So I took the plunge and upgraded to a Duc. I took her out today for the first time since I finally got insurance. :)
I was wondering if this is normal on a 2011 monster 796 abs? When I am pulling out from a stop in first gear, as I easy off the clutch slowly and give gas she rumbles/vibrates and stutters as if to say get the hell off me lol [evil] Is this a normal occurence? Or just the nature of the beast? I have no problems with this at all and tried many different ways of clutch and throttle to overcome it, but I think its normal because it always does it.
I am coming off a 2010 ninja 250 which I still ride and this bike does not do this that is why I am wondering.
What a lovely bike
By the way it only has 267km on it so its pretty new and not broken in yet
Is this just an Italian thing?
welcome to the board! i have no idea about your model of bike, but post up over in the tech section and someone is sure to provide input..
Quote from: herm on July 10, 2012, 01:44:24 PMpost up over in the tech section and someone is sure to provide input..
No need! Curmudgeon should be along shortly to advise him to get a 14 tooth countershaft sprocket, Sargent seat,and tell him what good taste he has. [laugh]
Quote from: Ducatamount on July 10, 2012, 04:17:54 PM
No need! Curmudgeon should be along shortly to advise him to get a 14 tooth countershaft sprocket, Sargent seat,and tell him what good taste he has. [laugh]
[thumbsup] ;)
All of the above. ;D
To the OP, just a few comments: The bikes are very tight when new. That vibration will continue to diminish until 1,500 - 2,500 miles depending on the way you ride. Ducatis like revs. Try some more before you ease off the clutch. And as Ducatamount observed, I'd suggest a 14T front sprocket ASAP as the bikes are geared for EC drive by noise testing. One tooth will make low speed and in town manipulation much easier AND..., wait for it..., you may actually have a use for 6th gear! 8)
The 796 can't really be compared to a 250. It has big, high compression (11.1-3:1) pistons and makes BIG power pulses. Once it is loosened up, between 5,000 and red line, the engine is really pretty smooth since a 90 degree engine has perfect primary balance. It has no secondary balance counterbalancers though, so keep the revs up. It won't break!
If you get some weird fueling glitches during the first 1,000 miles, just be aware and grab the clutch if it starts to take off on you briefly when you give it a tiny bit of throttle in first gear. Maybe you won't even get that, but a newer rider should be aware. It can feel like an accelerator pump on steroids for a second or two. If you do get that, by 700+ miles it goes away.
Coming off a 250, be aware that this bike has lots of power and torque, and although the brakes are decent, learn to blip the throttle and downshift to slow down or to set up entrances to turns. Your bike has LOADS of engine braking. One finger on the front and/or a light tap on the rear should take care of most braking. Shifting up and down is really good for the engine too and your APTC clutch will keep the rear wheel from chirping on downshifts if you fail to blip the throttle enough.
If you go for a 14T, make sure you get the one SPECIFICALLY for the 796 which is a Driven Racing part # 10 67 525 14T.
Thanks for the responses. I have been looking at this forum for the past few months before I even bought the bike, just so I could research it.
Yes I think a 14T sprocket change is in the cards for sure, but I think I want to break in the engine first and log some more kms on the bike.
Frame sliders and front and rear sliders are the first thing I am doing as well as termis later on and a rossi body kit lol ;)
I guess you could say I am new because I got my license last year but already put almost 7000km on the ninja.
Welcome
Yep as noted - the cure for shuddering starts for those new to ducs is usually a more generous twist of the throttle when launching. Also as noted, you're still in the break in period so things will get smoother as parts take their final seatings and wear in.
Now, get some track plastics for the 250 and flog that little beast for track days!
Quote from: dieselxx on July 11, 2012, 05:37:22 AM
Yes I think a 14T sprocket change is in the cards for sure, but I think I want to break in the engine first and log some more kms on the bike.
Mine was fitted from new as I'd ridden the demo and that bike screamed for a 14T. Some Ducatis don't need it, others do. Two of mine had the swap. The others had different power bands and could tolerate 3,000 RPM better for short intervals. The 796 is just way overgeared in stock trim.
As for waiting, do as you like, but you'll do that engine no good by lugging it with a 15T while new either. The stock gearing is only there for regulatory reasons, not the health of either the engine OR the rider. ;)
Forgive me if I'm late on here fellas, and I don't mean to jack your thread OP but, I keep hearing about the 14t for the 796 but then I research and everything that I have read says that the 796 W ABS cannot be fitted with the 14t. OP has ABS, I have ABS, we were both told to look into 14t so I'm confused. If those that may have researched this also could shed some light.....
Ok does it matter on the type of 14t sprocket if it's an abs model because that is what I have. Yes I am confused too now lol
As for the racing the ninja 250. I would love to do that, but thinking of giving it to the girlfriend with a lowering kit for her first bike
Quote from: Cdawg410 on July 11, 2012, 10:49:06 AM
Forgive me if I'm late on here fellas, and I don't mean to jack your thread OP but, I keep hearing about the 14t for the 796 but then I research and everything that I have read says that the 796 W ABS cannot be fitted with the 14t. OP has ABS, I have ABS, we were both told to look into 14t so I'm confused. If those that may have researched this also could shed some light.....
Search is your friend, but read it, ALL of it. 8) http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=52528.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=52528.0)
The sprocket for ANY 796 is specific though. Part number posted above. Unless you use this one, BAD things can happen, i.e. your chain won't line up!
Now if I had searched, exactly what would you have done with those teaching moments? Obviously wasted them on someone else, someone else that wouldn't, nigh, couldn't appreciate it as much as I do!
Thank you for your patience.
Two weeks ago I was ready to go 14t but at this point, with a bunch of trips into the city under my belt, the tall gears aren't really bothering me. I used to drive sports cars in the city all the time so perhaps my tolerance for all the 'movin n shakin' that goes with manual tranny operation in the city is higher than most regardless of the conveyance.
It's your bike. However, lugging that engine in traffic isn't ideal and putting up with it to save $38 plus ~ 1/2 - 1 hour isn't very worthwhile IMO. Bear in mind that the bike is overgeared = won't pull red line in 6th more than likely (haven't tried personally). A 14T = ~ 400 RPM but makes a difference most enjoy and will give you a useable 6th. No downside unless you don't maintain/adjust your chain.
Another alternative is to fit a full Termi kit to pick up more power, noise and torque. Then 3,000 isn't as rough on you or the engine. Your choice. A big 4-valve is happy at 3,000 but few 2-valve Ducatis are..., in stock trim.
Quote from: Curmudgeon on July 11, 2012, 04:45:56 PM
It's your bike. However, lugging that engine in traffic isn't ideal and putting up with it to save $38 plus ~ 1/2 - 1 hour isn't very worthwhile IMO. Bear in mind that the bike is overgeared = won't pull red line in 6th more than likely (haven't tried personally). A 14T = ~ 400 RPM but makes a difference most enjoy and will give you a useable 6th. No downside unless you don't maintain/adjust your chain.
Another alternative is to fit a full Termi kit to pick up more power, noise and torque. Then 3,000 isn't as rough on you or the engine. Your choice. A big 4-valve is happy at 3,000 but few 2-valve Ducatis are..., in stock trim.
Hey Curmudgeon,
How is your rizoma bar working out? I notice that on the stock handle bar my wrists kill me because all the weight is dispersed just on the wrists. Did you raise your handlebars with that rizoma? Does it feel better?
Quote from: dieselxx on July 12, 2012, 06:51:31 AM
Hey Curmudgeon,
How is your rizoma bar working out? I notice that on the stock handle bar my wrists kill me because all the weight is dispersed just on the wrists. Did you raise your handlebars with that rizoma? Does it feel better?
See: http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=58365.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=58365.0) Your mileage may vary.
IMO and my son's, the wrist angle is better. I'd like another 10mm in rise too which is all the cables and lines will allow but haven't found a simple, sanitary way to do that. Over 50 MPH it's dandy as you see in the picture.
I broke my shoulder three years ago and am an old geezer, so
any improvement is good! Note the Tech Spec tank pads in my snap. I avoid slow traffic as much as possible, but digging your knees into those will take a lot of weight off your arms and wrists when the going is slow. "This ain't my first rodeo". ;)
Ya I'm not an old man, only 31, but already had a back surgery lol. I wanted an SS bike but just can't sit on those things for longer than 20 minutes
So I took the Duc instead. No issues with the back at all. Just a bit in the wrists.
The stock seat is 100 times more comfy than the piece of plywood and rocks on the ninja 250