http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicles/2012/equus/ (http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicles/2012/equus/)
Not sure what you're trying to say.
It's a really, really, nice, powerful, quiet car, actually.
Not sure I'd be ready to drop $59K on a Hyundai, however.
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on March 18, 2012, 09:40:03 PM
Not sure what you're trying to say.
Not sure I'd be ready to drop $59K on a Hyundai, however.
+1
Reading over the site now, but yeah, that's a lot of scratch for a Hyundai...
Not trying to say anything other than it can run with the big dogs.
Reclining rear seats with foot rests, who has that in a luxury sedan?
Go and test drive this car, it will boggle your mind.
After we made the decision to buy a Kia (last year), I went and looked at the other Kia/Hyundai models because the Sorento we got has proven itself. It's a very well designed and built vehicle.
They have come of age, I'll say.
The Equus is pretty amazing. RWD as well, though I'd prefer 4wd in any car these days, but doing it in RWD says something to me...
They are doing a good job of trying to take Toyota down.
Don't sneeze at the Koreans, they have taken longer to get to the table, but look at their phone and tablet offerings -- better than most and the Samsung is giving the Apple a run for its money.
2011 Hyundai Equus vs 2011 Bentley Mulsanne (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DphtJJxDnBQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
MotoMan - What Is Luxury? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22O5QnSLdeE&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on March 18, 2012, 09:40:03 PM
Not sure I'd be ready to drop $59K on a Hyundai, however.
people used to say things like that about Lexus. In the 70's, they said things like that about BMW and Porsche.
Kopf, did you drive the car? Thinking about one?
Quote from: kupcaker on March 18, 2012, 10:08:09 PM
2011 Hyundai Equus vs 2011 Bentley Mulsanne (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DphtJJxDnBQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
The Bentley clearly has the edge due to the chassis size and interior quality, but for 6x the price?
Hyundai could make that car 6" wider and longer and use more leather in the back and it would be nearly indistinguishable.
the Equus was origionally released last year and was at around $70K and the owners manual was on an i-Pad that was docked in the glovebox that came with the car and they talked of regular service, the option at most dealerships for pick-up at your home like they do for Bentley's....
at that time, I fully expected this thing to suffer the same fate as the VW Phaeton....time will tell...the Phaeton was at least a more or less rebadged Audi A8L and most that bought them did so opting to save the money and knowing what they were getting...because they were Audi customers...not a VW customer looking to be sold up within the brand....so Hyundai is merely just trying to poach from other luxury makers ( moreso Lexus as the target this aims at) and quite frankly it has the potential, as long as people can overcome their brand stereotypes that still could be the betrayal of this vehicles possible success
Quote from: ducatiz on March 18, 2012, 10:07:18 PM
They are doing a good job of trying to take Toyota down.
Just wait until you see what Toyota & Lexus are bringing to the table over the next 18 months.
FYI...Camry is outselling Sonata 2:1 so far this year.
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on March 19, 2012, 05:45:23 AM
Just wait until you see what Toyota & Lexus are bringing to the table over the next 18 months.
FYI...Camry is outselling Sonata 2:1 so far this year.
It will be a good fight.
Hyundai/Kia has more interesting cars and can ride on the shoulders of Toyota's developments.
They've also not mired themselves in with GM to assemble cars in the US -- all of the Camrys in the US are now being built in a Subaru plant IIRC. Hyundai built their own plant in Georgia and the QA has been over the top.
The main kinks I see with the Korean cars right now is the quirkiness of the features -- like our Kia Sorento has driver-side electric seat controls, but the passenger doesn't. Meanwhile, it has perforated leather throughout. It would seem to be an easy choice to put the seat controls on both sides.. Some other small quirks like that.
We tested the Toyota Rav4 (among half a dozen vehicles) and didn't like it. The 2011 version was just ugly as sin and the third row seat was clearly an afterthought. Also, legroom for the driver was tiny. The Sorento feels purpose built -- the third row is small but when closed up you don't know its there. On the Rav, it is an eyesore and you loose cargo room.
Toyota definitely has the ability to get ahead, but I think by offshoring their assembly, they are taking a chance and clearly with the NUMMI-built Camrys they screwed up, as well as the 6 or so recalls in the last 4-5 years.
I think part of the reason Hyundai has lagged is their conservative approach. They perfect a design before shipping it. The Japanese seem to design something and then use top notch manufacturing to make it run. The last Toy I owned was a '79 Celica GT -- I put 150k miles on it and sold it with 200k miles running perfectly. Beautiful little car, and the engine was heavy but reliable.
Quote from: ducatiz on March 19, 2012, 06:00:55 AM
It will be a good fight.
Hyundai/Kia has more interesting cars and can ride on the shoulders of Toyota's developments.
They've also not mired themselves in with GM to assemble cars in the US -- all of the Camrys in the US are now being built in a Subaru plant IIRC. Hyundai built their own plant in Georgia and the QA has been over the top.
The main kinks I see with the Korean cars right now is the quirkiness of the features -- like our Kia Sorento has driver-side electric seat controls, but the passenger doesn't. Meanwhile, it has perforated leather throughout. It would seem to be an easy choice to put the seat controls on both sides.. Some other small quirks like that.
We tested the Toyota Rav4 (among half a dozen vehicles) and didn't like it. The 2011 version was just ugly as sin and the third row seat was clearly an afterthought. Also, legroom for the driver was tiny. The Sorento feels purpose built -- the third row is small but when closed up you don't know its there. On the Rav, it is an eyesore and you loose cargo room.
Toyota definitely has the ability to get ahead, but I think by offshoring their assembly, they are taking a chance and clearly with the NUMMI-built Camrys they screwed up, as well as the 6 or so recalls in the last 4-5 years.
I think part of the reason Hyundai has lagged is their conservative approach. They perfect a design before shipping it. The Japanese seem to design something and then use top notch manufacturing to make it run. The last Toy I owned was a '79 Celica GT -- I put 150k miles on it and sold it with 200k miles running perfectly. Beautiful little car, and the engine was heavy but reliable.
I'm not sure where you are getting your information, but you are completely off the mark regarding Toyota's manufacturing here in the states.
1) Camrys were never built at NUMMI. That defunct joint venture with GM built Corollas and Tacomas.
2) All Camrys sold in the US are built in the US, with the highest domestic parts content (per Cars.com). The majority are built in Georgetown, KY at TMMK, wholly owned by Toyota. The balance are built in Lafayette, IN at SIA (Subaru) of which Toyota has a 17% stake in Fuji Heavy Industries (Subaru's parent company).
3) I've driven the new Camry vs a Sonata, Altima, Fusion, Malibu, Accord and Legacy. None of them can touch it, in any aspect. A good friend of mine bought a Kia Optima last summer. I saw him in November. The car had 7,400 miles on it and was already falling apart.
4) About 70% (and climbing) of the Toyotas sold in NA are manufactured here. That will continue to rise as our newest plant in MS adds capacity for Corolla as it ramps up. The second newest plant opened in '08.
5) Do some research on the recalls before you just spew soundbites. Recalls make cars safer.
I'll quote our global president (Akio Toyoda) from a meeting I saw him at last fall, "Anyone who underestimates Toyota, does so at their own peril."
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on March 19, 2012, 06:31:31 AM
<snip>
5) Do some research on the recalls before you just spew soundbites. Recalls make cars safer.
...but...but...
rumor and innuendo are so much more exciting. ;D
I got a few things wrong, it's ok.
My comment wasn't to say that Toyotas are shit, they aren't, they have a good reputation for good reason. My Celica would have gone another 200k miles easily and the body was in great shape.
I thought NUMMI built Camrys as well but I read that incorrectly. It was the Matrix I was thinking of with QA issues.
Your friend with the Optima is unique, perhaps he was offroading it? My wife's mother bought the new Optima on my recommendation and a year later she's still thrilled with it. We have 32k miles into this Sorento and still would buy it again and my wife puts 50 miles/day on it commuting to work.
Toyota tried to be the biggest car company but the price was that they ended up with crappy styling on several models (Rav4 for one) and killing some people on the other. That's what happens when you over extend.
Wait, you work at Toyota? Well of course you're going to pump them up, my friend! That Kia Optima would have to give you a massage and a handjob and get 400 mpg (on water) before you'd give it marks over the Camry! :-)
Recalls do make cars safer but are necessary due to QA problems in design and manufacturing. I'd prefer (we'd all prefer) a car that doesn't
need recalls, but of course that's not realistic, so the fewer recalls, the better.
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on March 19, 2012, 06:31:31 AM
I'm not sure where you are getting your information, but you are completely off the mark regarding Toyota's manufacturing here in the states.
1) Camrys were never built at NUMMI. That defunct joint venture with GM built Corollas and Tacomas.
2) All Camrys sold in the US are built in the US, with the highest domestic parts content (per Cars.com). The majority are built in Georgetown, KY at TMMK, wholly owned by Toyota. The balance are built in Lafayette, IN at SIA (Subaru) of which Toyota has a 17% stake in Fuji Heavy Industries (Subaru's parent company).
3) I've driven the new Camry vs a Sonata, Altima, Fusion, Malibu, Accord and Legacy. None of them can touch it, in any aspect. A good friend of mine bought a Kia Optima last summer. I saw him in November. The car had 7,400 miles on it and was already falling apart.
4) About 70% (and climbing) of the Toyotas sold in NA are manufactured here. That will continue to rise as our newest plant in MS adds capacity for Corolla as it ramps up. The second newest plant opened in '08.
5) Do some research on the recalls before you just spew soundbites. Recalls make cars safer.
I'll quote our global president (Akio Toyoda) from a meeting I saw him at last fall, "Anyone who underestimates Toyota, does so at their own peril."
See comments in red.
Quote from: ducatiz on March 19, 2012, 06:50:10 AM
I thought NUMMI built Camrys as well but I read that incorrectly. It was the Matrix I was thinking of with QA issues. Matrix were never built at NUMMI either. And please clue me in on it's QA issues.
Your friend with the Optima is unique, perhaps he was offroading it? My wife's mother bought the new Optima on my recommendation and a year later she's still thrilled with it. We have 32k miles into this Sorento and still would buy it again and my wife puts 50 miles/day on it commuting to work. No off-roading. Only a 40 mile one-way commute to work
Toyota tried to be the biggest car company but the price was that they ended up with crappy styling on several models (Rav4 for one) and killing some people on the other. That's what happens when you over extend. Styling is subjective, my friend. I have no issues with the styling of the current RAV4 (of course, I am a fan boy) [roll]
Wait, you work at Toyota? Well of course you're going to pump them up, my friend! That Kia Optima would have to give you a massage and a handjob and get 400 mpg (on water) before you'd give it marks over the Camry! :-) As I said, I've driven the Camry's competitors back to back to back. Fan boy says Camry wins! Of course, the general public must agree as Camry was #1 in passenger car sales last year and is leading the pack so far this year
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on March 19, 2012, 07:00:35 AM
See comments in red.
everything is subjective. Camrys are popular in America for the same reason that Whirlpool dryers are -- they are inoffensive, and cheap for the base model. for the same money, you get a ton more features in a Hyundai or Kia, and the Kia has much better styling.
I honestly don't care that much about Toyota or Hyundai, but I have been very impressed with Hyundai's efforts lately and not at all impressed with Toyotas. They make very good engines, but their styling has been crap for a long time, which is I think a result of them trying to be Buick (Venza anyone? [puke] )
when they go back to making cars like the 2000GT, I'll reconsider owning one.
I don't follow the car mags as much as I used to. Maybe it's just because I hear "Toyota recall of 500,000 vehicles" on the radio every few weeks. The NUMMI plant had QA problems, which is why they shut it down, I'll have to google to see what was made there for Toyota, but if you say Corollas, Coronas, and Tercels and cheap Hiluxes, and I'll go with that.
Here is the Toyota I used to lust for
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/SyGUBxPRv4I/AAAAAAACVNE/EgJBhjTYMx4/s1600/Toyota-2000GT-3.jpg)
here's the one I had (same color too)
(http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/3531/3441/33826720021_large.jpg)
I've rented the sonata and genesis. I'll say that the genesis feels a lot like the 5 series Beemer. Each week I rent a car I look for one, fully loaded of course. ;D.
I'm very impressed with them.
The Genesis Coupe falls right into the sport car category. RWD with almost 350hp. It's a fun car.
That is a nice car drove one. But I am eagerly waiting for 2013 Toyota Avalon Hybrid. [thumbsup]
Quote from: ducatiz on March 19, 2012, 07:16:24 AM
everything is subjective. Camrys are popular in America for the same reason that Whirlpool dryers are -- they are inoffensive, and cheap for the base model. for the same money, you get a ton more features in a Hyundai or Kia, and the Kia has much better styling.
I honestly don't care that much about Toyota or Hyundai, but I have been very impressed with Hyundai's efforts lately and not at all impressed with Toyotas. They make very good engines, but their styling has been crap for a long time, which is I think a result of them trying to be Buick (Venza anyone? [puke] )
when they go back to making cars like the 2000GT, I'll reconsider owning one.
I don't follow the car mags as much as I used to. Maybe it's just because I hear "Toyota recall of 500,000 vehicles" on the radio every few weeks. The NUMMI plant had QA problems, which is why they shut it down, I'll have to google to see what was made there for Toyota, but if you say Corollas, Coronas, and Tercels and cheap Hiluxes, and I'll go with that.
While you may not follow the car mags, the sound bites you hear have you posting mis-information about NUMMI once again.
At the end, NUMMI built Corollas, Tacomas & the Pontiac Vibe. It previously built Chevrolet Novas, Geo Prizms, Toyota Hilux & the Toyota Voltz (for export to Japan).
NUMMI wasn't closed due to any QA issues. GM suspended production there in 2009 when Pontiac went away, and then decided to walk away from the plant as part of it's restructuring. Toyota, being only a 50% owner, decided to then close the plant as it had excess truck capacity in Texas and a brand new, yet empty, plant in Mississippi. Tacoma went to Texas, Corolla is now built in Mississippi. Toyota provided about $250M to the 4,700 workers at NUMMI left without a job. GM paid $0.
If you liked the 2000GT (and who wouldn't??), check out the Scion FR-S when it hits showrooms this summer. I'm betting there will be something sporty and a little more upmarket with a Toyota badge on it sometime in the future.
Quote from: 99Zulu on March 19, 2012, 11:34:08 AM
That is a nice car drove one. But I am eagerly waiting for 2013 Toyota Avalon Hybrid. [thumbsup]
The next Avalon will surprise a lot of people.
But back to Hyundai.
And recalls.
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/03/19/hyundai-to-petition-nhtsa-over-2011-2012-sonata-hybrid-seatbelt/ (http://www.autoblog.com/2012/03/19/hyundai-to-petition-nhtsa-over-2011-2012-sonata-hybrid-seatbelt/)
On the surface, this doesn't sound bad. About 14K Sonata Hybrids involved over a two-year time span.
The problem is related to the rear seat center seat belt not meeting safety standards. Oops.
Hyundai is fixing the units unsold on dealer lots (about 1,600 cars). They are petitioning the gov't not to fix the 13K or so that are already sold because, "it believes the action is "inconsequential as it relates to motor vehicle safety."" Way to step up, Hyundai! [thumbsup]
I'm not going to get into this brand vs that, but:
If Hyundai and Kia would bring some of their other sportier models it keeps in country (South Korea) and exports to Singapore and Hong Kong to the states, it would be a lot more interesting.
Going to these countries over the past couple years and seeing what they get makes me understand why they are still not "loved" in the states...
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on March 19, 2012, 02:58:51 PM
If you liked the 2000GT (and who wouldn't??), check out the Scion FR-S when it hits showrooms this summer. I'm betting there will be something sporty and a little more upmarket with a Toyota badge on it sometime in the future.
I think the Subaru version of the car will top the Toyota/Scion version...
Quote from: zooom on March 19, 2012, 05:30:39 PM
I think the Subaru version of the car will top the Toyota/Scion version...
you just want to see his head turn red don't you? [laugh]
Quote from: kupcaker on March 18, 2012, 09:21:50 PM
http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicles/2012/equus/ (http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicles/2012/equus/)
JUST LOOK WHAT YOU STARTED!!!! ;D
Quote from: WarrenJ on March 19, 2012, 05:44:58 PM
JUST LOOK WHAT YOU STARTED!!!! ;D
:D
2012 Hyundai Equus at 2012 Toronto Auto Show - Canadian International AutoShow CIA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHf36OtR4pE&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
Quote from: zooom on March 19, 2012, 05:30:39 PM
I think the Subaru version of the car will top the Toyota/Scion version...
Performance wise, the cars are identical.
However, the Subie version will come in two grades and will be more expensive than the Scion version.
Oh, and I get to drive the FR-S in three weeks. :P
Genesis Coupe 2-Step launch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nC021RUmdg&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
;D
2013 Hyundai Genesis Coupe - 2012 Detroit Auto Show (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYay3bPFMGw&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
[evil]
Rhys Millen Hyundai Genesis Conquers Pikes Peak - Full Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfF55LIxZo4&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
Pure Evil [evil]
Supra (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7POZZt1T-iU&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
No matter how much better they are now-a-days, I don't think I'll ever be spending any money on a Hyundai. I just can't get past it being...well...a Hyundai.
In the past, I "use to" always say, no one drives a Hyundai because they want to...
No offense to the Hyundai owners here, but...to each their own.
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on March 19, 2012, 06:09:28 PM
Performance wise, the cars are identical.
However, the Subie version will come in two grades and will be more expensive than the Scion version.
Oh, and I get to drive the FR-S in three weeks. :P
The Scion will no doubt be the cheapest incarnation of the chassis...and initially, they will be mostly the same as far as power for the 1st model year introduction for sure....but since it is mostly a Subie spec motor, whom do you think will come out with a performance version faster? The STi guys or the TRD guys?...my money is on the BR-Z....the FR-S will probably do the standard Toyota bolt on supercharger that they have done with a few other models....
I got to see the pricing on the FR-S today. It will be revealed to the public tomorrow, so my lips are sealed.
However, I will give you this in regards to the pricing: ;D :o [thumbsup] [bow_down] [thumbsup] ;D
As far as a turbo or supercharger is concerned, it won't be a simple bolt on. The compression ratio of the motor is north of 12:1, so internal mods will be needed if you want to pressurize it. It will also require premium fuel.
Fuel economy is 22/30 for the manual and 25/34 for the automatic, per autoblog: http://www.autoblog.com/2012/03/21/subaru-brz-scion-fr-s-fuel-economy-numbers-bubble-up-on-epa-sit/ (http://www.autoblog.com/2012/03/21/subaru-brz-scion-fr-s-fuel-economy-numbers-bubble-up-on-epa-sit/)
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on March 21, 2012, 04:45:53 PM
I got to see the pricing on the FR-S today. It will be revealed to the public tomorrow, so my lips are sealed.
Around 24k?
Quote from: kupcaker on March 21, 2012, 05:44:41 PM
Around 24k?
I cannot confirm nor deny if that is in the ballpark.
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on March 21, 2012, 05:46:03 PM
I cannot confirm nor deny if that is in the ballpark.
I say it's damn close. :D
Quote from: kupcaker on March 21, 2012, 05:47:11 PM
I say it's damn close. :D
I think the USD strengthening against the yen lately has been a good thing.
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on March 21, 2012, 05:48:58 PM
I think the USD strengthening against the yen lately has been a good thing.
Tell me about it! It's finally sitting right around 80-81 yen to dollar. The past few months it's been ~75. When I got here in Mar '10, it was around 95-98!!!
Quote from: kupcaker on March 19, 2012, 08:51:39 PM
Pure Evil [evil]
Supra (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7POZZt1T-iU&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
:P
I'm sure it goes like stink. Still not fast enough to outrun ugly.
Quote from: Buckethead on March 21, 2012, 06:03:21 PM
:P
I'm sure it goes like stink. Still not fast enough to outrun ugly.
If everyone liked the same cars, we'd all be driving a red Chevy S-10. :D
$24,200 - manual
$25,200 - automatic?
[evil]
Quote from: 99Zulu on March 21, 2012, 08:35:45 PM
$24,200 - manual
$25,200 - automatic?
[evil]
For the Genesis Coupe?
Quote from: kopcacker on March 21, 2012, 06:14:15 PM
If everyone liked the same cars, we'd all be driving a red Chevy S-10. :D
Might not be ALL bad...
(http://www.draglist.com/photoimages/POD-0103/Kenny%20Wynn%20almost%20loses%20it%20during%20the%20burnout%20contest%20at%20710%20Dragstrip.%20Photo%20by%20Brian%20Wood.jpg)
Quote from: Buckethead on March 21, 2012, 08:48:44 PM
Might not be ALL bad...
(http://www.draglist.com/photoimages/POD-0103/Kenny%20Wynn%20almost%20loses%20it%20during%20the%20burnout%20contest%20at%20710%20Dragstrip.%20Photo%20by%20Brian%20Wood.jpg)
Meh [evil]
s10 wheelie(1).MPG (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcIdwNsERFo&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
who needs timing cones anyhow?
Quote from: 99Zulu on March 21, 2012, 09:12:57 PM
Scion fr-s?
I was just saying that the prices you quoted were close to those of a Genesis Coupe. This thread is about Hyundais, after all.
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on March 21, 2012, 09:24:33 PM
I was just saying that the prices you quoted were close to those of a Genesis Coupe. This thread is about Hyundais, after all.
Well it started that way and then you.... :D
Quote from: kopcacker on March 21, 2012, 09:29:39 PM
Well it started that way and then you.... :D
Said nice stuff about Hyundais. :P
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on March 18, 2012, 09:40:03 PM
Not sure what you're trying to say.
It's a really, really, nice, powerful, quiet car, actually.
Shouldn't oughta done that, Randimus. He's just a boy.
Quote from: 99Zulu on March 21, 2012, 08:35:45 PM
$24,200 - manual
$25,200 - automatic?
[evil]
The actual price for the FR-S is: $24,200 - manual / $25,300 automatic (plus destination & handling).
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on March 22, 2012, 06:25:26 AM
The actual price for the FR-S is: $24,200 - manual / $25,300 automatic (plus destination & handling).
Thats less than a GTI. Now I'm conflicted [evil]
Quote from: Le Pirate on March 22, 2012, 06:40:30 AM
Thats less than a GTI. Now I'm conflicted [evil]
And dealers can't add mark-ups. [thumbsup]
Buy dodge.... have nice day..
Randimus, tell'm to bring back the old supra, body and all.. or at least bring back the motor..
Quote from: cokey on March 22, 2012, 09:49:01 AM
Buy dodge.... have nice day..
Randimus, tell'm to bring back the old supra, body and all.. or at least bring back the motor..
No, the Celica Supra with the 5M-E engine. Updated fuel delivery.
Quote from: ducatiz on March 22, 2012, 09:54:54 AM
No, the Celica Supra with the 5M-E engine. Updated fuel delivery.
my first car. [evil]
Quote from: derby on March 22, 2012, 10:22:12 AM
my first car. [evil]
my first car was a '76 Celica ST (coupe), second was a '79 GT liftback. i wanted a Celica Supra so bad, they were the hory grair.
Quote from: cokey on March 22, 2012, 09:49:01 AM
Buy dodge.... have nice day..
You must really hate all of us [laugh]
Quote from: ducatiz on March 22, 2012, 09:54:54 AM
No, the Celica Supra with the 5M-E engine. Updated fuel delivery.
Yes, what he said. Please please please...
Lol.. that's what I buy.. love'm, easy to work on and maintenance ischeap..
No, they needed to bring the Supra engine from over here. 2.5l Twin-Turbo [drool]
The Toyota FT-86, GT-86, Scion FRS - Chris Harris On Cars (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=romf-G6CZ7g&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
I like the idea of the GT, but the Toyota "look" these days kind of dampens it a bit.
SUBARU BRZ FIRST IMPRESSION (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nb17h7j5JE&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
Quote from: kraptaker on March 22, 2012, 08:31:07 PM
SUBARU BRZ FIRST IMPRESSION (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nb17h7j5JE&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
ahhh boxerdesku...
Looks promising.
Did someone say Corolla [evil]
Nyce1s.com - Caneca Racing 7 Second Toyota Corolla @ NETS 2009!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGA-rU2ZIjI&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
Quote from: 99Zulu on March 19, 2012, 11:34:08 AM
But I am eagerly waiting for 2013 Toyota Avalon Hybrid. [thumbsup]
Teaser pic / spy photos (interesting camo work ;D )
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/03/27/next-toyota-avalon-spied-wearing-its-sleek-new-shape/ (http://www.autoblog.com/2012/03/27/next-toyota-avalon-spied-wearing-its-sleek-new-shape/)
2013 Subaru BRZ ( 2012 PGH Auto Show ) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouGV2Cc32lk&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)