Ducati Monster Forum

a bike like a new 696 if it was offered that got 100mpg but with 15-20hp less for the same price as the current version ?? 

How do I create a poll here ?? 

sure why not with 50 or 60 hp you still doing good. 

-panthro

100 mpg leaves room for a second bike that you can run crazy with when you want


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If gas prices get worse, then yes.  But I'd rather buy an SR series with those same specs.

That's a great question.

If I was buying a bike to commute on, I'd take the 100 mpg version. If I was buying a bike to tear around on for the weekends, I'd take the bike with more HP and less mpg. If I needed a bike to do both, hmmm.... ???

without question.

i have a 620 it has 59hp on the dyno and gets 45 mpg with termi and pc3.  if i could get the exact same looking motorcycle or the 696 with the same hp and torque that i currently have but at 100mpg i'd go for it without hesistation.

i use my bike as a commuting bike so having to fill up every 3-4 weeks instead of every 1.5 weeks i would do in heartbeat.

Quote from: sbrguy on June 26, 2008, 12:46:50 PM
without question.

i have a 620 it has 59hp on the dyno and gets 45 mpg with termi and pc3.  if i could get the exact same looking motorcycle or the 696 with the same hp and torque that i currently have but at 100mpg i'd go for it without hesistation.

i use my bike as a commuting bike so having to fill up every 3-4 weeks instead of every 1.5 weeks i would do in heartbeat.

Dude step up to the s2r1k if you are ready I just calculated the last couple of weeks I am doing around 41 to 42 mpg and having a riot doing it.

-panthro

Quote from: panthro on June 26, 2008, 01:01:19 PM
Dude step up to the s2r1k if you are ready I just calculated the last couple of weeks I am doing around 41 to 42 mpg and having a riot doing it.

-panthro

i'd would consider the s2r1000 if i hadn't already put so much into the current bike with the termi low mounts, steering damper and the fact that the monster city bags make the low mount exhaust bikes so conviennt.

trust me the s2r1000 is the bike i would get bc i do like the sss and the dry clutch so much, its a shame that the 620 doesnt' have either.  the only thing i don't like with the s2r1k is that whole closed loop problem with the idle hunting, etc.

100mpg?  Where do I sign up at! 

Unfortunately all great EPA mileage motorcycles all have tons of fairings on them (wind resistance reduction) and look like bad kitchen appliances as a result thereof.  If one could retain the the Ducati Monster hallmark design language elements -- I think it would be a great success for commuter / fun use. (it won't replace the thundering weekend bike though)

I'm assuming either a radically smart ECU system w/cylinder cutout(?) or smaller displacement to make more efficient. (possibly in conjunction with narrower tires / harder compound for lower rolling resistance)  The cost of a hybrid setup is too cost prohibitive for such small volume manufacture unfortunately.

I know of folks with Ducati's currently who must deliberate between above basic food/eating or gasoline for their Ducati's.  I don't see gasoline getting any cheaper in the future nor food.

Now it's a poll.

DaveR, you should be able to edit the poll.
If you can't, give me a holler.

I like to be green, but am going to offer a dissenting opinion.

I ride motorcycle for pleasure and not transport purpose.  Doubling the MPG at the expense of ~25 rwhp is not a choice I will make.

So, a full size standard 50HP bike that looks good, gets 100mpg, and costs 7000.  Sure, I would be more interested in it than a regular 696.

mitt

I didn't vote.  I'd rather see a win win option  ...more hp with more mpg

Quote from: Dave R on June 26, 2008, 12:22:34 PM
a bike like a new 696 if it was offered that got 100mpg but with 15-20hp less for the same price as the current version ?? 

How do I create a poll here ?? 

No, on the basis that it would change the character of the bike beyond what I consider a Monster to be.

If I would be looking for 100 mpg, I'd consider a Vespa or similar smaller sized scooter, which can be fun on their own.

I'm satisfied with the mpg my S4Rs is getting but the range is absolutely deplorable. Is getting 150-160 miles per tank too much to ask for?

I would, the extra mileage gains might make up for the retarded maintenance costs [laugh]

Well, there is always the company that makes modified diesel versions of Kawasaki's KLR650 for the Marines.  They are working up a civilianized version of it and it is reported to get close to 100mpg.  All of that with a seven gallon tank!! 

I think it comes down to commuting vs. canyons.  I use my bike for both, but commuting is the bulk of my miles.  Give me mileage - in the long run I'll save enough to buy a second bike.

<skeptical engineer>

Are there any tech specs to back up that ~50HP 100mpg concept?

</skeptical engineer>

Quote from: DRKWNG on June 26, 2008, 02:38:59 PM
Well, there is always the company that makes modified diesel versions of Kawasaki's KLR650 for the Marines.  They are working up a civilianized version of it and it is reported to get close to 100mpg.  All of that with a seven gallon tank!! 

I saw that article, and If memory serves me, the HP is a dismal number, like under 20hp (don't hold me to that), and top speed is under 60mph.  I would not be interested in a monster that performed like that.

mitt

Say Bob, why don't these folks quit complaining about the fuel cost and buy a scooter?

I dunno Jim, seems most people just have their minds stuck in "what if" mode and don't bother doing anything to fix their perceived problem.

Looks like a lot of people would go for a 100 MPG bike with 50 HP, but how low would you go as far as power? What if it was 30 HP? 20?

 

Quote from: x136 on June 26, 2008, 05:28:42 PM
Looks like a lot of people would go for a 100 MPG bike with 50 HP, but how low would you go as far as power? What if it was 30 HP? 20?

I would go low, I'm already at less than 20 hp but I get 75-80 mpg on my CRF230.
Its really not that bad, if you have another bike to rip around on!

How about electric? A recent popular motorcycle publication had an article on a very sexy "superbike" looking electric bike. Think of the Electric Monster, max torque at 0 RPM, could be fun and "green". Just a thought.

whats the point in havinga hooligan bike, if you cant be a hooligan.

Quote from: Pancake81 on June 26, 2008, 07:30:54 PM
whats the point in havinga hooligan bike, if you cant be a hooligan.

AMEN to that 8)

I came back from Denver last Friday, drove around all week, and just put gas in this pm. $10-$12 dollars a tank..... Naw I'll keep the power, it's like paying $5 etra a week to have fun. Well worth it in my opinion. Now if you could make the bike significantly cheaper so that buying it was a better deal as well perhaps. Let's face it though Ducati's aren't really for frugally minded people, we can rationalize all we want. But at the end of the day we are willing to pay a premium for a certain ride. If we were that worried about a little extra gas money we prolly woulda bought a Hyosung.

I just bought my wife a brand new 2008 ford focus to haul the baby around in, and since I am the sole income in the family, she can't tell me not to buy the 696 that I want... but the increased mpg would definitely be a selling point.  Besides, if I was buying a motorcycle purely for hp and speed, I would have bought a cookie cutter Jap bike, but where's the fun in that?

No, I would not trade, .......... I'll just buy another one ;D

Quote from: mitt on June 26, 2008, 04:31:37 PM
I saw that article, and If memory serves me, the HP is a dismal number, like under 20hp (don't hold me to that), and top speed is under 60mph.  I would not be interested in a monster that performed like that.

mitt

Yea, the hp numbers were really low, but the torque was through the roof!  I have ridden one of the Marine Corps bikes a few times and those things have all kinds of grunt (no pun intended). 

Quote from: Adamm3406 on June 26, 2008, 07:48:31 PM
if I was buying a motorcycle purely for hp and speed, I would have bought a cookie cutter Jap bike, but where's the fun in that?

Did you just say 'where's the fun in horsepower and speed'?

Your man card..!! C'mon hand it over...

Quote from: MOUSEMAN on June 26, 2008, 07:06:21 PM
How about electric? A recent popular motorcycle publication had an article on a very sexy "superbike" looking electric bike. Think of the Electric Monster, max torque at 0 RPM, could be fun and "green". Just a thought.

I am not convinced an efficient gas engine isn't less harmful to the environment than electric vehicle batteries..  cost, production and disposal are still issues.   This survey of mine is purely out of curiosity as we have experienced a huge increase in scooter sales so I am wondering if a high mileage Ducati motorcycle under $10K would draw some interest, maybe if there was a demand Ducati or one of the other manufactures may go after it.
I would rather have a mid displacement efficient motorcycle vs any of todays MAXI scooters like Burgmans, Silverwings, Aprillia Atlantic 400's etc..   Admittedly I do have a few 150cc scooters for in town use when I would rather not ride my m/c..

Quote from: Rotten Randy on June 26, 2008, 09:16:14 PM
Did you just say 'where's the fun in horsepower and speed'?

Your man card..!! C'mon hand it over...

I'm just saying, I love the monster for it's style, not for it's 1/4 time.  If I want to go 120 mph, I'll jump out of a plane. 

As long as there is fuel, I like to burn it myself  [evil]

Not a chance I ride for pleasure not for economy(http://www.1098-forum.com/forums/images/smilies/money.gif)

this poll is interesting in that it shows the exact reasons why we can all SAY we want to help  save the environment, save fuel, not depend on foreign oil, etc.

but when it comes right down to it, half fo the people WILL NOT make a sacrifice for any of those motives, instead WE ALL WILL pass the buck for "someone else to do that" or we will "make someone else do that" and claim all the while "well i do this for fun and i can afford it", etc.

meaning as usual half of people will pass the buck and do nothing.

Thinking about it more, I'd say a 350/400cc single cylinder w/desmo head, direct port injection, CF panels and wheels -- a modern version of the 60's/70's bikes from Ducati.  Put some "smart technology" into it for freewheeling (electronic slipper clutch) and "at stop on/off mode".  Maybe even an old Supersport style fairing to provide aerodynamics.  Add a bit of trellis frame and aluminum swingarm w/belt drive.  Make it so it's easily modified ala the existing Monster lineup to allow "personalization".  Integrate LED lights front / rear / signals with a cool LCD/LED dash with basic functions.  With the right bit of marketing, it could be a new niche within the motorcycling community (not scooter community).  I easily see something like this for commuting, college campus, inner city riding, etc.  Would it be a high speed racing bike or something for doing an "all day" ride -- no.  But that isn't its purpose either.

No i would not ,and gas prices in the Netherlands are twice of what you lucky basters pay

That's why i got me a vespa!  [thumbsup]

I wonder what those Monster 400's get for mileage.  I'm surprised there hasn't been any testing of those here.  Yeah yeah, I know.  we americans all like liter bikes (generalization).

Quote from: sbrguy on June 27, 2008, 11:11:14 AM
this poll is interesting in that it shows the exact reasons why we can all SAY we want to help  save the environment, save fuel, not depend on foreign oil, etc.

but when it comes right down to it, half fo the people WILL NOT make a sacrifice for any of those motives, instead WE ALL WILL pass the buck for "someone else to do that" or we will "make someone else do that" and claim all the while "well i do this for fun and i can afford it", etc.

meaning as usual half of people will pass the buck and do nothing.

I would contend that our attitude to that effect is one of impact and perspective.  Sure, we don't want to sacrifice HP for MPG, but when I'm going down the highway to work and every car around me has one person in it, including those vehicles built to seat 7+driver or more, I have little urge to change what is effectively a infinitesimal percentage of fuel usage nationwide.

Andy

I'll make it easier:

I AM PASSING THE BUCK

I DO NOT CARE ABOUT FUEL COST

I WILL NOT GIVE UP MY FREEDOM TO SATISFY GREENHEADS OR THE RIGHTIES

Figured I should just get that out of the way to prevent confusion.

Quote from: sbrguy on June 27, 2008, 11:11:14 AM
this poll is interesting in that it shows the exact reasons why we can all SAY we want to help  save the environment, save fuel, not depend on foreign oil, etc.

but when it comes right down to it, half fo the people WILL NOT make a sacrifice for any of those motives, instead WE ALL WILL pass the buck for "someone else to do that" or we will "make someone else do that" and claim all the while "well i do this for fun and i can afford it", etc.

meaning as usual half of people will pass the buck and do nothing.

How about 45 miles to the charge or 585 MPG...

http://www.enertiabike.com/

(http://www.enertiabike.com/images/photos/images/002_front_3q_right.jpg)

Quote from: flying_nun on July 03, 2008, 06:28:21 AM
How about 45 miles to the charge or 585 MPG...

http://www.enertiabike.com/

Top speed is only 50 or so mph :( Just seems wrong somehow.

Quote from: Rotten Randy on June 26, 2008, 02:20:23 PM
I'm satisfied with the mpg my S4Rs is getting but the range is absolutely deplorable. Is getting 150-160 miles per tank too much to ask for?

At least you arent riding a 1098 my tank range is only a tad over 100miles, my low gas light goes on at about 90miles on a GOOD day

All depends what you want out of the bike.

If you want sport performance, get a sport bike.

If you want MPG performance, get a scooter.

Quote from: sbrguy on June 26, 2008, 12:46:50 PM

i have a 620 it has 59hp on the dyno and gets 45 mpg with termi and pc3.  if i could get the exact same looking motorcycle or the 696 with the same hp and torque that i currently have but at 100mpg i'd go for it without hesistation.

+1

I don't have termi, but I feel the same way. In most canyons its ridiculous to be higher than 3rd gear. My 620 is practically stock and it rocks

In a heart beat... [thumbsup]