I have so much I want to buy, including new arrow exhaust, paint job, new sprocket (and chain) and other little goodies but I never have enough money!
Believe me, when you have kids, even if you have a decent paying job, it feels like you're working for minimum wage.
Budget + Savings Account + Time. Or just go rob a bank or deal drugs.
FYI. Minimum wage was almost half of what it is now in my time.
......not as much as having to pay some worthless shlub (not you) minimum wage when the work they do isn't worth half.......
Earning minimum wage is a temporary thing...... Identify jobs where you can earn tips and give exemplary service or develop a marketable skill.
When you show initiative, drive, good work ethic, and reliability, you will not make minimum wage for long.
Good luck!
Quick example. My buddy has a son that's a junior in high school. He is a busboy/runner at a local restaurant. He is always on time, does his job with a great attitude and consistently gets $40 plus per night for 4 hours of work. He has received tips directly from patrons that have noticed his work ethic.
if every board member sent you a dollar.......
[evil]
FWIW.....
You will always get paid what YOU think you are worth.
one of lifes lessons usually learned late in life
So my helmet got stolen at school today, fun stuff. But yeah I am a runner at a reasturant and there literlly hasnt been a raise in that reasturant for years, I have gotten tipos from people before (we don't normally get tipped) but its still not much.
Quote from: bobspapa on December 01, 2011, 07:24:36 AM
if every board member sent you a dollar.......
Or, maybe if Bobspapa sent you a dollar for every board member....... :o
Quote from: ZachDDill on December 01, 2011, 07:39:00 AM
So my helmet got stolen at school today, fun stuff. But yeah I am a runner at a reasturant and there literlly hasnt been a raise in that reasturant for years, I have gotten tipos from people before (we don't normally get tipped) but its still not much.
What size do you wear?
Quote from: ZachDDill on December 01, 2011, 07:39:00 AM
So my helmet got stolen at school today, fun stuff. But yeah I am a runner at a reasturant and there literlly hasnt been a raise in that reasturant for years, I have gotten tipos from people before (we don't normally get tipped) but its still not much.
So what do you have to do to step up and become a server? What kind of restaurant?
Some good advice here. If you keep working harder than the next guy, you'll get more pay. It might not happen as fast as you want it to but it will happen.
or
Go to college.
Get an education.
Rack up a huge amount of debt.
Graduate with a Liberal Arts degree.
Go out and look for a high paying job with a corner office.
End up not finding one.
Go out and protest that life is not fair.
[evil]
When I started I was getting $4.15.
Quote from: Raux on December 01, 2011, 07:58:04 AM
What size do you wear?
Large, I just ordered a new visor for my old mainframe helmet.
Quote from: rgramjet on December 01, 2011, 08:08:07 AM
So what do you have to do to step up and become a server? What kind of restaurant?
A place called Gators Dockside, ITs kinda like a sports bar, and only girls are servers, the only step up for me is to become a cook.
Do the servers have a nice uniform? [cheeky]
Quote from: ZachDDill on December 01, 2011, 08:12:49 AM
Large, I just ordered a new visor for my old mainframe helmet.
I'll check out my extra helmets
Quote from: ZachDDill on December 01, 2011, 08:13:35 AM
A place called Gators Dockside, ITs kinda like a sports bar, and only girls are servers, the only step up for me is to become a cook.
Sounds like my kind of joint! But, sounds inherently limiting for you.
Any white table cloth restaurants in your area? Polish it up and step outside your comfort level.
Quote from: ZachDDill on December 01, 2011, 05:47:17 AM
I have so much I want to buy, including new arrow exhaust, paint job, new sprocket (and chain) and other little goodies but I never have enough money!
I would add a jacket and pants to the list. Gear first!
I've got a size (M) Joe Rocket textile jacket that I barely wore. If it will fit, I will ship. Looks like this - http://www.joerocket.com/catalog/index.cfm/236/419/Textile_Jackets/UFO_Solid_ (http://www.joerocket.com/catalog/index.cfm/236/419/Textile_Jackets/UFO_Solid_)[textile_/_bigair]
Quote from: MadDuc 20/20 on December 01, 2011, 09:41:48 AM
I've got a size (M) Joe Rocket textile jacket that I barely wore. If it will fit, I will ship. Looks like this - http://www.joerocket.com/catalog/index.cfm/236/419/Textile_Jackets/UFO_Solid_ (http://www.joerocket.com/catalog/index.cfm/236/419/Textile_Jackets/UFO_Solid_)[textile_/_bigair]
Yeah that would fit me.
I have a pair of new boots size 43. Yours if they fit.
Quote from: Little Monkey Toes on December 01, 2011, 10:05:30 AM
I have a pair of new boots size 43. Yours if they fit.
I don't know how boot sizes work.
Quote from: ZachDDill on December 01, 2011, 10:44:21 AM
I don't know how boot sizes work.
what is your shoe size in them Air Jordan's currently homeslice
I know how those sizes work 43 fits me fine and I could use something other than old combat boots.
43 = 9'ish
least you have a job mate, look at it that way [thumbsup] there is no jobs in england, i would give my right nut for a chance to earn a wadge.
Give a man a fish............
j/k everyone.
This is why I love this board. The guys not asking for anything and the board members aren't waiting to be pandered to.
I remember making $4.15 an hour, yep, minimum wage sucks. Keep your eye on the prize. Make a 5 year goal and do what you have to and get there. Once you achieve your 5 year goal, make another, and another and another. Wash rinse and repeat your success good sir.
I'm sure many of the late 20 and older members of this board know what it is to have to scratch your way to a decent living. I know I do. Like everyone else has mentioned, WORK HARD. Just don't forget to make a clear goal as to what your working towards.
Today I'm in a great job with great pay. It did require a lot of sacrifice to get here and still requires a lot of work. Definitely still climbing, and yes, towards my next 5 year goal.
Sounds like you have new gear coming your way. What tools do you have for regular bike maintenance? I have a few extra sets of allen wrenches and other goodies.
Save a few bucks by doing your own wrenching.
Trust me, the higher you move up and more money you make, you will have more stuff to drain your money. It will be (not in particular order) car, GF/Wife, house, kid(s), bigger toys, family, unexpected events, vacation, etc. With the extra money I have left for anything else, I feel like I am on minimum wages. I guess that's life. :)
^ Yup. Seems like the more you make the bigger your bills get. Also the older your kids get, the more expensive toys they want. On the Top Ten kids Santa list is an I-pad. Geez.
I hate to quote a Sheryl Crow song but "It's not having what you want it's wanting what you've got."
Quote from: Goat_Herder on December 01, 2011, 11:07:29 AM
Trust me, the higher you move up and more money you make, you will have more stuff to drain your money. It will be (not in particular order) car, GF/Wife, house, kid(s), bigger toys, family, unexpected events, vacation, etc. With the extra money I have left for anything else, I feel like I am on minimum wages. I guess that's life. :)
So what you're saying is...
Mo Money Mo Problems [feat. Mase & Puff Daddy] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUhRKVIjJtw#)
Quote from: zooom on December 01, 2011, 10:49:48 AM
what is your shoe size in them Air Jordan's currently homeslice
I wear a 9 actually.
Any of the Services (Air Force, Navy, Army, Marine, Coast Guard) would be happy to help you, man. Be it Active Duty, or Guard/Reserve, or a mix of the two. You can ask me, and any number of other individuals on this board. The work is constant, but so are the pay and benefits. [thumbsup]
Hey, anyone want to step up with a Large helmet, I only have a medium and small.
Thank you all for your help guys, I didn't start this post to look for give aways so I really appreciate it all.
Quote from: ZachDDill on December 01, 2011, 12:39:43 PM
Thank you all for your help guys, I didn't start this post to look for give aways so I really appreciate it all.
we saw your pic... [roll]
Quote from: Raux on December 01, 2011, 01:15:09 PM
we saw your pic... [roll]
I'm a reckless teenager! haha
Quote from: ZachDDill on December 01, 2011, 02:02:04 PM
I'm a reckless teenager! haha
Admission is the first step towards recovery. [thumbsup]
On days like today...
I love this place. [thumbsup]
Quote from: Drjones on December 01, 2011, 06:04:08 AM
or deal drugs.
The wage or a corner crack dealer is $3.35/hr. And that's before the crack price wars! Stick with min. wage.
If you want more money per hour, go work for a plumber, excavater, roofer, etc...
Quote from: The Architect on December 01, 2011, 02:17:38 PM
If you want more money per hour, go work for a plumber, excavater, roofer, etc...
Learn to weld... Tons of money for dedicated welders.
When I started on the books at 15 years old minimum wage was $3.35. No, not selling crack. A variant, pizza.
Do well in school and always be honest. You will do fine. I have a few pairs of spare gloves.
What size glove do you wear?
Quote from: hbliam on December 01, 2011, 02:25:59 PM
When I started on the books at 15 years old minimum wage was $3.35. No, not selling crack. A variant, pizza.
Do well in school and always be honest. You will do fine. I have a few pairs of spare gloves.
What size glove do you wear?
Med I guess? I'm not sure really, those actually got stolen as well but they were old so I'm not too worried about it.
I may have a size large HJC snowmobile helmet (you just remove the shield and put on a street bike shield for the conversion). It has seen some use (a few seasons) before I bought the cat's meow of snowmobile helmets (The skiddo BV2S).
I may have left it at the PA house though. I'll check and send a pm if it's here (NJ).
It's not who you know, its who you blow. This is the new norm. Hard work has something to do with it, but as I go through life, it really doesn't matter how hard you work, if you're not playing soccer with your bosses kids, you'll never get paid what your worth.
Quote from: ZachDDill on December 01, 2011, 02:02:04 PM
I'm a reckless teenager! haha
If you don't mind relocating. Get your skinny ass up to North Dakota. First in your local area acguire the following cards for your wallet; 1) scaffolding inspector (usually about a 4 day class, check with an industrial rental outfit as to who offers the training), makes you a valued member of the crew, scaffolding is always needed and can't be used until it's signed off, 2) confined space training especially confined space rescue, same reasons, and it can be very easy overtime ;), rigging training is always useful check with a local crane company about training.
Then once in N.D. find a driling rig and ask to talk to the toolpusher (probably the biggest asshole on the rig), don't be discouraged if the first one turns you down, somewhere up there is a rig that needs you. Then show up early (and sober) every day and be the last to go off tower.
For the first couple of hitches, you'll ache in places you didn't know existed, gets easy after that. A roustabout should pull down $60k to $80k easy.
A hitch is either 7 or 14 days, 12 hours a day, and then 7 or 14 days of R&R.
Quote from: ZachDDill on December 01, 2011, 02:30:49 PM
Med I guess? I'm not sure really, those actually got stolen as well but they were old so I'm not too worried about it.
Sorry, all I have are L.
Quote from: hbliam on December 01, 2011, 06:52:08 PM
Sorry, all I have are L.
The ones I had that got stollen were Large, I guess my hands aren't that small haha.
Quote from: sno_duc on December 01, 2011, 06:50:50 PM
If you don't mind relocating. Get your skinny ass up to North Dakota. First in your local area acguire the following cards for your wallet; 1) scaffolding inspector (usually about a 4 day class, check with an industrial rental outfit as to who offers the training), makes you a valued member of the crew, scaffolding is always needed and can't be used until it's signed off, 2) confined space training especially confined space rescue, same reasons, and it can be very easy overtime ;), rigging training is always useful check with a local crane company about training.
Then once in N.D. find a driling rig and ask to talk to the toolpusher (probably the biggest asshole on the rig), don't be discouraged if the first one turns you down, somewhere up there is a rig that needs you. Then show up early (and sober) every day and be the last to go off tower.
For the first couple of hitches, you'll ache in places you didn't know existed, gets easy after that. A roustabout should pull down $60k to $80k easy.
A hitch is either 7 or 14 days, 12 hours a day, and then 7 or 14 days of R&R.
All that sounds great except for the fact that I have bootcamp in 8 months hah
Quote from: ZachDDill on December 01, 2011, 07:12:18 PM
All that sounds great except for the fact that I have bootcamp in 8 months hah
[thumbsup]
Quote from: ZachDDill on December 01, 2011, 05:47:17 AM
I have so much I want to buy, including new arrow exhaust, paint job, new sprocket (and chain) and other little goodies but I never have enough money!
Gotta pay your dues. Nice to hear that you're actually out there doing it though!! [thumbsup]
My first job was back in '87. I think minimum wage was $3.35/hr. Talk about the suck!! Gas was only .79/gal though. I could put $5 in my '66 Bel Air and drive 2 weeks in my hometown of 6000 people.
Funny..just the Arrows would cost more than my first car (1K)!! [laugh]
Quote from: scduc on December 01, 2011, 06:40:00 PM
It's not who you know, its who you blow. This is the new norm. Hard work has something to do with it, but as I go through life, it really doesn't matter how hard you work, if you're not playing soccer with your bosses kids, you'll never get paid what your worth.
Great message to send to the kid.
Quote from: peeny on December 01, 2011, 11:07:01 PM
Great message to send to the kid.
Indeed...the options are to enhance soccer skills or stock-up on chapstick [laugh]
The trick is to recognize when you are in that sort of work environment
and to opt out if your personal logistics can support that move
Somehow made me think of this.
Original 4 Yorkshiremen Sketch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eDaSvRO9xA#)
Never work for a "Family Owned" business where the offspring work unless there are no sons and you are looked upon with great favor by the owner.
Never work for a company that fancies itself as a "Family"
Quote from: ZachDDill on December 01, 2011, 07:12:18 PM
All that sounds great except for the fact that I have bootcamp in 8 months hah
Did you choose your Job? what MOS are they giving you?
Quote from: Raux on December 02, 2011, 12:14:30 AM
Did you choose your Job? what MOS are they giving you?
(AD) Aviation mechanic.
Quote from: ZachDDill on December 02, 2011, 08:50:18 AM
(AD) Aviation mechanic.
brilliant move. there will always be high paying jobs in that field even if you don't make the military a career
Quote from: Raux on December 02, 2011, 10:03:02 AM
brilliant move. there will always be high paying jobs in that field even if you don't make the military a career
Thats how I see it, plus It seems like something that is very interesting.
Quote from: ZachDDill on December 02, 2011, 08:50:18 AM
(AD) Aviation mechanic.
My brother did that. Got out, found a job in his field, pay was poor and now he's an electrician making real money.
He had a lot of fun!
and some not so fun times
Quote from: peeny on December 01, 2011, 11:07:01 PM
Great message to send to the kid.
I'm not trying to be pessimistic, reality is that 10 years ago good jobs where plentiful. Employees had the upper hand. Nowadays, a college education doesn't mean sqwat. Finding a place that does not allow family is hard to find especially in manual labor field. Kids don't need life sugar coated. The sooner they realize that it's a jungle out there the better off they'll be.
Quote from: scduc on December 02, 2011, 01:46:47 PM
I'm not trying to be pessimistic, reality is that 10 years ago good jobs where plentiful. Employees had the upper hand. Nowadays, a college education doesn't mean sqwat. Finding a place that does not allow family is hard to find especially in manual labor field. Kids don't need life sugar coated. The sooner they realize that it's a jungle out there the better off they'll be.
I understand that, and that is exactly why I joined the military.
Quote from: ZachDDill on December 02, 2011, 01:58:17 PM
I understand that, and that is exactly why I joined the military.
[thumbsup] Good on you. Thinking about the good and not so good decisions I've made over the years, joining the military is right up there at the top of the good ones. The next good decision was using the GI Bill to go to school. IMHO it is not true at all that it doesn't help to have a college degree these days. In my case getting it completely and totally turned my life around. It opens doors that I never even knew were there.
Bob
Edit: I should add that getting the bloody diploma was probably the hardest thing I've ever done, but worth it.
Quote from: Langanobob on December 02, 2011, 03:41:39 PM
[thumbsup] Good on you. Thinking about the good and not so good decisions I've made over the years, joining the military is right up there at the top of the good ones. The next good decision was using the GI Bill to go to school. <snip>
+1
Well said, Bob.
Quote from: rockaduc on December 01, 2011, 05:27:40 PM
I may have a size large HJC snowmobile helmet (you just remove the shield and put on a street bike shield for the conversion). It has seen some use (a few seasons) before I bought the cat's meow of snowmobile helmets (The skiddo BV2S).
I may have left it at the PA house though. I'll check and send a pm if it's here (NJ).
Sorry, no extra size large helmets here in NJ. They must all be in PA and I don't plan to be there for a few weeks.
In ye olde days, I charged clients what my time was worth. As I gained experience I realized my time was fixed while the expertise I provided was invaluable. Specialize and charge for the value you provide to the client, not for the amount of effort it takes you to provide that value.
Suuuuuuuuuuuper drunk FWIW.
Feel qualified to whine when you haven't got the cash to put food on the table for the kids, that's of course if you have a table or even a home to put it in.
Around this world of ours I have been up close and personal many times with real poverty, so someone complaining that they can't afford some luxury item kind of pisses me off.
You were lucky!!
We used to live in a paper bag.........
Quote from: ungeheuer on December 03, 2011, 12:08:18 AM
You were lucky!!
We used to live in a paper bag.........
and had to walk to a school that was 50 miles away on roads made of salt and broken glass?
....it was uphill both ways....
Quote from: lethe on December 03, 2011, 07:15:21 AM
and had to walk to a school that was 50 miles away on roads made of salt and broken glass?
barefoot right?
I'm fortunate enough to be making what I consider a nice amount of money now but back when all I could get were minimum wage jobs I worked more than one and slowly pushed forward into better and better ones with some occasional missteps that were setbacks. Patience, perseverance and working your ass off will pay off so long as you don't expect immediate payoff.
Nothing will move you up from the bottom of the work ladder like learning how to bust your ass, having a marketable skill, and being able to make decisions and lead. We're not in the same world as our parents grew up, and thus the lessons they taught us are not always applicable anymore. I've never been in the military so I don't know how much power you have over what you get to do, but if you have any say over what you learn how to do, choose skills you can make money off of later. They may not be the funnest jobs or the easiest jobs or the sexiest jobs, but they'll get you ahead in life in the long run.
Quote from: scduc on December 02, 2011, 01:46:47 PM
I'm not trying to be pessimistic, reality is that 10 years ago good jobs where plentiful. Employees had the upper hand. Nowadays, a college education doesn't mean sqwat. Finding a place that does not allow family is hard to find especially in manual labor field. Kids don't need life sugar coated. The sooner they realize that it's a jungle out there the better off they'll be.
He's years out so planning for now is moot. Odds are if one gets a job from someone they know....it's someone they met in college.
College education is important because 99% of the management of most corporations think it is. They do not give a shit if you're capable-they want to see your piece of paper.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
this
Quote from: peeny on December 04, 2011, 09:39:39 PM
He's years out so planning for now is moot. Odds are if one gets a job from someone they know....it's someone they met in college.
College education is important because 99% of the management of most corporations think it is. They do not give a shit if you're capable-they want to see your piece of paper.
Amen.
Quote from: AdmiralKit on December 03, 2011, 10:07:08 AM
Nothing will move you up from the bottom of the work ladder like learning how to bust your ass, having a marketable skill, and being able to make decisions and lead.
Quote from: peeny on December 04, 2011, 09:39:39 PM
College education is important because 99% of the management of most corporations think it is. They do not give a shit if you're capable-they want to see your piece of paper.
Combine both of these statements into your career goals and your working ethic, and you can do quite well for yourself.
I took several years away from working on a career to work on personal projects (stayed stagnant at my job while working on the outside projects), so I "could" be better off than I am now, but I have increased my income by more than 400% in the last 20 years. I contribute it to working hard and going back to school several times throughout my lifetime. Heck, I just finished up a masters degree three months ago.
Zach apparently took his own life recently. There's another thread about it.
He never seemed or hinted that he was at this point. He had set himself on a good path and in general seemed well grounded.
I had hoped to meet him and help him with his bike should he had been stationed here in Europe, so this kinda messes with me.
Zach... I'll give you the best DMF sendoff I know... named for another friend on here... [Dolph]
Shit. That's terrible.
RIP. And I agree w/ Raux, this seems strangely appropriate. [Dolph]