I've been wanting to purchase a dainese jacket for a while now...I think that they probably make the best looking jackets available. But I just can't get past the fact that there company symbol is of a Devil. Anyone else have the same issue or could provide some more insight into the background and reasoning behind this. I read that Lino (Owner) created the devil symbol before he even started the company. It say's on their website and I quote: "The devil runs fast and looks at the world through a magical lens, seeing things that others cannot yet even imagine."
Thanks for the input just trying to find justifaction for the purchase.
It's not a devil....
it's a bird of some kind - probably an eagle [Dolph]
Just curious... is it a religious issue?
Anyways, could be a fox... or alien.
Quote from: $Lindz$ on July 27, 2011, 04:02:06 PM
Just curious... is it a religious issue?
Yes, I guess you could say that...I believe in God and I also believe there is a devil.
Quote from: $Lindz$ on July 27, 2011, 04:02:06 PM
Anyways, could be a fox... or alien.
Definatley a devil: http://www.dainese.com/us_en/company/inspired-by-humans (http://www.dainese.com/us_en/company/inspired-by-humans)
wait or click on second bullit point above picture.
I understand the intellectual reason for your dilemma. Not to butt heads, but when companies feature a cross or any kind organized-religious symbol on their product, I won't buy it.
All I can offer is that I feel (especially in this context) the devil just represents an idea or an attitude, not necessarily religious dogma.
Besides, Dainese is Italian... most people working for the company are probably Catholics (in some capacity). Now, whether or not that offends you more or less than the Devil is dependent on your own religion, I suppose.
If it bothers you get something else. There are plenty of options for awesome leathers. Personally it wouldn't bother me, though I'd probably slightly prefer something else. Alpinestars has some nice gear and is a solid SoCal company without any religious overtones as far as I've noticed.
Devils and demons seem pretty popular in italian moto culture - P tires (dieblo, angle, etc), ducati dieval etc.
If it matters, Icon stitches st. Christopher medals in their jacket pockets...
You could look at Rev'it. No know overtones and high end stuff.
Quote from: bikepilot on July 28, 2011, 06:11:40 AM
Alpinestars has some nice gear and is a solid SoCal company without any religious overtones as far as I've noticed.
Actually, they are also an Italian company.
But as far as Dainese's logo, I think it's definitely an eagle of some kind. Or perhaps a bird.
i personally hate some of the dainese jackets because they slap their name in big letters or use the demon head on it, in large format, it ruins the look and honestly doesn't look like that great of a logo.
now some of their jackets really dont' show the logo on teh outside and those might be what you are looking for.
if not get a bmw riding jacket they make some nice stuff. i love their gear.
Who cares, I doubt that 99.9% think "evil" or "devil" when they see the logo, I never have.
He cares... it's just so.
That limits your options on a future Diavel purchase, if you have any! Hey, just joking ;D
As the previous posters have commented... there are plenty of other quality leather companies who you can do business with, and fulfil your personal beliefs.
it reminds me more of the spy vs spy in mad magazine......
The Wife doesn't recognize the Dainese name. She sees a little fox when looking at the company logo.
Back to topic. My view is that it shouldn't matter whether or not the company logo is the devil. The founder's intend was not create a demonic symbol/cult or to worship the devil. People who wear dainese aren't announcing to the world with "I am now the devil worshipper with the marking of the beast on my body". Far from that.
Let me give you an example and maybe it would ease your mind. Duke University in Durham, North Carolina, was founded by Methodists, an denomination of Christianity, yet it's mascot is the Blue Devil. I don't think people associate Duke fans with the devil when they are all decked out in Blue Devil merchandise and blue body paint (well, some might argue that they are).
As far as the Dainese and the "devil" logo is concerned, I wouldn't go crazy splitting hair on this one.
My 2 cents.
Quote from: Goat_Herder on July 29, 2011, 11:15:06 AM
Duke University in Durham, North Carolina, was founded by Methodists, an denomination of Christianity, yet it's mascot is the Blue Devil. I don't think people associate Duke fans with the devil when they are all decked out in Blue Devil merchandise and blue body paint (well, some might argue that they are).
There's a Demon Deacons as well...
Their logo doesn't matter to me either, but it ain't my cash. And, for the most part, we're looking at this with our American perceptions and history. Symbols mean a lot of different things given history and setting. Take the swastika - originally it represented the suns rays and was an attribute of Vishnu of the Hindu pantheon. After 1938 its meaning for a lot of the world changed a ton. Same symbol... big difference in perception.
The symbol could have a considerably different historic meaning in Italy... so consider that. But like I said, not my cash, not my comfort He'll do what he needs
Quote from: Sad Panda on July 29, 2011, 11:30:57 AM
There's a Demon Deacons as well...
Their logo doesn't matter to me either, but it ain't my cash. And, for the most part, we're looking at this with our American perceptions and history. Symbols mean a lot of different things given history and setting. Take the swastika - originally it represented the suns rays and was an attribute of Vishnu of the Hindu pantheon. After 1938 its meaning for a lot of the world changed a ton. Same symbol... big difference in perception.
The symbol could have a considerably different historic meaning in Italy... so consider that. But like I said, not my cash, not my comfort He'll do what he needs
+1 Couldn't agree more. I do think the OP wants to purchase the said Dainese jacket and is looking for some moral support (or support for lack of moral [cheeky])
I understand all of your points. I do already have a nice Alpinestars leather jacket (RC-51) that I've had now for 3 years. It's nice but it's a little too aggressive or sport "bikeish". Hence the reason why I've been looking at other jackets; specifically the Dainese. I think the Dainese might fit me the best since I'm a thinner build and asthetically they make really nice jackets, gloves etc...
What bothered me the most was what is quoted on the Dainese website...which I made reference to in one of my earlier posts: Saying something about how the devil sees through a magical lens seeing things others cannot yet even imagine. To me this is not a very "light" statement...and it leads me to believe that Lino has some type of beliefs in the devil/demons or whatever that is able to help him...
Anyways; I guess unless we hear it directly from the horses mouth (Lino) we won't know what his true intent is on his logo or his beliefs.
Maybe I'm making a bigger deal out of it than it should be...
Quote from: Roy on July 29, 2011, 08:29:34 PM
What bothered me the most was what is quoted on the Dainese website...which I made reference to in one of my earlier posts: Saying something about how the devil sees through a magical lens seeing things others cannot yet even imagine. To me this is not a very "light" statement...and it leads me to believe that Lino has some type of beliefs in the devil/demons or whatever that is able to help him...
This is what's important:
"Protecting humans from head to foot is the mission of Dainese S.p.A. (hereinafter the "Company" or the "Parent company"), the leading Italian company worldwide in the manufacturing of protective clothing for motorcyclists and dynamic sports enthusiasts."• You want to protect your body.
• They make some of the highest quality body armor.
If you're worried about something "supernatural" you may consider taking it to a fellow member of your religion and have them bless it if that would comfort you. And its odd to think of Lino Dainese as an evil devil worshipper that pursed a career in protecting people from harm. ???
Your feelings on the subject are just fine.
Nobody can tell you to feel different.
It's not easy to know the logo background, but from my minor understanding it might very well be that it's the opposite of worship.
With all their effort into safety, they laugh in the face of evil - trusting their effort and Maybe God, to keep them/us safe.
If you don't feel comfortable with it - don't wear it.
As others mention - AlpineStars and Rev'it are probably as good.
Quote from: Roy on July 29, 2011, 08:29:34 PM
I understand all of your points. I do already have a nice Alpinestars leather jacket (RC-51) that I've had now for 3 years. It's nice but it's a little too aggressive or sport "bikeish". Hence the reason why I've been looking at other jackets; specifically the Dainese. I think the Dainese might fit me the best since I'm a thinner build and asthetically they make really nice jackets, gloves etc...
What bothered me the most was what is quoted on the Dainese website...which I made reference to in one of my earlier posts: Saying something about how the devil sees through a magical lens seeing things others cannot yet even imagine. To me this is not a very "light" statement...and it leads me to believe that Lino has some type of beliefs in the devil/demons or whatever that is able to help him...
Anyways; I guess unless we hear it directly from the horses mouth (Lino) we won't know what his true intent is on his logo or his beliefs.
Maybe I'm making a bigger deal out of it than it should be...
Definately ! [roll]
Please choose another brand, this bothers you way to much! All of us Roman Catholics are evil, and underground devil worshipers including the Dainese designer. [roll]
Like others have posted, lots of different meanings, from all the different cultures, and history in and around Italy.
Look at the big picture, the company specializes at making the very best safety gear! Not very evil sounding to me. :-\
So relax and. [drink]
"Protecting humans from head to foot is the mission of Dainese S.p.A. (hereinafter the "Company" or the "Parent company"), the leading Italian company worldwide in the manufacturing of protective clothing for motorcyclists and dynamic sports enthusiasts."
• You want to protect your body.
• They make some of the highest quality body armor.
If you're worried about something "supernatural" you may consider taking it to a fellow member of your religion and have them bless it if that would comfort you. And its odd to think of Lino Dainese as an evil devil worshipper that pursed a career in protecting people
from harm. ???
+1
Its definitely a devil. I saw a documentary about it. as far as religious overtones i dont think there is any to speak of. Dainese's founder used it to refer to attitude... Anyone familiar with the quote ride like the devil or descend like a devil?... Thats all it is. But if it makes you feel better i think referring to the logo as a fox works too.
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Everytime before I wear mine I sacrifice a pig first and sprinkle my head with the blood, then once I put it on my eyes glow and I have the urge to have unprotected and out of holy wedlock sex with hot young females on the back of my bike.
The brand is Evil for sure
Quote from: meanmonster on August 01, 2011, 11:06:17 AM
Everytime before I wear mine I sacrifice a pig first and sprinkle my head with the blood, then once I put it on my eyes glow and I have the urge to have unprotected and out of holy wedlock sex with hot young females on the back of my bike.
The brand is Evil for sure
LOL'd
I sacrifice goats though. *shrug*
This one's done