://monstersonics.blogspot.com/ (http://monstersonics.blogspot.com/)
Sorry, i came late to the thread otherwise i could have saved Betty the time to search.
This is the wrap up of the sound off we did quite some time ago!
Quote from: goldFiSh on May 08, 2011, 02:28:12 AM
Sorry, i came late to the thread otherwise i could have saved Betty the time to search.
This is the wrap up of the sound off we did quite some time ago!
... and I also found this quote from some bloke called nickors:
"thanks for all the nice comments people - makes me want to do it again someday! But not this month, or next for that matter. [thumbsup]" [cheeky]
It has been over three years after all ... and shouldn't you have been out procuring a whole heap of new equipment that needs to go through the appropriate field tests?
Quote from: cabron on May 08, 2011, 01:48:32 AM
Starting to get a little excited about the Akrapovic's, doing the rounds googling and finding some deals
Their only slightly more than Zards or Arrows, however even with a DP ECU they are cheaper than Termi's
Cheapest I have found is at http://www.morepowerracing-au.com/d9Yy885686480/Motorcycle-Exhaust/Akrapovic/Ducati/MONSTER-S4R--S4RS/2006-2008/c-1-73-725-10066-10132-28712/ (http://www.morepowerracing-au.com/d9Yy885686480/Motorcycle-Exhaust/Akrapovic/Ducati/MONSTER-S4R--S4RS/2006-2008/c-1-73-725-10066-10132-28712/)
So, a couple questions.... Would the bike run fine without touching the ECU to start with, Would I need to get it tuned with the new system?
ECU Options
a) DP ECU b) Power commander? c) Re-map current ECU d) Other suggestions
Would I need to open the Airbox? or not until new ECU map
What else would I need to do, I am fairly handy, so fitting shouldn't be an issue, however what is a Lambda Sensor....is that the O2 sensor?
Can't wait to change the sound of the stock S4rs.....I still fire up the M900 with full Termi just to get a bit of rumble in my life...
opening up the airbox will have more of an effect on how the bike runs than changing the exhaust system, not sure if a PCIII allows for timing changes, if it does go for it, if not go for a DP ecu, removing the cat and leaving the ignition map std can cause surging/hunting, usually at a constant throttle which gets very annoying, i had this issue on my S4R and the only way i found to get rid of it was to use a DP ecu with an ignition map to suit a bike with no cat.
paul.
Yes the lambda sensor is the O2 sensor, mine is still in my exhaust cause I'm too lazy to change it and the bike works fine with it.
I'd say there are three options for ECU
DP jobbie which can cost a bit, but I'd you see Houston Superbikes (I think) they have a few options .
Micro tech ECU from Carbon Imports which is more tunable than a DP being it can hold two maps.
Also from Carbon Imports you can have your stock ECU re-mapped to DP for about half the cost.
I have no power commander on mine and can't see a need for it with a good tune from a good operator.
cabron
check out desmo-porsche aka Houston superbikes as Matty said
I was quoted $1800 :o from Ducati for a DP RACE ECU posted from Houston $468 [thumbsup]
Oz $ is strong strike while its hot
Full system
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/OE-MAP-VIRGIN-ECU-DUCATI-MONSTER-S4R-S4RT-S4RS-ECM-CPU-/380229154869?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item58876c7835#ht_2320wt_907 (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/OE-MAP-VIRGIN-ECU-DUCATI-MONSTER-S4R-S4RT-S4RS-ECM-CPU-/380229154869?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item58876c7835#ht_2320wt_907)
slip on
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/PERFORMANCE-RACE-ECU-DUCATI-MONSTER-S4R-S4RS-SLIP-ON-/380335074641?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item588dbcad51#ht_2524wt_907 (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/PERFORMANCE-RACE-ECU-DUCATI-MONSTER-S4R-S4RS-SLIP-ON-/380335074641?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item588dbcad51#ht_2524wt_907)
[evil] [thumbsup] [drool]
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/DUCATI-MONSTER-S4R-S4RS-ZARD-CARBON-FULL-EXHAUST-SYSTEM-/170535160495?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27b4b00aaf#ht_4027wt_1084 (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/DUCATI-MONSTER-S4R-S4RS-ZARD-CARBON-FULL-EXHAUST-SYSTEM-/170535160495?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27b4b00aaf#ht_4027wt_1084)
Can definitely recommend the Zard exhausts, we also do Spark, which is another Italian brand we are using on the race bikes.. very good quality and they sound really nice too.. as for ECU, we can remap your existing ecu, or you could consider a Microtec which is fully tuneable, and can be tuned to suit the exhaust...
Worth a look...............
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/POT-ECHAPPEMENT-AKRAPOVIC-DUCATI-MONSTER-S4RS-998-/200557875175?pt=FR_JG_Moto_Pi%C3%A8ces&hash=item2eb22e4fe7 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/POT-ECHAPPEMENT-AKRAPOVIC-DUCATI-MONSTER-S4RS-998-/200557875175?pt=FR_JG_Moto_Pi%C3%A8ces&hash=item2eb22e4fe7)
that's definitely worth a look, can't get one here for twice that price and even from the US they're a few hundred more!
Quote from: loony888 on May 13, 2011, 03:17:05 PM
that's definitely worth a look, can't get one here for twice that price and even from the US they're a few hundred more!
http://www.morepowerracing-au.com/product.asp?s=pfYcu35688526&strPageHistory=category&numSearchStartRecord=0&strParents=73%2C725%2C10066%2C10132%2C28712&CAT_ID=28712&P_ID=42290&btnProduct=More+Details (http://www.morepowerracing-au.com/product.asp?s=pfYcu35688526&strPageHistory=category&numSearchStartRecord=0&strParents=73%2C725%2C10066%2C10132%2C28712&CAT_ID=28712&P_ID=42290&btnProduct=More+Details)
Is this the same system?
It looks like it's the same system yes..