I like it!
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2012-ferrari-ff-official-photos-and-info-ferrari-ff-news (http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2012-ferrari-ff-official-photos-and-info-ferrari-ff-news)
linky NFG..
(http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/images/404-sign.png)
calm down,fixed now.
oh they got the name almost right....could just call it The Scag for short
I'd like it if it wasn't a Ferrari. That and I've seen/read that the AWD system in it sucks. Pretty cool technology that drives the wheels though.
Quote from: TJR178 on June 02, 2012, 04:27:58 AM
That and I've seen/read that the AWD system in it sucks.
If a wealthy benefactor was to gift me one..... its a suckitude I'm pretty sure I could tolerate without too much bother ;D
nah, this looks better IMO.
(http://files.porsche.com/filestore.aspx/normal.jpg?pool=multimedia&type=galleryimage&id=970-g1-tus-gallery-exterior-05&lang=none&filetype=normal&version=41716365-c125-4743-83f7-9dd739690aa1)
I wonder when the guys on Top Gear will try to wedge a sofa into it. ;D
Wow............"shooting brake"..................haven't heard that term since about 1964
Top Gear already reviewed it and talked a lot of shit about it. It looks better than the bloated Porsche IMO but it's still pretty ugly, give me a 458 Italia instead please.
Looks too much like this
(http://www.ridelust.com/wp-content/uploads/ambig_gay_penis_mobile.jpg)
The Ambiguously Gay Duo!
That was a great one.
Breaking news.....from 2011.
Saw one at the Prague airport last week- looks good in matte grey:
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h286/CPrezioso/photo-1.jpg)
I don't get the desire by these brands to dilute their label.
I mean... Porsche is a sport car company... why would you make an SUV or a family sedan? The net result is that it will just turn you into another Infiniti ...
I guess it makes financial sense if the cars are selling.. A lot of schmucks out there who just want a brand name.
If you have that much money and want a high end sedan, buy a Maserati.
Enzo never wanted to build street cars in the first place- they were a way of financing his race teams. His passion in the company was on the track....he could probably care less about what they put on the street if it won him GP's.
Fiat owns Ferrari, Maserati, Alfa, Lancia, Chrysler. Maserati was the first one to go:
(http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/07/Chrysler_TC_Ad.jpg)
Quote from: stateprez on June 03, 2012, 11:24:19 AM
Enzo never wanted to build street cars in the first place- they were a way of financing his race teams. His passion in the company was on the track....he could probably care less about what they put on the street if it won him GP's.
Fiat owns Ferrari, Maserati, Alfa, Lancia, Chrysler. Maserati was the first one to go:
(http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/07/Chrysler_TC_Ad.jpg)
To go?
Chrysler has a history of coach built cars with Italian marques, nothing new..
(http://www.curbsideclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Ghia-Chrysler-Special-1954-G1.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/TFDLSHhzMuI/AAAAAAADItk/iGsaXEZ4bhA/s800/1967-Ghia-450-SS-Spyder-0.jpg)
Quote from: ducatiz on June 03, 2012, 11:44:38 AM
To go?
Chrysler has a history of coach built cars with Italian marques, nothing new..
Coachbuilding is one thing, stamping LeBaron fenders in Italy then slapping a trident on them is another.
I saw a Biturbo in Autotrader a few years ago for $2500.
ah, i gotcha.. lol.. i thought those were in fact built in italy.. that was part of their allure
Quote from: ducatiz on June 03, 2012, 11:59:19 AM
ah, i gotcha.. lol.. i thought those were in fact built in italy.. that was part of their allure
They were. Modified Chrysler body, modified Chrysler engine. Hardly worthy of a trident in my opinion.
QuoteLee Iacocca was a proponent of the new model "to change the way the world looked at Chrysler" and to create a new image for the automaker. It was expected to achieve annual sales between 5,000 to 10,000 units.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_TC_by_Maserati (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_TC_by_Maserati)
Quote from: stateprez on June 03, 2012, 11:24:19 AM
Fiat owns Ferrari, Maserati, Alfa, Lancia, Chrysler. Maserati was the first one to go:
(http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/07/Chrysler_TC_Ad.jpg)
just for clarification, the chrysler tc predates fiat ownership of maserati.
Quote from: ducatiz on June 03, 2012, 11:16:39 AMI don't get the desire by these brands to dilute their label.
Nope, me either :-\
(http://www.thecarbonfiberjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/2011-Ducati-Diavel-Carbon-Fiber-Side.jpg)
Quote from: ducatiz on June 03, 2012, 11:16:39 AMI guess it makes financial sense if the cars merchandise are selling.. A lot of schmucks out there who just want a brand name.
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^
Blasphemer!!
Burn him!!!
It took only 20 posts to hit the nail right on the head.
I work for a Porsche dealer, and while the Cayenne and Panamera might be financial windfalls for the company they aren't real Porsches and they did dilute the brand.
Part of the saving grace of being owned by a bigger company is you can specialize.
Ferrari in Fiats care and Lamborghini/ Bugatti in VW care.
Now let's hope that VW/Audi leaves the Ducati brand to what it's best at.
And yes I know VW owns Porsche, kind of, but there's so much legal stuff going on behind the scenes that they haven't been able to purge the interlopers from the sports car line, yet...
jimi
Look what diluting a brand would get you...
(http://www.diseno-art.com/images/Ducati_MonsterM900.jpg)
Quote from: Goat_Herder on June 04, 2012, 01:37:18 PM
Look what diluting a brand would get you...
(http://www.diseno-art.com/images/Ducati_MonsterM900.jpg)
A sport bike from a sport bike company??
More like this:
(http://images.freshnessmag.com/wp-content/uploads//2011/11/ducati-1199-panigale-01.jpg)
from the company that made this:
(http://static.blogo.it/ecoblog/bicicletta-elettrica-a-pedalata-assistita-ducati-cucciolo-by-italwin/ducati_cucciolo_italwin.jpg)
Old Mr Yamaha San is probably turning in his grave wondering how his brand got diluted from this...
(http://s3images.pianoshop.co.uk/u0014384_0001_orig.jpg)
to this....
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__cS8IGDh_Nw/TINUafEPHyI/AAAAAAAABT0/yz6rG4aD8w4/s1600/2010-yamaha-v-max-vmx17-image.jpg)
Wait a minute.... isnt that a Diavel? ??? [laugh]
Quote from: ungeheuer on June 04, 2012, 07:50:50 PM
Old Mr Yamaha San is probably turning in his grave wondering how his brand got diluted from this...
(http://s3images.pianoshop.co.uk/u0014384_0001_orig.jpg)
to this....
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__cS8IGDh_Nw/TINUafEPHyI/AAAAAAAABT0/yz6rG4aD8w4/s1600/2010-yamaha-v-max-vmx17-image.jpg)
Wait a minute.... isnt that a Diavel? ??? [laugh]
LOL
Quote from: ungeheuer on June 03, 2012, 08:10:05 PM
Nope, me either :-\
(http://www.thecarbonfiberjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/2011-Ducati-Diavel-Carbon-Fiber-Side.jpg) (http://d26ya5yqg8yyvs.cloudfront.net/nod.gif)
Modern version of the Apollo?
If it takes a few Cayennes on the road to keep them building 911s, then I'll allow it.
Same with the others.
except that ugly Ducati Rune...that they can do away with [laugh]
BTW--I've seen the FF in person. As much as I wanted to hate it...um...I don't. I'll never be able to afford one, but I approve. I'd rather have a 599, but I wouldn't kick the FF out of my garage.
Surely they sell enough 911's, Caymans and Boxsters without the need to try and make a four door SUV look like a Porsche 911 or a four door saloon look like Porsche 911?? ???
With the engineering ability and reliability and proven technology of this brand why do they all have to look....well kinda the same. Why not employ a fresh new design and create something legendary with the Porsche badge on it without compromising the looks.
Would people not buy it?
While the same goes for the Ferrari FF it's not trying to compete in the X5 market and does look quite good IMO.