Jeopardy just got interrupted to announce that Steve Jobs has died of pancreatic cancer. Damn.
He never would have walked away from Apple if it wasn't close.
RIP.
Very sad. I knew it was coming, but still very disappointing. RIP Steve.
Just heard it on NPR. RIP
So sad. RIP.
The world, better said, humanity has lost one of the greatest minds of all times ...
RIP SJ
very sad indeed :( rip
Very sad news.
RIP, Steve Jobs.
Charles Napier died today too.
How long before Apple releases a laptop, cased in nice brushed aluminum, with a laser-etched Steve Jobs signature on it?
(Tacky hypothesizing about corporate cash-ins aside, RIP Mr. Jobs.)
Quote from: zarn02 on October 05, 2011, 07:57:19 PM
How long before Apple releases a laptop, cased in nice brushed aluminum, with a laser-etched Steve Jobs signature on it?
I honestly suspect never. Steve knew this was coming for a _long_ time, and had time to make sure the right people were in place ti succeed him...
Having said that, I have thought about getting a sticker of this made for my MacBook lid:
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-JPgC6fhJq2c/To0L4Tc339I/AAAAAAAAY_A/2W56wr3ZRqg/416134899.png)
Quote(Tacky hypothesizing about corporate cash-ins aside, RIP Mr. Jobs.)
Indeed, Vale Steve.
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In the words of my friend Maki:
(http://sci-ence.org/comics/2011-10-05-jobs.jpg)
Very sad news. RIP.
Humankind lost one of the greater representatives of our species
A very sad loss. :(
RIP Steve.
Quote from: RAT900 on October 05, 2011, 10:39:04 PM
Humankind lost one of the greater representatives of our species
This.
Imagine where the computer world would (or wouldn't) be without his contributions.
Quote from: Speedbag on October 06, 2011, 04:26:35 AM
Imagine where the computer world would (or wouldn't) be without his contributions.
(http://www.mofam.net/images/blue-screen-of-death_1152%5B1%5D.jpg)
there was a Tweet that said this about his passing
3 apples that changed the world
the Apple that Eve gave Adam to eat
the Apple that landed on Newtons head
the Apple that Steve Jobs created!
Dig this, Hillsborrow Baptist Church has announced that they intend to picket the funeral.
Quote from: DRKWNG on October 06, 2011, 08:07:20 AM
Dig this, Hillsborrow Baptist Church has announced that they intend to picket the funeral.
an announcement tweeted from an iPhone, no less... what hypocrites.
Quote from: DRKWNG on October 06, 2011, 08:07:20 AM
Dig this, Hillsborrow Baptist Church has announced that they intend to picket the funeral.
Sorry, why?
don't they have something else to do?
Apple should push the super secret button to make their phones implode...or at the very least...make them mysteriously somehow lose the ability to organize via communication with any apple device...
Quote from: zooom on October 06, 2011, 09:19:59 AM
Apple should push the super secret button to make their phones implode...or at the very least...make them mysteriously somehow lose the ability to organize via communication with any apple device...
+morethanIcancountto
cant see anyone else coming along like him for a very very long time. rip sj
Quote from: DRKWNG on October 06, 2011, 08:07:20 AM
Dig this, Hillsborrow Baptist Church has announced that they intend to picket the funeral.
You mean Westboro?
I'm sure Fred Phelps saw the news and just about had an orgasm thinking about all the press coverage he'd get. make the beast with two backsing bigot.
Quote from: derby on October 06, 2011, 08:10:29 AM
an announcement tweeted from an iPhone, no less... what hypocrites.
Classic.
Steve Jobs: Before the Turtleneck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTR6B7CBKmo#)
Steve Jobs' 2005 Stanford Commencement Address (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF8uR6Z6KLc#)
Quote from: uclabiker06 on October 06, 2011, 10:05:59 AM
Steve Jobs: Before the Turtleneck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTR6B7CBKmo#)
i had heard he had put this bike in the lobby of the apple headquarters as an example of a perfect design.
It's Steve Jobs guys, not Ghandi.
I'd hate to be the asshole but some of this "Steve Jobs is the greatest" stuff is a little ridiculous. He didn't free a country or stave off world hunger with his net worth of $8.3 billion, he created a computer company. In fact, unless he was donating anonymously, he wasn't much of a philanthropist at all. This is a quote from Fortune Magazine...
QuoteLast year the founder of the Stanford Social Innovation Review called Apple one of "America's Least Philanthropic Companies." Jobs had terminated all of Apple's long-standing corporate philanthropy programs within weeks after returning to Apple in 1997, citing the need to cut costs until profitability rebounded. But the programs have never been restored.
I'm not an Apple hater or a Steve Jobs hater, in fact I have 2 Mac computers, 3 ipods, have wanted the iphone for quite some time now, and would never wish death on anyone but the guy didn't pave a better road for humanity. He created a way for people to "look cooler" and download apps faster. He changed the way people communicate electronically and that's it.
Although, I'm sure he was a nice guy and I hope he's in a better place and doesn't have to deal with cancer.
+1
He didn't create the internet like Al Gore [roll]
Quote from: duccarlos on October 06, 2011, 12:52:24 PM
+1
He didn't create the internet like Al Gore [roll]
that makes for a really cute soundbite, but the first web server and client were actually built with NeXTSTEP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXTSTEP).
if you're unfamiliar with NeXT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXT), it was the company steve jobs founded between his two stints at apple.
did he personally create the internet? of course not, it's the culmination of a lot of work from a lot of people.
but it
is quite possible that the internet we take for granted today would look and behave much different if it weren't for the companies that steve jobs founded.
for that matter, his companies have had direct impact on the music industry (in both how people produce, purchase and experience their music), the tv/movie industry (in production, purchase, and experience), "personal" computing (popularizing the graphical user interface and the mouse, options for typefaces, not to mention tablet computers), as well as revolutionizing mobile phone hardware/software.
sure, you could argue that he didn't do that all by himself, but even the people that work with/for him acknowledge that steve was involved with everything that was done at apple and it was, indeed, his vision.
Quote from: derby on October 06, 2011, 01:19:38 PM
that makes for a really cute soundbite, but the first web server and client were actually built with NeXTSTEP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXTSTEP).
if you're unfamiliar with NeXT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXT), it was the company steve jobs founded between his two stints at apple.
did he personally create the internet? of course not, it's the culmination of a lot of work from a lot of people.
but it is quite possible that the internet we take for granted today would look and behave much different if it weren't for the companies that steve jobs founded.
for that matter, his companies have had direct impact on the music industry (in both how people produce, purchase and experience their music), the tv/movie industry (in production, purchase, and experience), "personal" computing (popularizing the graphical user interface and the mouse, options for typefaces, not to mention tablet computers), as well as revolutionizing mobile phone hardware/software.
sure, you could argue that he didn't do that all by himself, but even the people that work with/for him acknowledge that steve was involved with everything that was done at apple and it was, indeed, his vision.
I won't deny the fact that he's quite a brilliant man and one of the most iconic business men that ever lived but to keep it in perspective, he's not really any different than the person who invented the washing machine. Sure, we could all take a day and go wash our clothes in the local stream buts it's much more convenient to have them done for us in 25 minutes. It's a lifestyle amenity not a necessity.
I'm not one to look at the guy like he was godlike. That's a little ridiculous.....
Rather, more of a Thomas Edison or Henry Ford type of our time.
Quote from: duc750 on October 06, 2011, 12:43:19 PM
I'd hate to be the asshole but some of this "Steve Jobs is the greatest" stuff is a little ridiculous. He didn't free a country or stave off world hunger with his net worth of $8.3 billion, he created a computer company. In fact, unless he was donating anonymously, he wasn't much of a philanthropist at all. This is a quote from Fortune Magazine...
Agreed, he is no Saint. And Hero Worship is always foolish. However... running a successful company that creates jobs and employs many people directly and many more indirectly (parts suppliers, shippers, accessory makers, etc.) while creating products that many people use in their line of work and creating value and income for investors is philanthropy enough.
I am sad for the guy. Seems really sad that someone still young and productive succumbed to cancer even though he had access and funds for the best medical care on the planet.
RIP Steve Jobs.
http://www.pancreatic.org/site/c.htJYJ8MPIwE/b.891917/k.5123/Prognosis_of_Pancreatic_Cancer.htm (http://www.pancreatic.org/site/c.htJYJ8MPIwE/b.891917/k.5123/Prognosis_of_Pancreatic_Cancer.htm)
Survival Rates
According to the American Cancer Society, for all stages of pancreatic cancer combined, the one-year relative survival rate is 20%, and the five-year rate is 4%. These low survival rates are attributable to the fact that fewer than 20% of patients' tumors are confined to the pancreas at the time of diagnosis; in most cases, the malignancy has already progressed to the point where surgical removal is impossible.
In those cases where resection can be performed, the average survival rate is 18 to 20 months. The overall five-year survival rate is about 10%, although this can rise as high as 20% to 25% if the tumor is removed completely and when cancer has not spread to lymph nodes.
My first boss at Yamaha got pancreatic cancer, IIRC he lasted about a year.
Quote from: duc750 on October 06, 2011, 12:43:19 PM
It's Steve Jobs guys, not Ghandi.
I'd hate to be the asshole but some of this "Steve Jobs is the greatest" stuff is a little ridiculous. He didn't free a country or stave off world hunger with his net worth of $8.3 billion, he created a computer company. In fact, unless he was donating anonymously, he wasn't much of a philanthropist at all. This is a quote from Fortune Magazine...
I'm not an Apple hater or a Steve Jobs hater, in fact I have 2 Mac computers, 3 ipods, have wanted the iphone for quite some time now, and would never wish death on anyone but the guy didn't pave a better road for humanity. He created a way for people to "look cooler" and download apps faster. He changed the way people communicate electronically and that's it.
Although, I'm sure he was a nice guy and I hope he's in a better place and doesn't have to deal with cancer.
i've been using apple products to do my job as a creative since i've been out of college. i could not imagine the design industry would be the same today without apple.
Quote from: Moto Mecanica PTY on October 06, 2011, 08:51:31 AM
Sorry, why?
don't they have something else to do?
I vaguely remember reading a blerb about what their real game is all about. Lawsuits. They intentionally be annoying in an attempt to goad cities and others into violating civil liberty statutes then file lawsuits against them to get money. They're scum.
Quote from: Speedbag on October 06, 2011, 02:17:00 PM
I'm not one to look at the guy like he was godlike. That's a little ridiculous.....
Rather, more of a Thomas Edison or Henry Ford type of our time.
I agree with this, they all took an existing product and made it better.
Quote from: Grappa on October 06, 2011, 03:18:05 PM
Agreed, he is no Saint. And Hero Worship is always foolish. However... running a successful company that creates jobs and employs many people directly and many more indirectly (parts suppliers, shippers, accessory makers, etc.) while creating products that many people use in their line of work and creating value and income for investors is philanthropy enough.
Saying that someone who creates jobs, or products used for a particular job, is a philanthropist is quite far fetched. Some years ago I started a chocolate company, I had 4 employees that worked for me and investors that helped to get things started. I created jobs and saw some profit so I created value and income for my investors but somehow I doubt that anyone would call me a philanthropist.
Creating a business is a needs based endeavor, you need other people to help you be successful. You're not giving anything to humanity out of sheer generosity.
Quote from: TiNi on October 06, 2011, 05:02:52 PM
i've been using apple products to do my job as a creative since i've been out of college. i could not imagine the design industry would be the same today without apple.
Perhaps it would be different but it would still be here, Apple and Steve Jobs didn't create the design industry.
Quote from: duc750 on October 06, 2011, 05:50:00 PM
Saying that someone who creates jobs, or products used for a particular job, is a philanthropist is quite far fetched.
From m-w.com: Definition of PHILANTHROPIST
: one who makes an active effort to promote human welfare : a person who practices philanthropy
I think creating jobs and/or creating products that make jobs easier fits the definition.
But that's just me.
And I believe that was Steve Jobs' opinion as well - although I cannot find the article I recently read that in.
But I did find this article which has a pretty good summation of it: http://blogs.hbr.org/pallotta/2011/09/steve-jobs-worlds-greatest-phi.html (http://blogs.hbr.org/pallotta/2011/09/steve-jobs-worlds-greatest-phi.html)
Quote from: duc750 on October 06, 2011, 05:57:19 PM
Perhaps it would be different but it would still be here, Apple and Steve Jobs didn't create the design industry.
i didn't say Steve Jobs created the design industry [roll] i said that his products made it better ;)
i was making a point that Apple products aren't just to make a person "look cool" and that people actually use them to do their jobs.
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on October 06, 2011, 06:07:02 PM
From m-w.com: Definition of PHILANTHROPIST
: one who makes an active effort to promote human welfare : a person who practices philanthropy
I think creating jobs and/or creating products that make jobs easier fits the definition.
But that's just me.
And I believe that was Steve Jobs' opinion as well - although I cannot find the article I recently read that in.
But I did find this article which has a pretty good summation of it: http://blogs.hbr.org/pallotta/2011/09/steve-jobs-worlds-greatest-phi.html (http://blogs.hbr.org/pallotta/2011/09/steve-jobs-worlds-greatest-phi.html)
We can copy and paste things all day long...
m-w.com also says
a : an act or gift done or made for humanitarian purposes
b : an organization distributing or supported by funds set aside for humanitarian purposes
But I guess in your eyes anyone that has started a business and hired employees is a philanthropist?
And the article in the link you posted is a poor example. Steve Jobs created a product, I would argue that the people using the products for things like advancements in the medical field are the philanthropists not Steve Jobs. The author sounds like he would buy shit on a plate if someone told him it came from Steve Jobs. Read the comments below the article.
Quote from: TiNi on October 07, 2011, 02:46:00 AM
i didn't say Steve Jobs created the design industry [roll] i said that his products made it better ;)
i was making a point that Apple products aren't just to make a person "look cool" and that people actually use them to do their jobs.
Again, this is silly.
The pencil is a great invention, the mechanical pencil made it better. Does that make the person who invented it a philanthropist or give any reason to call them a great humanitarian or say that without them we'd all still be mashing up plants and painting on walls?
I thought this thread was for mourning and paying respect to a public figure.
If you don't think he is worth your time to do so, why post?
Quote from: duc750 on October 07, 2011, 03:45:01 AMBut I guess in your eyes anyone that has started a business and hired employees is a philanthropist?
That analogy can definitely be made on a philisophical level above the reality level that most (or at least those with the most impact) philanthropist's (in the more narrow definition of giving money away) are business owners. They're creating something that either never existed (enables new/better techniques), that is better than the last (improves efficiency) or competes with the same (reduces cost). They're also providing an avenue for purpose/self worth for others via employment. They also through the normal course of business operation are transferring their knowledge and capabilities to others. They're also the root the base for wealth generation without which philanthropy in the narrow definition of giving away money wouldn't exist.
So yes, business owners are philanthropists.
Quote from: somegirl on October 07, 2011, 07:29:32 AM
I thought this thread was for mourning and paying respect to a public figure.
If you don't think he is worth your time to do so, why post?
Death, grief, sadness, or any emotion that shows vulnerability
make some folks uncomfortable
If they can find a reason to scorn the dead
Be angry at them
Or
Even hate them
They supplant the discomfort
Quote from: somegirl on October 07, 2011, 07:29:32 AM
I thought this thread was for mourning and paying respect to a public figure.
If you don't think he is worth your time to do so, why post?
I didn't know this thread was solely for mourning, its title is Steve Jobs.
I just think it's funny how there's a thread about Steve Jobs and not a thread about Derrick Bell, a man who made extraordinary accomplishments in his own field as well as other fields and who also dedicated his time and life, not money, to the betterment of humanity and how we interact with other people not electronic devices.
By the way, he also died on October 5th, 2011 but somehow was overshadowed.
Quote from: Jacob on October 07, 2011, 11:26:54 AM
Death, grief, sadness, or any emotion that shows vulnerability
make some folks uncomfortable
If they can find a reason to scorn the dead
Be angry at them
Or
Even hate them
They supplant the discomfort
Making assumptions on how people handle emotions is based on conjecture.
Or maybe the need to let other people know you're better than them.
Duc750, if you could just let us know how appropriately sad or not sad someone should be in this situation, maybe everyone could just shoot for that. Work out the sadness math, and let us know how much would be rational amount of sadness to be felt in this situation. Quantify the emotional, subjective experience for us, if you don't mind.
Quote from: duc750 on October 07, 2011, 12:15:21 PM
I didn't know this thread was solely for mourning, its title is Steve Jobs.
I just think it's funny how there's a thread about Steve Jobs and not a thread about Derrick Bell, a man who made extraordinary accomplishments in his own field as well as other fields and who also dedicated his time and life, not money, to the betterment of humanity and how we interact with other people not electronic devices.
By the way, he also died on October 5th, 2011 but somehow was overshadowed.
Nobody is stopping you from starting a thread of your own, as far as I know.
Quote from: duc750 on October 07, 2011, 03:57:20 AM
Again, this is silly.
The pencil is a great invention, the mechanical pencil made it better. Does that make the person who invented it a philanthropist or give any reason to call them a great humanitarian or say that without them we'd all still be mashing up plants and painting on walls?
why is what "I" said silly? ??? i said nothing about him being a philanthropist... i was trying to explain to you that people actually use apple products to do their jobs... but you don't want to hear that... i'm done in this thread.
RIP Steve Jobs
My butt itches.
Is that bad?
Quote from: Speedbag on October 07, 2011, 04:32:56 PM
My butt itches.
Is that bad?
I think you need to go out and buy an Ipod.
(then take a shower) ;D
Quote from: duc750 on October 07, 2011, 12:15:21 PM
I didn't know this thread was solely for mourning, its title is Steve Jobs.
I just think it's funny how there's a thread about Steve Jobs and not a thread about Derrick Bell, a man who made extraordinary accomplishments in his own field as well as other fields and who also dedicated his time and life, not money, to the betterment of humanity and how we interact with other people not electronic devices.
By the way, he also died on October 5th, 2011 but somehow was overshadowed.
So...
start one.
I mean here you are dissing the guy because no one started a thread about your personal hero?
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Quote from: Vindingo on October 07, 2011, 04:37:25 PM
I think you need to go out and buy an Ipod.
(then take a shower) ;D
With the iPod?
I'm so confused....
I see duc750's point to a large degree. It wasn't over the top on this forum, but on fb and a couple other places, you would thing SJ was Jesus 2.0
below sums up my feelings in regards to those apple and SJ cult followers.
Calling the death a “tragic loss†and saying he was “truly devastated by the news,†self-described Apple product loyalist Eric Cavanaugh is treating the passing of the company’s former CEO Steve Jobs as if his make the beast with two backsing dad just died, sources confirmed Thursday. “I can’t believe it,†said Cavanaugh, 28, wearing a saddened expression that would make you think he was mourning the loss of his 61-year-old father, Jack, and not a complete goddamn stranger. “He meant a lot to me, and I’ll miss him. I think I might send an e-mail to rememberingsteve@apple.com [instead of contacting the man he hasn’t talked to in a month who helped him with his homework, paid his college tuition, and has supported him throughout his entire life, loving him unconditionally despite his myriad make the beast with two backsups].†At press time, Cavanaugh reportedly needs to get his make the beast with two backsing priorities straight.
Quote from: duc750 on October 07, 2011, 12:21:24 PM
Making assumptions on how people handle emotions is based on conjecture.
Or maybe the need to let other people know you're better than them.
It's what I do
Let's go ahead and close this one down before it gets any worse, shall we?
Quote from: DRKWNG on October 07, 2011, 07:49:53 PM
Let's go ahead and close this one down before it gets any worse, shall we?
I see no need for that.
There's only one person posting in this thread taking it in that direction.
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on October 07, 2011, 08:46:33 PM
I see no need for that.
There's only one person posting in this thread taking it in that direction.
Let me finish these beers. [drink]
Quote from: DRKWNG on October 07, 2011, 07:49:53 PM
Let's go ahead and close this one down before it gets any worse, shall we?
There hasn't been any name calling or anger towards any member, just a debate that rests on opinion. Oh, and a few personal digs towards the person posting in that direction. Which were kind of unnecessary considering none were made, by me, towards anyone here.
Either way, despite my personal views and opinions on where humanitarian recognition should lay, I hope all of you will continue to help out with answers to questions I post about bikes.
Quote from: duc750 on October 07, 2011, 12:15:21 PM
I didn't know this thread was solely for mourning, its title is Steve Jobs.
I just think it's funny how there's a thread about Steve Jobs and not a thread about Derrick Bell, a man who made extraordinary accomplishments in his own field as well as other fields and who also dedicated his time and life, not money, to the betterment of humanity and how we interact with other people not electronic devices.
By the way, he also died on October 5th, 2011 but somehow was overshadowed.
It is indeed a shame Derrick Bell's passing received little attention. I guess legal accomplishment is trumped by technology. This thread is about the passing of Steve Jobs though.
My unnecessary post removed. Just my devalued two cents. Apologies extended. [bacon] Over and out.
Being involved with and exposed to high tech since Heathkit, Trash-80s, the dawn of the PC era of the late 70s & early 80s, and having Macs since the 128K/MacWrite/MacPaint/MacDraw days, Apple could only be where it is because of Steve. Considering Apple's dimmer days of the mid 90s and to take it to the top in market value over Exxon: Wow.
The world has lost a great entrepreneur. RIP Steve.