In NYC, Landlords are MANDATED to recycle. NYC also has one of the largest recycling programs for any city.
Plastics must be placed inside CLEAR plastic bags or in a plastic bin with a label for plastic recycling.
Paper must be placed inside CLEAR plastic bags or in a plastic bin with a label for paper recycling.
If any of these rules are violated it is a $25-125 fine depending on severity.
As a landlord it is easy to put a plastic bag in the bin and have people just throw their recyclable materials there.
You cannot throw away plastics inside of a plastic bag that is not clear. That is to say, if you buy groceries and receive a plastic bag. Then proceed to fill the plastic bag up with paper and then trash it, the DEP comes in and fines you. If you fill a non clear PLASTIC bag (that is actually not recyclable, but that in itself is entirely different story) with PLASTICS, and then dump it into the PLASTIC recycling container, you also get fined. It MUST MUST MUST be CLEAR!
Here is the problem. No one sells clear plastic bags on the tenant side (grocery stores just dont carry them), they only exist in white non clear. THe clear ones only exist in large 30-55gallon sizes at places like home depot or local hardware stores. that means if a tenant decides to go on a shred fest and fills up 3 regular non clear plastic bags and then dumps it in the paper recycling bin, the landlord gets fined. You can tell the tenant can just put it into a plastic bin and then take the bin downstairs to empty it, but then a second problem comes up. If they leave the cover open wind blows paper everywhere (and it does)then it gets into the streets and eventually the sewage system (where it gets screened and hauled off to the dump anyway) and then you get fined for a dirty front yard.
Now you might ask, how often do they fine you? Well the DEP hires agents to drive around and fine people. On average, each building gets about 3-4 fines a month, its just the way it is. That is a political thing and isnt the scope of this rant.
My question is, how do you expect us to recycle if you make it so damn difficult?
I used to crumble my paper as im working so i know i wont pick it up and mistaken it for good work. Now i put a big red x on it and stack it in a pile and at the end of a month, i stick it in a shipping box from something i ordered and then dump the box in the recycling bin. But thats just me. Everyone else now just dumps it in regular garbage. and then there are plastic bags you get from other items. I am very conscious of seprating plastic bags, packaging items, and then recycling those, but form a 8-16 family building, ti comes a nightmare.
From a municipal point of view, if paper can go in clear plastic bags, why cant they go into a NON clear plastic bag????WTF?
They don't, they are evil.
The easy answer is to move out of the city. ;D
I have a 1 and half yard dumpster that I just throw everything in, including the stuff that it shows a picture of on the side of it that you're not supposed to throw in there.
Carefully place your recycling bags in front of your neighbor's house [evil]
carefully? ill just plop it on the sidewalk. itll magically find itself sitting in the same spot, but all three houses (to my left and right) would get a ticket!
Lunacy. NYC might be the biggest but it doesn't sound like the most advanced. Here I can do exactly what you're describing without a ticket and I have a huge trash can marked recycle.
But you're missing the point.
The point of it all is, above all else, pay the fee. Or in this case the fine.
I may live in Oregon now but I have spent most of my life in....I bet you can't guess where..
No not NY.
Anyway trust me that's how these things work.
Quote from: He Man on September 15, 2012, 07:32:41 PMFrom a municipal point of view, if paper can go in clear plastic bags, why cant they go into a NON clear plastic bag????WTF?
The answer seems pretty transparent to me.
Home depot in queens has the clear bags in house sized rolls. They are also called leaf bags.
Simple solution is to buy only clear bags. Your neighbors will see your trash but you don't have any privacy anyhow didi.
I shall ponder your question as i sip on my 32 oz soda.
Quote from: ungeheuer on September 16, 2012, 03:45:49 AM
The answer seems pretty transparent to me.
The way I see it, you have 3 options, otherwise suffer.
A. Move to Colorado.
B. Move to Colorado
C. All of the above.
Quote from: He Man on September 15, 2012, 07:32:41 PM
In NYC, Landlords are MANDATED to recycle. NYC also has one of the largest recycling programs for any city.
Plastics must be placed inside CLEAR plastic bags or in a plastic bin with a label for plastic recycling...../clip/
or use the plastic bins instead..?
Quote from: herm on September 16, 2012, 06:13:53 PM
or use the plastic bins instead..?
I just assumed they were using bins like these, but maybe I shouldn't assume.
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NYC should visit Seattle and learn how to do it correctly.
We have 2 recycle bins (like the one above)...one for yard trimmings and food waste (including meat/bones), and one for everything else (glass, paper, aluminum, etc). That's it. It works great. No secondary bags, ambiguous separation rules, or anything. [thumbsup]
Requiring (as opposed to allowing) someone to put recyclable materials into a new plastic bag (regardless of color) is beyond stupid.
Quote from: Triple J on September 17, 2012, 08:34:49 AM. . . NYC should visit Seattle and learn how to do it correctly. . . .
Maybe, but then again one could clearly say recycling is not the focus of NYC's gr$$n efforts.
Seattle has about 700k people. Manhattan alone has over 4 million in an area bout one quarter the area of Seattle. Also, new yorkers have little use for lawn clipping g pickups.... :)
Quote from: Triple J on September 17, 2012, 08:34:49 AM
NYC should visit Seattle and learn how to do it correctly.
We have 2 recycle bins (like the one above)...one for yard trimmings and food waste (including meat/bones), and one for everything else (glass, paper, aluminum, etc). That's it. It works great. No secondary bags, ambiguous separation rules, or anything. [thumbsup]
Requiring (as opposed to allowing) someone to put recyclable materials into a new plastic bag (regardless of color) is beyond stupid.
Quote from: Triple J on September 17, 2012, 08:34:49 AM
NYC should visit Seattle and learn how to do it correctly.
We have 2 recycle bins (like the one above)...one for yard trimmings and food waste (including meat/bones), and one for everything else (glass, paper, aluminum, etc). That's it. It works great. No secondary bags, ambiguous separation rules, or anything. [thumbsup]
Sounds like what we have here in PDX. Was your garbage service cut back as part of the program as well?
Quote from: Staggerlee on September 17, 2012, 12:08:43 PM
Sounds like what we have here in PDX. Was your garbage service cut back as part of the program as well?
Not yet, but they're talking about it. That'll actually piss me off if my bill doesn't go down.
Quote from: ducatiz on September 17, 2012, 11:46:34 AM
Seattle has about 700k people. Manhattan alone has over 4 million in an area bout one quarter the area of Seattle. Also, new yorkers have little use for lawn clipping g pickups.... :)
So what, you missed the point. Making people put recyclable material in a plastic bag is stupid. It can and is being done simpler and more effective in other areas. No reason NYC can't follow. Who cares if they don't need yard waste service...then don't offer it..even simpler. I was just describing how it's done here. The Seattle area has 3.5 million people...it isn't just Seattle p.roper that does it.
Quote from: Triple J on September 17, 2012, 01:11:45 PM
Not yet, but they're talking about it. That'll actually piss me off if my bill doesn't go down.
So what, you missed the point. Making people put recyclable material in a plastic bag is stupid. It can and is being done simpler and more effective in other areas. No reason NYC can't follow. Who cares if they don't need yard waste service...then don't offer it..even simpler. I was just describing how it's done here. The Seattle area has 3.5 million people...it isn't just Seattle p.roper that does it.
That's just part of the problem. NYC has no street space for bins. You have bins that sit on the street and get emptied. In NYC the trash is bagged and stacked on the morning of pickup which for my building usually began around 2 am and ended around 3am. That's right. It took a whole hour. The pile of bags was around 10 ft high and 30 to 40 feet of sidewalk. It was usually 2 or 3 trucks.
New buildings are required to have a truck bay so the garbage truck can back in but the majority of the old high rises do not. My building was constructed in 1918 and is 15 storeys with 20 to 30 apartments per floor.
well I've heard that NYC wants to ban salt all together ... [bang] put your stuff into little plastic bag's, don't do this , don't do that , don't .....
well.... you will just have to come to Canada ;D we have hokey here [thumbsup] (well when there not in lockout [bang] :'( )
Quote from: ducatiz on September 17, 2012, 01:20:11 PM
That's just part of the problem. NYC has no street space for bins. You have bins that sit on the street and get emptied. In NYC the trash is bagged and stacked on the morning of pickup which for my building usually began around 2 am and ended around 3am. That's right. It took a whole hour. The pile of bags was around 10 ft high and 30 to 40 feet of sidewalk. It was usually 2 or 3 trucks.
Ya, I've seen the huge piles of garbage in NYC. [puke]
The clear plastic bags sound reasonable for that situation. It sounded to me like NYC makes everyone use the bags though, regardless of situation. If so, then it is a dumb policy.
i dont know what they are trying to achieve with policy. Everyone here is trying to make a policy to try and make things better but the reality of it is that most people just dont give a rats ass.
When you put trash out for apartment buildings, there are cars in the way of the people who drag them over teh hoods to get it onto a garbage truck.
for an apartment building they are in black bags and clear bags. god forbid you accidently piled a clear bag on a trash bag. thats an automatic $125 fine for mixing up the garbage (Most grabage men are straight up blind and retarded and cant tell the difference so its up to the landlord to make sure they are separated).
If you put a 8 apartment building, you would need twice as many bins to cover their plastic containers. Most buildings have a small 8x4foot area that holds ALL the garbage and you are liable to keep it clean ($25 fine otherwise). What ive done is install 8 foot sheet metal covering the area so you cant look inside from the streets. It looks like crap but you save about $150 a month in fines.
If you had 16 bins in that area, you would have no space to stack the bags. Stacking 16 bags is easier than 16 bins.
Oh and lets not talk about the recycling hobos...oh you dont know who they are? They are like coons that go into your recyclables and toss everything around for you. They remove all the recycable containers, (soda cans, bottles and such have 5cent refund for recycling). So most of the time they are like oysters who come and clean your tank for you! Of course they never close up the garbage so you have to retie everything.
its almost like a recycling enzyme of a human being.
They need to make garbage bins with 3 slots in them and mandate that all residents buy them (or they can give them out for free) so they are presorted in the apartments.
great now i sound like a real nyc forcing someone to do something. while im at it. I'm going to ban schools from buying new text books for the same subject every year.
Quote from: He Man on September 17, 2012, 03:20:46 PM
i dont know what they are trying to achieve with policy. Everyone here is trying to make a policy to try and make things better but the reality of it is that most people just dont give a rats ass.
When you put trash out for apartment buildings, there are cars in the way of the people who drag them over teh hoods to get it onto a garbage truck.
for an apartment building they are in black bags and clear bags. god forbid you accidently piled a clear bag on a trash bag. thats an automatic $125 fine for mixing up the garbage (Most grabage men are straight up blind and retarded and cant tell the difference so its up to the landlord to make sure they are separated).
If you put a 8 apartment building, you would need twice as many bins to cover their plastic containers. Most buildings have a small 8x4foot area that holds ALL the garbage and you are liable to keep it clean ($25 fine otherwise). What ive done is install 8 foot sheet metal covering the area so you cant look inside from the streets. It looks like crap but you save about $150 a month in fines.
If you had 16 bins in that area, you would have no space to stack the bags. Stacking 16 bags is easier than 16 bins.
Oh and lets not talk about the recycling hobos...oh you dont know who they are? They are like coons that go into your recyclables and toss everything around for you. They remove all the recycable containers, (soda cans, bottles and such have 5cent refund for recycling). So most of the time they are like oysters who come and clean your tank for you! Of course they never close up the garbage so you have to retie everything.
its almost like a recycling enzyme of a human being.
They need to make garbage bins with 3 slots in them and mandate that all residents buy them (or they can give them out for free) so they are presorted in the apartments.
great now i sound like a real nyc forcing someone to do something. while im at it. I'm going to ban schools from buying new text books for the same subject every year.
I think we are up on the recycling hobos.
I had garbage men drag it over my freshly painted custom trunk...
I remember a few years back when medical waste and hypodermic needles were washing up on the beaches in Brooklyn and Long Island
the trash barges were supposed to haul the garbage several miles off shore before dumping it (I think they were trying to create an artificial Staten Island)
turns out they were steadily unloading the trash as they headed out to sea .....once they cleared the harbor
and much of it was washing up
NYC is a shit hole of epic proportions..... and equally epic pretensions
the mayor is an arrogant fop with some weird conceits that he can rule as a royal...see "divine right"
more worthy of the Court of King Louie than of a modern city
when I depart this awful awful area I will take a photo of the skyline in my rearview mirror, blow-it up and frame it
I will miss the Deli's and that is about all
Quote from: RAT900 on September 20, 2012, 12:32:56 AM......the trash barges were supposed to haul the garbage several miles off shore before dumping it......
Seriously??? :o NYC
just dumps it's garbage in the sea?? :o
Quote from: RAT900 on September 20, 2012, 12:32:56 AM
I remember a few years back when medical waste and hypodermic needles were washing up on the beaches in Brooklyn and Long Island
the trash barges were supposed to haul the garbage several miles off shore before dumping it (I think they were trying to create an artificial Staten Island)
turns out they were steadily unloading the trash as they headed out to sea .....once they cleared the harbor
and much of it was washing up
NYC is a shit hole of epic proportions..... and equally epic pretensions
the mayor is an arrogant fop with some weird conceits that he can rule as a royal...see "divine right"
more worthy of the Court of King Louie than of a modern city
when I depart this awful awful area I will take a photo of the skyline in my rearview mirror, blow-it up and frame it
I will miss the Deli's and that is about all
We can do without the political commentary...TYVM
Quote from: ungeheuer on September 20, 2012, 02:44:50 AM
Seriously??? :o NYC just dumps it's garbage in the sea?? :o
they used to. now it is taken to landfills.
Quote from: ducatiz on September 20, 2012, 05:33:10 AM
they used to. now it is taken to landfills.
Yes ocean dumping was an abomination to God....after all isn't that why the Creator gave us New Jersey and Staten Island?
It was taken about 25miles out to sea for many many years but i believe federal regulations (or local codes not sure which) stopped it.
thats where land dumps in State Island came from. And then we start selling our trash to jersey, unforuntely the outcome of that was many people became ill and the TV show jersey shore was made as a mockery of the event. sad really. ;D
NYC wasn't the only one who dumped it at sea. any city near the ocean used to do it until it became illegal. this city is just REALLY old. if a seimic event of 5 came around, 85% of the city would be destroyed and leveled since there are no seismic codes back then.
We all know it actually might happen with the recent quakes. 125th street is an inactive fault, but thats just by definition. nothing makes it inactive except for lack of activity.
Quote from: rgramjet on September 16, 2012, 01:30:57 PM
The way I see it, you have 3 options, otherwise suffer.
A. Move to Colorado.
B. Move to Colorado
C. All of the above.
Yes, this ^
[thumbsup]
Tried getting my wife to move there.. said doesn't it snow... colorado will be one of the places left standing when the SHTF
Quote from: cokey on September 20, 2012, 02:09:21 PM
Tried getting my wife to move there.. said doesn't it snow... colorado will be one of the places left standing when the SHTF
I'm banking on Northeastern PA will be one of the other places [thumbsup]
I just hope the SHTF event will be at night or on the weekend or I'll have to crawl out of the shithole NYC to get back here :P
Quote from: cokey on September 20, 2012, 02:09:21 PM
Tried getting my wife to move there.. said doesn't it snow...
Should have told her, "Not everyday."
QuoteColorado will be one of the places left standing when the SHTF
Depends on the cause of "When the SHTF".
If its war related, we're going to be one of the first things to blow up.
We have NORAD, and quite a few other very important military implications in this high altitude state.
If the whole world floods, then we're pretty high up there, and I should have enough time to learn how to swim before I'm forced to become a human fish.
BC.
by human fish, do you mean a merman? Or do you mean a human that lives at sea. cause i thought one rquires freak genetic mutations over centuries and the other requires you to have a peg leg and a eye patch. :P
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