The old board was a chapter of the Ducati Owners Club. I'm not sure why that matters to me, but is there a process for getting DMF accredited as part of the DOC?
Quote from: mstevens on May 06, 2008, 08:51:51 PM
The old board was a chapter of the Ducati Owners Club. I'm not sure why that matters to me, but is there a process for getting DMF accredited as part of the DOC?
+1 on the DOC affiliation. wt:
will ducati take the DOC status off VS?
Hope so.
Well the MOB was a DOC member so I'm sure as long as the corect people keep contacting them with membership info the'll recognize whomever.
Quote from: 748s on May 06, 2008, 08:55:01 PM
will ducati take the DOC status off VS?
Hope so.
VS didn't buy the DOC.
Quote from: derby on May 06, 2008, 09:19:30 PM
VS didn't buy the DOC.
and by that reasoning, couldn't the DML still technically be the DOC, and be us?
seems that way to me...
not DML=TOB, DML the DOC
Hadn't heard anything on this lately.
If, we do need/want to register the DMF as a new DOC it doesn't seem hard.
The leg work is creating the club. Technically we have our club already. We have our board, thanks to the DMF founders. We have our officers(Admin).
According to the Ducati site, once you have the club established. You just need to send them the following info.
QuoteAffiliate your club to the D.O.C.
Once a club is created, an e-mail to club@ducati.com with the request for affiliation along with the following information is all it takes:
* Club name
* Name of representative for Ducati and his or her contact information
* Address of the club headquarters
* List of members with first and last names, date of birth, e-mail, telephone, bike and registration year
* Website address
* Club activities, thoughts and plans
You will be contacted as soon as possible and informed if your D.O.C. affiliation request was accepted.
All we really need now is a member list (doesn't have to be everyone) I am sure we have plenty that would be willing to email one of the Amins their info to put together a member list. Then we just need a Ducati rep to sponsor the DMF and we send out the email.
We were waiting for members. That happened pretty quickly.
It'll happen. Little details to work out. But we've been looking at it already. It's risen on the 'list of crap to figure out' since the rush of members.
It would be a seperate club, not a DML replacement....we are new.
Chris
There are several ways to skin this cat.
The real power of DOCS comes at the more local level in my opinion. Look at Hoosier Hooligans and Coastal Ducati Club. They are DOC's. Each club knows it owns members locally, and they actually do DOC things together (Project Mugello and Daytona Bike Week). They can organize and get swag with Ducati.
As a multinational DOC, the DMF would still have a lot of value, even if it is just shear size. It could include members like me, that have too small a local base to have an active DOC. But, as a large club, it might have a harder time organizing a DMF DOC Ducati tent at race xyz.
I used the power of the DML DOC during world ducati week 2004 - I lived in France, but bought cheaper DOC event tickets from Jeff H through the DML. But, once I got to Misano, there was no DML representation to be found, but a lot of other national clubs were.
I would like to hear of anyone else's experience good or bad leveraging the DML as a DOC.
mitt
+1 to organizing the local D.O.C.'s it's a great way to meet other Duc riders in your own area. Since SoCO DOG's was organized I've met more Duc riders than I could've by chance in years. It also helps keep you in the loop locally so you can enjoy more events.
Not to be a jerk, but why does it matter if the DMF is a DOC?
Quote from: cyrus buelton on May 11, 2008, 05:16:16 PM
Not to be a jerk, but why does it matter if the DMF is a DOC?
DOC's get opportunities that other non-doc clubs do not (project mugello, cheap wdw tickets, etc). But, I think they also have to toe-the-line more than non-doc's. There are some clubs that choose not to be docs for more freedom.
mitt
Quote from: mitt on May 11, 2008, 05:36:45 PM
DOC's get opportunities that other non-doc clubs do not (project mugello, cheap wdw tickets, etc). But, I think they also have to toe-the-line more than non-doc's. There are some clubs that choose not to be docs for more freedom.
mitt
fair enough.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on May 11, 2008, 06:07:53 PM
fair enough.
I am sure there is more, but I do not know.
That is kind of why I asked if anyone had any real experience with the DML as a DOC.
mitt
Quote from: mitt on May 11, 2008, 06:10:57 PM
That is kind of why I asked if anyone had any real experience with the DML as a DOC.
Based upon what I personally have seen, the only benefit was to the actual president and VP.
Again, that is just what I have seen and my thoughts. I am not going to talk anymore about this because I don't want to piss people off or start an argument.
Hmmm.
I thought there were other legal or quasi-legal considerations to official sponsorship.
For instance, use of trademarked Ducati logos on DMF swag.
But mine isn't a well informed view.
Course you would think a company would be all over you voluntarily plastering their logo on your shite. But I have heard some weirdness regarding that type of thing.
from my limited understanding, I think anyone can start a DOC if you adhere to their formation of the group. It doesn't seem too difficult.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on May 11, 2008, 06:17:33 PM
Based upon what I personally have seen, the only benefit was to the actual president and VP.
Ding, Ding, Ding.
No benefit to the membership unless the board owners decide to raffle or give away the WDW tickets by lottery.
DESMO has DOC status. DNA gives us stuff to raffle at the Christmas party and bar bq, discounts to some events and other support. AFIAK, they have never interfered with us in any way. I see it as win win.
DOC is on the list of affiliations that would qualify me for 10% off my moto insurance. That alone is worth it.
Quote from: howie on May 11, 2008, 08:10:38 PM
DESMO has DOC status. DNA gives us stuff to raffle at the Christmas party and bar bq, discounts to some events and other support.
If that is true, did the DML ever receive stuff to raffle off? If so, when was this done? I don't recall anything being raffled, except for some items donated to titanium members from vendors.
so some people want us to do it and some will say that it benefis one or two of us only.
couple ways to view this one:
anyone could have gotten off their butts and organized the group of mods to do this site. Maybe the guys who did should be rewarded with something since it's not going to be money that keeps us here. If one admin pays for himself to go to Italy because a piece of paper allows for an invite, is that a good or bad thing? (serious question).
We see what Ducati throws our way and have this discussion then.
We decide to do nothing because of some people who will be bitter with whatever a DOC means they personally aren't getting. That way nobody gets anything. all happy then?
personal non-admin view: people on the negative side of the view should just get some friends together and start a DOC. Then they can individually get any benefits. Is there ANY good reason they haven't done that already?
continue discussing:
Quote from: Dan on May 12, 2008, 03:27:39 AM
DOC is on the list of affiliations that would qualify me for 10% off my moto insurance. That alone is worth it.
I've been asked about club affliation on insurance apps before. I'll take 10% off a $1300 premium any day. (Yeah...insurance is ridiculous here) [bang]
If there are other benefits that apply strictly to the executive I say good on them. They work a lot harder than I do.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on May 12, 2008, 05:31:30 AM
If that is true, did the DML ever receive stuff to raffle off? If so, when was this done? I don't recall anything being raffled, except for some items donated to titanium members from vendors.
Not that I know of. I also should have used past tense, has given. None of the items were big ticket items, just good will, ie. posters, T shirts. Certainly not a reason to go DOC.
Quote from: Statler on May 12, 2008, 06:05:35 AM
so some people want us to do it and some will say that it benefis one or two of us only.
couple ways to view this one:
anyone could have gotten off their butts and organized the group of mods to do this site. Maybe the guys who did should be rewarded with something since it's not going to be money that keeps us here. If one admin pays for himself to go to Italy because a piece of paper allows for an invite, is that a good or bad thing? (serious question).
I have no problem with it.
We see what Ducati throws our way and have this discussion then.
Maybe. We certainly should not make a decision until the facts are in
We decide to do nothing because of some people who will be bitter with whatever a DOC means they personally aren't getting. That way nobody gets anything. all happy then?
No. All will never be happy. An admin gets something that I don't? I am happy with that. If you take into the admin has to pay transportation and use time off from work to represent us, the fringe seems to me not as good anyway
personal non-admin view: people on the negative side of the view should just get some friends together and start a DOC. Then they can individually get any benefits. Is there ANY good reason they haven't done that already?
continue discussing:
Quote from: cyrus buelton on May 12, 2008, 05:31:30 AM
If that is true, did the DML ever receive stuff to raffle off? If so, when was this done? I don't recall anything being raffled, except for some items donated to titanium members from vendors.
I think like they said earlier, the DOC benefits the local clubs much more then the super huge international clubs. We (Ducati MOB) have got some simple stuff from Ducati, patches pins etc, I hear we have more swag that is currently held up at Tigre's house though :D
I've been thinking about this one and have a few thoughts....
First, if we do a DOC, it can either be an opt in or an opt out, ie: no members listed unless they opt in affirmatively, or there's an opt out way where members names of DMF won't be included if they opt out. I certainly don't want to be using somebody's name on a DOC that I am involved with at the top without their approval and happiness.
Also, I will speak with Ducati about organizing each local baord as a DOC under a DMF umbrella of sorts. Maybe we can have a dozen DOCs where locals can vote thier own president etc.
just thinking out loud here.
One last thing... There are some amazing European groups doing some great things with monsters. They are organized enough that many don't come here as there's no need. A few shared bottles of wine might bea great opportunity to network and truly get some world-wide knowledge in here.
Quote from: Statler on May 12, 2008, 03:14:13 PM
Also, I will speak with Ducati about organizing each local baord as a DOC under a DMF umbrella of sorts. Maybe we can have a dozen DOCs where locals can vote thier own president etc.
This sounds like a good plan. Local Chapters of the DMF.
-Puts the organizational work at the local level.
Which means it only happens if the local group A. Has the interest B. Makes the effort.
It takes an extra admin load off you guys already volunteering time and effort.
And it sends any swag to the local area "prez", so it's not having to be re-mailed out all over hells half acre.
-Puts the the members of each DOC on a personal level.
-Ends any of this who gets what BS.
.02 from MD to you.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on May 11, 2008, 06:17:33 PM
I am not going to talk anymore about this because I don't want to piss people off or start an argument.
Who are you and what have you done with cyrus? [laugh] [laugh]
Seriously, the biggest benny (IMO) is the annual gathering in Bologna for the Pres and VP. But even then, it's not like they pay your way.
Beyond that, it's slightly better access to the usual swag that Ducati doles out to everyone anyway.
What were the benefits to the president and the VP?
Quote from: Augustus on May 13, 2008, 07:00:39 PM
What were the benefits to the president and the VP?
They get an invite to attend WDW at their own expense.
Quote from: ducpainter on May 13, 2008, 07:03:21 PM
They get an invite to attend WDW at their own expense.
yup... the invitation events are cool, but by no means cheap.