I am looking to bring my 2007 S2R 800 to a local dealer to be serviced. I bought the bike used last year with 1,500 miles on it and have since ridden about 1,200 miles. According to the previous ower, the 600 mile service was already performed but who really knows for sure. (The dealer he bought it from no longer sells Ducati so there is no record)
The bike was bone stock when I purchased it and have since replaced the "udder" with a Marving mid-pipe and also chopped / cored the stock exhaust cans.
In a previous post, members were very helpful in providing insight as to what needs to be performed to safely run the motor with an exhaust set up like this. Re-flashing the ECU, installing a Power Commander, etc. The problem is, after contacting 2 Ducati dealers, I am getting mixed responses as to what needs to be (or even can be) done.
Does anyone here have experience with this particular modification on this particular Monster? I'm sure something needs to be done to the ECU since the exhaust has been modified. Any suggestions on who to call?
Thanks for any assistance you may be able to offer.
where are you?
I live in NJ. I spoke with the guys at Trebour and Cross Country. Both places very professional and helpful. they just gave me different answers as to what could / couldnt be done. I called the guys at Fast By Ferraci in PA and they were very helpful / knowledgeable as well. Wherever I take it, its going to cost a few bucks. I want to make sure what needs to get done gets done.....
If Country Joe is still at Trebour, then that is the place to go. He's pretty straight up.
if you're not too far from Paxinos, PA, then MikMar is a good place. Ducati tech out in the middle of nowhere.
Why are all the good shops out in the middle of nowhere???
Quote from: ducatiz on January 03, 2012, 10:10:31 AM
Why are all the good shops out in the middle of nowhere???
Less competition and better roads to get there and back.
Quote from: bevel on January 03, 2012, 12:30:12 PM
Less competition and better roads to get there and back.
maybe around you, but around me it has always been slab-city to get to them. 100 miles of tarmac, you could land a fleet of 787s on it.
One of the reasons you are getting different answers is there are different answers. The very affordable answer is just do the CO trim, particularly if you leave the airbox alone. The bike will still be a little lean at high engine speeds. Second best is a Power Commander or similar device with a canned map. Best is a PC with a custom map.
I have to agree with Ducatiz about Country Joe at Trebour. You might also want to speak with Steve at http://www.europeancycleservices.com (http://www.europeancycleservices.com) I would trust both of them with my first born.
In my previous research on this topic, the consensus seemed to be if you don't touch the airbox you don't really need to alter the fuelling.
I now have open airbox cored cans and a power commander dynotuned by the local PC expert. Made a huge difference, great linear power delivery, better torque and no popping on overrun. I can send you my map via email if you want to go the power commander route, I have already sent it to a 4 or 5 people on this board.
I have a 2005 S2R800 running a full Arrows exhaust (no udder). I have not touched the airbox and it runs fine.
As standard it ran very snatchy below 4000rpm. Now it pulls cleanly from 2000 rpm. It doesn't run hot suggesting its not running lean. I may eventually have the fuelling looked at but I don't think it needs it.
I would be interested to hear what advice you eventually get.
Quote from: ducatiz on January 03, 2012, 10:10:31 AM
if you're not too far from Paxinos, PA, then MikMar is a good place. Ducati tech out in the middle of nowhere.
Why are all the good shops out in the middle of nowhere???
BIG +1 to Mike Duzick at MikMar Motors
That place really is out in the middle of nowhere
I really appreciate the help thus far.... I have no intention on altering the air box. I only modified the exhaust to achieve more of a throaty exhaust note. Now that I have that, I want to make sure I am not damaging any internals... (Howie - Without sounding like a simpleton, what exactly is the CO trim?)
CO - Carbon Monoxide
trim refers to the modifying of the fuel range curve which affect the entire range of operation.
The stock ECU only allows trim settings.
A Power Commander (PCIII) will allow you to modify the fuel feed at any point in the RPM range so you can make a custom curve, you can even set it separately for each cylinder.
Easiest way to check if its running okay is to check the sparkplug.
http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/tech_support/spark_plugs/faqs/faqread.asp
I have only gotten small things done by the guys at trebour, but they have always been respectful of my bike.
I have an 05 with the same set up. New mid pipe and cored cans. Air box is UNmodified. I have done nothing and the bike runs great.
I wouldn't worry.
You might luck out like CharlieF did depending on how trim is set now.
I spoke with Country Joe and also Steve from European Cycle. These guys definitely know their trade. Based on location alone, I will most likely end up bringing the bike to Trebour. If these guys were equal distance away, I would have a hard time deciding where to bring it. I would definitely recommend both shops to anyone in the Northern NJ / NY area.
Steve at European Cyce has a dyno and got into a tremendous amount of detail with what he could do for me. Unfortunately, European Cycle is well over 3 hours away from me.... a little out of my strike zone.
Both would start with adjusting the trim settings. I would love to be able to remove the stock cored cans and replace them with the slash cut tips I recently purchased. (This would pretty much be the equivilant of running the bike with open pipes). Steve at European Cycles said he could most likely make both set ups work with some custom mapping, but at that point, it starts to get pricey. He would really need to get his hands on the bike in order to make the best assesment on what would need to be done to utilize both. Just wish his shop was closer....
With that said, Joe at Trebour said he sees many S2R owners coming in with similar set ups to mine. He made me feel very comfortable as to what needs to be done for my set up. With that said, he did not recommend running the bike with only the slash cut tips.... He said he has guys that have the stock midpipe with the slash cut tips and run the bikes no problem. I guess with the Marving mid-pipe and the slash cut tips, its not the best idea.....?
Yeah, straight pipes with just slash tips doesn't give enough restriction for the engine to run well without tweaking it a lot.
search Boomtube here and see what is a similar setup, but has enough restriction built into the design so it works.
Joe has been there for a while and I've sent a bunch of ppl to him, good to see he is still going strong.
I've known Joe at Trebour for years and have dealt with the guys at ECS since they opened, you're not going to go wrong with either of them working on the bike.
I've been running just the stock mid-pipe for over 20k miles without any issues. My take is that the udder provides enough back pressure to keep the engine running properly.