I not sure what I have done to her but I went to go for a ride yesterday and she will not start. [bang]
I suspected a flat battery so hooked her up to the charger over night...
today (after 13 hours on charge) the dash lights etc. came on but the starter motor is not turning over....The 100evo has a inbuilt voltage meter and this reads 12.7 volts before attempting to start....Not knowing much about batteries I would have thought that was sufficient power for a starter motor considering its a 12 Volt System however I do note that when the motor is running the voltage read out is approx 14.5....
Anyway managed to get her going with a roll start and rode around for about an hour. Half an hour after turning of the engine she will not start again..... ??? This bike only has 2.5 k on the clock and is less than 8 months old so I'm thinking I may have a faulty battery. Has anyone else had similar issues with the new gen monsters???
Quote from: lukevo on March 15, 2012, 08:28:19 PM
This bike only has 2.5 k on the clock and is less than 8 months old
Sounds like it's under warranty, so take it back to the dealers & don't stuff around with it!
12.7 volts is a good battery .is it cranking over or just a clicking sound or just dead all together?
Quote from: dan_t on March 15, 2012, 08:57:18 PM
Sounds like it's under warranty, so take it back to the dealers & don't stuff around with it!
Yeah I hope it is covered under warranty if I indeed a new battery is required
Quote from: Rob s on March 15, 2012, 09:10:28 PM
12.7 volts is a good battery .is it cranking over or just a clicking sound or just dead all together?
Dash lights work, The exhaust valve is making its sound... and it makes a click click click sound when I turn it over. Also the bike ran normally when I roll started it...
As Dan said should be a warranty issue .but if it is cranking over slowly could be a week battery.the old twins need a strong battery.
Luke I obviously don't have any experience to share on the new-gen Monsters, but our experiences with the 4v bikes sounds similar. I keep hearing that batteries don't last long nowadays ... but 8 months!? I am sure one (or more) of our elctrickery experts will have a proper answer for you soon enough.
Anyway our experience:
The girls' bikes (620 & 800) have never really had a problem. But the big bikes always struggle ... even if left on a tender. Left off the tender for a couple of days they wouldn't start. So we chucked 'em in and bought a couple of Shorai batteries for the big bikes ... no more problems.
The 999 has a meter as well and typically is in the mid-twelves at start up ... as soon as it turns over it reads mid to high thirteens. Nowadays with the Shorai it can sit for weeks untendered and starts first go (it just doesn't sound very keen when you push that button).
EDIT: Got distracted while typing so I haven't read the above replies yet.
Thanks for the info guys...yeah I was thinking that if the battery is shot that I might go for something after market like the Shorai...Ducati gave me a battery tender to use when I took delivery, I usually use it when the bike sits for more than a few days. It seemed strange to me at the time that a battery tender is sold with a new sportsbike which kinda suggests to me that the stock batteries have a hard life and are not exactly up to the task, but I am a total novice when it come to all things electrical...
It was also just two minutes ago that I opened a letter from Ducati...looks like a recall for a new rear wheel due the slight possibility the current one will crack under the pressure.....
If you've got good voltage at the battery (which it sounds like you do) but it still won't start, check your main battery connections. A poor ground or a corroded starter lead will cause issues and they were relatively common problems on the previous gen Monsters.
Easiest culprit to check on the old bikes was the frame ground, which would either corrode or just kinda shake a bit loose. Follow the lead from your negative terminal to wherever it bolts to the frame. A lot of times a quick wire brushing on both sides of that connection will cure this kind of issue.
That doesn't sound good. Something that I haven't seen suggested. could it be the immobilizer?
I know that the classics have a circular antenna that sits under the key guard and if it drops away it won't pick up the key and you get nothing
as a response when the key is in the ignition.
Does the new gen Monster have a similar system? It does sound like there is enough charge in the battery and even though new batteries might not have long life in them less than 8 months is poor. For me even between long breaks I still don't use my battery tender.
sounds like a stuffed battery
me personally always use a battery tender
from experience from 916 days unless the battery is at 100% then you can have trouble starting , esp with hard wired headlights that are pulling 5+ amps
when you are trying to start the bike
along with the fact that motorcycle chargin circuits are marginal at best , they are just not designed to dump large currents into half flat batteries
a battery kept on the charger or topped up before riding will alst far longer as well as the charging circuit having a longer life , esp on hondas , my recent ebay purchase was a new in the box ducati shimdeng reg/rect , not for a if i need it but for a when i need it day bargain $65
Thanks for the input...Yeah Matty I thought it might be the immobilizer also but then concluded that I would not have been able to roll start.....I'm thinking I'll do a little bit of investigative work and check the connections as per Bucket heads suggestion and if nothing is obvious I'll take it back to the dealers.....
just to chime in I don't think my 2006 Monster has had it's battery replaced yet....(hope I havent jinxed it)
You can have good surface charge on a battery which will show good voltage - the cold cranking amps or core charge is what really defines a battery. As per comments I would say the battery has dropped it's core charge.
Battery, but there could have been something that stuffed your battery. Batteries occasionally go phoot early in their lives, but only occasionally.
Quote from: suzyj on March 16, 2012, 03:30:21 AM
Battery, but there could have been something that stuffed your battery. Batteries occasionally go phoot early in their lives, but only occasionally.
I'm thinking the same as Suzyj, pull the battery out and take it down to your local auto electrician and have him load test the battery that will give you a good idea of the condition of the battery.
If that comes back ok as previously said check your connections including the one to the starter from the relay, anything loose or corroded will give you problems.
Mmick
Quote from: Rob s on March 15, 2012, 09:10:28 PM
12.7 volts is a good battery .is it cranking over or just a clicking sound or just dead all together?
not necessarilly,
what matters is the voltage drop as you start it, you can still maintain good volts but have bugger all cranking amps.
put a meter across the battery and hit the starter, if it falls below say 10v it's stuffed, if it holds it's voltage it's not the battery but more likely, as others have said a poor connection.
Quote from: J5 on March 15, 2012, 11:29:39 PM
sounds like a stuffed battery
me personally always use a battery tender
from experience from 916 days unless the battery is at 100% then you can have trouble starting , esp with hard wired headlights that are pulling 5+ amps
when you are trying to start the bike
along with the fact that motorcycle chargin circuits are marginal at best , they are just not designed to dump large currents into half flat batteries
a battery kept on the charger or topped up before riding will alst far longer as well as the charging circuit having a longer life , esp on hondas , my recent ebay purchase was a new in the box ducati shimdeng reg/rect , not for a if i need it but for a when i need it day bargain $65
this is good advice, as well as extending the life of your battery you are looking after the starter motor, as voltage drops amps drawn increase to compensate, this puts more heat through the wiring and assists in burning out starter brushes. a battery tender will save you a lot of grief if you don't ride everyday.
Reading through everyone's responses makes me think I must be very lucky. I haven't changed the battery in my 1000s since I bought it 6 years ago!!! (Hope I haven't just jinxed mine as well :-X)
I don't use a battery tender and I have let it sit for up to 5 months without starting and it started first go.
I did however have an immoboliser problem a fortnight ago whilst at the NDR in Jindabyne. Bike had been sitting out in the rain all night (poor thing). Nothing at all when I hit the starter button but all dash lights were fine. Wouldn't jump start. Ended up having to rotate the key and spare around until it started. Lucky I carry the spare with me these days. [thumbsup]
Like everyone else has said - it's under warranty - get them to fix it pronto!
Quote from: heatherp on March 16, 2012, 05:08:16 AM
Reading through everyone's responses makes me think I must be very lucky. I haven't changed the battery in my 1000s since I bought it 6 years ago!!! (Hope I haven't just jinxed mine as well :-X)
I don't use a battery tender and I have let it sit for up to 5 months without starting and it started first go.
haha you too huh? I let my bike sit in the shed during the winter months, although every couple of weeks I will put it on a trickle charge overnight... [thumbsup]
+1 never on a charger always starts.
Only just changed out the original battery six years old in the S2R
It was still working but last winter it was getting a little slow so
decided to re new to avoid a break down.
Also after going through all the crap with the wife's 695 monster
last month ,all due to a failing cell causing amp spikes in a four year old battery which scorched the injector relay resulting in random shut downs. [bang] $$$
Sounds like most have had better luck than me with batteries which s good to hear, i was going to a bit a fault finding today, and if the battery is shot I will purchase a new one, anyone have any suggestions on where one may find aftermarket batteries in Sydney?
Interestingly I spoke to the dealer this morning and they said they wouldn't replace the Battery under warranty unless it's stuffed as a consequence of something else breaking so if all it is is a stuffed battery then I'll have to fork out the dollars...
Quote from: lukevo on March 16, 2012, 04:24:27 PM
Interestingly I spoke to the dealer this morning and they said they wouldn't replace the Battery under warranty unless it's stuffed as a consequence of something else breaking so if all it is is a stuffed battery then I'll have to fork out the dollars...
garbage
i would remove the battery and take it to a battery world and ask hem to load test it
read your warranty document !!!
saying unless it failed from something else is dubious
I do recall in cars the battery is under a 12 month and is pro rata which means since you got 2/3 of the ;ife out of it then you are entritled to a 1/3 refund
Quote from: lukevo on March 16, 2012, 04:24:27 PM
Interestingly I spoke to the dealer this morning and they said they wouldn't replace the Battery under warranty unless it's stuffed as a consequence of something else breaking so if all it is is a stuffed battery then I'll have to fork out the dollars...
typical dealer bullsh1t!
don't take it, they're lying to you hoping you will either buy a new battery from them or at the very least they don't have to fill out the warranty paperwork to get their stock replaced.
fair dinkum, i'm glad my newest bike is just out of warranty cause dealing with thieving pricks like that gives me an ulcer.
hope you're not in qld cause up here they're all as bad as each other!
thank god for independent shops like eurotwins and speedys
That sounds dodgy to me. The battery in our pug died after 2.5 years (3 year warranty), leaking electrolyte everywhere.
Pug dealer replaced it for nothing under warranty, and cleaned up the mess it made as well.
Now if only they could learn how to actually change filters, they'd be worth feeding.
Quote from: Mr.S2R on March 16, 2012, 06:09:27 AM
haha you too huh? I let my bike sit in the shed during the winter months, although every couple of weeks I will put it on a trickle charge overnight... [thumbsup]
Quote from: Two dogs on March 16, 2012, 03:39:45 PM
+1 never on a charger always starts.
Only just changed out the original battery six years old in the S2R
They must have made a really good batch of batteries about 6 years ago I guess. [cheeky]
Quote from: loony888 on March 16, 2012, 04:41:08 AM
not necessarilly,
what matters is the voltage drop as you start it, you can still maintain good volts but have bugger all cranking amps.
put a meter across the battery and hit the starter, if it falls below say 10v it's stuffed, if it holds it's voltage it's not the battery but more likely, as others have said a poor connection.
Beat me to it.
Volts might look okay, but the amps could be down. Could be a crook cell, which a simple volts reading wouldn't show.
If you haven't got a meter, take it to a battery joint.
All the best with it.
GK
Well I Pulled the battery out yesterday, once I got the tank covers off I found that the bolts that hold on the fuel tank were missing (WTF). I guess these were not tightened enough when I had the DP ECU installed (by the dealer [bang])
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I left the Duc on the operating table overnight and took the Battery down to Balmain Motorcycles repairs today. The guys load tested the battery and gave it two thumbs up [thumbsup], They even gave me a load test readout so I could take it back to the dealer as proof that something else on the bike is not working...I thought there was nothing to lose in checking all the connections before taking the bike back to the dealers so I went home to start some fault finding...
As a start I gave the boys at Dmoto a call...Within 30 seconds they concluded that having seen a few with the same problem the issue is probably with the earth connection that is located on the bottom left side of the engine behind the oil hose bracket, they even offered to fix it free if I bought the bike in so nothing but praises for those guys.....so I checked this connection and sure enough it was loose.....got it all back together and starts no problems. [clap]
So with the benefit of hind sight.... anyone who has a new gen monster with starting issues… you can check the earth Connection first which is relatively easy to access.. prior to going to the next step and pulling of tank covers / tanks etc. to reach the battery
That's great news for you and typical news from Fraser (I'm guessing)
Sean does love a good earth issue, a while back my bike was checked for every earth connection.
So what about the missing bolts? Will you at least have them replaced by the dealer?
And then go to town about the fact they just brushed you away instead of wanting to take care of a customer. [roll]
yeah nice work luke,
shame you had to do all that running around cause your dealer was too lazy/stupid to help you out with a WARRANTY issue.
seriously, the amount of people i know who have given up on ducati and gone to another brand because of a severe lack of support from dealers and the importer is disgraceful.
glad it worked out for you mate.
They werent ASSembling Ducatis in India around then were they!?? [roll] [roll]
I'm glad your Italian is talking again, I really hate the silent treatment. Glad to be proven wrong for once, I thought for sure it was the battery.
there is only one bolt in the two tank pins. gets a lot of people steamed up that does.
Quote from: brad black on March 19, 2012, 03:24:39 PM
there is only one bolt in the two tank pins. gets a lot of people steamed up that does.
Thanks for that Brad I wasn't aware that there was only one bolt for the two pins. In this case there were no bolts on either side so now it appears only one is missing.
Quote from: mattyvas on March 19, 2012, 12:31:37 AM
That's great news for you and typical news from Fraser (I'm guessing)
Sean does love a good earth issue, a while back my bike was checked for every earth connection.
So what about the missing bolts? Will you at least have them replaced by the dealer?
I haven't spoken to the dealer about the missing bolt
s yet but will do so when I book the bike in to have the rear wheel replaced as part of the recall...I'm thinking they will have no option but to accept this as a replacement under warranty