So Ducati is going to be rolling out all these new models over the next couple years..... I'd like to hear speculation on what the biggest air cooled monster will be... replacing the S2R 1000. It is likely to be my next bike.
Thoughts?
For aircooled, I would look to the motard for leadership and for water-colled I would look to the 1098 for leadership.
More important, is why are they keeping it all 'hush-hush'? Come on Ducati, spill the beans!!!
Quote from: CDawg on June 26, 2008, 02:03:42 PM
For aircooled, I would look to the motard for leadership and for water-colled I would look to the 1098 for leadership.
+1
Quote from: CDawg on June 26, 2008, 02:03:42 PM
For aircooled, I would look to the motard for leadership and for water-colled I would look to the 1098 for leadership.
Interesting. I don't know much about the hypermotard engine. So with that, the s2r 1000 would lose 5 hp? (90 vs 95) But i'm assuming the motard engine has made other advances in technologies that make that irrelevant?
Quote from: ltnuke on June 26, 2008, 05:31:42 PM
Interesting. I don't know much about the hypermotard engine. So with that, the s2r 1000 would lose 5 hp? (90 vs 95) But i'm assuming the motard engine has made other advances in technologies that make that irrelevant?
The Hyper makes less power due to a more restricted airbox. One could assume the monster would restore the airbox volume and thus the power.
1100 motard motor is a 1000DS with a 1080cc big bore kit basically, and a few lightened internals. Personally I am glad to see the return of the magnesium colored cases, but not sure if they truly are magnesium.
I'm still pulling for a 848 based Monster. 1098 is just more than I need but the 848 tuned for more low and mid range seems like it'd be the perfect scoot imo. Light with power woopwoopwoopwoop [moto]
How about some 4 valve head 1000 ds aircooled monters [thumbsup]
Quote from: Hi_Fi_Guy on June 26, 2008, 07:02:27 PM
The Hyper makes less power due to a more restricted airbox. One could assume the monster would restore the airbox volume and thus the power.
But the HMT 1100 makes more tq than the DS1000...
Just as long as they don't all look like the 696. I am about to sell my S2R and I have hopes that I will be able to get another good looking Monster again some time in the future.
Exactly,
Please give us all the new technology and keep the SR design as it is right now
Thanks
what ever they come up with, i just hope it has a lower seat height, like the 749's....
In an interview with Claudio Domenicali by Two Magazine
They ask... When will we see a Monster 848 or 1098?
He responds... I promise you will never see the 848 engine, or the 1098 engine in this bike.
That kind of puts down alot of the current speculation. Maybe they will come out with a whole new line that would be closer to a Aprilia Tuono
There has been talk about a seperate naked 4v model beside the Monster line. So that would still make his statement true.
I'm working on an cooled motor in the 1215cc range - hope to have the 1st one ready for Daytona.
Quote from: Norm on June 27, 2008, 05:39:18 AM
I'm working on an cooled motor in the 1215cc range - hope to have the 1st one ready for Daytona.
Norm, I can't wait to see that brute!
8) [thumbsup]
Quote from: IdZer0 on June 27, 2008, 04:42:41 AM
There has been talk about a seperate naked 4v model beside the Monster line. So that would still make his statement true.
Now that could actually work out. Just imagine, take all the styling cues from the 696 and incorporate them into a "completely" new model line with the 4-valve engines. That way they could leave the venerable Monster/S2R alone and move it more into the SC line.
Quote from: Norm on June 27, 2008, 05:39:18 AM
I'm working on an cooled motor in the 1215cc range - hope to have the 1st one ready for Daytona.
Are you using a current Ducati motor as the platform Norm?
I'm using the 900 as a reference point & changing only what I think needs improvement or changes neccessary for the increased capacity. It will remain 2V.
The problem has always been that it's not something I can whip out myself. I need designers, code writers, machinist, etc., all of whom are enthusiest but still need to be paid.
It looks like everything will be billit.
Quote from: ArguZ on June 27, 2008, 03:27:32 AM
Exactly,
Please give us all the new technology and keep the SR design as it is right now
Thanks
Amen, I would never complain about anyone's religion as long as they don't force it on me.
And, if any influencial Ducati execs are monitoring, I would like an SR style with the 848 powerplant in pearl white with black frame, wheels, and fenders. Oh, and one of those fancy Race Only exhaust from Termi.
Quote from: flanman on June 27, 2008, 04:18:15 AM
In an interview with Claudio Domenicali by Two Magazine
They ask... When will we see a Monster 848 or 1098?
He responds... I promise you will never see the 848 engine, or the 1098 engine in this bike.
That kind of puts down alot of the current speculation. Maybe they will come out with a whole new line that would be closer to a Aprilia Tuono
This bike he refers to could be the current range of SR monsters, nothing about a 696 derived NEW monster [thumbsup]
What's a ballpark figure on that as a "limited" production motor? Considering going all out on a DS1000 motor for my '01 m900. All internals lightened, new heads, 1080 big bore. Looking at $4-$5k depending on how cheaply I can come across the donor motor. The goal is a RELIABLE 100+ hp plant.
It's hard to guess what the total cost will be at this point, there are too many "little" things that come up. We're aiming for 100 ft/pounds of torque which (I think) will exceed anything Ducati has made.
If you're enthused about the project, $1000 invested now will give you rights to anything & everything at cost.
I have another meeting next week with one of the designers & might know more.
Norm
Quote from: Norm on July 01, 2008, 05:50:01 AM
We're aiming for 100 ft/pounds of torque which (I think) will exceed anything Ducati has made.
F!! That sounds like fun!