Hi all,
Just wondering what chains and sprockets people are using these days?
I'm due for some new ones.
Cheers.
Got my chains on Ebay (DID) and the sprockets from the Chain Gang in QLD1 [thumbsup]
I too get my sprockets from 'The Chain Gang' good aussie steel made by Aussie's and the quality is right up there.
Mmick
Top quality chain, supersprox rear and aftermarket front. Picked them all up from the supersprox website for cheaper than just the chain alone retails locally.
I'm all for local business but I don't have any money trees :/
I get my chains and sprockets from here:
http://www.sprocketcenter.com/ (http://www.sprocketcenter.com/)
I opted for a "quick change" set up which cost a bit more to start with but gives ultimate versatility thereafter.
Prices are hard to beat even with freight!
Hmm, been looking at the chain gang stuff. Might give them a crack.
AFAM front / Supersprox Stealth Rear
D.I.D. 520ERV3 chain
PS
bought from http://www.sprocketcenter.com (http://www.sprocketcenter.com) ........ highly recommend it
they retail the quick change carriers for less than i buy them for wholesale from a usa supplier.
Wow. Just did the sums and the sprocket centre is significantly cheaper. Like the whole package is less than the price of just the chain from the chain gang.
Any ideas on what they charge for shipping?
What size front and rear sprockets are you going to run Rob?
GK
Hi GK,
I've always run a 14 front and a standard 41 rear.
Excuse my ignorance but what is a "quick change carrier"? Any ideas?
Quote from: ducmeister on April 07, 2012, 04:12:35 AM
Excuse my ignorance but what is a "quick change carrier"? Any ideas?
AFAIK it is more relevant for a SSSA bike. The carrier is fixed to the hub, the sprocket fixes to the carrier - with the carrier you can change the sprocket easier (or so the theory goes), as the carrier stays in place. Also should make subsequent changes cheaper as you can re-use the carrier and buy only the replacement 'quick change' sprocket.
But I don't believe you need to bother with any of that for your M900.
Quote from: ducmeister on April 07, 2012, 04:12:35 AM
Hi GK,
I've always run a 14 front and a standard 41 rear.
Excuse my ignorance but what is a "quick change carrier"? Any ideas?
sorry, misleading thread jack. the quick change carrier is for the sss bikes, where the carrier forms the centre part of the original sprocket and the outer toothed part is separate.
back on topic: 14/41 is very short for a close ratio gearbox.
Ok, make that 14/38. (mental note: count before opening mouth next time) ;D
Quote from: brad black on April 08, 2012, 12:52:25 AM
sorry, misleading thread jack. the quick change carrier is for the sss bikes, where the carrier forms the centre part of the original sprocket and the outer toothed part is separate.
back on topic: 14/41 is very short for a close ratio gearbox.
I have a 40 rear, but still haven't counted the front yet. Loving the close ratio box, but hating the tall gearing at take offs.
Thinking of going a bigger rear by a tooth or two. Thoughts?
GK
depends on how you ride i guess. i run 15/43 on the wide ratio box bikes, but that gives a similar top gear ratio to 15/39 on a close ratio box.
As always the right tool makes life easier.
http://www.gearingcommander.com/ (http://www.gearingcommander.com/)
Pick your make & model and play away. I used to run 14/41 but now run 15/43 on my S2R 800 which gives me good acceleration without too high a rev at cruising speed. Also improves wear as the odd No. Of links front and rear sprocket means less same tooth contact. You can spend hours trialing different set ups. Hope this helps :-)
Quote from: MonsterDorf on April 11, 2012, 05:02:10 AM
As always the right tool makes life easier.
http://www.gearingcommander.com/ (http://www.gearingcommander.com/)
Pick your make & model and play away. I used to run 14/41 but now run 15/43 on my S2R 800 which gives me good acceleration without too high a rev at cruising speed. Also improves wear as the odd No. Of links front and rear sprocket means less same tooth contact. You can spend hours trialing different set ups. Hope this helps :-)
You good Sir are a champion!
Great tool indeed!
Many thanks!
GK
Ok so now I'm even more interested. With a 14/38 set up my bike is doing just a smidge under 4000 rpm at 100 kph indicated. How does that compare with others?
Also it's always been my understanding that a 14 tooth front sprocket was a fairly standard mod. Thoughts?
Interesting thread!
I have a 14 tooth renthal sprocket coming for the 620.. Need it around town, but may swap back to the 15 when I go on longer trips..
Thanks for that link above! awesome stuff :D
here's mine - http://www.bikeboy.org/ducgearing.html (http://www.bikeboy.org/ducgearing.html) see table at bottom.
14 tooth front is a slightly misunderstood mod at times, but basically it's the cheapest way of changing the gearing as a larger rear for an equivalent change usually requires a new chain as well. it's also a way to get around low speed running issues and often poor baseline set up it seems.
some models are well geared ex factory too. that point is lost on those who fit a 14 tooth front because the internet says you have to.
I went back to 15/43 after trying 14/38. I don't do much city riding so it's better for me. Didn't really see much benefit in the 14 front when it was on, it was still painful to ride around town. Currently sits on about 4500 rpm at 100kph.
Quote from: brad black on April 12, 2012, 07:59:11 AM
here's mine - http://www.bikeboy.org/ducgearing.html (http://www.bikeboy.org/ducgearing.html) see table at bottom.
14 tooth front is a slightly misunderstood mod at times, but basically it's the cheapest way of changing the gearing as a larger rear for an equivalent change usually requires a new chain as well. it's also a way to get around low speed running issues and often poor baseline set up it seems.
some models are well geared ex factory too. that point is lost on those who fit a 14 tooth front because the internet says you have to.
Great info Brad. It's looking more and more like I have no idea what I'm talking about or even what gear I have on my bike so it's great to have access to info like this to set people like me right.
So now for my next questions. My '02 model speedo uses a pick up somewhere in the gearbox, right? But previous models were driven from the front wheel, right? So changes to the sprocket ratios on my bike will alter the accuracy of the speedo but not so on earlier bikes?
Quote from: heatherp on April 12, 2012, 08:02:18 AM
I went back to 15/43 after trying 14/38. I don't do much city riding so it's better for me. Didn't really see much benefit in the 14 front when it was on, it was still painful to ride around town. Currently sits on about 4500 rpm at 100kph.
Hi Heather. 4500 rpm at 100 kph seems high to me. Is that standard for your bike? What year is it?
I was talking to GK today and he says that his '01 model is revving closer to 3500 rpm at 100 kph. Is there really this much difference between models?
Cheers.
Quote from: ducmeister on April 14, 2012, 03:57:33 AM
Hi Heather. 4500 rpm at 100 kph seems high to me. Is that standard for your bike? What year is it?
I was talking to GK today and he says that his '01 model is revving closer to 3500 rpm at 100 kph. Is there really this much difference between models?
Cheers.
Hi Rob
I've got the '05 1000s model. It may be a little lower that that but not 3500rpm. My memory may not be working properly. [roll] I have no idea what's standard for my bike. G is the only other person I know with one of these but I don't know the stats for his bike. Time to go for another ride and take note I guess.
Not sure about the '02 Duc, but my 05 has the speedo pickup on the rear disc! So sprockets changes wont affect the speedo!! [thumbsup] [thumbsup]
Quote from: heatherp on April 14, 2012, 06:59:21 AM
Hi Rob
I've got the '05 1000s model. It may be a little lower that that but not 3500rpm. My memory may not be working properly. [roll] I have no idea what's standard for my bike. G is the only other person I know with one of these but I don't know the stats for his bike. Time to go for another ride and take note I guess.
I have a 1000ie too and don't even use 6th gear unless doing 120kms+ otherwise it lugs. Does your sprocket change help you use top gear? I can do a test to see what I revs I am doing at 100 with standard gearing if you need it.
Quote from: dragonworld on April 14, 2012, 08:58:28 AM
Not sure about the '02 Duc, but my 05 has the speedo pickup on the rear disc! So sprockets changes wont affect the speedo!! [thumbsup] [thumbsup]
Yes, looks like mine is the same. Good in that it's not connected to the gearbox.
Quote from: Twizted on April 14, 2012, 08:30:53 PM
I have a 1000ie too and don't even use 6th gear unless doing 120kms+ otherwise it lugs. Does your sprocket change help you use top gear? I can do a test to see what I revs I am doing at 100 with standard gearing if you need it.
That's why I changed back to 15/43. I use 6th gear all the time on the highway now.
Counted the teeth on the front sprocket. As suspected, the number was 15.
This explains the 3,500 rpm at 100 kmph, and the doughy take offs. The gearing is a tad too high.
This will not do, a 14 tooth must be sourced pronto, pronto!
Perhaps tomorrow, if Ducati City have one cheap enough!
GK
Having 2nd thoughts about going 14t on mine, got a brand new renthal 14t sprocket if you're interested GK?
Hi Kyle,
Just heading off to bed now (after a few hours nap on the couch) and saw a text from my bro that you'd posted. Sorry I only got to it reply to it now.
Where are you located? How much?
Cheers,
GK
Quote from: GK on April 22, 2012, 07:25:04 AM
Hi Kyle,
Just heading off to bed now (after a few hours nap on the couch) and saw a text from my bro that you'd posted. Sorry I only got to it reply to it now.
Where are you located? How much?
Cheers,
GK
Bought it here: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/251034114483?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_4487wt_1163 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/251034114483?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_4487wt_1163)
Due here in a couple of days!
Just checked my order, Paid $28.50 pounds for it. Would just be happy to get my money back I think :)
Just checked the link, and the sprocket listing doesn't mention it being compatible for a 900.
What bike have you got Kyle?
GK
02 620 mate :)
Interesting! Ducati City didn't currently have any 14t stock, saying that the computer lists the part as "no longer available".
Sourced an aftermarket item for $50 from Metro Motorcycles.
All good!
GK
Well all's not good!
Sprocket was the wrong pitch, but also the wrong offset. It'll be returned tomorrow.
We could have got another sprocket, this time for a Monster 400, but it'll still need to be shimmed up, as it's the wrong thickness. We could have gone this route, but the sprocket itself was $20 dearer than the first, and we were going to need another 3 fixing plates at about $9 each.
Brad Black gave me the AFAM code for the sprocket I need, so I called the AFAM distributor (Ron Angel Wholesale), who said they don't bring the 14t into the country much.
It seems that the 14t on the 2000-2001 models, that have the adjustable rear ride height on the whishbone, may chew out the swingarm if the rear height is jacked. Perhaps that's why they're not listed in the Ducati system anymore.
My ride height is stock, so the 14t won't be an issue.
So back to the sprocket search: Now having the code, I called Neil at City Ducati who is going to call AFAM tomorrow to see if he can get me one shipped in.
The RRP as told by the lady at Ron Angel is $59.
If Neil can't get me one, I'll probably take the 400 sprocket and get it machined somewhere so I don't have to use the shims. I could also just go the shimming option, but I'd much rather have the sprocket fitting up you beaut!
I'll keep you posted.
GK
Update!
Neil from Ducati City had success today. He's ordered the sprocket, so all I've got to do now is wait, a number of weeks until he calls to say it's in!
GK
[popcorn] [popcorn] ;D
Mmick