http://www.1199panigale.ducati.com/en/ (http://www.1199panigale.ducati.com/en/)
All my doubts are gone, LOVE IT!!
Anyone want to buy a heavily used kidney?
I downloaded some picture of the Tricolore [drool] and have them running as my desktop background. I love the tail lights.
Video up here as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vVKLl-ZBUwg# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vVKLl-ZBUwg#)!
Rawr. [drool]
Wowza! Looks waaaaaayyyy better in these photos. :o
Could just be talented photo work though. ;)
I wonder what an oil change will involve. The exhaust looks too busy down there.
Also, the asymmetrical exhaust cut outs on the fairings will likely make variety of exhaust designs challenging.
I'm surprised at how nice and refined the speedo looks, albeit, a bit bland.
Well, I'm not ready to sell a testicle and rush to my dealer, but I don't dislike it.
I'll have to go see one in the dealer showroom, and see if it stirs my soul and/or loins. Then I can decide whether or not to buy it with the money I don't really have.
Looks great. Time to save my pennies...
I think it's gorgeous, but I'm waiting for a middleweight. I already have trouble controlling the torque and power from a 1098.
How long before they turn out an 800 version? Love the looks, but no way can I afford the bigger brother. [drool] [drool]
Ducati Superbike 1199 Panigale - Checkmate. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVKLl-ZBUwg&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
Quote from: swampduc on November 07, 2011, 10:34:25 AM
I think it's gorgeous, but I'm waiting for a middleweight. I already have trouble controlling the torque and power from a 1098.
well, they have riding modes now so you can detune it if you dont need the extra power.
but yeah...
i'd def hit that.
i wonder if they are going to ever base a sf on this chassis? could be interesting... would just look like a engine and two wheels. as stripped down a bike as possible.
Quote from: thought on November 07, 2011, 10:53:07 AM
i wonder if they are going to ever base a sf on this chassis? could be interesting... would just look like a engine and two wheels. as stripped down a bike as possible.
I'm filing that under "careful what you wish for" until I see this (non)chassis idea work better in superbike that it has in MotoGP.
Quote from: zarn02 on November 07, 2011, 10:56:38 AM
I'm filing that under "careful what you wish for" until I see this (non)chassis idea work better in superbike that it has in MotoGP.
i'd actually think in some ways it would work better for the sf concept because you generally wont push a sf as hard as you do a sbk. it would still have limitations at the track when you're at 11/10's but in the street? not so much i'd say.
they would have a hell of a time hiding the wiring though. everything would prob have be pretty much routed under the airbox/tank. no where else to hide anything.
I like
Other than the tank that looks a little out of place, I am loving the 1199. Can't wait to see it in person at the international motorcycle show!
I wanted to hate it.
I can't.
Love the tail section and surfaces on the upper areas. The only minor niggle I have is the front would look stronger with a horizontal surface under the twin headlights. The one on it looks like a hare lip.
Video looked confident, maybe sped up 5% or so?
Nice either way. Need to see it in person for a final take.
Gorgeous piece of art. Just one more damn thing that I can't afford!
Ducati 1199 Panigale - Beauty video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiIcqZoQQwg&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
Why does the right-side bodywork emphasize the clutch when it's wet, and there's therefore nothing to see?
Forthcoming dry clutch conversion kit?
I really like it so far. I'm not a big fan of the tri-color, but I never am. The red version... [drool]
I think I'll make it my wallpaper, and see how it grows on me with regular viewing.
Me like
Cool development video
Ducati 1199 Panigale - Development video (English) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l84xUQXMrzs&feature=player_embedded#)
has a bit of this going on:
(http://www.nexusoneforum.net/wallpapers/data/521/Cylon-Droid-WP.jpg)
absolutely love it. it looks liek an R6 in some way though.
Love it. I wonder of that TFT instrument panel looks good in direct sunlight?
All that new go-fast bling is nice and all but I read that the tank is now made from aluminum! [clap]
The bike is so beautiful it made me forget the abysmal performance the GP11/GP11.1 had this year ;D
Quote from: Bill in OKC on November 07, 2011, 03:25:39 PM
All that new go-fast bling is nice and all but I read that the tank is now made from aluminum! [clap]
where did you read this? the last i heard it was still plastic with tank skins now.
Quote from: thought on November 07, 2011, 04:00:23 PM
where did you read this? the last i heard it was still plastic with tank skins now.
... says so in the video above
Quote from: stopintime on November 07, 2011, 04:34:06 PM
... says so in the video above
doh.
that's pretty awesome though... i wonder if they are going to move all the bikes to alu tank or just the marquee bikes?
That video was badass
Bike looks badass
Wife is going to beat my ass when I spend the kids college fund on it
Really like it. However, what is the black tube-like thing between the swingarm and the seat?
Oh God. Drool everywhere. Keyboard ruined.
I LOVE this bike.
Quote from: hackers2r on November 07, 2011, 06:52:37 PM
Really like it. However, what is the black tube-like thing between the swingarm and the seat?
heat shield for the exhaust:
(http://www.1199panigale.ducati.com/images/multimedia_moto/panigale-s-tricolore/21.jpg)
Excuse my ignorance, but has the engine rolled back a couple of degrees? The vertical head no longer looks vertical.
This bike is unreal. It makes everything else look prehistoric, heavy, and slow.
I hope the electronics are reliable. It's like the engineers at Ducati came up with 100 suggestions and management said "What the hell. Do ALL of it!"
I can't wait to see it in person.
Mi piace molto.
[drool]
kinda sad over the wet clutch/no trellis thing... but sweet zombie jesus does that bike look good.
why couldn't the 1098 have looked like that instead?
Quote from: The Don on November 07, 2011, 07:38:21 PM
Excuse my ignorance, but has the engine rolled back a couple of degrees? The vertical head no longer looks vertical.
(http://www.1199panigale.ducati.com/images/slices/moto/bg_slice03.jpg)
Weight distribution strategy?
Quote from: muskrat on November 07, 2011, 09:11:21 PM
Weight distribution strategy?
If I recall, the idea was more to allow for a shorter wheelbase.
Quote from: muskrat on November 07, 2011, 09:11:21 PM
Weight distribution strategy?
Website says it's for weight distribution.
52% up front, 48% out back without the rider. Claims a more even, perfect, distribution with the rider on board.
I love the Tricolore!
At last a dashboard that can be read. Diggin' the new wheel designs.
But....................
(http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx24/rickmch/Ducati%201199/1199monocoque.png)
Valve adjustment on the vertical cylinder is going to be a pregnant dog pards.
doubt it. tank, 4 bolts, unclip rear wiring harness.... IF the engineers did their job.
Quote from: Raux on November 07, 2011, 10:18:50 PM
doubt it. tank, 4 bolts, unclip rear wiring harness.... IF the engineers did their job.
I hope so.
not sure if mentioned, but it has a gear indicator built into the dash.
Quote from: Raux on November 07, 2011, 11:50:16 PM
not sure if mentioned, but it has a gear indicator built into the dash.
Finally, that helping hand I've been looking for to assist me with my inability to count.
[laugh] [laugh] [cheeky]
Thank you! I always wondered was gear I'm in.
[laugh]
ZOMFG sweet baby Jesus in a baby seal costume, WANT!
I would drag my man bits through a mile of broken glass just to stand in the shadow of the last guy who rode it.
Can you tell I really want? Call to credit union in 3...2...1...
Even though I have absolutely no reason to buy it, I want one. In red.
Quote from: Raux on November 07, 2011, 10:18:50 PM
doubt it. tank, 4 bolts, unclip rear wiring harness.... IF the engineers did their job.
not to mention it has 15k service intervals too
Quote from: thought on November 08, 2011, 09:56:09 AM
not to mention it has 15k service intervals too
By then, most of the ducati owners will be riding iphones anyway...
;D
I think the tricolor looks 10X better than the red.
mitt
Quote from: DesmoLu on November 08, 2011, 08:00:20 AM
ZOMFG sweet baby Jesus in a baby seal costume, WANT!
I would drag my man bits through a mile of broken glass just to stand in the shadow of the last guy who rode it.
Can you tell I really want? Call to credit union in 3...2...1...
Ummm.... man bits? ???
No fuel gauge? >:(. Just a warning light?
I want a tricolore [drool]
Quote from: The Zombie Pip on November 08, 2011, 10:28:57 AM
Ummm.... man bits? ???
Y'know, I wasn't going to say anything...
Quote from: muskrat on November 08, 2011, 03:02:52 PM
No fuel gauge? >:(. Just a warning light?
Fuel gauges are for the weak.
And it's never too long a walk back when you're at the race track.
Quote from: muskrat on November 08, 2011, 03:02:52 PM
No fuel gauge? >:(. Just a warning light?
I'm on my third Duc and none of them have had a gauge.
And only one of them had a warning light that actually worked.
Quote from: Rameses on November 08, 2011, 03:37:31 PM
I'm on my third Duc and none of them have had a gauge.
And only one of them had a warning light that actually worked.
I owned one with a fuel gauge. It was worthless! [laugh]
Quote from: triangleforge on November 08, 2011, 03:21:35 PM
Y'know, I wasn't going to say anything...
I'm assuming she's talking about the man bits that she has possession of as opposed to ones that are attached...
Quote from: Punx Clever on November 08, 2011, 08:22:56 PM
I'm assuming she's talking about the man bits that she has possession of as opposed to ones that are attached...
Lucrece perma-logged into her account on my phone strikes again...
It are my man bits I referred to, but I guess that after 3 and a half years they might as well be hers...
I wondered where you ran off to....
Just received a mail from the dealer; prices in Belgium start from 19200â,¬.
Ouch...
Quote from: IdZer0 on November 09, 2011, 04:54:03 AM
Just received a mail from the dealer; prices in Belgium start from 19200â,¬.
holy wallet crimp batman! dang ... that's wild. how do they justify
that? they'd have problems selling in the states with that price.
found this..... http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/619/11484/Motorcycle-Article/2012-Ducati-1199-Panigale-First-Look.aspx (http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/619/11484/Motorcycle-Article/2012-Ducati-1199-Panigale-First-Look.aspx)
The 2012 Ducati 1199 Panigale comes with a two-year warranty and costs $17,995; the "S" version lists for $22,995; while the Tricolore goes for $27,995.
Quote from: abby normal on November 09, 2011, 06:28:03 AM
holy wallet crimp batman! dang ... that's wild. how do they justify
that? they'd have problems selling in the states with that price.
It sucks, but that's just the way it is.
For reference a price of the 1198 was 18.000â,¬.
http://www.ducatiherzele.be/prijslijst.html (http://www.ducatiherzele.be/prijslijst.html)
Oh and on top of that for 195 bhp the registration is 2.500â,¬
Quote from: MadDuc 20/20 on November 09, 2011, 07:14:49 AM
found this..... http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/619/11484/Motorcycle-Article/2012-Ducati-1199-Panigale-First-Look.aspx (http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/619/11484/Motorcycle-Article/2012-Ducati-1199-Panigale-First-Look.aspx)
The 2012 Ducati 1199 Panigale comes with a two-year warranty and costs $17,995; the "S" version lists for $22,995; while the Tricolore goes for $27,995.
the prices in the us seem reasonable for me... sfs 18,999, and then mts1200 and the diavel being around 20k.
Bike looks interesting enough.
Makes me want to go hug my 916SPS and it's undertail Termis. I'll make sure she knows they are safe. ;D
Quote from: IdZer0 on November 09, 2011, 04:54:03 AM
Just received a mail from the dealer; prices in Belgium start from 19200â,¬.
Norway: base model ~ $ 53,000 [beer]
Luxury tax and 25% VAT
Quote from: stopintime on November 09, 2011, 09:26:12 AM
Norway: base model ~ $ 53,000 [beer]
Luxury tax and 25% VAT
No wonder US is their bigest market [roll]
Quote from: stopintime on November 09, 2011, 09:26:12 AM
Norway: base model ~ $ 53,000 [beer]
Luxury tax and 25% VAT
[thumbsdown]
LOVE!!
On my way to milan to see it in the flesh
Quote from: Raux on November 09, 2011, 11:45:32 PM
On my way to milan to see it in the flesh
PICS! or it didn't happen.... Ya lucky bastid.
What's the gas tank made out of?
Aluminum.
Quote from: Duck-Stew on November 10, 2011, 09:20:15 AM
PICS! or it didn't happen.... Ya lucky bastid.
you'll have to check out my fb or ducati network profiles to see them and ill have more to post when i get back to germany tomorrow
met chris fr desmoworld and the evr brain who may have a surprise in store next year if i keep the pressure on 8)
also saw capirossi and checa but the typical crowd crush i just took pics from afar
I think karl abraham (sp?) was at the 1199 stand so i took pocs and will compare when i get home
The 1199 is hard to photograph
On the plane back met two germans from ramstein
between them they own at least two desmosedici two 1198 and a streetfighter. they said they'll wait til year two to see if the 1199 is that good and troublefree
that's telling from two guys who own gp bikes
Quote from: Raux on November 12, 2011, 02:06:36 AM
On the plane back met two germans from ramstein
between them they own at least two desmosedici two 1198 and a streetfighter. they said they'll wait til year two to see if the 1199 is that good and troublefree
that's telling from two guys who own gp bikes
Must be nice to have such pressing decisions to make in life [roll]
What did yah think of the 1199 Raux? Not sure when I'll be able to see one in person
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/ducati-1199-panigale-supersport-trim-eicma/ (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/ducati-1199-panigale-supersport-trim-eicma/)
1199 in superstock trim. Go, and behold.
I wonder what the bike would cost if they'd sell it in this trim as a track only bike (not first buying a stock or S version and then converting it with stuff from the DP catalogue).
Rear shock looks a bit vulnerable...
Quote from: DRKWNG on November 13, 2011, 05:05:03 AM
Rear shock looks a bit vulnerable...
there's some sort of sheilding on the spring for rider, but yeah all the canisters and electronic modules are out in the open.
my keyboard just served me with paternity suit.
Quote from: Raux on November 13, 2011, 06:37:59 AM
there's some sort of sheilding on the spring for rider, but yeah all the canisters and electronic modules are out in the open.
If you're going to fall down just make sure it's on the right side. ;D
Quote from: MacDuck on November 17, 2011, 08:29:48 AM
If you're going to fall down just make sure it's on the right side. ;D
Your open dry clutch will thank you.
Quote from: Triple J on November 17, 2011, 08:59:09 AM
It's wet.
Other's are not. I just find it odd to note the lack of protection of a shock when so many of us run fully exposed clutches.
That is all.
Quote from: NorDog on November 17, 2011, 10:03:33 AM
Other's are not. I just find it odd to note the lack of protection of a shock when so many of us run fully exposed clutches.
That is all.
I noted the exposed shock, AND run a clutch cover that would most likely head on collision with a Soyuz rocket.
Son of a ... another one I can't own. F'ing beautiful, in a new kind of way. Well done. [clap]
Quote from: polivo on November 16, 2011, 12:18:55 PM
my keyboard just served me with paternity suit.
Thank you for my new signature.
rumor is that Ducati corporate will not be at the international motorcycle show. Is that so? I was told they'd try to get a Pannigale stateside to show and now this rumor surfaced????
Quote from: NorDog on November 17, 2011, 10:03:33 AM
Other's are not. I just find it odd to note the lack of protection of a shock when so many of us run fully exposed clutches.
That is all.
Who are we trying to kid? If any of us fall down then it's a sad day. Doesn't matter which side. ;D Fall down on a Panigale and it'll be a really sad day. :-[
And not that I'm calling the evil forces but someday, on some forum, there is going to be that post "I went down on my new 1199".
"Fuel tank capacity 17l (4.5 gallon US)"
I wonder how they did that....
Quote from: ducatiz on November 18, 2011, 09:49:32 AM
"Fuel tank capacity 17l (4.5 gallon US)"
I wonder how they did that....
Stored them with E15 for two months [coffee]
Quote from: stopintime on November 18, 2011, 09:56:24 AM
Stored them with E15 for two months [coffee]
[clap] [clap] [clap] [clap]
Has anyone compared the Desmosedici power and weigh figures to the Panigale 1199?
Seems to me the Desmosedici is 10 lbs heavier, makes just nominally more power. So what do you think would be the trade-in or resale value for those bikes now that the Panigale has been announced for 1/3 of its original price?
I don't think the D16's value has ever been rooted in pure performance.
Quote from: swampduc on November 23, 2011, 10:36:20 AM
I don't think the D16's value has eer been rooted in pure performance.
+1 The DS is just a toy for the rich.
A more detailed look.
http://www.twowheelsblog.com/post/8311/troy-bayliss-and-ernesto-marinello-go-technical-with-the-1199-panigale (http://www.twowheelsblog.com/post/8311/troy-bayliss-and-ernesto-marinello-go-technical-with-the-1199-panigale)
Rough numbers: Desmosedici:
weight: 377 lbs. dry weight
power: 197.3 hp @ 13,800 rpm
torque: 85 ft/lb @ 10,500 rpm
base MSRP: $70,000 USD
Panigale 1199:
weight: 361 lbs. dry weight
power: 195 @ 10,750 rpm
torque: 98.1 ft/lb @ 9000 rpm
base MSRP: $18,000 US
owch.
Quote from: hillbillypolack on November 23, 2011, 11:04:48 AM
Rough numbers: Desmosedici:
weight: 377 lbs. dry weight
power: 197.3 hp @ 13,800 rpm
torque: 85 ft/lb @ 10,500 rpm
base MSRP: $70,000 USD
Panigale 1199:
weight: 361 lbs. dry weight
power: 195 @ 10,750 rpm
torque: 98.1 ft/lb @ 9000 rpm
base MSRP: $18,000 US
owch.
You have way more money than sense if you buy a DS over just about every new sport bike.
I just love the sound of the Cedici though. If only I had the cash.
Quote from: duccarlos on November 23, 2011, 11:23:17 AM
You have way more money than sense if you buy a DS over just about every new sport bike.
if you have the cash to buy a d16, then you probably also have the cash to pick up an 1199.
seriously.. are there that many d16 owners who only have the one bike?
It was just a trivial look at the two bikes. If I had the cash, I'd be crawling to the nearest NCR dealer.
i would get a sedici over a 1199 in a hearbeat... i mean, i'll never see the upper limits of either bike so performance is kinda meh at that level for me, but sedici still has that wow factor.
Quote from: thought on November 23, 2011, 12:22:51 PM
i would get a sedici over a 1199 in a hearbeat... i mean, i'll never see the upper limits of either bike so performance is kinda meh at that level for me, but sedici still has that wow factor.
+1 and 20 years from now... D16 will be worth bucks. a first year 1199... not so much
Quote from: Raux on November 23, 2011, 12:36:49 PM
+1 and 20 years from now... D16 will be worth bucks. a first year 1199... not so much
yeah, exactly... and you'll eventually see squids etc rolling around in 1199's etc. i would be very very shocked seeing one riding a d16.
Quote from: hillbillypolack on November 23, 2011, 11:46:32 AM
It was just a trivial look at the two bikes. If I had the cash, I'd be crawling to the nearest NCR dealer.
crawling?? you'd be driving your Bugatti there with a big stiffy
Quote from: Raux on November 23, 2011, 12:36:49 PM
+1 and 20 years from now... D16 will be worth bucks. a first year 1199... not so much
Depends. I would still buy a 916SP before the D16.
If we're just picking bikes based upon performance specs vs. purchase price, there are probably "better" choices than Ducati.
I thought we were all here based upon a general agreement that raw numbers weren't the most significant factor.
Quote from: jvax on November 23, 2011, 11:00:45 AM
A more detailed look.
http://www.twowheelsblog.com/post/8311/troy-bayliss-and-ernesto-marinello-go-technical-with-the-1199-panigale (http://www.twowheelsblog.com/post/8311/troy-bayliss-and-ernesto-marinello-go-technical-with-the-1199-panigale)
I think I have fallen in love once again. [drool]
Quote from: Goat_Herder on November 23, 2011, 03:13:31 PM
I think I have fallen in love once again. [drool]
You think Troy is that good looking?
Quote from: stopintime on November 23, 2011, 03:16:04 PM
You think Troy is that good looking?
if he shaved, got some boobs, and long hair... almost.... maybe... i mean, he's a small dude, like 5'5 and 120.
Quote from: ducatiz on November 23, 2011, 03:54:43 PM
if he shaved, got some boobs, and long hair... almost.... maybe... i mean, he's a small dude, like 5'5 and 120.
More like 5'-8" and 140 or so.
Quote from: duccarlos on November 23, 2011, 01:19:09 PM
Depends. I would still buy a 916SP before the D16.
my uncle had one... it was gorgeous... and uhh... one time when he parked it at my old house... i uhhh... dropped it. haha, he was kind of annoyed but eventually forgave me.
Quote from: stopintime on November 23, 2011, 03:16:04 PM
You think Troy is that good looking?
LOL. How does anyone resist that accent?
Quote from: thought on November 23, 2011, 05:23:20 PM
my uncle had one... it was gorgeous... and uhh... one time when he parked it at my old house... i uhhh... dropped it. haha, he was kind of annoyed but eventually forgave me.
I would have killed ou on the spot.
Quote from: duccarlos on November 25, 2011, 05:57:03 AM
I would have killed ou on the spot.
haha, yeah... i would have too...
i was around 14 at that point, he brought over the duc to leave it there for the weekend with specific instructions to not sit on it because of the automatically raising kickstand. and i mean... c'mon... how was i not supposed to sit on it? [laugh]
haha, there was no damage though, i caught it and sat there for like 5 min trying to lift it back up before it touched the ground. i think in the end the adrenaline kicked in and i got it back up. if it did touch the ground though... i think he would have killed me on the spot. haha
Quote from: duccarlos on November 25, 2011, 05:57:03 AM
I would have killed ou on the spot.
a bit harsh, eh? [roll]
I'd just teach the lil'bugger a lesson.
y'know... break some fingers, lose some teeth...."this is why mommy don't let you have nice things..." ;D
HAWTNESS!!!
(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Ducati-1199-Panigale-race-replica-Troy-Bayliss.jpg)
Quote from: zooom on December 09, 2011, 01:00:34 PM
HAWTNESS!!!
(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Ducati-1199-Panigale-race-replica-Troy-Bayliss.jpg)
wow, thought they would capitaliza on Checa's championship
Quote from: Raux on December 09, 2011, 02:22:48 PM
wow, thought they would capitaliza on Checa's championship
Another version of these photshop jobs is a Checa 1199 [thumbsup] (and a Simoncelli :-\ )
I see the Panigale made the cover of Cycle World. I have to say that really the only thing that puts me off the look of the bike are the mirrors. No doubt more functional than past mirrors but they give it a touch of a Suzuki look. Blasphemy, I know. Journalists have been dissing the mirrors on the previous bikes for years as if they were some sort of major sin. Somehow I prefer form over function in this case. I've gotten used to the elbow tuck rear check on my 848. Besides which, what's behind you is of little consequence anyway. [Dolph]
Quote from: MacDuck on December 11, 2011, 10:53:58 AM
Besides which, what's behind you is of little consequence anyway. [Dolph]
Unless...
(http://freesmileyface.net/smiley/transports/police-car-004.gif) (http://freesmileyface.net)
Just saw one at the Long Beach Moto Show.
Looks quite small.
Rear cylinder exhaust pipe 'loop' is egregious, but well camouflaged.
Unfortunately they had neither a naked engine or a naked bike to see the really tasty bits.
Quote from: Speeddog on December 11, 2011, 09:04:16 PM
Just saw one at the Long Beach Moto Show.
Looks quite small.
As in RSV4R small?
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 12, 2011, 03:23:25 AM
As in RSV4R small?
Not sure... a bit tough to judge as it was up on a podium all by itself.
They let folks up onto the podium, so you could view it normally, but no other bikes up at that level.
Compared to an 848:
The tail is minimal, as there's no exhaust.
Tank looks a good bit smaller.
No trellis, so that form/boundary isn't there.
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 11, 2011, 01:52:59 PM
Unless...
(http://freesmileyface.net/smiley/transports/police-car-004.gif) (http://freesmileyface.net)
Usually too late at that point anyway. [evil]
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 12, 2011, 03:23:25 AM
As in RSV4R small?
From what I saw at the Dallas IMS it is triumph 675 small, with an even smaller RSV4/CBR style tail.
A little 3d vid of the engine. But can you spot what important bit(s) get left off as it assembles?
Ducati Superquadro 3D (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz1ZUz9D8sU&feature=player_embedded#)
Cam chains?
Quote from: stopintime on January 05, 2012, 09:40:43 AM
Cam chains?
Winner winner chicken dinner.
Ironic that they would leave them out of that model, as they are being touted as one of the big advancements for this generation of engine.
Quote from: Sad Panda on January 06, 2012, 05:58:44 AM
Winner winner chicken dinner.
Ironic that they would leave them out of that model, as they are being touted as one of the big advancements for this generation of engine.
Thanks! [drink]
Maybe they are embarrassed? Or maybe we have a choice between belts and chains :P
Looks like they forgot to put threads on some bolts.
the Termi exhaust will be $3500. Nice to see consistency in pricing. [laugh]
Quote from: muskrat on January 08, 2012, 09:15:32 PM
the Termi exhaust will be $3500.
That's flipping ridiculous.
This is the first time Ive seen a picture of the 1199.
I think this thread was started in November or something..
I must spend too much time in NMC.
Ducati 1199 Dyno (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZiJ1lW1UIY&feature=player_embedded#)
sounds NICE!
Dyno result??
Quote from: Sad Panda on January 05, 2012, 07:51:25 AM
A little 3d vid of the engine. But can you spot what important bit(s) get left off as it assembles?
Ducati Superquadro 3D (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz1ZUz9D8sU&feature=player_embedded#)
just to be picky, the screws don't rotate when going into the engine!
Quote from: Lars D on January 19, 2012, 12:49:17 PM
Dyno result??
Looks like there's a big hole in the midrange compared to the 1198. It makes the numbers up top (shifting the power / rpm relationship) but the 1198 looks like it brings the power at lower revs unless I'm reading this wrong.
(http://www.farson.com/images/1199dyno.jpg)
Looks like a jap bike power band
Is that at the wheel?
pretty certain that's at the crank.
just relooking at it... the 1198 looks pretty strong comparably all the way through 8250 rpm.
and still hangs up to 9500 rpm.
it's all at the top end where the panigale would pull away.
1000 rpm higher upper limit as well
it's gonna have to be ridden like the I-4 bikes and keep it up in the RPM range to make the power.
then again, makes it more docile at the lower RPMs for street
The lower rpm torque on the Panigale suffer a lot - anything lower than 7,000 has less than my 800 Monster [thumbsdown]
I think a Termi kit and ECU is more required than ever.
Quote from: Raux on January 20, 2012, 01:44:19 AM
pretty certain that's at the crank.
You think? Pretty sure the 1198 puts out more than 130 at the crank.
Quote from: DRKWNG on January 20, 2012, 02:22:15 AM
You think? Pretty sure the 1198 puts out more than 130 at the crank.
You're reading the torque axis.
HA!
Quote from: stopintime on January 20, 2012, 02:11:50 AM
The lower rpm torque on the Panigale suffer a lot - anything lower than 7,000 has less than my 800 Monster [thumbsdown]
I think a Termi kit and ECU is more required than ever.
are your numbers at the rear wheel or crank?
Quote from: Raux on January 20, 2012, 03:31:56 AM
are your numbers at the rear wheel or crank?
In my head ;D
Like the ones posted here I suppose, at the crank.
Call me crazy but after looking at that graph I actually like the 1198 numbers more than the 1199.
Quote from: MacDuck on January 20, 2012, 08:46:29 AM
Call me crazy but after looking at that graph I actually like the 1198 numbers more than the 1199.
Compare to an BMW S1000 at the wheel
(http://www.motorcycledaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/121609top.jpg)
now that's a nice curve.
Something ain't right; how can a 1000 make 15% more torque than a 1200?
According to the Akropovic site (same as the S1000RR graph) the 1198 makes 120 Nm torque:
(http://www.akrapovic.com/typo3conf/ext/user_products/mod1/uploads/products/akrapovic_evolution_open_exhaust_system_for_the_ducati_1098_1098s_2007_/du_1098-1098s_evo_2007-2008_diag.jpg)
I guess that means we can't compare the graphs.
Quote from: IdZer0 on January 20, 2012, 10:16:15 AM
Something ain't right; how can a 1000 make 15% more torque than a 1200?
It's hard to see, but I think the BMW numbers are Nm and the Panigale is footpounds.
Well, I resisted as long as I could. Put my deposit in Saturday [evil]
Quote from: swampduc on January 23, 2012, 04:56:55 PM
Well, I resisted as long as I could. Put my deposit in Saturday [evil]
[evil] [bacon] [bacon] [bacon] [evil]
Quote from: MacDuck on January 20, 2012, 08:46:29 AM
Call me crazy but after looking at that graph I actually like the 1198 numbers more than the 1199.
You're not crazy, I was thinking the same thing. Makes a 1*98 that much more desirable (to me) in a few years. I've never been a fan of tippity top end revs anyway.
You can probably find a 1098s with low miles for a decent price. In a few months you'll be able to find them for a song. [thumbsup]
Quote from: duccarlos on January 24, 2012, 05:54:26 AM
You can probably find a 1098s with low miles for a decent price. In a few months you'll be able to find them for a song. [thumbsup]
....and you can modify it to be like a 1199 by performing a de-frame-ectomy. :P
All kidding aside, the 1198s does it for me. Much lower in price and has traction control to tame the beast for a newb like me. ;D
I was just reviewing this video
Ducati 1199 Panigale - Troy Bayliss and Marinelli @ Mugello (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK7B6CEs9cI&feature=related#)
I think the 1199 map we are seeing below is the Race mode which makes the power high according to the video.
(http://www.farson.com/images/1199dyno.jpg)
I think the 1199 Sport map would look closer to the 1198.
I wants!! :'(
Quote from: Raux on January 31, 2012, 05:38:54 AM
I was just reviewing this video
Ducati 1199 Panigale - Troy Bayliss and Marinelli @ Mugello (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK7B6CEs9cI&feature=related#)
Schwinn!
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/New-bikes/2012/February/Feb10DucatiPanigale/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/New-bikes/2012/February/Feb10DucatiPanigale/)
Well motorcyclist magazine made a decided point to say it handles way better than the motogp bike
"you have been exorcised!"
[thumbsup]
Quote from: Raux on February 14, 2012, 11:57:54 AM
Well motorcyclist magazine made a decided point to say it handles way better than the motogp bike
"you have been exorcised!"
[thumbsup]
http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/firstrides/122_1205_ducati_1199_panigale/index.html (http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/firstrides/122_1205_ducati_1199_panigale/index.html)
here's the link...
now i want one :( haha
I know it's been said before but damn it looks small.
" The Panigale is also remarkably sophisticated: Ducati General Manager Claudio Domenicali says there are six individual ECUs on this bike, to run all the various electronic systems."
For Sale
Ducati Performance Blinker ECU
Better map than OEM unit, faster blink rate and brighter blinks.
$853
[clap] [clap] [clap] [clap] [clap]
exactly what I was thinking. Dam re-flash will cost a fortune for all 6.
Quote from: muskrat on February 14, 2012, 05:37:52 PM
[clap] [clap] [clap] [clap] [clap]
exactly what I was thinking. Dam re-flash will cost a fortune for all 6.
i know that for the termi reflash, it's already built into the system. you just have to connect a usb key to it to unlock it within the ecu... which i'm guessing will be pirated and cracked within seconds of release. so getting the termi map prob wont be crazy difficult at least
I'm old enough to have had a bike that had a breaker with points.
One of the first full ride review on the 1199:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/motorbikes/9084251/Ducati-Panigale-1199-review.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/motorbikes/9084251/Ducati-Panigale-1199-review.html)
More review trickling out:
http://www.visordown.com/road-tests-first-rides/first-ride-ducati-1199-panigale-s-review/20053.html (http://www.visordown.com/road-tests-first-rides/first-ride-ducati-1199-panigale-s-review/20053.html)
How much can I get for a kidney these days? I love the D16, but could never even contemplate the $75K....$23K for a 1199S is still a boatload of money, but certainly more reasonable than $75K!
And more
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/reviews/ducati-1199-panigale/ (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/reviews/ducati-1199-panigale/)
and another:
http://www.ashonbikes.com/content/ducati-1199-panigale-s (http://www.ashonbikes.com/content/ducati-1199-panigale-s)
Pretty much the bike that changes everything.
Quote from: duccarlos on February 18, 2012, 07:34:17 AM
Pretty much the bike that changes everything.
... and it's not like the competition didn't try.
If it proves to be better on the track too - I'll be an even prouder Ducati fan [thumbsup]
(http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/423484_10150609750032412_600007411_8895056_904003725_n.jpg)
Saw this on FB... 1199 Panigale Biposto
This is the first non-S I've seen
and the first Superstock 1000 I've seen
(http://ducatisti.myblog.it/media/00/01/3660378755.jpg)
(http://ducatisti.myblog.it/media/02/00/3943773930.jpg)
(http://ducatisti.myblog.it/media/01/01/976984262.jpg)
Quote from: Raux on February 19, 2012, 11:27:33 AM
(http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/423484_10150609750032412_600007411_8895056_904003725_n.jpg)
I like these wheels better than the other option..
Hope this Cycle News link comes through and you can read it. Typical good Alan Cathcart first ride write up! I had to put on my best reading glasses to see it! [laugh] The 1199 sounds pretty cool. [popcorn] [Dolph]
http://cyclenews.coverleaf.com/cyclenews/20120223#pg31 (http://cyclenews.coverleaf.com/cyclenews/20120223#pg31)
You did see that handy little magnification thing on the top of their page, right? ;)
I still need reading glasses no matter what. I might be able to hit you with a .308 at 500 yards but I'd need my glasses to read your drivers license to see who you were. [laugh] [laugh]
I'm kinda getting tired of the same basic article. I know that this has been the only opportunity for the moto media to test this, but they could have just as easily referenced the first article written. I want to see a review like BP's Craig's List postings.
Saw this pop up on a FB friend's page... Pretty cool video of the assembly:
Ducati 1199 Panigale assembly line (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HUFDelbUdnI#)
Ducati 1199 Panigale - Escaped to the Mountains (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAtyZWGRRdY&feature=related#)
OK. That's really stupid! [bang] :P [thumbsdown]
Quote from: triangleforge on February 23, 2012, 09:27:45 AM
Saw this pop up on a FB friend's page... Pretty cool video of the assembly:
Ducati 1199 Panigale assembly line (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HUFDelbUdnI#)
Those pistons are make the beast with two backsing huge
1199RS arrives in the UK for race-prep.
http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/this-is-what-a-ducati-1199rs-looks-like/20210.html (http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/this-is-what-a-ducati-1199rs-looks-like/20210.html)
Quote from: zarn02 on March 01, 2012, 10:22:57 AM
1199RS arrives in the UK for race-prep.
http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/this-is-what-a-ducati-1199rs-looks-like/20210.html (http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/this-is-what-a-ducati-1199rs-looks-like/20210.html)
I like it!!
[clap] [clap]
Awesome bike. Though the Panigale is not the first motorcycle to offer LED headlights--Harley beat them to that. Ducati may be the first to offer it as the only stock option from the factory, but H-D has been selling new bikes with LED headlights off the showroom floor for at least two years now.
What I'd like is a kit to fit my 998 with LED headlights.
Quote from: Scissors on March 07, 2012, 11:59:48 AM
Awesome bike. Though the Panigale is not the first motorcycle to offer LED headlights--Harley beat them to that. Ducati may be the first to offer it as the only stock option from the factory, but H-D has been selling new bikes with LED headlights off the showroom floor for at least two years now.
I thought I read somewhere that Ducati was putting LEDs on the higher end models and not all
my streetfighter has LEDs around the headlight. I honestly think it has dramatically reduced the number of fools that pull out in front of me. [thumbsup]
the base 1199 doesnt have the LED headlight, only the S model and up.
and the diff btwn the SF/1199 LED headlights are that the SF's lights are accent lights only... the 1199's are the main driving lights too.
though i do like the led accents on the sf, and i believe that i read somewhere that the triangular pattern of 3 lights for some odd reason tends to make people notice you more.
Naked pics:
http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/dissecting-the-ducati-1199-panigale/20343.html (http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/dissecting-the-ducati-1199-panigale/20343.html)
Interesting they went with a timing chain on this engine. Makes sense though.
First wreck?
(http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac51/rllout/9d0caa30.jpg)
Wreck? Hell that's ruination. The rider survive?
Looks like they ran over it then backed up and did it again :o
Quote from: Slide Panda on April 25, 2012, 09:25:29 AM
Wreck? Hell that's ruination. The rider survive?
Yes if that was from that press/media thing track day the other day where an East Coast guy smashed one up. I don't have the details, but I'm pretty sure it's in the other 1199 thread in this forum with the pics of the lines of them.
Quote from: DucNaked on April 25, 2012, 09:21:24 AM
First wreck?
(http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac51/rllout/9d0caa30.jpg)
Nice! If you're gonna wad a bike, might as well do it right! [evil]
Here's the whole sequence! :o
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.362446377124877.75234.122070967829087&type=3# (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.362446377124877.75234.122070967829087&type=3#)
I guess the traction control still can't save everyone that wants to trash the bike.
Looks like the rider was sitting up before the bike even stopped bouncing.
FAK!!
Any chance of that buffing out?
Quote from: MikeZ on April 25, 2012, 11:10:04 AM
I guess the traction control still can't save everyone that wants to trash the bike.
TC can't help with losing the front.
is TC allowed at that level racing?
Quote from: DucNaked on April 25, 2012, 09:21:24 AM
First wreck?
(http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac51/rllout/9d0caa30.jpg)
That would make a nice winter project in 20 years ;D Hope the rider is okay.
I will say this. I think the 1199, when it says, totalled, it's totalled.
A salvage 1199 may have cracked cases, etc. hell, a dropped 1199 could have issues.
I'd like to know the insurance rate for such bike. I'm guess $2,000 to $3,000 per year. First one who takes delivery post up.
Was just up at Rockwell cycles in NY state and saw them putting together a panigale... it's pretty damn gorgeous in person. They were saying that it was def harder to unbox because of how compact everything is now.
Funny thing was that when the techs were putting it together, we were commenting that putting on the passenger pegs was just a crime. Then another tech chimes in and say to not bother putting it on... the guy who bought that one will never use it. Because his wife bought a matching one at the same time. haha.
Every guy stopped for a second and thought... damn. i want a wife like that. haha
Picking mine up tomorrow or Friday [drool]
Quote from: swampduc on May 02, 2012, 03:54:28 PM
Picking mine up tomorrow or Friday [drool]
Bastard.... ;)
Quote from: muskrat on April 27, 2012, 02:53:46 PM
I'd like to know the insurance rate for such bike. I'm guess $2,000 to $3,000 per year. First one who takes delivery post up.
$526.32 year / USAA / 40 / no tix, no accidents / 1M/500K/100K coverage, 1K deductible
Quote from: hbliam on June 13, 2012, 07:47:23 AM
$526.32 year / USAA / 40 / no tix, no accidents / 1M/500K/100K coverage, 1K deductible
BTW, how is it?
Quote from: Triple J on June 13, 2012, 02:34:38 PM
Got tired of the Diavel?
No, I think he just can't figure out which Ducati is for him until he's owned at least one of each. [Dolph]
Quote from: Triple J on June 13, 2012, 02:34:38 PM
Got tired of the Diavel?
Injured my knee at work and was told I couldn't ride for a year so I sold the Diavel. The surgery went way better then expected and included platelet rich plasma treatment. So, four months later I'm good to go.
Quote from: NorDog on June 13, 2012, 02:38:32 PM
No, I think he just can't figure out which Ducati is for him until he's owned at least one of each. [Dolph]
All Ducatis are for me.
Quote from: hbliam on June 13, 2012, 07:52:42 PM
Injured my knee at work and was told I couldn't ride for a year so I sold the Diavel. The surgery went way better then expected and included platelet rich plasma treatment. So, four months later I'm good to go.
Glad to here it.
Ever notice that when you hurt your kneee on a motorcycle people tell you to quit riding, but when you hurt your knee at work no one says to quit work?
Quote from: duccarlos on June 13, 2012, 11:59:28 AM
BTW, how is it?
First day (two short rides) impressions:
- more comfortable riding position then my last SBK but I see the comfort seat in my future.
- exhaust running under the seat is hot. Dealer said they are putting exhaust tape on that section with good results. I'll likely do that.
-first bike I've had that made me say "holy shit." When I did a roll on from 80MPH in third gear, the front wheel came right up.
Quote from: hbliam on June 14, 2012, 07:24:34 PM
When I did a roll on from 80MPH in third gear, the front wheel came right up.
How fast?? Better make sure there's no [leo] around, they have no sense of humour about that kinda fun you know ;)
Quote from: ungeheuer on June 15, 2012, 04:55:40 AM
How fast?? Better make sure there's no [leo] around, they have no sense of humour about that kinda fun you know ;)
I let 99% of motos off with a warning. My karmas good.
Quote from: hbliam on June 14, 2012, 07:24:34 PM
- exhaust running under the seat is hot. Dealer said they are putting exhaust tape on that section with good results. I'll likely do that.
You would have thought that moving the can under the engine would have solved the burning of the butt issue.
Quote from: duccarlos on June 15, 2012, 07:29:01 AM
You would have thought that moving the can under the engine would have solved the burning of the butt issue.
Big engine = big heat. Then the exhaust header has to go out and do a 180* bend right under the seat in order to route down to the cans. I'm told it puts out more heat to the rider than an 1198 even though it has a larger radiator. I've had my butt cooked several times on an 1198 so the Panigale must be something else. :o I've wrapped pipes on a 999 and that helps but there is still the issue of a huge vertical cylinder head radiating heat and there is no getting around that. The head was the bigger heat generator on the 999 and the 1098/1198.
Yep, won't be riding my 999 here in Texas until fall. Imagine throwing a leg over your BBQ grill... pretty much the same thing! [popcorn] [bacon] ;)
Quote from: fastwin on June 15, 2012, 10:01:23 AM
Yep, won't be riding my 999 here in Texas until fall. Imagine throwing a leg over your BBQ grill... pretty much the same thing! [popcorn] [bacon] ;)
I'm looking at buyng a 999 down here. Sounds like it will be tough to ride in the summer.
Quote from: ungeheuer on June 15, 2012, 07:13:12 AM
And badge-shaped.
I haven't been stopped in years. And no, my plates aren't confidential. I could change them if I wanted to but don't feel the need.
Quote from: MacDuck on June 15, 2012, 09:47:34 AM
Big engine = big heat. Then the exhaust header has to go out and do a 180* bend right under the seat in order to route down to the cans. I'm told it puts out more heat to the rider than an 1198 even though it has a larger radiator. I've had my butt cooked several times on an 1198 so the Panigale must be something else. :o I've wrapped pipes on a 999 and that helps but there is still the issue of a huge vertical cylinder head radiating heat and there is no getting around that. The head was the bigger heat generator on the 999 and the 1098/1198.
Yep, that's the talk...the rear cylinder being more of an issue then the exhaust. I'll still get it wrapped to alleviate some of the heat.
Rode it about 100 miles today. Freeway, canyons, City traffic, PCH. Excellent bike in all respects but obviously the bike preferred the canyons. Very confidence inspiring. Insane amount of power. I haven't even come close to tapping in to it all the way. Likely never will.
Quote from: hbliam on June 15, 2012, 03:37:31 PM
I haven't even come close to tapping in to it all the way. Likely never will.
Track? I would be scared out of my mind to unwind it fully.
Quote from: duccarlos on June 15, 2012, 01:08:06 PM
I'm looking at buyng a 999 down here. Sounds like it will be tough to ride in the summer.
Only when you stuck in traffic.
There's always a possibility of sitting in traffic, but most people here just lane split. I would rather not.
Quote from: duccarlos on June 19, 2012, 10:00:50 AM
There's always a possibility of sitting in traffic, but most people here just lane split. I would rather not.
I can't stop. I've got an addiction. I'm gonna get in trouble some day.
Down south they have less respect for bikes.
That didn't take long. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2012-DUCATI-1199-PANIGALE-S-ABS-SUPERBIKE-/370622701333?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item564ad59f15 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2012-DUCATI-1199-PANIGALE-S-ABS-SUPERBIKE-/370622701333?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item564ad59f15)
Wife probably said. how much was it.
Well, you know, those bikes aren't for everyone...........
Quote from: lilmonster on June 20, 2012, 06:39:14 PM
That didn't take long. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2012-DUCATI-1199-PANIGALE-S-ABS-SUPERBIKE-/370622701333?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item564ad59f15 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2012-DUCATI-1199-PANIGALE-S-ABS-SUPERBIKE-/370622701333?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item564ad59f15)
Odd that it only comes with one key
Nice, comprehensive article on the current class of litre bikes.
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/9/13481/Motorcycle-Article/2012-Superbike-Smackdown-IX-Track.aspx (http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/9/13481/Motorcycle-Article/2012-Superbike-Smackdown-IX-Track.aspx)