Started looking at a replacement for my aging Ranger p/u truck. Still runs great, still gonna keep it (till the 2.3L dies), but I want something more.
I've looked at the Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec-V and it seems like it would fit the bill, but w/Nissan introducing a new Sentra for 2013, none of the dealerships have the 'hot-rod' Sentra even available for a test-scoot.
200HP, 6-speed, limited-slip diff, and ~$20K sticker.
I've also looked at the Honda Civic-Si which is a few grand pricier, but like any Honda, I'm going to have to rev the jeebus-crap-ness out of the tach before the cage gets fun. Which, IMO, is not fun.
200HP, 6-speed, and ~$23K sticker.
Also looking on the more frugal side (mpg's, not sticker $), I've priced out the VW Jetta TDI. It's 140hp but 250ft/lbs and much better on fuel. The Jetta TDI's also seem to be selling better in my neck of the woods (ABQ, NM).
I'd like to have the following:
small-to medium sized 4-door car
At the minimum: Peppy to sporty
Creature comforts (a/c, p/l, p/w, STICK-SHIFT (no flappy-paddle non-sense), cruise, etc)
If new, sticker no higher than $23K
If used, then proportionally lower due to age
My don't care about list:
Sat-Nav
11tyB watt stereo
sunroof
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Ok, so what have y'all got that I've not yet considered?
On your list, I'd vote TDI-they chip well.
Have you checked out the Acura line? Bit more sporty than Honda, afaik.
Any interest in a v6 'stang? I was really impressed with the one I drove, an I'm not normally a huge mustang fan. Incredible bang for the buck, an excellent fuel economy.
Quote from: Dwead Piwate Woberts on June 03, 2012, 08:17:43 PM
On your list, I'd vote TDI-they chip well.
Have you checked out the Acura line? Bit more sporty than Honda, afaik.
+1
Quote from: swampduc on June 03, 2012, 08:52:14 PM
Any interest in a v6 'stang? I was really impressed with the one I drove, an I'm not normally a huge mustang fan. Incredible bang for the buck, an excellent fuel economy.
Not really... I grew up in Detroit building V8's for drag-racing Stang's (& other Fords). I couldn't buy a V6 Mustang and respect myself. Best if I just stick to Ducati's & a reasonable cage for transporting my butt around.
Quote from: Duck-Stew on June 03, 2012, 08:56:53 PM
Not really... I grew up in Detroit building V8's for drag-racing Stang's (& other Fords). I couldn't buy a V6 Mustang and respect myself. Best if I just stick to Ducati's & a reasonable cage for transporting my butt around.
Understandable. If you get a chance, though, drive one. I'd bet you'd enjoy it way more than a Civic Si. Or an Acura, for that matter.
Good luck with your search!
My vote would have to lean towards the TDI.
I've got over 100k on my Golf now and it's still fun and no real issues to date.
Mazdaspeed 3...VW GTI ?
If you put miles on, VW TDI, not so many miles, then go for the GTI. The standard Golf ain't bad either.
Quote from: howie on June 04, 2012, 03:57:35 AM
If you put miles on, VW TDI, not so many miles, then go for the GTI. The standard Golf ain't bad either.
Hmmm... [evil] G [evil] T [evil] I [evil]
Quote from: Duck-Stew on June 04, 2012, 05:38:20 AM
Hmmm... [evil] G [evil] T [evil] I [evil]
if you drive it sanely, it will get good fuel economy too
big if, of course [laugh]
We drove home a new TDI jetta about 3 weeks ago. It's my wife's car, but I'm a pretty big fan. Didn't know if I'd like new jettas, but it ain't too shabby.
140hp doesn't sound like much, but it'll get up and around people on the highway...no problem.
If you want a driver though, go with the Golf. Drives better IMO. Or the GLI (jetta GTI). I looked at one while my wife was deciding what she wanted...I would of went GLI if it were me, but she wanted the TDI mileage. The GLI has all the good bits of the Jettas, plus all the good bits of the GTI/Golf (like The independent rear suspension, bigger brakes, etc...)
TDI, or GLI will be right at the top of your price range. A regular golf will be at the lower to middle end. I LOVE MY RABBIT (golf). I would suggest one to anybody.
That being said, when I start looking for a new car...
I'm going old school: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_2002tii (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_2002tii)
of course, at this point I have a reliable car that is paid off (the rabbit), that'll get me to school, and I walk to work.
Re:2002 BMW Tii,they handle well but are underpowered compared to today's cars.A WRX will drive circles around it.
Quote from: Ducatamount on June 04, 2012, 07:22:29 AM
Re:2002 BMW Tii,they handle well but are underpowered compared to today's cars.A WRX will drive circles around it.
http://jalopnik.com/5517763/engine-swap-of-the-day-e30-m3-s14-%252B-bmw-2002 (http://jalopnik.com/5517763/engine-swap-of-the-day-e30-m3-s14-%252B-bmw-2002)
Recently had the same "problem".
Picked up an 04 BMW 330i with a ZHP performance package.
235 HP with a six speed.
Wife likes it because it looks nice, rides nice, and has enough room for the kid out back.
I like it because it is reasonably quick (0-60 < 6 sec) and handles well (50/50 balance and rwd).
And the later E46's seem to be more sorted and have less bugs/problems then the newer styles.
They run between 10 and 18k depending on milage/condition.
Have you thought about a Subaru WRX?
You can get one a couple years old for around $20K, they have plenty of pep without revving them to the moon like a Honda, come almost exclusively in manual, and get decent mileage (mid 20's or higher if you're nice).
Although I'm slightly partial as I'm on my 3rd one. Besides a bad O2 sensor I never had trouble with any of them and I've put about a combined 80k miles on the three I owned.
If you don't want to modify it a lot an '08 is fine but if you want to mod stay away from the '08 and get a '09+.
Later, Doug
My sister is considering the WRX and has loved the ones she's driven. They really hold their value, though, so used ones aren't a cheap proposition.
Doug, just curious, if you've had no problems, why have you been through 3? 80k isn't that many total miles.
Quote from: swampduc on June 04, 2012, 08:36:04 AM
Doug, just curious, if you've had no problems, why have you been through 3? 80k isn't that many total miles.
I totaled the first one (a '03 with 90K miles) , waited about a year or so and bought a '08 hatch. I put about 50K on the '08 but always wanted more power so I traded back to a '05 STi.
I tried to keep the '08 as long as I could but my mind always kept whispering "STi....STi...STi..."
Later, Doug
Quote from: Duck-Stew on June 04, 2012, 05:38:20 AM
Hmmm... [evil] G [evil] T [evil] I [evil]
picked up a 2011 brand new, and I love it. haven't regretted it for a second. was 24,750 OTD, which isn't too bad. if you look at used ones, get above the 2010. the 2010's have the TPS sensors that mount on the wheel/ in the tire. the 2011 and up have the TPS system stripped down and running off the wheel speed sensors. makes the winter tires/wheels thing much cheaper to do, and just easier to deal with tires in general...
it's the most useful, and most fun-to-drive car i've ever experienced. and the interior quality is unreal, second to none... plus.. those plaid seats! <3 <3
also, first three years of maintenance are free, and warranty is great.
top-mount, upside down oil filter makes oil changes the simplest thing in the world too.
stock wheels (18") are heavy as shit, but look SICK.
if you were in my area, i'd say come over for a test drive.
i went with the six speed, the DSG auto is a significantly costly option.
i'll also add that i average right around 28mpg between city and highway driving. i commute with it roughly 10 miles to and from work each day, and make a 160 mile round trip on highway roughly once a month. takes premium only though (93+ octane)
Quote from: Ducatamount on June 04, 2012, 07:22:29 AM
Re:2002 BMW Tii,they handle well but are underpowered compared to today's cars.A WRX will drive circles around it.
Oh...I fully understand that it isn't as powerful as modern cars, but I simply love that era of automobiles! Plus wringing it out is half the fun. Sometimes I think driving at the edge of what is possible in the car is more fun that driving a car that is fully capable of going past the edge of what is possible for the driver.
I'm also considering an early Mini Cooper (from the 60's) but my wife is wholy convinced that I'll get run over driving one of those in Texas [laugh]
I also have a 65 VW beetle. I'm slowly rebuilding from the ground up, completely back to original. Except, I keep having this thought about replacing the motor with a Ducati mill...out of say, a wrecked 1098 that I know of [evil], silly I know, but it's got a lot more HP than the 40 horse original [laugh]
Back to the original post though...a scoobies are nice, the boss has a forester that is pretty cool...but they all seem to be very thirsty for the class they fit into. Plus, I like the all wheel drive, but here in Texas, where we only snow a couple days of the year, it seems to be over kill. Though...it can be a lot of fun. But also expensive.
BTW---my 07 VW Rabbit has 130K on the odometer. Flawless operation.
I would recommend test driving a Mazda 3.
And then for the heck of it, test drive the CX-5.
BC.
Quote from: Bladecutter on June 04, 2012, 02:18:56 PM
I would recommend test driving a Mazda 3.
And then for the heck of it, test drive the CX-5.
BC.
I've been impressed with the new mazdas I've test driven. I have no knowledge of long term quality/reliability, though. Someone else around here might...
Quote from: Le Pirate on June 04, 2012, 04:10:13 PM
I've been impressed with the new mazdas I've test driven. I have no knowledge of long term quality/reliability, though. Someone else around here might...
I put 250,000 on the '06 3 I had. Still ran and rode great.
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/21488388.jpg)
Definately test drive a Mazda 3 and Speed3. Sticker on a new speed3 is bit above your max, but you should be able to find a decent used or certified pre-owned.
I have had my 3 (5 spd, 4 door) for 18 months and never regret not getting something else. I test drove a lot a cars in the price range you are looking before I chose the 3. Gas mileage is good, I average about 28 commuting (mix of city/highway) and it easily gets 32-34 on longer highway trips. Only thing B really misses is cruise control. I never use it, so it wasn't one of my must haves.
Yeah, the VW are nice to drive just a bit too $$$.
Fiat 500 Abarth? Don't laugh until you've driven one.
Either that or a tdi is my vote
Quote from: El Matador on June 04, 2012, 06:49:23 PM
Fiat 500 Abarth? Don't laugh until you've driven one.
I laugh every time I remember this one:
(http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1021/543567748_36b3b258ce.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigiain/543567748/)
Clockwork Bambino (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigiain/543567748/#) by bigiain (http://www.flickr.com/people/bigiain/), on Flickr
my fast likes to drive with the windows down... DOWN....
Quote from: El Matador on June 04, 2012, 06:49:23 PM
Fiat 500 Abarth? Don't laugh until you've driven one.
I drove the Abarth for the first time last night.
Home from the Dealership, that is. ;D
My gf traded in her Fiat 500 Sport for the Abarth, and I can't properly describe her feelings on the car, so I'm not going to try.
(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/5807/dsc01078ra.jpg)
There it is next to my RX-8, taken in her office parking lot while on my lunch break.
No laughing occurred before or after the drive, by me, anyway.
Abarth is serious business.
Well, that is, up until the point that she named it Mighty Mouse.
Now its just hysterical.
Such an appropriate name, in my opinion.
BC.
I'm biased because of my car but Acura TL-S (2007-2008) 6MT. Difficult to find but worth every cent.
Either that or a low mileage 2004-2006 TL 6MT which is slightly lower HP but still has the Brembos.
Quote from: howie on June 04, 2012, 03:57:35 AM
If you put miles on, VW TDI, not so many miles, then go for the GTI. The standard Golf ain't bad either.
Got the 2010 base Golf and it was a fun fun car to drive.
I was bored and perusing the ebays...
if only the prices would stay this low [laugh]
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2-5i-All-Wheel-Drive-Black-/261043714685?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3cc76afa7d (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2-5i-All-Wheel-Drive-Black-/261043714685?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3cc76afa7d)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Limited-Navigation-Leather-Heated-Seats-Sunroof-/261043719344?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3cc76b0cb0 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Limited-Navigation-Leather-Heated-Seats-Sunroof-/261043719344?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3cc76b0cb0)
Yeah the only 2 WRX I can find locally are both 2010 one hatch and one sedan and both are within 2k of new prices. I like those things but not at over 30k a pop.
Quote from: ZILBERT on June 15, 2012, 09:01:08 AM
Yeah the only 2 WRX I can find locally are both 2010 one hatch and one sedan and both are within 2k of new prices. I like those things but not at over 30k a pop.
i love the WRX. I have wanted one since the 2.5rs (blue with gold rims of course)
i'm seeing 2006 models with 100K miles going for $25K+
That's incredibly idiotic to me.
may I make a suggestiong for to save some coin then and still get some goodness?...look for 06 Saab 92X's....
i have heard a few saab stories.
though my friend who wrecked hers was very well protected.
since the 9-2x is basically a WRX and just as steadfast...not exactly the STi...but that can be remedied with some of the coin in your pocket leftover from not paying for the nameplate!!
Quote from: zooom on June 15, 2012, 10:29:33 AM
since the 9-2x is basically a WRX and just as steadfast...not exactly the STi...but that can be remedied with some of the coin in your pocket leftover from not paying for the nameplate!!
but you are paying for a saab, and all the maint that goes with it are you not?
yes i say this as a former ducati owner. [cheeky]
Quote from: KnightofNi on June 15, 2012, 10:55:37 AM
but you are paying for a saab, and all the maint that goes with it are you not?
yes i say this as a former ducati owner. [cheeky]
you are a silly goose..how many times do YOU take your cage to the dealer?...how much work did you do to that chic mobile convertible Celica when you picked it up on a lark?...LOL
Quote from: zooom on June 15, 2012, 12:35:27 PM
you are a silly goose..how many times do YOU take your cage to the dealer?...how much work did you do to that chic mobile convertible Celica when you picked it up on a lark?...LOL
never to a dealer unless i have to. there are things on the car that I can't do on my own due to lack of space and ramps. it goes in the shop often enough.
i actually didn't have to do anything to it until the window track broke on the way to DIMBY. lol [laugh]
Quote from: KnightofNi on June 15, 2012, 12:56:22 PM
never to a dealer unless i have to. there are things on the car that I can't do on my own due to lack of space and ramps. it goes in the shop often enough.
i actually didn't have to do anything to it until the window track broke on the way to DIMBY. lol [laugh]
funny how the car never had an issue until I laid eyes on it ;D
I only bring my stuff to a dealer for warranty stuff or if there is something I don't feel like doing and I feel confident they won't screw it up
Looking @ a white Jetta GLI base-model.
It'll come in a touch over $23K, but I think it'll be worth it.
Yes it will.
Oddly... 4-5 y.o. Jetta GLI's can be had for sub-$10K... Hmmm...
Quote from: Duck-Stew on June 20, 2012, 08:39:33 AM
Oddly... 4-5 y.o. Jetta GLI's can be had for sub-$10K... Hmmm...
one thing to watch out for, the earlier engines had cam follower issues
Quote from: Duck-Stew on June 20, 2012, 08:39:33 AM
Oddly... 4-5 y.o. Jetta GLI's can be had for sub-$10K... Hmmm...
As much as I love VW's...I'd avoid a used one unless you get GOOD service records with it.
If they have good records...go for it. Be aware of the timing belt change at 80 or 100k.
As for the new GLI, I checked one out when the wife was shopping for her new car. Pretty Damn Awesome.
BTW--we got her TDI jetta, with the DSG, and leather seats out the door for 25k...including TTL. Get the manual instead and you could probably get out for around 23k. Though, the GLI drives much better than the ole oil burner [evil]
Quote from: lethe on June 20, 2012, 08:48:23 AM
one thing to watch out for, the earlier engines had cam follower issues
2006 & newer has the 2.0T engine I was looking at... Does that motor have the cam follower issues?
(6-speed manual trans as well...)
Quote from: Le Pirate on June 20, 2012, 08:51:29 AM
As much as I love VW's...I'd avoid a used one unless you get GOOD service records with it.
If they have good records...go for it. Be aware of the timing belt change at 80 or 100k.
As for the new GLI, I checked one out when the wife was shopping for her new car. Pretty Damn Awesome.
BTW--we got her TDI jetta, with the DSG, and leather seats out the door for 25k...including TTL. Get the manual instead and you could probably get out for around 23k. Though, the GLI drives much better than the ole oil burner [evil]
Been looking at 2007-09's w/50-80K on them and they're around $8K - $10K.
Service records: noted, thanks!
Looked at the TDI, but would rather have the GLI as I'm around town a lot and mileage isn't a big concern for me.
Quote from: Duck-Stew on June 20, 2012, 10:03:18 AM
2006 & newer has the 2.0T engine I was looking at... Does that motor have the cam follower issues?
(6-speed manual trans as well...)
yes, I should have specified it was the earlier 2.0T
something like if it is the FSI as opposed to the TFSI or something like that
the "newer" one would be something like '08 up
I'm hardly an expert on it as the '06 GTI we had didn't develop an issue while we had it but a guy at work had to deal with it on his '06 A3. Since I never had to deal with it, I'm not too up on the full info. Pretty sure it was a warranty fix thing, not sure if ones that got that fixed had problems again afterward. The only issue we ever had with our GTI was failing coil packs.
I think the current VWs and the A3 are up to something like the third major revision of the engine. We have a Q5 with the 2.0T but I think there is supposedly yet even more differences with what we have besides the obvious 90 degree difference in how it's mounted in there. [laugh]
I have loved that engine in anything I've ever driven that has it regardless of what version of the engine it was. [thumbsup]
Stew...when I get back to work on Monday...PM me and I'll fill you in as best as I can since I work at a VW dealer and stuffs...
So this may sound silly,
But I drove a friends 08 GTI about a week ago, when we were picking it up, and then again last night.
Only difference? He took off those stock wheels, and put on some OZ superleggras (I think?)...Same size and same tires.
Holy Crap. I didn't know the weight of a wheel made such a difference. He's always talking about centrifical force/weight/ sprung weight (I usually zone out as most people do when engineers talk about such things...). But honestly...that little change made the car feel a lot more lively.
I can't explain exactly why. Chuck was trying to explain to me why it felt different...and I zoned out again [laugh]
That said, I don't think the wheels on the GLI probably weight as much...it has to have something to do with the design of the GTI wheels...the big circle cut outs and what not.
That'd be unsprung weight and, yes, it makes a shit-ton of difference. [thumbsup]
Yeah, the 2.0T is a great little engine, definitely an overachiever.
Quote from: Speedbag on June 22, 2012, 07:58:41 AM
That'd be unsprung weight and, yes, it makes a shit-ton of difference. [thumbsup]
Yeah, the 2.0T is a great little engine, definitely an overachiever.
yeah yeah
unsprung weight. Ask me a biology question, or a water quality question...I'm your man. Physics? F you. >:(
;D
Quote from: Le Pirate on June 22, 2012, 10:37:37 AM
yeah yeah
unsprung weight. Ask me a biology question, or a water quality question...I'm your man. Physics? F you. >:(
;D
Why can't dogs fly? ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on June 22, 2012, 12:55:09 PM
Why can't dogs fly? ;D
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/000/681/what-you-did-there-i-see-it.thumbnail.jpg)
Quote from: Le Pirate on June 22, 2012, 10:37:37 AM
yeah yeah
unsprung weight. Ask me a biology question, or a water quality question...I'm your man. Physics? F you. >:(
;D
[cheeky]
;D
Quote from: Le Pirate on June 22, 2012, 10:37:37 AM
yeah yeah
unsprung weight. Ask me a biology question, or a water quality question...I'm your man. Physics? F you. >:(
lemme make it easy for ya... you've got the springs in the suspension, see? the things above the springs (frame/motor/bodywork) are sprung weight... and the things below them (wheels/brakes) are unsprung.
Quote from: derby on June 22, 2012, 07:02:29 PM
lemme make it easy for ya... you've got the springs in the suspension, see? the things above the springs (frame/motor/bodywork) are sprung weight... and the things below them (wheels/brakes) are unsprung.
and don't forget roughly half the weight of the suspension components themselves.
love the 2.0T and it's funny how the different versions of can have such varying "personalities"
the one in the GTI we had was impatient and high strung. You'd go to pass someone who had slowed you down on a back road for a bit and just giving a little throttle pressure would make the tires spin and the car take off like it was angry. You'd see the other driver stare at you like you're an impatient asshole. "Sorry, guy, it's the car that's impatient not me." [laugh]
The one now in her Audi, seems more mature but laying into the throttle, it will jump, but seemingly just saying, "Ok, sir, we will get by this impedance and then return to a comfortable cruising speed."
Quote from: lethe on June 23, 2012, 04:32:05 AM
love the 2.0T and it's funny how the different versions of can have such varying "personalities"
the one in the GTI we had was impatient and high strung. You'd go to pass someone who had slowed you down on a back road for a bit and just giving a little throttle pressure would make the tires spin and the car take off like it was angry. You'd see the other driver stare at you like you're an impatient asshole. "Sorry, guy, it's the car that's impatient not me." [laugh]
The one now in her Audi, seems more mature but laying into the throttle, it will jump, but seemingly just saying, "Ok, sir, we will get by this impedance and then return to a comfortable cruising speed."
I won't say that it's by any means up to the caliber of the 2.0T, but I've been incredibly happy with the 2.5 5cyl in my rabbit. It's not the most fuel efficient...by any means (I get 27-29 most the time) for a car that size, but with the 5 speed, it's punchy. From a dead stop, it's no rocket ship, but passing someone going 65-75, it'll up and move without even downshifting. I can push the pedal down to pass someone, and when I look down at the speedo i'm hitting 95 without even thinking about it.
I guess what I'm saying is...if you don't want to go all out on the cash, I don't think there is anything wrong with the 2.5....as long as it's the stick.
Oh...and with the miles I have on mine, I feel fully justified in saying that there is nothing wrong with the reliability of that engine. I've never done a thing, other than normal maint.
2012 VW Jetta GLI in my driveway. 6-speed, Autobahn package, sunroof, black on black...
Damn is that car quick! And fun to drive as well...
Didn't originally want all the bells/whistles but they made an attractive deal on this one b/c it was in stock...
Um...ah...pics por favor. ;)
[thumbsup]
[thumbsup] [thumbsup]
SWEET
I approve of this purchase [thumbsup]
Congrats! 😊
Good deal! Can't wait to see pics of it.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7270/7440908040_6cf68fe165_c.jpg)
Cell-phone shot, but you get the idea...
How does black on black work in the AZ sun?
Air conditioned seats?
Quote from: ducpainter on June 25, 2012, 08:45:50 AM
How does black on black work in the AZ sun?
Air conditioned seats?
you mean NM sun? [laugh]
with it being over 100 i'm sure a nice burn from the black steering wheel [laugh]
Quote from: ducpainter on June 25, 2012, 08:45:50 AM
How does black on black work in the AZ sun?
Air conditioned seats?
I'm assuming, about as well as my black on black rabbit works in the Texas sun....not well [thumbsdown]
pro tip: get your windows tinted. NOW! we waited a couple weeks on the wife's jetta...and that was a couple weeks too long.
Quote from: Le Pirate on June 25, 2012, 11:00:54 AM
I'm assuming, about as well as my black on black rabbit works in the Texas sun....not well [thumbsdown]
pro tip: get your windows tinted. NOW! we waited a couple weeks on the wife's jetta...and that was a couple weeks too long.
What happened in that 2 weeks?
Quote from: Duck-Stew on June 25, 2012, 12:04:45 PM
What happened in that 2 weeks?
It was really hot in the car ;D
In the Texas heat, the VW a/c system keeps the car liveable (as in not harmful to living organisms), but not really...cool. Window tint makes the car actually able too cool the air down to comfortable temps.
Quote from: Le Pirate on June 25, 2012, 11:00:54 AM
I'm assuming, about as well as my black on black rabbit works in the Texas sun....not well [thumbsdown]
pro tip: get your windows tinted. NOW! we waited a couple weeks on the wife's jetta...and that was a couple weeks too long.
Yup, my Black on Black RX-8's A/C can't keep up with the bit of a heat wave we currently are having here in Colorado.
Need to get it tinted, but something always seems to come up when I have an extra $350 sitting in my pocket.
BC.
Quote from: ducpainter on June 22, 2012, 12:55:09 PM
Why can't dogs fly? ;D
They can. It involves a plane and a treadmill............
Quote from: DucMouse the Sytaxor on June 25, 2012, 10:09:49 AM
you mean NM sun? [laugh]
with it being over 100 i'm sure a nice burn from the black steering wheel [laugh]
AZ...
NM...
what's a couple of letters have to do with it?
Quote from: Le Pirate on June 25, 2012, 11:00:54 AM
I'm assuming, about as well as my black on black rabbit works in the Texas sun....not well [thumbsdown]
pro tip: get your windows tinted. NOW! we waited a couple weeks on the wife's jetta...and that was a couple weeks too long.
See? ;D
my Golf was black on black in Texas heat...
the window tint is a MUST in Texas...I went for 15% (would like 10%) instead of the 25% legal...but the popo never **big knock on woods** stop me for that so I'm good to go!
Oh that thing is pure [bacon] on wheels.
Great purchase!
[thumbsup]
Sweet ride, Stu! [thumbsup]
Well... after 4 times in the service dept for a LOW FUEL PRESSURE code within 4 weeks...
The black GLI is going away. I just don't trust the car. Besides, in the SW heat a black car w/black interior was a lot to deal with.
Dealer mgr will do anything for me... Passat. CC. GTI. Golf. Tiguan... Help me get completely out of my contract... Anything.
BUT, I'm leaning towards a new white GLI which came off the transport yesterday...
And get them to pay my 1st payment as well...
Thoughts against rolling the dice a 2nd time?!?
We've only had good experiences with our past GTI and my present Golf TDI and her Audi, so I can only say go for it and I think you just got a bad one.
Low pressure from which pump? What did the dealer do to try and fix it? There have been problems with both the rail pressure sensor and the high pressure pump, neither very common. I think there is a service bulletin on the problem. Paging Zoom.
Low voltage from the body control module to the fuel pump control module causing (I believe) intermittent stumbling of the low pressure pump causing a low fuel pressure condition.
Car already got a new low pressure pump, fuel pressure sensor & a new fuel pump control module... Now it's waiting on the VW level 2 tech to fly in & fix it and he's not 100% sure of the issue. [roll]
I'm leaning heavily towards rolling the dice again w/the white GLI.
Just check the build dates of the two cars to make sure they weren't assembled at the same time.
Would suck to switch cars, only to have the exact same issue once again.
What you might want to ask is if there was an update to those part numbers, and if the new car has the updated part numbers.
BC.
Seems like the dealer was pretty cool so worst case if it is a POS like the 1st then he will probably step up again
Visit 1 was on day 1 @ ~110 miles. Car stumbled going uphill @ ~40mph. Took it to the dealership and they reset the codes and hoped for the best.
Visit 2 was within the first week @ ~400 miles. Car stumbled @ ~40mph. They looked into it and found a similar issue on another GLI so they duplicated that repair on my car. Replaced fuel pump and fuel pump module.
Visit 3 was week 2 @ ~1200 miles. Car DIED on me while driving on level road @ ~30mph. Barely got it up and running. Took to the dealership where they replaced the fuel pressure sensor.
Visit 4 was week 3 @ ~1700 miles. Car DIED on me while driving up a light grade @ ~40mph. **BARELY** got it up and running. Car ran fine the next day back from Durango to Albuquerque. They've had the car since...
Car now has ~2000 miles on it (300 mile trip back to Albuquerque) and it's in for it's 4th time for the same issue.
There's just something WRONG with this one I think...
Quote from: Bladecutter on July 24, 2012, 01:41:32 PM
Just check the build dates of the two cars to make sure they weren't assembled at the same time.
Would suck to switch cars, only to have the exact same issue once again.
What you might want to ask is if there was an update to those part numbers, and if the new car has the updated part numbers.
BC.
Since both cars are right there... I'll be doing that. Thanks! [thumbsup]
Quote from: MikeZ on July 24, 2012, 01:45:33 PM
Seems like the dealer was pretty cool so worst case if it is a POS like the 1st then he will probably step up again
Good point...
Yeah, they'll let me p/u the white one tonight and make my decision on the whole deal tomorrow...
When it's running: ;D 8) [thumbsup]
When it's not: ??? :-\ :'( [thumbsdown]
we have replaced 1 pump...most issues we have had or heard about through our local dealer commiseration network have been the sensor on top of the in tank pump and then all fixed and better...I think ( complete personal opinion here based on general experience with things in general) it is a quality control issue with whom VW contracted to spec the sensor and make it for them...overall, there still aren't a lot of them failing...not to the point that I stock a crapload of them or anything...
I would go with the white one just to get the less heated interior for your comfort with the AZ sun!
Ok. That settles it. I'm going for the white one. Thanks all! [thumbsup]
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white cars are less dirty than other color in appearance of course.
Quote from: seanster on July 24, 2012, 04:58:22 PM
white cars are less dirty than other color in appearance of course.
It seems strange but its true.
Old VIN ended in: 414112
New VIN ends in: 473843
So, substantially later in production...
Though I think your black car is fixable, go for the white one. Besides the reality that once you lose confidence in a car it is hard to gain it back, black on black during the summer is no fun, even here.
good luck with the replacement stu
i can't help but wonder what is going to happen to the black one :-\
i'll feel bad for whoever buys it off the used car lot
Last I heard was that the body control module wasn't being ordered, they didn't think that software was the culprit... They were onto a new engine control module.
I'm sure they'll get it & I'm sure it'll be a great car for someone... I just didn't trust it after all that nonsense.
Quote from: Duck-Stew on July 24, 2012, 06:50:50 PM
Old VIN ended in: 414112
New VIN ends in: 473843
So, substantially later in production...
Always better to look at the production date stamp.
Lets say the black car shows its build date as 4/2012, and the white car shows 6/2012.
My gf's Abarth is a good example of a car that had a lower VIN number than the two other Abarths that were on dealer lot, but it was built and arrived to the dealer weeks after the previous two did. I believe for her car, lack of 16" wheels at the factory is what held up her car, while both of the newer VIN cars that arrived before it had the 17" wheels.
BC.
Quote from: Duck-Stew on July 24, 2012, 02:08:59 PM
Ok. That settles it. I'm going for the white one. Thanks all! [thumbsup]
good stuff....I like the white better anyway!