Any experience with these 3 models?
Toyota RAV4
Nissan Rogue
Mitsu Outlander (Sport)
Quote from: IZ on October 14, 2011, 10:27:38 PM
Any experience with these 3 models?
Toyota RAV4
Nissan Rogue
Mitsu Outlander (Sport)
My mom has had the first two. I'll ask her this weekend.
It does confirm they be little old lady cars though. :P
[laugh]
Quote from: peeny on October 14, 2011, 10:33:15 PM
My mom has had the first two. I'll ask her this weekend.
It does confirm they be little old lady cars though. :P
thanks.
That's fine. Not too concerned. Just need something small to fit the s/o, baby and I. A vehicle good on gas, has a sunroof, some cargo room for baby stuff and roof rack.
We've owned 2 Mitsubishis in the past (Monstero Sport and Eclipse) and they never had a problem. Had a Toyo and 2 Lexus and they are just as good. Haven't owned a Nissan yet. Dreading dealing with them though when I go in for a test drive tomorrow. We considered the VW Tiguan and even the Jetta Wagon..because of the price, gas milage and extended moonrooof.
We have a CR-V for baby duty and have been happy with it. Might be worth adding to the list.
Nissans are pretty tough... You've seen my pickup.
It's got the 2.5L V-6 in it. I don't do nearly the maintenance that I should, but she's still running strong at 198,xxx+ miles.
My dad has an Altima that won't die either. No issues whatsoever...
Just mt $0.02
[bacon]
Quote from: peeny on October 14, 2011, 10:46:56 PM
We have a CR-V for baby duty and have been happy with it. Might be worth adding to the list.
+1
We have a used 2008 CR-V AWD lease-return we picked up a year or so ago
that we use to haul the dogs and other various oversized stuff between houses
very pleased with it...but then I am always pleased with Hondas milquetoast line-up
My dads got a little crv that i've been driving around, seems like a decent mini suv, but disappointed with the MPG, 25... maybe i expect more from a little car.
The RAV4 (at least the newer models) are extremely uncomfortable for the passengers.
The throttle, brakes, and everything else seem extremely sensitive and I feel carsick no matter who's driving
My wife had the Matrix from new before the CR-V
I would rather carve an eye out with a rusty spoon than own another Toyota car...
maybe their trucks are "better" but boy oh boy was that Matrix one sorry shit wagon
Have a bit over 11K on a '11 VW Tiguan and love it.....
I considered the Honda, Nissan, and Toyota at the time also but there was no contest. The VW is way more fun to drive.
is the toyota highlander considered a small SUV? i drove a loaner a while back, and it seemed pretty good.
can I throw out a suggestion?
the new KIA sportage is getting awesome reviews and a few car mags have rated them tops for whatever the mini-suv category is.
Many car review folks are saying KIA has caught up to Honda and Toyota for quality, surpassed them for styling (subjective) for less money.
IZ should get a vehicle from whoever will throw in a free lifetime tire protection plan.
Quote from: peeny on October 15, 2011, 06:22:09 AM
IZ should get a vehicle from whoever will throw in a free lifetime tire protection plan.
a Bobcat with foam filled tires
+1 for the Kia.
We bought one of the first 2011 models and now have 28k miles on it - a Sorrento EX. We looked at EVERYTHING. The Kia was the last one we saw and bought it that week.
The new Sportage might be more your size. We got the Sorrento for the 3rd row seat.
Would buy it again in a minute
Test drove the Tiguan and love it. But the other vehicles listed have a bit more cargo space...especially the RAV4. I have looked into the CRV as well. May look again. The wife mentioned the Kia but I'm just not sold on those yet since I have a few friends with them and have watched the vehicles break apart I will go take a test drive though. Herm, the highlander isn't a small SUV. I do like the space it offers. I'd really like a third row seat too but the price for those is a quite a few more bucks than I want to spend. The wife is trading in her Lexus in two years so we may consider it then. Price point for me right now is 20K~25K. We can get a fully loaded RX Lexus SUV right now for 25 with only 25K. I'd like a new car right now though. Btw..that is a 2007. Thanks for the info all!
I only looked at the Kia after I found out they had stolen the design engineer from Audi. Their quality control is excellent. I have zero complaints about this vehicle -- we bought it in March 2010 (came from the Georgia factory) and thus far it has exceeded all of our expectations.
The 2012 models have ironed out all of the quirkiness of the 2011 models as well. For instance, on ours, the EX comes with a power driver seat, but no power passenger. Now both are. The Koreans didn't understand if an American wants a power driver seat, he wants the passenger as well.
The leather seats have performed beautifully. Engine is excellent, MPG is nearly what they say it will be .
Also, the Hyundai "Santa Fe" is something you might want to check out.
I have friends who've chosen it over Honda/Toyota/VW/ etc...
A friend of mine's Mom had the front wheel drive one and she made it up an ice and snow covered driveway while the Lexus was stuck at the bottom...
[bacon]
I said I would rather buy new vehicle but just found this up in PHX. Mitsubishi Endeavor with 30K miles for $15K. I've had a Montero Sport that ran forever and thiss is pretty much the same vehicle. Just the redesigned model.
What you guys think? I know it's a bit bigger than the other SUVs I've been looking at but I think it's worth a look today.
http://www.chapmanmitsubishi.com/Phoenix-Used-Cars-2008-Mitsubishi-Endeavor-P1954.htm (http://www.chapmanmitsubishi.com/Phoenix-Used-Cars-2008-Mitsubishi-Endeavor-P1954.htm)
I rented one and hated it, but for that price... maybe.
Quote from: IZ on October 15, 2011, 12:11:56 PM
I said I would rather buy new vehicle but just found this up in PHX. Mitsubishi Endeavor with 30K miles for $15K. I've had a Montero Sport that ran forever and thiss is pretty much the same vehicle. Just the redesigned model.
What you guys think? I know it's a bit bigger than the other SUVs I've been looking at but I think it's worth a look today.
http://www.chapmanmitsubishi.com/Phoenix-Used-Cars-2008-Mitsubishi-Endeavor-P1954.htm (http://www.chapmanmitsubishi.com/Phoenix-Used-Cars-2008-Mitsubishi-Endeavor-P1954.htm)
for what you said you wanted it's going to use a lot more gas. it's a decent frame. chevy uses the mitsu truck for their Colorado and I think it's got the same transmission and subframe.
Quote from: peeny on October 15, 2011, 06:22:09 AM
IZ should get a vehicle from whoever will throw in a free lifetime tire protection plan.
or one of these....
(http://cdn.gajitz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/h2-hummer-tank-treads-sema-2008.jpg)
i think the H2 might be a bit bigger than a "small" SUV, but the savings on tire replacement and fender benders should offset the loss in mileage..... [cheeky]
I guess if I moved back to MI? Could use it in the UP! [cheeky]
Ducatiz..you're right. That's a V6 and the gas mileage is comparable to a 4 dr Wrangler. Which is what I really want but I want to save on gas during long roadtrips. 3 owners for that Endeavor too. No car fax worries but I'll pass.
The best v6 in that class was the Isuzu axiom. It had direct injection and made great power and excellent MPG (26 hw?). Lack of sales tho rheumatoid don't sell cars under their own name anymore
Quote from: IZ on October 15, 2011, 09:39:15 AM
Test drove the Tiguan and love it. But the other vehicles listed have a bit more cargo space....
Cargo space
is a tad limited in the Tiguan, but has been adequate for my needs. I can see how it might be iffy for some though.
I would buy a used Tiguan even with the limited cargo room but it has to have that panoramic sunroof in it. Can't find any around here.
Have you considered the Ford Escape? It's one of the more popular small SUVs sales-wise
JM
Curious what your reason is behind needing a sunroof?
I suppose if you are going to spend all that cash on a new car, you might as well get everything you want with it.
Also, make sure you are testing out rear seats with the car seat. I had some issues with a few vehicles I looked at. I ended up buying a Pacifica which is a lot bigger than I was expecting but it turned out to be a really great vehicle for me. It has captain's chairs in the second "row" which allows me to move the seat back with the car seat in. That gives the front passenger plenty of room to be comfortable still. Also has the option of third row seating. The best part about it is that I can flip down 2nd and 3rd row and fit a full size dresser in there with several boxes of crap. Plenty of options with the Pacifica. Oh and I average 20 mpg with a 3.5 V6
Looked at the Escapes the other night. I haven't checked out any used though.
Aunt has a Pacifica. A lot of options/configurations but too much and too big for my needs.
I did find a Murano just now that I do like. 2007, V6, Nav, AWD, cloth seats though and no sun/moon roof.
Lazy..my own personal needs for wanting one. Since I can't buy a 4 door Wrangler i'd like to at least have that. But..if not..the wife's next car will surely have one.
Anyway..found that Murano..any input on this?
Notice the carfax report..failed emissions first time but them passed. Had some other things worked on as well. One owner though.
http://www.hondaofsuperstitionsprings.com/certified/Nissan/2007-Nissan-Murano-aa0ac4f60a0d064900c9ab5284ee519f.htm (http://www.hondaofsuperstitionsprings.com/certified/Nissan/2007-Nissan-Murano-aa0ac4f60a0d064900c9ab5284ee519f.htm)
The carfax.. http://www.carfax.com/VehicleHistory/p/Report.cfx?partner=DLR_3&vin=JN8AZ08T97W525661&zipCode= (http://www.carfax.com/VehicleHistory/p/Report.cfx?partner=DLR_3&vin=JN8AZ08T97W525661&zipCode=)
just my $0.2 on carfax. Don't believe on them entirely, I have seen way too many cars with good carfax that had been in multiple accidents. If you buying used pay a few hundred dollar more and get it certified pre-owned from the manufacture. Don't fall for one of them dealer certified gimmick, they mean nothing. If a used vehicle is certified by a manufacture and you run into major problems you have warranty from manufacture.
If you buy ford escape make sure you check the butterfly for the gas pedal regularly, they seem to get dirty and your gas pedal kind of gets stuck on intial position a lot( personal experience).
If you can wait, Toyota is coming with Rav4 hybrid in 2012.
Quote from: The Bacon Junkie on October 14, 2011, 11:14:20 PM
Nissans are pretty tough... You've seen my pickup.
It's got the 2.5L V-6 in it. I don't do nearly the maintenance that I should, but she's still running strong at 198,xxx+ miles.
My dad has an Altima that won't die either. No issues whatsoever...
Just mt $0.02
[bacon]
+1
I had a Nissan Sentra with over 200k on it. I never had a single problem with it of any kind. Just before I sold it (For a larger vehicle) I thought that finally something had broke. The window washers stopped working right. But it turns out that a frog had got into the fluid tank and gummed up the pump.
On the other hand I have a GMC Jimmy SUV...
Don't get a GMC Jimmy...
BTW the larger vehicle we bought was on of these.
(http://images.forbes.com/images/2002/03/25/test_front_415x276.jpg)
The thing has over 82 cubic feet of cargo space in it or you can haul 7 people in it if need be. I get around 30 MPG on the highway, and its comfy. You can pick up a decent used one for 10 to 15K about 5 or 6 years old or a newer one for around 20k.
Thanks Z..I'll keep that in mind. Can't wait that long for a vehicle though.
Don't believe the carfax and certainly don't believe the salesman. The one I was dealing with over the past couple days tried to pull a bait n switch on me. >:( Thanks for calling my attention to that RM.
BTW..is it a requirement to have ones nickname on their card? I had to deal with some guy called "Batman" at VW.
DPa..I actually have been looking at a few wagons.. Caliber, Jetta wagon and the Volvo.
Anyone have FHE on the Jeep Patriots?
http://www.billluke.com/certified/Jeep/2010-Jeep-Patriot-Phoenix-2c50e5aa0a0a0002006487a997846628.htm (http://www.billluke.com/certified/Jeep/2010-Jeep-Patriot-Phoenix-2c50e5aa0a0a0002006487a997846628.htm)
IZ also you want to keep in consideration how long you are going to keep the suv for ? If you planning to drive it to the ground than I would suggest you give some serious consideration to kia ( coming from a toyota guy). If its for short term (3 - 5 years) also look at the residual values on them, You dont want to have to loose more than 50% value of a car in 4 years.
Also, depending on where you live, you want to consider the buying season. Here (mid-atlantic area) used suv 4wd price goes up a notch during winter season as compared to summer time.
Quote from: 99Zulu on October 16, 2011, 06:45:22 AM
If you can wait, Toyota is coming with Rav4 hybrid in 2012.
Not necessarily true.
We will have an RAV4 EV (with a Tesla powertrain) in 2012.
And my understanding is 1) supply will be extremely limited and 2) sales may be limited to certain states (at least initially).
No plans for a hybrid at this point (although there is an all-new RAV4 coming in 3Q 2012).
Any spy pics of that R?
Quote from: IZ on October 16, 2011, 10:28:45 AM
Any spy pics of that R?
Which one?
The EV is posted on Toyota.com
Pics of the next gen do not exist. ;D
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on October 16, 2011, 10:19:15 AM
And my understanding is 1) supply will be extremely limited and 2) sales may be limited to certain states (at least initially).
Most likely the same state that's getting the first plug-in prius ?
Quote from: 99Zulu on October 16, 2011, 10:50:00 AM
Most likely the same state that's getting the first plug-in prius ?
That would be a safe assumption, although it may be fewer states initially.
I drove an Escape also before I bought the Tiguan, and it was too trucklike in comparison. And I'm a diehard Ford guy (the VeeDub is my first foreign cage).
The new, upcoming Escape looks interesting though.
The Escape has the same truck suspension as the Mazda on which of is based. The 4wd versions perform decently but MPG is so- so.
MPG on the Escape was another thing that steered me away.
FYI, the Tiguan gets around 27 on the highway, not bad for a 4WD rig.
The Kia Sportage AWD gets 28 on the highway, usually about 22-23 in mixed driving. Our larger Sorento gets about the same.
However, the differences in MPG are minor at the high end:
The Kia definitely gets the best of the lot. The Chevy Equinox claims more, but in real world, it gets far less.
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DMF/725b9c30.jpg)
I am a VW guy and I love the Tiguan, but if it is in the ballpark of reason, then you have no excuse to not look at a BMW X3....just sayin....
Quote from: zooom on October 17, 2011, 05:39:28 AM
I am a VW guy and I love the Tiguan, but if it is in the ballpark of reason, then you have no excuse to not look at a BMW X3....just sayin....
his price point is much lower and if it's out of warranty that will be the bill to repair it in three years. BMW - break my wallet :o
Quote from: muskrat on October 17, 2011, 07:45:06 AM
his price point is much lower and if it's out of warranty that will be the bill to repair it in three years. BMW - break my wallet :o
older X3 2.5's are pretty durned reliable....
A depreciated luxury brand costs the same to fix as though it were new. ;)
I think I have it narrowed down to 2..testing them tonight.
'09 Rogue..newer and with lower mileage. Comfort in the back seat..not so much.
http://powernissantempe.com/Tempe/For-Sale/Used/Nissan/Rogue/2009-SL-Silver-SUV/3192736/ (http://powernissantempe.com/Tempe/For-Sale/Used/Nissan/Rogue/2009-SL-Silver-SUV/3192736/)
'06 RAV4 with V6 4x4. More cargo room and rear seats that recline for a lot of riding for the passangers (my parents).
http://www.showcasehonda.com/used/Toyota/2006-Toyota-RAV4-cb5a9d6c0a0d048e009bf20197fda835.htm?useHistory=true# (http://www.showcasehonda.com/used/Toyota/2006-Toyota-RAV4-cb5a9d6c0a0d048e009bf20197fda835.htm?useHistory=true#)
If it were down to these two..no other options..which one
Quote from: IZ on October 17, 2011, 08:49:19 AM
I think I have it narrowed down to 2..testing them tonight.
'09 Rogue..newer and with lower mileage. Comfort in the back seat..not so much.
http://powernissantempe.com/Tempe/For-Sale/Used/Nissan/Rogue/2009-SL-Silver-SUV/3192736/ (http://powernissantempe.com/Tempe/For-Sale/Used/Nissan/Rogue/2009-SL-Silver-SUV/3192736/)
'06 RAV4 with V6 4x4. More cargo room and rear seats that recline for a lot of riding for the passangers (my parents).
http://www.showcasehonda.com/used/Toyota/2006-Toyota-RAV4-cb5a9d6c0a0d048e009bf20197fda835.htm?useHistory=true# (http://www.showcasehonda.com/used/Toyota/2006-Toyota-RAV4-cb5a9d6c0a0d048e009bf20197fda835.htm?useHistory=true#)
If it were down to these two..no other options..which one
between those two, i would go for the toy. the rogue isn't in the same class imho.
that being said, the looks of the rav me no likey.
i like the toyota's v6 over the nissan's I4..
RAV4 seconded, with similar reservations.
BTW, are you hoping to have passengers on either side of a car seat in the back of whatever you buy? If so, you should bring the carseat along to get an idea of how much space is left with it in the middle. The person-carseat-person configuration is hard to pull off. If you want to put people in the back row, also make sure there is a way to flip down the second row with a carseat installed (would have to be a non-center position), and that the third row is comfortable-ish, and relatively easy to get to (it was a consideration for us and our ageing parents)
Back seat will just have my wife and or my mom on one side and the baby seat on the other. I don't particularly care for the looks of the Toyota either but it gets higher marks. The Rogue has about 10K less in mileage though. Not sure if The RAV is Toyota certified either.
Quote from: IZ on October 17, 2011, 11:01:02 AM
Back seat will just have my wife and or my mom on one side and the baby seat on the other. I don't particularly care for the looks of the Toyota either but it gets higher marks. The Rogue has about 10K less in mileage though. Not sure if The RAV is Toyota certified either.
If you are buying rav4 from a Toyota dealership , ask them if they can certify it. They might charge you $350 to $500 more than non certified, Its fees dealer have to pay when the car is sold certified .
If they say they might have to fix a few minor things to get the car certified, I say let them do that and pay for that.
IF dealer says they CANNOT certify the car. Walk away...
I hate the RAV4. Simply can't stand the damn thing.
I was actually looking at the VW, but the wife was not comfortable sitting in it. We moved on to the Ford Edge, but it has no 3rd seat available. So now we're looking at the Subaru Tribeca. It might be a bit larger than what you're looking for.
Quote from: 99Zulu on October 17, 2011, 12:11:11 PM
If you are buying rav4 from a Toyota dealership , ask them if they can certify it. They might charge you $350 to $500 more than non certified, Its fees dealer have to pay when the car is sold certified .
If they say they might have to fix a few minor things to get the car certified, I say let them do that and pay for that.
IF dealer says they CANNOT certify the car. Walk away...
sometimes, certifying a car isn't as simple as you think....the manufacturer has VERY specific guidelines for that and most dealers want to certify a car, because they can sell it for more with that label....
Quote from: duccarlos on October 17, 2011, 01:07:00 PM
I hate the RAV4. Simply can't stand the damn thing.
J
I was actually looking at the VW, but the wife was not comfortable sitting in it. We moved on to the Ford Edge, but it has no 3rd seat available. So now we're looking at the Subaru Tribeca. It might be a bit larger than what you're looking for.
Only a few in that size with a 3rd row
I'm very partial to the Kia. It has exceeded all expectations.
Kia Sorento, Dodge Journey, Toyota Rav and the Suzuki I think. Most of the ones with a 3rd row are bigger.
If you are looking at a Rogue or RAV4, maybe you would like a Subaru Forester. We test drove CR-V's, RAV 4, Dodge Nitro and Journey etc. We purchased the Subaru. The thing that sold me on the Forester is that handles more like a car than a SUV and is fun to drive (for a SUV). Fuel economy is not as good as some of the others on paper, I doubt that most of them actually get advertised fuel economy in real world driving.
Subie needs to put the 6sp from the Outback into the Forrester. Much better MPG.
I thought The Outback has CVT, anyway the 4 speed is not that bad plus it has Sport Shift to manually shift which is handy for on ramps or some twistys. The Forester is not the best at any one thing but It does have a good amount of room in the back, also has good safety ratings. We did get some snow here in Texas last year and the AWD worked great. Even my Wife was able to drive to work in the snow. :)
Quote from: lilmonster on October 17, 2011, 07:07:41 PM
I thought The Outback has CVT,
You are correct, it has a 6-speed "linearmatic" mode I thought it was a straight 6 speed auto.
Meanwhile:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/kia-motors-america-posts-highest-brand-loyalty-ranking-in-latest-study-by-experian-automotive-2011-10-17 (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/kia-motors-america-posts-highest-brand-loyalty-ranking-in-latest-study-by-experian-automotive-2011-10-17)
Kia keeps scooping up the awards.
Need3 rows just get the 2011-12 durango, might aswell get thehemi,only live once.... on that note, no 3rd row needed, trailblazer ss or jeep srt8... just go balls to the wall... i need a 3rd row, dodge it is once the new baby is born...
Car seat, its better to fit it in the middle incase of side impact..
On the way to see the Rogue tonight and came across a clean Murano. '06 with 50K miles. Started negotiating the price and found out they replaced the motor mounts. So that red flag and hearing that the CVT engine has had problems steered me away and also away from the Rogue. This isn't an easy task.
**Seems like a common problem with these..
http://repairpal.com/failing-engine-mounts-will-cause-thumping-in-floor-868 (http://repairpal.com/failing-engine-mounts-will-cause-thumping-in-floor-868)
A lot of cars use soft engine mounts these days for crash performance.
Volvos have had this issue for years. Its just known you'll replace them every 5-7 years depending on your driving. I wouldn't consider that a problem. They are made to degrade..
Quote from: ducatiz on October 18, 2011, 03:25:19 AM
A lot of cars use soft engine mounts these days for crash performance.
and general dampening because the engineers finally got the message that most moronic car buyers want to be isolated from the driving experience and want what basically equates to a living room feel in their vehicles...which, I can't necessarily fault if you are stuck in your vehicle for more than an hour at a time when commuting....
Quote from: ducatiz on October 18, 2011, 03:25:19 AM
Its just known you'll replace them every 5-7 years depending on your driving. I wouldn't consider that a problem. They are made to degrade..
alot of parts are made to this kind of general guideline in a car nowadays....
Don't get me started on how most vehicles these days require complete replacement of suspension arms just because the ball joints are shot.
And so on. >:(
Quote from: Speedbag on October 18, 2011, 08:24:38 AM
Don't get me started on how most vehicles these days require complete replacement of suspension arms just because the ball joints are shot.
And so on. >:(
the term is called "Planned Obsolesence"....it is engineered in...
Yeah, sometimes at around the 50K mark, as the case was with our Jeep Compass. :P
has been a known thing with Chrysler truck oriented products for many years...
Quote from: Speedbag on October 18, 2011, 08:24:38 AM
Don't get me started on how most vehicles these days require complete replacement of suspension arms just because the ball joints are shot.
And so on. >:(
most people drive like complete idiots.
Quote from: cokey on October 17, 2011, 07:33:00 PM
jeep srt8...
I was seriously considering replacing the Xterra with a Grand Cherokee SRT8...
...until I read it got 8 miles to the gallon. Damn...no thanks (although I still like them).
Just jumped in... (no idea if anyone suggested)
We started looking and (surprised we where) but really liked the Hyundai Santa Fe, previous versions (not this year or 2012) have a third row that folds completely into the car (it was an option.) So small SUV with a good warranty and people are keeping them, not a lot around in the used market. I have talked to my old contacts in the industry and looked on line.
Personally I love Audi's and we where looking for something smaller than our Expedition.
Good hunting [cheeky]
Quote from: Polpetta on October 18, 2011, 07:53:13 PM
Just jumped in... (no idea if anyone suggested)
We started looking and (surprised we where) but really liked the Hyundai Santa Fe, previous versions (not this year or 2012) have a third row that folds completely into the car (it was an option.) So small SUV with a good warranty and people are keeping them, not a lot around in the used market. I have talked to my old contacts in the industry and looked on line.
Personally I love Audi's and we where looking for something smaller than our Expedition.
Good hunting [cheeky]
The older Santa Fes had a truck suspension, the newer one is redesigned and is really a "CUV" .. the new one does not have a 3rd row option anymore, however the Kia version does...
8mpg, yup.. but you dont be fast cars/trucks for their gas mileage.
Motor mounts; have solid ones as well the trans mount... my car rattles so much from the stiffness it puts everyone to sleep..
Went and looked at the Kia SUVs last night. Testing one today. Like the heated and cooled seats option! Pluss the dual sunroof. Actually liked that new 3 door hatchback by Huyundai but not enough room in the trunck for a stroller. Testing out the Kia though today.
Quote from: IZ on October 19, 2011, 10:48:38 AM
Went and looked at the Kia SUVs last night. Testing one today. Like the heated and cooled seats option! Pluss the dual sunroof. Actually liked that new 3 door hatchback by Huyundai but not enough room in the trunck for a stroller. Testing out the Kia though today.
Which one? Sorento or sportage?
Sportage.
Quote from: IZ on October 19, 2011, 07:37:43 PM
Sportage.
After we loved the Sorento, I test drove the Sportage (a year later).. I liked it a LOT, but I am not ready to give up my Golf TDI. IT's a shame too, cause Kia makes a great diesel engine they ship in ROW
How did you like it?
Didn't get a chance to go there tonight. There are a few '11s left though so they are wanting to make a deal.
Do they have any awd models?
It is a much tighter drive than you expect. It is fwd biased but you can lock the diff. I think the sportage has the hill brake assist too which I first thought would be annoying as I drive stick and am used to doing it differently but its proven itself.
The i4 motor would be much better with LP Turbo bit its good as is for a commuter and family car. Tell me what you think of the cargo space
Cargo seems to be small. Nothing like the CRV or RAV4. I don't like the fact that back seats to recline either. going on long road trips with it and that would be nice. Anyway, cargo room might be enough to take stroller and luggage but not much else. Roof rack will be in order along with extra storage.
Quote from: IZ on October 20, 2011, 01:16:49 PM
Cargo seems to be small. Nothing like the CRV or RAV4. I don't like the fact that back seats to recline either. going on long road trips with it and that would be nice. Anyway, cargo room might be enough to take stroller and luggage but not much else. Roof rack will be in order along with extra storage.
They don't recline at all or not far enough? The Sorento seats do recline to about 45deg. I'm curious how much space those had because I estimated about 3-4 suitcases plus random stuff to fit. We usually travel with 2 full sized pullmans.
Back seats don't recline at all. They're fixed just like the Rogue. Testing them this weekend when my dad comes up to PHX. Getting his opinion on used vehicles in case I go with the RAV.
The rear (mid) seats on the Sorento recline. It's nearly identical, but it's longer than the Sportage. You might like it with or without the 3rd row. The Sorento also has a V6 version, but we're very happy with the I4
Yeah, they had an I4 with a third row. Said those are harder to come by. Like thought of third row just in case. That "third row" bench in the back of the Outlander was a joke! The seat was a frame with a cloth on top. Definately DOD emergencies only. That vehicle had the CVT transmission slobh with the paddle shifters. Not a fan.
Quote from: IZ on October 20, 2011, 09:51:58 PM
Yeah, they had an I4 with a third row. Said those are harder to come by. Like thought of third row just in case. That "third row" bench in the back of the Outlander was a joke! The seat was a frame with a cloth on top. Definately DOD emergencies only. That vehicle had the CVT transmission slobh with the paddle shifters. Not a fan.
Sorento with paddles? Is that the SX model?
The 3rd row on the Sorento isn't bad. I tried it for the test drive. Made the salesman drive me around while I rode there. It is great for kids or shorter folk. Maybe up to 5'5 Max... it has real seat cushions too.
Sorry. I must have typed that last message from my phone. Damn touch screen errors. The paddle shift was in the outlander.
aha.. i know they are rolling out some vehicles with paddle shift.. the new Optima hybrid has them..
i'm still surprised about the sportage rear seats -- i assumed the sportage was just a shortened chassis from the sorento, but maybe it's more different than i thought.
you might like the utility of the Kia Rondo, but it's a face only a mother could love. people who own them love them, but they look like a pigs ass to me.
Haven't looked but sounds similar to an Aztec.
Quote from: IZ on October 21, 2011, 07:19:10 AM
Haven't looked but sounds similar to an Aztec.
yes and no. the rondo looks utilitarian ugly whereas the aztec was just badly designed.
if you have followed the korean makers over the years, you can see why they made it. it is like a camel -- purely functional, excellent mechanics, but little regard for the aesthetics, at least on the outside. i had one as a rental and it drove fine, but stepping back from it ..well.. not the prettiest girl at the orgy.
Just get a Cayenne
Quote from: duccarlos on October 21, 2011, 10:59:42 AM
Just get a Cayenne
or sneak a Q7 with the V12 TDI into the country
a minivan is still his best option.
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on October 21, 2011, 08:45:25 PM
a minivan is still his best option.
a practical vehicle to be sure, however, one that requires the male owner recieve testosterone replacement therapy for the duration of ownership.
Quote from: pitbull on October 26, 2011, 02:41:36 PM
a practical vehicle to be sure, however, one that requires the male owner recieve testosterone replacement therapy for the duration of ownership.
he could always buy those chrome bull testicles
that rednecks hang under their trailer hitches, bumpers etc on their trucks
Trying to work out a deal on a RAV. Hopefully will be in the garage by the end of weekend..if not sooner!
Definitely, getting some chrome balls for it too! [thumbsup] Thanks Rat!
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on October 21, 2011, 08:45:25 PM
a minivan is still his best option.
Can you fit a Monster in it?
Noooo, not the rav4...
Quote from: cokey on October 28, 2011, 04:45:51 PM
Noooo, not the rav4...
Why not?
It's continually rated at the top of the heap by the major car mags when they do comparisons.
I hear the devil drives one.
Not manly engh for my bud iz... if its anything like the older one, they arent comfortable.
Is a hobbit week longer than a human week?
Quote from: cokey on October 28, 2011, 05:27:50 PM
Not manly engh for my bud iz... if its anything like the older one, they arent comfortable.
Which "older" one?
Quote from: ducpainter on October 28, 2011, 05:28:43 PM
Is a hobbit week longer than a human week?
it's eleventy seven hours long
Forget which model year it was '10-09 maybe.. my aunt had it (in her 50s) said it was blah and rather be driving stick shift..
Picky shopper. Week turned into two.
must be odd to see a baby seat behind the wheel
Testing anything else?
Quote from: IZ on October 28, 2011, 05:56:53 PM
Picky shopper. Week turned into two.
We looked at SUV/CUVs for 6 months before getting the Kia. I test drove 11 different vehicles! Get exactly what you want.
Quote from: ducatiz on October 28, 2011, 08:17:27 PM
We looked at SUV/CUVs for 6 months before getting the Kia. I test drove 11 different vehicles! Get exactly what you want.
[thumbsup]
Done.
Thanks for the info all.
did u get the rav?
Yes. New '11 black RAV Limited
& where are the IZ_ pics Mr. Iz??? ;)
Quote from: elyse on October 30, 2011, 06:14:20 PM
& where are the IZ_ pics Mr. Iz??? ;)
computer ate them. >:(
They are in the folder. I just can't get to them from photobucket
my computer recently ate everything too so i'll give you a pass this time :)
Dont worry its not for ever.
With six in our family, I had a Toyota Avensis for a couple of years, an emasculating experience!
Sold it and they've grown back.
Quote from: IZ on October 30, 2011, 03:26:58 PM
Yes. New '11 black RAV Limited
8)
That was my second choice behind the Tiguan, but my gag reflex couldn't quite handle the dash design of the RAV.
Again...love the Tiguan. Just doesn't have the cargo space for a baby, cargo and a giant breed dog.
Quote from: IZ on October 31, 2011, 11:13:54 AM
Again...love the Tiguan. Just doesn't have the cargo space for a baby, cargo and a giant breed dog.
feed the dog to the baby and your problem is solved.....J/K
Quote from: IZ on October 31, 2011, 11:13:54 AM
Again...love the Tiguan. Just doesn't have the cargo space for a baby, cargo and a giant breed dog.
Giant breed dog?! Your dog is about the size of a friggin' football, Adam! [roll]
Well, now that I think about it... For you that's pretty large. :-*
;D
[bacon]
[laugh]
New mastiff pup...coming soon!
Quote from: The Bacon Junkie on October 31, 2011, 01:51:51 PM
Giant breed dog?! Your dog is about the size of a friggin' football, Adam! [roll]
Well, now that I think about it... For you that's pretty large. :-*
;D
[bacon]
I was thinking the same thing...
Quote from: IZ on October 31, 2011, 02:37:30 PM
New mastiff pup...coming soon!
Let me guess... this week? ;D
Quote from: IZ on October 31, 2011, 02:37:30 PM
New mastiff pup...coming soon!
Define "soon"....
Um...IZ...if the mastiff pup is "giant" now...
...in a year you might find your mastiff a bit more challenging...
Don't worry AJ...
He'll be able to throw a saddle over it and ride it like a pony. [cheeky]
[bacon]
Quote from: AJ on October 31, 2011, 06:57:49 PM
Um...IZ...if the mastiff pup is "giant" now...
...in a year you might find your mastiff a bit more challenging...
gi-huge-ic be the right word?
Better buy a snowshovel for taking him on walks...
Know what to expect with a mastiff. Already had an English mastiff on the past
Quote from: IZ on November 01, 2011, 10:41:41 AM
Know what to expect with a mastiff. Already had an English mastiff on the past
Farts to rival the kids?
I'm not visiting.
Yeah on the large pup!!!!! ;D Can't wait for pic's [thumbsup]
We at the "Shire" ended up with the Santa Fe.... all three of our puppies fit in our A4 so they have to fit in the SF [cheeky] We did actually measure to make sure Jasper can stand up in it! We bought one that has the 3rd seat in case our nieces and nephews are hanging out with us. We are down sizing from the Expedition .... the puppies loved to travel in it, so now they will just have to snuggle a little more [cheeky]
I still haven't seen a picture of the minivan yet, so I'm not sure it exists.
Quote from: The Bacon Junkie on October 31, 2011, 01:51:51 PM
Giant breed dog?! Your dog is about the size of a friggin' football, Adam! [roll]
[laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: The Bacon Junkie on October 31, 2011, 01:51:51 PM
Well, now that I think about it... For you that's pretty large. :-*
;D
[bacon]
[laugh] [laugh] [clap] [clap] [laugh] [laugh]
Laugh it up [cheeky]
Really liking this vehicle though. Really should've got a V6 4WD but we'll look into that when the wife buys a new vehicle in 2 years. Anyway, buying the Thule MOAB basket and box to add extra storage for the top and we'll be set to take it in the cross country trips we have planned before the new year. Getting about 30 mpg so far. [thumbsup]
Quote from: IZ on November 03, 2011, 07:17:58 PM
Getting about 30 mpg so far. [thumbsup]
And that's something that would have never happened with the wrangler you wanted, not even with those imperial gallons you guys use in the Shire.
Quote from: DRKWNG on November 04, 2011, 03:32:27 AM
...not even with those imperial gallons you guys use in the Shire.
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
[beer]
Finally able to download a few pics.
(http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss158/izaac10_album/RAV4_2.jpg)
(http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss158/izaac10_album/RAV4_3.jpg)
(http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss158/izaac10_album/RAV4_5.jpg)
(http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss158/izaac10_album/Rav4_4.jpg)
Certainly doesn't have Land Cruiser leg room in the back but the back seats do slide back and recline.