This is a good read ,Teff
And will probably not apply to most of us here :-X
http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/noise/vehiclenoise.htm (http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/noise/vehiclenoise.htm)
And clause 19 appears removeable baffles arn't legal either
Modifying or repairing a vehicle so that its noise control equipment is made defective, is not securely in place is missing ,
or has temporary noise reduction devices or packing fitted (clause 19)
The Regulation also makes it an offence to use temporary noise reduction devices or packing in vehicle exhausts. This includes items such as baffles in the exhaust system that have not been
welded/riveted in place, or items that are adjustable such as valves, or materials introduced into the exhaust system, such as steel wool. These items must not be used to defeat a noise test.
However a defence is provided for any:
• vehicle that, at the time of manufacture, had items such as baffles that were not welded or riveted in place or an adjustable device in the exhaust system, or a replacement that is equivalent to that fitted by the manufacturer
• motorcycle that has items such as baffles that are bolted or otherwise securely fastened in place.
Avoid fitting your vehicle with a pod-type air filter. This filter increases engine induction noise and may also increase exhaust gas pollution.
Road Rule 291 - requires that a person must not start a vehicle, or drive a vehicle, in a way that makes unnecessary noise or smoke, e.g. unnecessarily revving a vehicle when it is stationary or repeatedly opening and closing the throttle when the vehicle is in motion.
Police officers can also issue three demerit points for this offence.
Office of Environment and Heritage (OEH)
Environment Line: 131 555 (local call cost - NSW only) or (02) 9995 5000
Anyone got a DB meter ?
Think I may have some issues , great another fine is all I need [bang] NOT !
Think Brian got off easy didn't get booked for no rego sticker and didn't get an automatic ticket for
noise pollution , just a big fat inconvenience .......bastard's.
So is there a wash up from the incident on the old road last week?
Is that what you are referring too TD?
The other info would put a huge industry out of business.
How many of us and other bike riders for that matter have a standard exhaust.
'They' brought in a law a few years back that all aftermarket pipes (bikes only, not cars) had to be stamped with the dB reading measured under controlled conditions ... but that was quickly repealed - as bikes beyond a certain age [read: those that were really loud stock] would all have to be individually tested and stamped ... and very few of them would have been deemed 'acceptable'.
There was still a dB reading that you were meant to be under (certain revs measured a certain distance from the bike) but the average LEO possessed neither the equipment nor the expertise to be able to make an accurate reading. Perhaps this is the reason for sending a certain someone's bike 'over the pits' ... but obviously this serves very little purpose.
I am pretty sure when the Boss got a blue slip for the Lammie there was no noise test done ... and she is quite loud (yes, yes ... the scooter too).
Quote from: mattyvas on December 28, 2011, 11:02:57 PM
So is there a wash up from the incident on the old road last week?
Is that what you are referring too TD?
Unrelated ... but it was a fear I had at the time (as well as things like tail chops, lack of chicken strips, etc)
Quote from: mattyvas on December 28, 2011, 11:02:57 PM
The other info would put a huge industry out of business.
How many of us and other bike riders for that matter have a standard exhaust.
This is part of what killed the temporary law that was shot down a few years ago (also that it was completely impractical). Staintune were jumping through hoops and offering a 'tagging' service. It doesn't work on the large scale that you are talking about.
Regardless, it all seems quite discretionary.
What happened to those 'noise cameras' that were being trialled down south? Did any of that work? Still in operation?
In Vic, a 'concerned citizen' can report your vehicle to the EPA, you get a notice in the mail to report to a testing station within a time period.
You get fined and the process starts again if you dont attend.
If you attend and dont meet the rules, you get fined and defected.
And the 'concerned citizen' doesnt need to record their name or contact details, even if they are categorised as a 'vexatious litigant' by the courts.
So, you get dobbed in, you have to pay for the testing, and more if you dont. The dobber doesnt even have to be named. If your neighbour hates you, or your girlfriends mum doesnt want you around, here is their chance.
My sister used to work for the EPA, and some of the more 'committed' employees (activists) would take home a pad of complaint forms for weekend 'spotting' use.
same applies for exhaust smoke .
Thought i would go for a peaceful, sedate ride out to the Nthn Beaches, 5k's under the limit all the way.....spotted the booze patrol lined up on Mona Vale Rd just before St Ives.....they saw the bike coming and made a beeline over to flag me down.. Three of them came over but didn't quite know what to make of the bike, being an MV. One prick started at me for not displaying a rego label which is understandable i guess, while the other piped up saying that the exhaust is for race use only.....I don't think that the silly shits quite knew what to make of it. The four organ pipes at the rear aren't all that common.......Then he asks me to start it up, then rev it..... i'm handed a form saying that the dept of environment and climate change will contact me to arrange for it to be tested, failure to do so will equate to a $2,500 fine..........
NOTE..........they still haven't breath tested me.......
KU HWY Patrol..........Gordon....SC Boyd....... do i sense a familiarity here ?
I was pleasant, no smart ars remarks.......but their arrogance and comments were pretty lame. If i'd let loose they would have done me for the rego label plus anything else that took their fancy.......Arsholes to put it mildly.....
It puts a sour taste in your mouth, to the extent that i'm close to flogging both bikes off....but then i think, thats probably their objective.......
This was supposed to be a random breath test unit, .and they wonder why most motorcycle riders loathe them........enough said......preparing tonights dinner, menu below........... [evil]
(http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac55/braando54/pigs.jpg)
Thank God they don't bother with the noise testing crap in Tassie. It would probably put half the bikes off the road. They have enough problems with young kids ripping around the streets on unregistered chinese dirt bikes to keep them busy.
Don't let em get you down Teff. [thumbsup]
Geeze Bwian,
Is that just your Northern Beaches arrogant Copper?
Or does this happen to you anywhere you go?
Mmick
Quote from: mattyvas on December 28, 2011, 11:02:57 PM
So is there a wash up from the incident on the old road last week?
Is that what you are referring too TD?
The other info would put a huge industry out of business.
How many of us and other bike riders for that matter have a standard exhaust.
The four musketeer's have all (one may be missing due to Aust Post or other suspect activeties [laugh] ) received love letters from the Gordon [bacon] [leo] [bacon] bacon farm
looks like a video night at the station to decide next course of action [popcorn] anyone .
What is it with this particular precinct , did some Gixer boy racer run over the stations kitten.
Just Xmas time i'd say mmick........all leave cancelled for our fearless blue caps........plus they can't claim stress leave when they so much as fart anymore, so they are not happy campers....It is mainly around the Nthn Beaches & Pacific Hwy thats being targeted from my experiences that is..........look, there are always two sides to this argument......I have been riding the old rd around the speed limit, then overtaken by some idiots double my speed who deserve to be done......just ask Suzy, she has encountered a few on her push bike.....though that would be the last place that you'd catch me on one, pushbike that is......
The visit to the DECC to be tested should be interesting (Dept of Environment & Climate Change), stock exhaust, cat fitted, standard ECU, I just wonder though, as I arrive. Do I park my bike around their Prius's, or amongst all the pushbikes....? [roll] [roll]
Quote from: Brian W on December 29, 2011, 05:20:52 AMI have been riding the old rd around the speed limit, then overtaken by some idiots double my speed who deserve to be done......just ask Suzy, she has encountered a few on her push bike.....though that would be the last place that you'd catch me on one, pushbike that is......
Not so much done as just laughed at by their mates. I have no issues with riding quickly (I do so myself) - it's treating other people on the road badly that makes me want to spank people.
As for loud pipes, I would understand if the coppers were waiting outside the house for you to start it and rev it like a twit at 7am, but out on Mona Vale Road? Please!
Quote from: techno on December 29, 2011, 02:42:44 AM
Thank God they don't bother with the noise testing crap in Tassie. It would most likely put Mr. Meanie's bike off the road.
Even the motorcycle copper, who let me off with a warning for 12km/h over, didn't say anything about the noise [laugh]
Quote from: Yellow Meanie on December 29, 2011, 01:37:13 PM
Even the motorcycle copper, who let me off with a warning for 12km/h over, didn't say anything about the noise [laugh]
Same here Dave. They didn't even bother to look at my CF Arrows stamped with "not for road use". They did write me a ticket for my speed though. I have challenged it but not received the summons yet. I will see how far I can get with it.
Quote from: techno on December 29, 2011, 02:13:04 PM
Same here Dave. They didn't even bother to look at my CF Arrows stamped with "not for road use". They did write me a ticket for my speed though. I have challenged it but not received the summons yet. I will see how far I can get with it.
Techno what were the circumstances that lead to your challenge ?
[popcorn] I have a vested interest in this activity and its outcome ;D
:o
Leigh, I thought you had cored stock pipes. Have I seen the arrows?
Has it been that long between rides? ???
Quote from: Yellow Meanie on December 29, 2011, 03:13:04 PM
:o
Leigh, I thought you had cored stock pipes. Have I seen the arrows?
Has it been that long between rides? ???
I've had them since July this year. Purchased from BigMic on this site when he sold his S2R800. Must be time for another ride.
PM sent two dogs.
2 weeks, it's on. [evil]
Took the bike out for a short run down to Manly yesterday afternoon to scope a position for the 9pm fireworks. Given the experience BW had below i decided to find the baffles for my Arrow system - no more legal but less attention... This is the 1st time i have fitted them & i cannot believe the difference, i could actually hear the road noise, not to mention my lazy/sloppy throttle control :(
Those things have to go
Thought you guys might find this interesting....
http://www.mccofnsw.org.au/a/174.html (http://www.mccofnsw.org.au/a/174.html)
Quote from: Blackmarble on March 03, 2012, 01:31:44 PM
Thought you guys might find this interesting....
http://www.mccofnsw.org.au/a/174.html (http://www.mccofnsw.org.au/a/174.html)
That was the action that I refer to in my earlier posts.
But this from your link is where the current problems stem from:
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In it’s justification, the then EPA claimed this labelling requirement allowed the Police and EPA officers to readily identify less effective mufflers that may exceed the prescribed noise limits
So their current modus operandi is to just send people off for a test (at the expense of the owner) ... in effect they are trying to prove that the labelling was an effective system. Although it remains to be seen whether they would accept the label on face value anyway ... wouldn't surprise me if they still sent you for a test (just to be sure there was no funny business going on).
The other thing i heard after speaking to a bloke at pie in the sky few months back was that, if modifications were carried out by a qualified mechanic at the dealer where you purchased your bike from then they would deem that as "legal"? Ive spoken to a few dealers about after market exhausts and most of them tell me the same thing, just depends on who pulls you over and what mood theyre in!
Thats the thing that irritates me, theyre not consistent!
Quote from: Blackmarble on March 03, 2012, 04:39:22 PM
The other thing i heard after speaking to a bloke at pie in the sky few months back was that, if modifications were carried out by a qualified mechanic at the dealer where you purchased your bike from then they would deem that as "legal"? Ive spoken to a few dealers about after market exhausts and most of them tell me the same thing, just depends on who pulls you over and what mood theyre in!
Thats the thing that irritates me, theyre not consistent!
That I find very hard to believe ... and impossible to verify at the roadside. I'd suggest many mechanics wouldn't put their name to it ... similar to the reason Ducati dealers won't install termis on initial purchase - often fitted at the first service (though that may be related to emissions as much as noise).
i had an rbt the other night, they chased me down on the kingsway. both got out and went over the bike, one at the front and one the rear. the guy are the rear taps the other on the shoulder and pointed to the ducati performace painted onto my remus cans and nodded then went back to the car. the other guy pointed out "those sprokets" meaning the lack of belt covers and i said i hadnt put the covers back on as i just put new oil lines on and pointed out the shiney new oil lines. he accepted that, then he asked where the rego label is, and i told him the rear plate (pointing at the tail chop number plate holder) had broken off and that i had had to make a whole new section to fix the plate on, the rego label is under the seat till i work out a better way to mount it than std. and he watched me try to get the lid off the under seat tool box for a sec before he said dont worry.. i said bloody ducati dont make them simple and he looked at me me and said, "yeah but they are supposed to look better or sumthing" as he walked off...
point of the story, i think the DUCATI PERFORMANCE on the cans was what saved me as they seemed to be chasing me cause of the noise i made accelerating up the hill... so much so that im thinking of getting some plates cut out with DUCATI on them to weld onto the cans of my next set of cans, much like the label on car performance headers.
Quote from: Betty on March 03, 2012, 06:05:20 PM
That I find very hard to believe ... and impossible to verify at the roadside. I'd suggest many mechanics wouldn't put their name to it ... similar to the reason Ducati dealers won't install termis on initial purchase - often fitted at the first service (though that may be related to emissions as much as noise).
because by law you can go back to the dealer and get a refund because they have supplied you a vehicle that does not meet the ADR's